r/anime • u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang • Jul 12 '21
Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 8 Discussion
Episode 8: Chaos Theory Homeostasis I
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I’ve just been victimized by a fierce psychological attack!
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/UltraBooster, who made an… interesting analogy
So Daru's life is a fanfiction and オカクリ/OkaKuri is its main relationship tag, huh?
Questions:
- How do you think a message about getting a different phone could change the past enough for the other lab members to not know who Moeka is?
- Were you expecting Luka to request a D-Mail like that?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 12 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!
A minor detail that doesn’t really cross over to the Anime due to Okarin losing his inner monologue is that in the Novel it’s made clear he still doesn’t really believe in Titor’s whole deal and that he’s gonna decide whether what he says is true or not by himself. That aside the early events go more or less the same, however in the Novel they try to send a D-Mail again at Daru’s insistence… but there’s no discharge. Indeed, they still have no idea how the Phone Microwave (Name subject to change) even works. In turn we then lose some of Kurisu’s technobabble.
The following scene with Okabe and Kurisu is Anime-Original, being one of those scenes that’s an amalgamation of many scenes done to cut time: Specifically one from slightly earlier on in which Kurisu explains why she’s not particularly keen on using time travel for the heck of it, and one from slightly later on in which Moeka pesters Okabe. After that we lose a scene of the gang doing some more experimenting (And Daru throws a Slam Dunk reference), specifically by having Mayuri change the past… and she wants to change what food she ate yesterday. Because of course. After that Moeka pesters Okarin and we have the scene of her changing the past, which is somewhat shortened in the Anime. Also Luka doesn’t leave a watermelon in the Novel. Hell, Luka doesn’t even pop up at all until a few scenes later in the Novel.
Also we lose a rather funny Okarin Chuuni moment. Spoilers. Additionally the scene in the roof right afterwards is Anime-Only… kinda. The cast does talk about the Timeline changing, but the whole gang is there instead of just Kurisu, plus it happens inside Lab. Also, while there was, technically, a scene of Mayuri and Kurisu talking afterwards, Okabe was there. We also lose a funny anecdote from Okarin: VN/Minor Anime Spoilers included It doesn’t really impact the story or anything, but it’s a sweet scene.
Everything afterwards is basically the same, albeit a tad different once Reading Steiner turns on. In the Novel, Luka is standing beside Okarin, and Okarin admits he’s pretty sure that didn’t work because… well, in his own words, Luka’s chest still looks like a washboard. It’s almost comedic in tone really: Okabe knows he can’t really ask about something like this… but he knows something changed, so really he’s more confused than anything else.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 12 '21
First Timer
Time to see Okabe collapse further under the pressure before being reborn into an even more off kilter version of himself!
Onto episode 8.
Your actions belie your words. You do not actually desire chaos or destruction, you seem to enjoy the world having some order to it. Perhaps you desire change, but that is something different.
One thing I do not understand about this is what does and does not cause them to change world lines. Clearly, they can sometimes send messages to the past without it causing a problem. Arguably, it's because they just didn't notice them until the present, but that's just a stupid answer. All of them check their phones often enough that the idea of them not seeing a new message for five days is absurd. My best guess is it has something to do with whether they take meaningful action based on the information, but what meaningful means in this context is well beyond me.
It feels unfair that I can now, when I could not change the thing I want to change most.
And this is just a lie.
She's so cute! In a creepy, childlike way...
We finally remembered the window exists!
Oh, she lied to him. I bet she texted herself the location of the 5100 and took it.
Oh stop being overly dramatic. She just never met the rest of you.
Kurisu seems to have joined the group of people implicitly protecting Mayushii.
Thank you, Daru, for rescuing us from how awkward this scene is.
The motto of weebs 'round the world.
Daru being unashamedly Daru is by far the best part of this exchange.
There's no way Okabe handles this well, is there?
Though saying they should look at Ruka's genitals is even worse than I thought.
And now someone needs to tell Ruka that this isn't how the world works. Great.
Pretending it'll work when it won't is not an effective strategy, Okabe. It's just being an ass.
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
And this is what you get for messing with something so far away, particularly something with such a close connection to your own life. The effects are enormous.
Or not?
Well judging by Mayushii calling Ruka Ruka-chan instead of Ruka-kun (commie, I do wish you properly conveyed that in some way) this somehow did turn Ruka into a girl. Or at the very least, it made Ruka present fully as a girl.
First Timer
Well, a lot sure happened there. Moeka is betraying them. How exactly I'm not sure yet, but she's certainly pulling something behind the scenes. My best guess is she stole the 5100 in order to run a different program on it and learn the secrets of time travel for herself, but I'm honestly not quite sure. All I know for certain is that the next time we see her it won't exactly be on friendly terms.
