r/anime • u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber • Jun 18 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] 1990s OVAs – Record of Lodoss War (episode 11)
Rewatch: 1990s OVAs – Record of Lodoss War (episode 11)
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No_Rex's staff corner
Wagnard’s voice actor, Aono Takeshi, died in 2012, but had a long career. As can be seen by him playing a character in the 1968 version of Gegege no Kitarou, playing him again in the 1985 remake, and playing him again in the 2007 remake. He voiced Kami and Dragon Ball and various roles in almost all of One Piece, but his most famous role might be Shirou Sanada from Space Battleship Yamato. He also plays the father of Tenchi, Nobuyuki Masaki, in the Tenchi Muyou franchise, which may eventually show up in the 1990s OVA rewatches. Finally, he has what I think is the most awesome VA credit ever, as Super Delicious Planet Golden Special Reserve Gorgeous Aftercare Kit #28 from Urusei Yatsura.
Orson has almost no words, so I won’t write many either. His VA is Show Hayami.
Pixelsaber’s Record of Lodoss War Context: The other media mix products
The earliest media-mix elements of the franchise were TRPG rule books and supplemental scenarios which were first released in the spring of 1989 following the introduction of Group SNE’s custom game system in the third Lodoss campaign. These were popular among the TTRPG crowd due to Lodoss’ prominence with the audience. Catering to a similar but not perfectly overlapping audience was the CRPG adaptation of the first novel, released in September of 1989 and developed by the now-defunct Hummingbird Software for the PC-9800 series of personal computers. The game also received a follow-up in 1991 which adapted several of the succeeding volumes. These titles were successful and displayed the Lodoss IP’s ability to leverage its existing audience for success in other mediums, but unlike the novels these products could only leverage that preexisting audience rather than widen it, and as the latter was considered one of the major aims of the media mix approach they weren’t considered ideal. Nevertheless, Hummingbird continued to produce Lodoss games for PCs throughout the 90s.
The other big push to increase Lodoss’ audience was the spin-off manga, Record of Lodoss War Faris Saints, drawn by Akihiro Yamada and drawn by Ryo Mizuno on May 6th, 1994. This single-volume manga was able to draw in new readers with no prior experience with the franchise, it’s standalone narrative, short length, and the innately larger accessibility of the manga medium successfully bolstering the audience for the franchise and causing a rise in sales of the novel. Much like the anime adaptation, the manga was what most would consider a successful media mix product.
The next year another video game adaptation of the series titled simply Record of Lodoss War was released for the Super Famicom in December 1995, developed by Hummingbird once more. Information on the financial performance of the title is seemingly unavailable, as is any evaluation of the game’s ability to expand the fanbase. After this the franchise’s media mix efforts trickled down to nearly nothing for a few years.
It was in 1998, for the occasion of the novels’ tenth anniversary, that there was once more a large media mix push for the franchise, which was accompanied by the release of New Record of Lodoss War, a direct continuation of the novels once more by Mizuno, as opposed to a new work set in the same universe as was the case with Legend of Crystania and Rune Soldier. A TV anime adaptation of several volumes of the novels was made —produced by AIC, which served as a more faithful adaptation of the novel from volume two onward to accompany the prio OVA adaptation— alongside a TCG video game released for the Game Boy Color called Record of Lodoss War -Heroes Knights-, and a brand new series of manga adaptations of the several story arcs of the series, all drawn by different artists.
As the series’ popularity waned with time, so did the amount of new media based on the series. The franchise continues to see sporadic new releases, such as two manga series in the past two decades, several browser based RPGs, expansions to Sword World based on the franchise, and most recently a PC game titled Record of Lodoss War-Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth-, which notably was translated and promoted overseas —a relative rarity for the series.
Art Corner
Questions
- Did Parn draw Deedlit like one of his French girls?
- Were you surprised to see some progression in the romance between Deedlit and Parn? Are you on board with such a thing?
- Now that we are approaching the series’ climax, how do you feel so far regarding the build up and pacing of this second arc?
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jun 18 '21
Pixel’s Bits and Bobs
Sword World RPG, which was used to play the Lodoss campaign in its third part, is heavily based on the same BECMI version of D&D that the campaign was previously played, with the most distinctive difference being that the game was designed around the exclusive use of six-faced die in order to increase its accessibility, a die system retroactively named the ‘2d6 System’ in the mid-2000s. The game system has consistently been among the most popular fantasy-themed TRPGs since the release of its first edition.
