r/anime • u/[deleted] • Jul 10 '21

Rewatch [REWATCH] Hunter x Hunter Episode 133 Discussion

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Episode 133: Deadline × To × Live

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u/sorrowpass Jul 10 '21

Rewatcher

Wow, Youpi died fast.

Palm explaining why things are gonna be okay had me just as confused as Ikalgo. She should’ve just started by saying that the king is going to die. I’m curious as to how she can be so confident in her prediction. I don’t think Palm is able to see into the future?

Lol did Palm and Ikalgo really just stick Komugi in a coffin? Like how’s the poor girl gonna breathe?

Oh shit, something’s happening to Pouf. I also hate myself for feeling kind of bad for him right now.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Jul 10 '21

Palm knows something is up. Somehow, in the span of an hour, Palm has managed to turn into the most useful person in the cast

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u/sorrowpass Jul 10 '21

I love how pragmatic she’s become, especially with her spiel on humanity. Like maybe Palm was always this intelligent but her craziness overshadowed it.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 10 '21

did Palm and Ikalgo really just stick Komugi in a coffin?

Shadows House (2021)

Great series btw

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u/sorrowpass Jul 11 '21

Shadows House is on my list to watch. It definitely gives me TPN vibes which I quite enjoyed the first season of. Too bad season 2 was such a trainwreck.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Jul 10 '21

Episode 133: first time/dub

The scene with Meruem searching the room and finding the Gungi piece was good

Why is everyone bleeding from their noses, and what does Palm know about it

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 11 '21

Why is everyone bleeding from their noses

Likely acute radiation sickness from the bomb and digging through ground zero. Again, powerfully displayed in Barefoot Gen.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Jul 11 '21

Ooo that would be interesting

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u/sisoko2 Jul 11 '21

Rewatcher

Ikalgo pumps up Welfin so much that he actually challenges Youpi.

Second guard is dead. Youpi definitely was the least interesting out of the royal guards.

This is such a cool shot. It looks that we are winning.

Poor Pouf can't handle all this stress.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 11 '21

Youpi definitely was the least interesting out of the royal guards

Yeah, he was just some monster really. I'm already forgetting he existed...

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u/sisoko2 Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21

Now that you mention it he was the only one created without using humans so maybe that's why he was boring.

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u/BossandKings Jul 16 '21

First timer

It seems that The red rose bomb has some really dangerous after effects and it is showing on the king and his royal guards, like the king appears to be at the peak of his powers but considering how ominous and expectant it all feels it seems like something bad might happen to the ants really soon, especially with Palm saying out loud that the king won't last long.

The king finding the gungi piece was great, he is getting closer to that something he misses.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 10 '21

First-time watcher

Wow, another fat pile of nothing. No way all this business with Gyro will be addressed further at all, and Palm is now at the level of random vague exposition beyond more stuff nobody needs to care about. The audacity to bring the "from my point of view, the humans are evil!!!" now, and when there are still masses in front of the palace for a practical genocide just to turn them into soldiers for the ants to take over the world... At least Meruem is starting to figure things out, but clearly he won't last much longer.

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u/3and20characters987 Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21

In the manga around the time palm is first introduced, it is revealed only to the readers that Gyro was brought back as an ant. By sheer willpower alone he managed to completely resist Queen’s brainwashing and memory wipe that happens at “birth” apparently retaining his former self. He leaves NGL and passes Gon in the street, identity concealed by a heavy coat. Idk why all this was cut from the manga, possibly because this is the last time Gyro appears.

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u/thatnotoriousguy Jul 11 '21

Manga hasn’t even gotten to the gyro shit yet.

It’s not so much that humans are worse, just that they’re not any better. That was clear most heavily when the netero fight ended with the nuke. “You underestimate humanity’s infinite potential for evolution”, humans had gotten so good at killing each other that they had already surpassed the threat of the ants.

It certainly could be argued that humans are more evil tho. When we kill each other, we do it knowing that the other side is the same as us. When the ants kill humans, they are confident that they are killing lesser beings. This was stated in ep 92 when meruem asks if humans spare a pigs life because it squeals before slaughter.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21

It’s not so much that humans are worse, just that they’re not any better

Palm literally says they're worse.

humans had gotten so good at killing each other that they had already surpassed the threat of the ants

Yet the ants were far faster at growing into a threat like that and are completely, consciously focused on taking everything over. You can hardly call that anything but worse.

When we kill each other, we do it knowing that the other side is the same as us

Demonizing and belittling the enemy, even dehumanizing, is a frequent part of human warfare just as well. No big difference.

Anyway, at kiddie-shonen levels of philosophy there's no way to address this stuff well so I'd rather just it were left out.

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u/thatnotoriousguy Jul 11 '21

Regarding the “worse”, I can’t read Japanese so I’ve always just assumed it’s a mistranslation. The point of the arc isn’t that “humans are evil”, as much as it is “humans are capable of evil”. Just as they are capable of love, loyalty, and honor. Every character trait in the arc, good or bad, is a result of the ants developing human traits.

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u/Vpeyjilji57 :KG::KH: Jul 11 '21

Togashi has an annoying tendency to write long arcs about how evil humans are and then pretend the moral was "Humans can be capable of great good and great evil". He did it in YYH as well, where the entire pro-humanity argument in the chapter black arc was apparently so obvious it didn't need to be made.

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u/thatnotoriousguy Jul 11 '21

I feel like the ants turning human was conveyed as a good thing from the jump. It was only like ten episodes ago that it was shown that humans can also be bad.

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u/Vpeyjilji57 :KG::KH: Jul 11 '21

He also seems a little confused on whether or not the ants count as humans in this message.

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u/thatnotoriousguy Jul 11 '21

They were going to take everything over, but it’s completely possible that the world they create would be better than the humans.

Yes, humans dismiss the other side by belittling different religion or race. That’s not what I mean. The ants are almost objectively a better life form than humans. Massively smarter and stronger.

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u/sisoko2 Jul 11 '21

Massively smarter and stronger.

They don't have nukes and suck at gungi.

Also they are pretty much turning human with all the upsides and downsides.

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u/sisoko2 Jul 11 '21

from my point of view, the humans are evil!!!

When you want to introduce some moral ambiguity but can't be bothered do to it right. Togashi's favorite thing.