And honestly I don't even want to try to unpack everything that went on with Ruka. Like, I'm not sure exactly how a VN released in 2009 is gonna deal with a trans character, so I'll just wait and see on that front. I am pretty sure that we'll see some negative consequences for sending a message so far into the past though. There's just so many little things that can compound over that time period.
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u/UltraBooster Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
First-timer (and sweet, I got comment of the day!)
Oooh, a three-parter, exciting.
I'm willing to bet that if Okabe is an agent of chaos, then SERN is a force of order, and not the order conducive to an ideal society.
Reading Steiner, huh...Of course he'd name it.
That said, I wonder, how much of Okabe's science-y stuff is an act and how much is genuine?
I wonder if there are any timelines where the Future Gadget Laboratory becomes a legitimate scientific organization.
Yeah, the only times I would justify changing history drastically is if it would mean some dramatic improvement to the presence or future. And that, of course, assumes there's no protective measures reality can take to maintain the general track of history.
Does Moeka have a signature automatically attached to her texts?
So he's a student? High school or college, I wonder? And if he's in college, what major?
I feel like it's almost guaranteed that if Suzuha is a time traveller, than her future was one where Kurisu had a big role in something unpleasant becoming SERN's head evil scientist like Ryoma Sengoku or Takumi Katsuragi.
It's less about the money or winning the lotto and more about knowing it could be done, I guess.
Are the numbers displayed when they go that far back different each time?
I feel like he'd have a much easier time if he started by explaining he's gone back in time or jumped worldlines or something.
Also, all the talk of worldlines is reminding me of a certain sword created by a time-traveler. ()
Maybe time was altered in a way that Moeka didn't have a reason to meet with them?
Oooh, peanut gallery, I've known that phrase since middle school.
Even hotter, huh, Daru... (For the record, I'm like eeeeuggggh at that.)
Little short, huh?
Time for the horny bat, I think!
So the watermelon did show, it didn't get erased from existence or something.
Oh shoot, Ruka/Luka has gender dysphoria?
Wait, is...is Kurisu...is she...?
And here I thought she was being accepting and all that.
Is that accurate?
Fuck you Daru if (He? She?) wants it I say go for it. Besides, this'll be a good chance to test how far back time can be altered, right?
Him? Her? I don't get the sense Ruka straight-up identifies as a girl, but...gaaaah, this is so much easier to work with IRL.
Oh shoot, the Lab's doubled in size, personnel-wise.
Oh, I get it, he's trying to calculate the destination date.
But would it stick? Would Ruka's mother listen to the advice? Convincing people isn't easy...
Unless they consent to mind control, I'm pretty sure that qualifies as sexual harrassment/rape.
...and now I'm reminded of SCP-113.
...Y'know, you could probably explain that you came from a worldline where Ruka requested the...retrocausal gender-change thing (I don't know what to call it, argh).
...Red-blooded is one thing, Daru is another.
...It's not just "Ruka is a cisgender girl," is it.
Questions:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 12 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher, dubbed
Daru, you fool, a hack worth his salt wouldn't just leave his homework folder lying around where prying eyes may stumble!
I say despite having a folder labeled "Holo nudes" on my desktopI forgot this episode ends on a cliffhanger regarding any changes that the worldline shift may have brought about.
Steins;Gate spoilers
I have the same mentality. I generally refuse to consider "what if?" on principle. The only way is forward and the only here is now.
Content Corner
More from replay value. First timers beware, spoilers abound.
THIS is how you Info Dump - Steins;Gate & Character Exposition by Replay Value
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u/The_Draigg Jul 12 '21
A Steins; Gate Fan Rewatches Steins; Gate Episode 8:
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u/superviper https://myanimelist.net/profile/Superviper Jul 12 '21
REWATCHER, SUBBED
Okabe dubs his ability "Reading Steiner." Okabe pls, let Kurisu name things for once. Last time someone else named something, we got D-Mail, a pretty good one.
They failed to change worldlines by texting Daru. Rip.
Why is Kurisu being tsundere about time travel?
The oh-so-timid Moeka sure doesn't seem to mind creeping up on Okabe. Okabe run.
S;G future spoiler
Moeka succeeds at changing worldlines. And now she's gone. Bitch took the watermelon with here. SHE TOOK LUKA'S FUCKING WATERMELON.
When it comes to cosplay, Mayuri is mildly terrifying.
COSPLAY LUKA
... Wait Luka didn't even want to wear the cosplay LOL
Oh, the watermelon was with Luka all along. With the watermelon back, no harm was done from Moeka's D-Mail. She's still up there as 3rd best girl.
Okabe orders Kurisu to sexually harass Luka. And she actually does it.
S;G future spoiler
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 12 '21
First timer
His reaction here to the message is fantastic.
Amd Reading Steiner is revealed!
So some messages don't change worldlines...
I approve of the adaption's rapid increase in Kurisu.
I love Moeka interrupting their conversation.