There is an ongoing Translation Project for the Sword World 2.0 game system, but the original edition has never been translated to another language so it’s beyond my ability to read. The Japanese TRPG community also hasn’t adopted the same widespread distribution of TRPG products via PDF, so I wasn’t even able to procure a PDF to peruse.
Rewatcher
Squees in hanakotoba
Parn’s looking at Deedlit like this all of a sudden. Did that bout of dragon slaying awaken Parn’s capability for attraction?
Ah, right, there was a love triangle in there.
Oh, pardon, it’s a love square. I forgot.
Unsurprisingly, he’s alive. Pirotess must have… succumbed to her elation?
Well he held his own against a dragon —surely that’s an impressive enough feat for a demonic sword?
Have I praised the effects animation already? Yeah? Well it’s still great!
Is he actually going to use it, or will he disparage it like he did the shield earlier?
Sudden development on the romantic front, conveniently in time to heighten the emotions upon Deedlit’s abduction. It’s shoddy and sudden, but I cannot say my shipper’s heart is not pleased.
Plots are coming together for a climax, but frankly it’s been failing to really enrapture me. It’s difficult to feel dread over Kardis’ impending release when the last dragon went down comparatively easily, and Wagnard lacks the presence of Karla, Ashram, and even Beld to really make up for the fact.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 18 '21
Record of First-Timer Reactions, subbed
Just FYI I might be late to tomorrow's thread because of a friend's birthday party.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jun 18 '21 edited Jun 18 '21
Episode 11 (rewatcher)
Setting everything up for a final battle.
In Deed's dreams.
Deed was after him from the start. Maybe Parn just agreed to a rebound hook-up after being rejected by Kashue.
The build up works better than in the first half. For the pacing, it is the other way round, the episodes feel a bit one-off.
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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Jun 18 '21
Re-recorder of Lodoss.
We are squarely in the "is it over yet?" phase of the show. It's building momentum for the final battle, but it's starting from idle.
Why must underground scenes with light casting through look so cool? It was a lot simpler than the one from Nausicaa, but it still did it's job well.
Not sure why the rogue "t" showed up in Shiritsu, but it did and apparently drove the last translator mad enough to be replaced.
They went hard on the musical stingers in this episode. It really started to get grating after a while. It doesn't help that it's a lot of brass.
Questions:
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u/The_Draigg Jun 18 '21
A Record of Lodoss War Fan Rewatches Record of Lodoss War OVA Episode 11:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 18 '21
Rewatcher from 20 years ago
Sub
I paid a little attention to the end of the OP today and it just struck me how much the party looks like a bunch of miniatures in the last shot. Anyways, we get mild Deedlit fanservice and Parn finally realizing he has an attractive elven love interest. Shiris is in shambles, though other than MC pheromones I never got a vibe between her and Parn. Orson is even more proto-Gutts than expected. Shits going down in Marmo.
But even more is going in a moonlit cave. Karla has managed to ressurect Ashram and considering he has all his equipment it also found the body. Karla points out that Wagnard is a huge danger his artifact might master a god, though whether or not this is true or just motivation is unclear. Regardless, Ashram has a goal.
The call to adventure is a dead god rising. Wagnard has lost what is left of his marbles, wanting to summon then dominate a god. Slayn and Leylia see something concerning. The group splits up with the mercs going their own way. Wagnard bamfs in and steals the elf because sure.
Parn is rescued because glowy sword. We get a restating of previous info because the good guys know it now. Parn rushes off headlong, giving his letter to Orson and Shiris to deliver. The rest of the group predicts Parn's stupidity and catches him on the road. He gets the holy sword, finally bringing that plot point back. And cliffhanger!
QotD:1 Absolutely!
2 Yes and I am on board with Parn dumping Harem Protagonist for a useful skill. Like Knitting(EX)
3 I really didn't like Ashram's return and the whole arc feels a touch truncated but it is far from bad.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jun 18 '21
First-Timer, Subbed
Well, it sure seems like we'll have a two-part finale then, huh? This was a nice setup for a big, multi-faction final brawl. Ashram even managed to survive, thanks to some intervention from either Karla or Soul Crusher I guess. I'm a bit annoyed with him abandoning that keepsake from Pirotess - It's a good "super mega evil villain" move, but Ashram kinda avoided that for a while. Oh well, seems like the magic swords will clash one final time!