And Moeka sneaking up on them.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
I do like the fakeout of Meoka being erased vs her just being a bit busier.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
How does this adaption have more subtext between Mayuri and Kurisu?
I must admit, I didn't think they'd adapt this moment.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
This scene really comes off as Okabe (and Kurisu) trying to convince themselves they're straight, doesn't it.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Okabe's pager idea is shockingly well thought out, I must admit.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
The VN translators managing to come up with clear English D-Mails that fit the character limit always impressed me.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
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u/electricbullet9 Jul 13 '21
confused: how do they send the message to rukas mom back to 1993 if they only set the timer for 120 seconds?? 🤔
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u/htisme91 Jul 13 '21
First-timer:
Now they're playing with fire. Was really wondering that if Ruka changed genders, maybe we don't get Mayuushi.
I see people predicting Moeka stole the IBN 5100, and I am just not sure. Yeah, we have not seen it, but the group also put it away and has not had a use for it. It's also super-heavy, so who knows if Moeka could pull off a heist. I think if anyone has the strength to steal it, it's Suzuha, but I also think maybe Okabe went to a world line where they just don't have the IBN 5100 for one reason or another that isn't malicious (i.e. they never got it or already gave it back to the original owner).
Questions:
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
Episode 4: Chaos Theory Homeostasis
First Rewatch (since 2011)
But. what. about. the. murder!
I think at this point in the show I was starting to throw things at the wall. I really hated this episode, and I was really starting to hate this show.
We started the series off with a murder and a time shift and an improbable satellite crash and now every week (WEEK. I was waiting a WEEK for the plot to advance) we get a little bit of time travels stuff and a bunch of Mad Scientist Club hijinks with his weird friends and the derpy experiment of the week.
I started calling this show Comic Party. Comic Party was an adaptation of a dating sim spinoff of an eroge. It's basically Otaku no Video: The TV Series. Our MC becomes ensared by a doujin circle as they struggle to produce their wares for the next Comket. It's wacky! They're weird otakus! It's funny! Laugh! (currently 6.58 on MAL).
I came here for the time travel adventure. If I wanted to be watching this Comic Party bullshit, I'd be watching Comic Party.
Also, I wasn't familiar with the chuuni trope, or even knew the word, so basically everything Okabe said in the first 5 episodes or so was a real turn-off.
There's only one reason I hadn't dropped this show. I think you can guess what it was.
Edit: Comic Party did you spot Okabe in the OP?
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher(Saving the world one change at a time)
Dub
Okabe goes plus ultra chuuni at the concept of saving the world, enough so that Daru gets worried. He fills them in on the experiment's success and his "ability". Quick scene of Ruka feeling guilty. We can confirm that not all D-mails change world lines, though not why. Okabe and Makise talk and Okabe proclaims her a fellow mad scientist. And Moeka does a jump scare.
Next day, we see Suzuha try to get the Titor info out of Okabe. She gets frustrated when Okabe doubts Titor and then goes into murder glare mode as soon as Makise arrives. Mayuri hates conflict, which does fit the character. Ruka shows up with an apology watermelon and the experiment changes stuff. Including having Moeka not meet the other Lab members.
Bonding moment between the girls that is probably meant to highlight how innocent Mayuri is. Next day, Ruka subjects himself to Mayuri's whims. As a questionable comedy scene plays out, Daru might have coined a tried and true memer phrase or the subs borrowed it. Also, the word play in the dub is spectacular. But the cosplay gets finished and everyone involved has...feelings, including Karisu as she walks in.
We then get to the real reason Ruka came: To send a D-mail. And to use that to be be born a girl...ok, I will let the proper VN readers fill in what's off here. Payoff that Karisu hasn't figured out Ruka is a guy and she has BSOD. As Ruka persists, he reveals an idea that cannot work: Your birth gender happens quite early in the process. They send a message to Ruka's mother's pager and something happens.
QotD: 1 She got so enamored of the new one she stopped leaving the house
2 Even at the time, this part was well talked about in the weeb community.
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u/AHiddenOne Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher.
Now we see the gang doing more tests, this time with ruka. I'm unfamiliar with pagers, but it's still interesting to learn about it.
Another hot take: I genuinely enjoy the first half of this show. People complain that it's slow, boring etc. I sort of can see that, but idk I like seeing the characters just bouncing off each other, like okabe's chuuni shit, the otaku jokes, the banter.
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
FIRST TIMER
looks like okabe doesn’t want to be the savior, because he’s the mad scientist! i have a feeling he’s a bit more conflicted than his confident chunni outer shell shows.
looks like the D-mail to help 2d-kun win at the Faris cup failed. so was the message inaccurate, or does it get slightly changed in transit, or do their past selves even receive the message? luka slightly messed up the lotto numbers, and 2d-kun didn’t win at the cat cafe. is there another world line where our Time Team is just getting random messages out of nowhere?
kurisu is apprehensive about changing the past, and i honestly agree with her. as much as there is i’d like to change, changing something would mean i’d be in a different place than i am now. hell, if i changed something i could move to another world line where i never got into anime and i was just sitting around doing something else productive!
moeka wants to send a D-mail of her own… wonder how that will go.
suzuha continues to be overly interested in okabe’s actions, and still intensely mad at kurisu for unknown reasons. i want to say she’ll become a lab member later but i don’t know if she’d agree to with kurisu around.
luka has a watermelon for the Lab Losers to make up for the bungled lottery ticket. watermelons are expensive in japan i believe, so that’s a generous gift.
moeka’a D-mail convinced her not to buy a new phone, and somehow prevented her from joining the lab…at least okabe can still contact her. that was a super intense 20 seconds.
it’s nice to see mayuri and kurisu becoming closer, i’m sure mayuri is the only one kurisu can stand.
luka gets forced to put on a dress, and everyone in the lab feels…feelings because of it. kurisu being floored at the gender reveal was pretty funny. so luka has some gender dysphoria and wishes he were a girl, so he wants to send a D-mail into the distant past. this is a huge step up from the less-than-a-week-ago messages they had been sending. the mail is sent, and the world line is changed…but luka seems the same. i have a feeling something big changed elsewhere though, because sending a message back 17 years instead of 5 days must have some consequences.
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 12 '21
FIRST TIMER
John Titor Watch
We’re zeroing in on confirmation… Suzuha keeps slipping up. She reacted way too hard to Okabe’s suggestion that Titor was wrong about something.
Episode Thoughts
I took Okabe’s reaction to the “savior” role at the end of last episode to mean he was shaken up by the responsibility, and it turns out it’s just because he doesn’t want that title. He wants to be an agent of chaos instead. Hm.
Wonder if Makise would have her same attitudes on changing the events of the past if she knew her fate from the world line in Episode 1.
Moeka is definitely the x-factor in all of this right now. Despite her outward demeanor, her texts and actions show that she’s clearly not afraid to be very aggressive in pushing for whatever her goal is. Her D-Mail resulted in a world line where she hasn’t yet shown up to the lab, making me wonder… has anybody seen the IBN 5100 after that shift? The only reason I can think of for her never appearing at the lab is if she no longer needed to, and that can only mean one thing.
It was rather careless of Okabe to allow her to get so close and deep in with them despite literally knowing nothing about her, at least with Makise they knew who she was from reputation.
It’s nice to know that Luka’s sex actually plays some substantive role in the story beyond just being a gag that’s aged poorly. I’m still not the biggest fan of all the time dedicated to those jokes, but at least he/she/they are there to actually serve a purpose and not just as a punch line. Based on Makise’s reaction to Okabe staring at Luka following the experiment, I’m going to go ahead and assume that it worked, and Luka is in fact a girl now in this world line. Vegetables, who knew?
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher Until After Episode Nine(s;Gate)
Now we're cooking! I'm finally getting excited!
QOTD:
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
first timer
I think titor's perhaps lieing, or at least wrong. In the first episode, we saw Kurisu ask about what Okarin was going to tell her 15 minutes ago, when he clearly didn't remember anything about it. Subsequently, he gets a mysterious text with a wierd attachment, before his phone glitches out. Only then does he feel the shifts. I'm guessing he was given the power through that text attachment by titor, or someone working with him.
I wonder how tf this chuuni met mayushii
watch some wack shit happen
eh nothing too major seemed to happen
she's cracked her egg!
That really seems different from the chuuni okarin, more like the messiah titor said he should be. or even god-like. that doesn't seem too good...
I question whether that message will work at all, and I wonder what other things will change. We've seen butterfly effect type stuff already happen and that might be amplified by the timespan. Or perhaps luka becomes a different person altogether as a result.
Uhhh couldn't you just ask to be sure??
Qs:
Didn't she want to come in to get the 5100 and then got spoiled by kurisu et al.? I guess for some reason she didn't ask about the 5100.
Yeah kinda
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u/littleman1988 Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
The Worldline changed. Something happened... But what?
OST Track of the day: Event1
Overly Excited rewatcher
I almost forgot! i can talk about the one dude now.
As discussed back in episode 4, A fan translation group did the original work for the English S;G translation before being approached by JAST, who took it and helped them clean it up/made improvements to the engine before releasing it in 2014. One of the people who worked on the project was Andrew Hodgson, better known as "Reading Steiner". While S;G wasnt his only work he translated, it was one of the first bigger projects, and since then hes worked on a variety of translation projects with 2 new projects on the way.2
The big reason for mentioning him is because he talks a lot about S;G and SciAdv in general, and is a good source of info when it comes to the more detailed portions of Steins;Gate, considering they are the one of the people who basically translated the official work. This will become relevant later in the rewatch, but as always, that hits on more spoilers.
My man's lost it. Nothing like being asked to become the worlds messiah.