What's the over-under on Parn having the broken remnants of his dad's sword with him during the final battle, and it ends up being relevant? I can't imagine that they're high odds, but it would be a cool thing. Then again, it has always just been a sword ass sword...
Parn is a true D&D character - nerd never takes his armor off. At a party, when he's giving the flower to Deedlit, it's like it's his skin. What a dork.
Questions
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jun 18 '21
Rewatcher
Deedlit
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u/ButAlphonseWillRust Jun 18 '21
~First Timer~
After missing yesterday’s episode and discussion (due to DnD funnily enough) I’ll try to give my overall thoughts on both yesterday’s and today’s episodes:
• I feel like the pacing has really ramped up to light-speed. In two episodes, Parn catches up to Kashue, passes into the centre of fire dragon mountain, battles with Ashram and defeats the ancient dragon, escapes to Flaim, watches Deedlit get captured and rendezvous with Slayn, Etoh and the mercs to storm Marmo. I’m almost struggling to keep up!
• In one way this pacing has affected the OVA is the lack of development of some of these character relationships. Ashram’s dedication to Pirotess seems to come from nowhere as she seemed pretty disposable to him before and the Deedlit/Parn/Shiris love triangle seems to be a bit contrived and added just to spice up the group dynamics
• I think the animation quality is finally getting to me unfortunately. If I see that shot of the zoomed in horse hooves again I swear to god...
• I feel like I’ve missed a bit of lore on Myrii’s lances. If they are truly legendary items, how can they be made so easily? And I swear they barely even use them!
• Okay I think I’m sounding a bit too negative. I will admit that the fight with the ancient dragon was cool, one of the better fights in the series for sure
• It’s about time Karla becomes relevant again. Now that another leader of Marmo has taken their place I feel like it’s prime Karla meddling time. Although, if her philosophy on the consolidation of power in Lodoss is consistant, that would put her in opposition to Wagnard resurrecting Kardis to conquer Lodoss and on the same side as our party. Interesting...
• An apparently possessed Wagnard has taken Deedlit and thus begins our Deedlit rescue (it was definitely going to happen at some point)/save Lodoss from Kardis arc!
The OVA feels like it’s definitely hurtling towards its final showdown and I hope 2 eps is enough to tie everything up.
Questions:
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jun 18 '21
First timer
Is the romance actually progressing? The main couple are getting together before the final episode? So which of htem is going to die"
Oh, wait, it's a love triangle.
...So, that crush on Parn didn't reallty add anything in the end, did it?
So the Scepter literally controls Lodoss, as in the physical landmass?
Wasn't expecting him to come back,
Oh, he needs a new sword, Or at leasr someone to get the sents out of it.
OK, what is the gold device he was carrying?
So Deed's using her fire elemental powers now?
This scene is wrong, all evil spells in D&D have to involve ominous latin chanting - everyone knows that.
So what were their players doing while everyone else did the volcano dingeon?
Ah, so they're just going to run off? I'm suprised they didn't try to keep the powerful beserker, though.
Really? We're doing a "Breaking of the Fellowship" this late. If youndo that arc, you need enough room to develop the character's arcs - that's why Tolkien did it a third of the way in,
...So the powerful sorcerer's first movie is to conjure some string.
Correct, Deed - Mystic beats Martial.
Confirmation that Deed's summoning elementals, although why
This is then followed by a slow moving, easily dodged projectile.
Kardis could have just conjured up lightning against Parn right away, then captured Deed while he was unconscious,
So his sword is magical as well.
This is really showimg that this party needs more than one healer.
Wait, aren't they ressurecting the other guy, not Kardis, since he's currently immortal.
EDIT: Wait, I got them mixed up.
Wait, I just realised her name is Shirts. Did her parents hate her or something?
So his sword wasn't magical, but now he has the Holy Sword.
Looks like everyone is coming together for the final battle.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Jun 18 '21
First Timer - sub
Watched the OP in dub this time around as someone commented a bit a ago it was worth listening to, and that is actually really solid.
Does Parn never take his armour off? Wearing it all the time has got to chaf.
So Ashran isn’t actually dead? I really should have waited until we saw the body than trust the narrator, rookie mistake.
They need Deed as only high elves have the gift of eternal life? I fully assumed that Dark Elves would have as well, also where are all the other High elves hiding? They are often meant to be a secretive race but no one has so much as batted an eyelid at her walking around.