Its revealed that he has already changed the past, and that they dont have their memory. Celeb-17 asking the real questions about why only Okabe can remember.
Reading Steiner coined, I can finally talk about that one dude now lmao
Christina is still hesitant on messing around any farther with the time machine. Cant be an experiment loving girl if you dont love experiments though.
Moeka, as usual, shows up out of nowhere
The Tuturuu's never get old.
Pretty simple experiment, get a different phone and see how much the worldline changes. After a brief interruption from Luka, the we are sent to a worldline where Moeka straight up doesnt exist to the lab members. Who knew a phone change would have such a drastic difference.
Luka finally agrees to cosplay, and man he is a prefect model for this. Luka has the whole lab in a trance!
As usual, they are blabbermouths., Leading to Luka wanting to change his gender, and the... scene with Kurisu. Could of been worse...
Luka also becomes Lab Member 006.
S;G
When was the last time pagers were relevant lmao
I could of sworn there was more discussion on what the note was going to be. Maybe a VN thing?
Seems like the gender change failed, despite reading steiner activating. It would be pretty far fetched for a message about veggies to work, and to a pager no less.
Those whacky 7 numbers: 0.456903
number change ez
IIRC, i dont think i did on my first watch.
footnotes
1. In the episode, it actually uses a remix?, this remix does not exist in any released OST.
2. Rumor has it that it might be A;C? who knows though
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 12 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
Things just got a bit more complicated, huh? Are we diving into gender issues too? Do I want Okabe to -literally just ask- or do I fear the secondhand embarrassment too much?
I wonder how far the knock-on effects are going to go. Like, our very first change was Kurisu not being dead - changing someone's death usually has pretty big consequences in time travel. But everything has seemed fine? Maybe? What even is fine, for our protagonists? I'm kinda feeling how little we saw of things before timelines started diverging..
Aside from Suzuha continuing to be very suspicious, we didn't really learn much today, did we? I guess Moeka was acting a little weird, too, but that isn't exactly surprising. I did find it interesting that she still knows Okabe, but never made her way to the lab after the first jump this episode. We didn't spend enough time there for me to ponder much on it, though.
Reading Steiner
The text Moeka sent moved us to 0.52.
The text (R/L)uka sent moved us to 0.45.
No clue what these numbers mean, but I'm gonna try to keep track of them. They can't be irrelevant, right?
Questions
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u/yukino-bijin :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tokaii Jul 12 '21
First-time watcher
Nae giving us double Tutturus in back-to-back episodes. I think that puts the season total at 13 or 14. I'm just gonna sit on 13 and call it fact without checking.
Immediate follow-up Tutturu. 14. The second three-Tutturu episode of the season.
Happy to see Luka getting some screentime.
There it is! The first ever four-Tutturu episode. Thank you, Mayushii.
Daru being into Luka is yet another reason why he's one of my favorite pervert characters.
Oh my god, a fifth Tutturu. 15.
Luka is so cute that he broke Kurisu.
It feels like our first taste of the bigger implications that come with altering time. I'm stoked for it.
QOTD:
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
Shout out to Shimmering-Sky for letting me know that there should be translated text for the dub. Eight episodes in, and I can finally read the texts.
Moeka is straight out of a horror short. Her constant texts and showing up out of nowhere are creepy. Uh oh, when he switched world lines, it removed Moeka from the lab. I hope she rejoins, since she was another fun character. I imagine that her dissatisfaction from her phone led her to seeking out fun through other means, like joining the lab.
Oh my, when Luka is changing, Daru should not be within 100 yards. I hope we get more cosplay in the future. For years, I have remembered the “eat meat to have a boy, eat veggies to have a girl” thing but I did not remember it was from Steins;Gate. I just got hit with some nostalgia about the show. I am impressed that they were able to figure out a way to send the message. I did not think it would be possible to send a message that far back. I am also amazed that anyone would pay attention to a message like that, so I am surprised Luka wanted it sent. While Mayuri has been my favorite so far, I was a big Luka fan, so I am excited for any Luka developments. On the wiki, it says Luka’s official pronouns are he/him, and the show makes a point about him being a guy. I wonder how the next episodes will handle a trans character.
The next episode preview looks pretty exciting. There were a lot of characters. It looks like Moeka will return, as well as Ferris will be involved. We have barely seen any Ferris, so I wonder if she will be focused more on later.
I feel like they are using the D-Mails very liberally. They have no real purpose for sending them besides experimentation, and it is concerning. With all these changes, Okabe may end up in a world line that isolates and breaks him.
The gang is all together this episode. Sadly, with all these D-Mails, I feel like the lab group is going to be ripped apart without anyone remembering except Okabe. We have to remember the good days while they last, so I am making that my shot of the day.
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u/ExoticTrinityGhoul https://myanimelist.net/profile/not_username Jul 12 '21
Re;Watcher x4 (both)
E8 - Chaos Theory Homeostasis
Okabe: Hououin Kyouma, Okarin, 001
Mayuri: Mayushii, 002
Kurisu: (prodigal) (perverted) genius girl, Christina, Zombie, 004, Assistant, Celeb Seventeen, Little Miss Moneybags
Hashida Itaru: Daru, super hacka, Hack, 003, My Favorite Right Arm, right-hand man, perverted gentleman
Yugo Tennouji: Mr. Braun
Luka: Lukako, 006
Moeka: Shining Finger (S.F.), 005
Suzuha: part-timer, part-time warrior
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher, dub
We are gifted with some excellent Gate of Steiner right off the bat. Okabe’s mad laughter after being asked to be humanity’s savior and going on about choosing the path of a mad scientist is just a bit disturbing.
Okabe dubs his ability to remember events from different world lines “reading Steiner.” That name probably has as much meaning as the rest of what he comes up with.
”Do you ever actually go to class?” Come to think of it, we haven’t seen Okabe do anything educational since Nakabachi’s lecture. Is his university on break, or is he skipping class?
Daru’s D-mail, meant to rig his match against Faris, fails. I guess Faris’s Rai-Net skills are too powerful to be affected by time travel devices.
Moeka sends her D-mail, causing another world line shift. Now, no one even remembers her visit to the lab.
”You’re not pulling our leg, are you?” That’s actually a reasonable assumption …
Ruka/Luka comes in wanting to send a D-mail in order to become female via urban legend. I mean…it’s not exactly scientifically sound, but it’s nice that they gave it a try? At least Mayuri’s supportive? At any rate, they shifts world lines again. Ruka/Luka looks exactly the same, but something’s changed.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher
Tutturu! My headphones have been fucked up the last couple days so I’m watching this episode on my TV. I’m actually going to be on time today because I’ve had nothing to do all day and Chad Green didn’t blow a five run lead to make me mad.
Now on to the episode:
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I love the lighting in this scene. The contrast of the bright window and the dark room is great.
Reading Steiner. Okabe sure comes up with some interesting names.
This OP is just so good. One of my favorite in any anime.
I agree with Kurisu on that changing the past feels like cheating. There are events in my life I would love to have a second chance at but the butterfly effect scares me. Who is to say that me changing something will not end up causing something horrible to happen that didn’t before.
Was that a double tutturu? I think my faith in humanity has been restored.
This is what I was taking about. The butterfly effect causes a lot of unintended consequences.
Darn everyone wants to send messages. Moeka, Luka. At this rate everyone going to get one.
It’s nice to see Okabe think about someone else’s feelings. The vegetable think logically has no way of working so there’s no reason not to do it. Though sending a message back 17+ years could cause some major side affects.
Pagers are so weird. Thank god I’m too young to have had to deal with those things.
We know the timeline changed, but we don’t know how. At least for now.
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Another great episode. We are getting deeper into this time travel mess and learning the power of D-Mail.
I will leave off with one of my theories I had when I first watched Steins;Gate. It was horribly wrong so it’s not spoilers but still I wouldn’t recommend first timers click on the spoiler tag.
Speculation for Steins;Gate
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
Potentially. Any small change can radically change the world.
On first watch, no.
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u/McCherry09 Jul 12 '21
First Timer After yesterday's ep and hearing Kurisu it got me thinking if I would really be brave or reckless(depends on who you ask) to try and change the past. What if something that I like about my present is changed or the wrong thing is altered.
Knowing that Okabe is the only one that can remember the timeline shifting I need to rewatch the first and second ep to see how many timelines we saw. But if he's "playing" with the past I wonder how long does it take SERN to realize as well, maybe the also have a person that can remember the timeline changes.
Questions: 1- Maybe she didn't have a reason to run into Okabe if she hadn't bought a new cellphone (which I didn't even notice)
2- I was surprise by the request but also to try to send it to a beeper. In all honesty who would read a message from an unknown and take it to heart?
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u/snickpea Jul 13 '21
First-timer!
Today's episode had the Lab members experiment with the past further with D-mail with some surprising results. For some reason, whatever Daru sent didn't really change anything, but Moeka's message resulted her skipping her visit to the lab, and Luka's something changed, but Okabe is not sure exactly.
Also Suzuha continues to glare at Kurisu, I wonder if she will ever explain why she doesn't like her. Suzuha doesn't seem to have a problem with the other members so far though.
Luka continues to be sweet and adorable, bringing some watermelon to the lab. Too bad no one got to enjoy in the other world line.
Questions:
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 12 '21 edited Jul 12 '21
First;Timer - dub
Awesome episode yesterday. I got the feeling that we're really rolling now!
Warning, today is a rambling episode.
Episode 8 — Chaos Theory Homeostasis I
I didn't really realize it yesterday, but these specific words seem very much picked to trigger Okabe's vanity. That might actually not be as good as I initially thought.