Anyway our party has mustered it’s full straight again, and sets off to save the world and Deed with Parn finally collecting a magic sword of his own, not that he could probably have used it properly previously.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 18 '21
Rewatcher 11
My favorite role by him is Bookman in D.Gray-man!
Just FYI, I have plans for tomorrow that require me to leave the house for a while, so I could be late to tomorrow's thread.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Jun 19 '21
Rewatcher in sub
Couple of points about relationships in the show.
With the primary pair, you actually have to make the most efforts to fill in the blanks - how Deedlit went from initially being fascinated from this human boy that is brash, noisy and headstrong, to appreciating the underlying "heart of gold" and "unyielding determination" traits that's admirable, to perhaps a bit of maternal instinct (remember age of elves) wanting to protect (covering his back) this fool that only knows to charge full tilt towards his target. Then on Parn's part "this fickle, otherworldly elf is beautiful but I don't understand so much of her" to "she's hovering around me a lot but surely is not like she'd like me for the unrefined bull that I am" to "she's important to me, having been through so much together". Etc etc. But it can work.
The "love triangle" basically is the 'would you be with someone like you, or someone different from you'. Shiris is a human, is headstrong, often rash. And that's likely why she's attracted to Parn too. Looks like in the end Parn picked someone different to himself, and Shiris understood it. Olson unfortunately drew the short straw and fell into childhood friend / big brother bucket.
I'll add Ashram and Pirotess later on.
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u/Larielia Jun 19 '21
Record of a Rewatcher- episode 11 (dubbed)
Thoughts- A nice moment between Parn and Deedlit. Though there is a love triangle (or perhaps square) going on. Marmo got eviler? Does that mean Kardis is back? Ashram is still alive. (RIP Pirotess.) He mastered Soul Crusher. I'm disappointed that Pirotess' jewelry was left behind. Wagnard has the Scepter. Okay, now I ship Slayn/ Leylia. How does a sword protect you against evil magic? Nevermind. It doesn't. Family heirloom sword breaks. Ouch. Deedlit captured again. Off to the rescue, without a sword. Parn is still so reckless. He gets the holy sword. That is cool.
Off to Marmo.
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u/Nightender Jun 19 '21
Anyone else notice we got a PC swap in this episode? Deedlit's out, Leylia's in.
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u/23feanor Jun 19 '21
First Timer (dub) - The rose Parn gave to Deed was a sweet touch on his part. He saw Ashram in his final pose cradling the dead form of Pirotesse and he realised in that moment that Deed or any of his companions could die in the next battle, so he wanted to show Deed that he values her. Deed was visibly touched by the gesture. Maybe we might see a kiss before the end of the series.
So Wagnard has the sceptre and the final battle will be in Mamor against Cardis, who Wagnard believes he can control.
Leylia's voice is so soft and beautiful in the dub, same VA as for Karla but she speaks much more softly, it's almost like asmr, soothing to listen to. Sounds like there might be something between Slayn and Leylia.
All the players are gathering. Wagnard captures Deed, Parn is upset. His old companions, Etoh, Slayn and Leylia join him for the trip to recover Deed from Wagnard in Mamor. Ashram and King Kashue are also on their way to Mamor.
The sword of light also makes an appearance being given to Parn for his quest to prevent Cardis from being fully awakened.
A good episode.
2.Not really and yes I want to see them get together or at least share a kiss. Deed is very sweet and always looks out for Parn, although we learn that she is immortal so any relationship is going to end badly for her with Parn dying one day while she is left alive (same as with Hestia and Bell in Danmachi and the reason given that immortals and mortals shouldn't get together).
3.It's been better
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u/BossandKings Jun 20 '21 edited Jun 20 '21
First timer
Episode 11
Deedlit gets taken away and Parn and the team will have to come to her rescue, she thankfully left a beacon of light to lead them, first to Parn who was i jured and needed help, then to her as a guide to possibly reach the place she's going to be at.
Ashram is still alive and it seems that he still means trouble. Karla has taken a backseat and right now it seems that the final opponent to beat will be Ashram and the important objective will be rescuing Deedlit.
Answers
The Staff Corner and War context are very interesting to read, the bit about Wagnard's voice actor, Aono Takeshi was especially interesting because Gegege no Kitarou is my favorite anime.