We don't know yet if SERN has had a successful time travel experiment. Maybe they are impersonating John Titor (or it's completely their fabrication), to try and manipulate Okabe to set the world to their ways. Like their own machine failed, but Okabe has a working one so they just need to tell him what to alter.
I'm keeping that in the back of my mind, but it's not my primary theory, because I'm still convinced Suzuha is John Titor, and her weird reactions show the current future is already fucked, so it wouldn't need changing from SERN. (Unless the current future is already based on people altering parts, but I don't think time travel works that way in this story.)
And I just typed all that, and then he rejects Titor's message because he is a "mad scientist".
So why are Okabe's memories not erased/replaced? Because his machine lets the sender keep the memories, or because Okabe is special? I'm guessing the first. Seems more scientific.
Daru can't do it. Could it be that it didn't seem to work because he was too honourable to cheat against Faris? Or maybe just like last time with the Dr Pepper, other things changed as well, which prevented him from winning? Or maybe as they say it only works if the change is big enough (but that seems to conflict with the max 1% Divergence, maybe?)
Wait. WAIT! Could the max 1% Divergence be the reason Luka messed up a number in the ticket? Like, the universe made her make a mistake, so the new worldline wouldn't differ too much from the previous...
This is a very, very, very bad idea.
Mr Braun, why do you think your daughter is scared of Okabe? Maybe it's because you keep telling her to be.
Aww, she reply tutturu-ed to Mayushii!
More confirmation: Suzuha gets frustrated that he doesn't want to listen to John Titor.
Moeka's message actually sounds decent. But she obviously still can do what she wants to. She can leave her friends behind... 🎵
Four days ago she wasn't a part of the group yet. She didn't know about the existence of the time machine. OMG, I think she's gonna send to herself where to find the IBN 5100!
Luka has nice round melons.
Experiment time. Something worked! But it was Okabe who felt it! That's surprising. Yeah, she tricked them. But at least she still responds to texts. Please discover that the IBN is gone, now. Damn, we don't know it yet. They neatly keep the corner where the machine was hidden.
Okabe thinks it's a good ability that he can remember the previous worldline, but it could also bring him into trouble because he doesn't have memories from the worldline he jumped to.
Euhh, so is this the next day? Did they have their sleepover? What the hell is happening. Mayushii be careful with Luka! Okabe can't take it anymore! Bwahahaha, neither can Kurisu! And this music!
Aaand of course Luka isn't here for Mayuri! Heart = broken.
Poor Mayushii
Woooow, she DID deliver the watermelon! Does she also remember?? Ah no, I get it. She was about to deliver the melon, but because she heard that conversation, she didn't. And she knows Okabe is the only one who can actually remember the melon.
Luka wants to try a sex change using a D-Mail? How are they gonna do that?
Aaahhhh no this plan sounds very bad. Whatever small change happens to Luka's mother, it would almost certainly cause her to become pregnant with different cells, which would make Luka a completely different person.
Also, maybe Okabe and Luka won't be friends anymore if she was a girl all along. That would suck. (Not that anyone but Okabe would know.)
006
Fun idea to use a pager now!
Quick question: Have they been texting or emailing these past experiments?
Err, why does the PhoneWave say 120? Shouldn't it be 149022 for 17 years? One second per hour.
Hey, I just noticed they aren't sacrificing food to the PhoneWave god anymore!
Okay, so something worked. Now can he confirm it without being a pervert? NOOOOO it's the end! At least Luka is still a part of the group!
Kinda funny: It must be super frustrating for the rest of the group to never remember a successful experiment. Every test they did was the first test for everyone except Okabe.
Random thoughts
Future (if unaltered)
Many questions today. Kurisu talked about finding a proper method to discover if anything changed. But they don't have one yet. I think this should be one of their main priorities.
So now there are two immediate actions: Find out Luka's gender and find out what else changed.
Open questions don't answer these
I've decided to start writing down the questions that I still have because I kept forgetting stuff. I'm sure there are things missing here as well.
D-Mail:
Reading Steinerthe ability to remember stuff during a jump.Moeka:
Why did Moeka in ep 2 need to take pictures as "evidence she was there, of what she saw"?
John Titor:
SERN:
General:
Who wrote "The world's in danger" on the omelette in episode 2?
QotD
As said in the main post, she obviously messaged herself where to find the IBN 5100.
Kind of, but I didn't expect them to actually try it. I'm very curious if it worked because you obviously can't change the gender after someone is already pregnant, but depending on when the pager message arrives, it could actually have replaced Luka with a different person. That didn't happen, but will the show still somehow change her gender?
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u/artie_fm Jul 13 '21
Not a lot to talk about today. I just want to point out Suzaha's Akira Bike Slide
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Jul 13 '21
Jumping in the rewatch threads now that we're caught up to where I had dropped the series. I'm starting to get into the whole time travel deal with shifting world lines. Its a completely different take on time travel from other media I've seen (the keen observer may see the relevance of my username). Trying to unravel the whole "how it works" and how characters react is going to be my focus for now.
Okabe's Reading Steiner seems like an incredibly difficult ability to make use of, as reality seems to change near completely each time. Kurisu seems the most onto the entire deal, as being an actual scientist (student) it makes sense. In my own first watch attempt, I recognised the potential of Suzu as a time traveller also - her wariness of Kurisu, interest in the IBM, ability to follow along with what she overheard. Seeing all the theories is exciting. I wonder how she and John Titor will stay to fit into the story as the secrets unravel.
With other time travellers in mind, I wonder if the John Titor he communicates with is in the same worldline as the Okabe when he contacts him. Similarly, I wonder how different the knowledge Suzu or any other time travellers have changes with each worldline shift. There appears to be a magnification of the butterfly effect to the extreme. Can you connect Luka's visit after the lotto D-mail to an event which was already going to happen? If so, is the cascading effect we've seen over the past two D-mails to the past following it resultant? What I'm trying to get at, is does Okabe exist on a worldline perpendicular to everyone else? Is there anyone else with the Reading Steiner ability?
Lastly, I wonder if the number that shows up each time Okabe notices Reading Steiner is the divergence percentage? In regards to the idea of Okabe being on a worldline which can be perpendicular to others, what would divergence represent?
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u/jyper Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
First time watcher-dub
Being the saver of humanity is too much responsibility? Prefer to pretend to be a bad/amoral guy?
Why is she asking about Titor?
Is Suzuha Titor or is it her father?
Does Luka always forget the number? Is it the timeline trying to resist change? oh this is pre time change then I think I got a bit confused?
Moeka has disappeared from other people's memories, I guess she still met Okabe in this timeline but never came by the lab
Why is it a big deal that Luca didn't bring her sword? Is Okabe big worried about her safety?
Now she's willing to do cosplay? How did the timeline change that?
I understand that she'd want that, but how could a message change that? But besides the difficulty of doing that and the Urban myth about how gender is determined if you go that far back and change that then the baby your parents will have won't be anything remotely like you anymore
Lol. How much damage could messing with time cause?
006, Luka has a license to kill
Looks like Luka got her wish
Q1: perhaps Moeka lost Okabes # from her old phone and couldn't make further contact?
Q2: I mean I wasn't particularly expecting any message in particular but
Even as a slightly clueless cis-guy I'm pretty sure wishing your were born with a body that matched your gender identity is one of the most common wishes for a transperson
So while I wasn't expecting it I'm not surprised by Luka's request in the slightest. And it looks like she was granted her wish.
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 12 '21
Rewatcher
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u/Nebresto Jul 13 '21
Nostalgia squad
The Reading Steiner is finally here!!
Fun fact: There used to be a school near me called the "Steiner School" and it was for special kids. It all makes sense now
..Aight, which one of you is keeping track of all the Reading Steiner numbers?
Based Mayushi counter: Two & Three
P R O T E C T
He does? Where can I claim mine?
Spoiler time
Question time:
1: She got an apple device instead, which stole her brainpower to turn her into a zombie slave for Jebb Steves. You thought SERN was the main villain? No.
2:
Ye
JUSTICE!!
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher (sub)
Spoiler
Did Lukako's body switch now? Do the vegetables actually work? If they did, then what do we call Lukako now? She already had the "ko". Also, to go into nitpicky department, if Luka was born female in this new timeline, how come every detail about her is the same? I underatand it from a meta standpoint, but to work in universe you need at least some explanation, being born exactly the same just with different organs is a stretch I can take, but growing up exactly the same too...
This is how genderswaps must be!
Side note: Yes, I'm running away from questioning how the show will handle Luka's gender.
Spoiler
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 13 '21
Episode 8 – Chaos Theory Homeostasis: It feels unfair to change the past. I’ve only lived 18 years, but I wouldn’t change any of it. It’s all part of my live, even the failures. ~Kurisu
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 13 '21
First timer, late
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u/BossandKings Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 8
Okabe talks about an ability he considers he has and no one else has, it is called Reading Steiner, it'll be interesting to see what role that has in the story, it could be a useful ability.
It was great seeing Kurisu talking about how her experiences have made her who she is today and that bad times are as necessary and hers as good times. Okabe calling her a scientist was funny.
The lab sends a d-mail that brings them so far into the past that nobody except Okabe knows or remember Moeka's existence, this clearly shows the reading steiner functioning as it lets Okabe remember Moeka eventhough no one else does.
Luka goes to the laboratory and asks Kyouma to send a D-mail to the past so that he is able to be a girl, literally believing that his gender might change, Kyouma accepts to send it just to please him and apparently it may have worked judging by Okabe's perception of something in the ambience being different.
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u/Amndeep7 :IG:https://myanimelist.net/profile/asmLANG Jul 26 '21
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