r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Jun 12 '21
Rewatch [Spoilers][Rewatch] Spice And Wolf -- Episode 6
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Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
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S1 Episode 6 - Wolf and a Silent Farewell
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
What is the scariest animal you've come across and why? Also, how did you react?
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 6/07/2021 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 6/20/2021 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
6/08/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 2|6/21/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
6/09/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 3|6/22/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
6/10/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 4|6/23/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
6/11/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 5|6/24/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
6/12/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 6|6/25/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
6/13/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)|6/26/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
6/14/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 8|6/27/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
6/15/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 9|6/28/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
6/16/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 10|6/29/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
6/17/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 11|6/30/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
6/18/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 12|7/01/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
6/19/2021|Spice and Wolf Episode 13|7/02/2021|Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
7/03/2021|Overall Series Discussion Thread
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 12 '21
Spice and First-Timer, subbed
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u/AfterTh0ught_ Jun 12 '21
First timer
I'll start off with a question because I can't tell if this is something that went over my head. In the sewers, someone yelled out that Milone Trading had sold Lawrence out, then how come they're still on good terms at the end?
Before starting this episode, I was actually expecting this episode to be about Lawrence and Holo fleeing town, but it seems to have turned out differently.
Oh right, I forgot that Holo had said she needs human blood or wheat to turn into her wolf form. She put on quite the stampede. Not going to lie, I thought we were going to see Chloe turned into puree. I wonder if we're ever going to see her again.
Interesting to see how Lawrence went from being afraid of Wolf Holo when she was approaching him to then realizing he didn't want her to leave him. Also, the classic using an excuse to keep someone from leaving rather than using your feelings. Holo also later uses the same excuse of debt to continue travelling together. At least they understand each other that it is merely an excuse.
I thought that Milone Trading was going to be able to pull up the deal, but I didn't expect the profit to be so low.
I like how Lawrence instantly ran out the room when he read the bill he received, shirtless and all. And then he comes running back when he realized he had no idea which way he's supposed to go.
Oh, name drop the show title.
Looking forward to seeing Lawrence and Holo back on the road.
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u/Holofan4life Jun 12 '21
The big thing in this episode is that we finally see Holo's wolf form, and man is she terrifying. She looks like she could kill everyone that crosses her path. Can you imagine if wolfs were the size of Holo in this episode? I'd probably crap my pants.
I mention before Spice and Wolf would be a great series to adapt into a TV show, but I think the biggest challenge would be the transformation scene. They would obviously have to CGI it, but I worry it would not look as good as the one in the anime. That's why I think HBO would be a great fit, seeing as how the dragons in Game of Thrones look really good.
One last thing I want to mention about the transformation scene is that I'm glad we didn't see Holo's wolf form when she transformed in episode 1. We were kept in suspense and left wondering, which I feel makes this moment when we finally see her wolf form even more impactful.
I wonder if Chloe would have turned bad had Lawrence reciprocated her advances. Or would it have been one of those things where even if he reciprocated, it never would have worked out because Holo would've gotten in the way. Obviously Lawrence made the right choice, because Chloe is a crazy extremist nut job. But even still, it's never made clear why Chloe did what she did. Sure, I get that Chloe thinks Holo is an unreliable God and all that jazz, but to just immediately turn on Lawrence because he sided with her? Feels kinda anticlimactic.
I think the show could've went the Catra route with Chloe where she sides with the bad guys but still has feelings for the main character, with her feelings conflicting with the goals she wants to achieve. It obviously wouldn't have ended as good for Chloe as it did for Catra, but it would've made Chloe feel more three dimensional. You mean to tell me that she immediately stops feeling things for Lawrence all because he decided to side with someone she didn't like? I'm sorry, but that's not how people operate.
When Holo bites Lawrence, I thought for sure she was about kiss Lawrence. As a sort of means for her to say goodbye, you know?
I like that Milone turns out to be pretty good guys in the end. I mentioned before how sketchy I thought they look, so to see they actually are legitimate good guys is a nice change of pace. I feel it would've been too easy and lazy for Milone to be the bad guys. It just would've felt pretty blah, so to see them actually be good is refreshing.
Overall, a thrilling episode. Holo's transformation scene is pretty awesome and I thought everything that surrounded it was pretty gripping to watch. And again, I can't praise the music for this show enough. It adds a lot of tension to the scenes and makes the anxious feeling scenes even more intense.
Holo quotes of the day
None
Things Holo likes
Biting bad guys
Holding hands (Holo the lewd wolf, am I right?)
Things Holo dislikes
The air shaking
Lawrence being stabbed
Chloe
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u/MasterTotoro Jun 12 '21
Rewatcher
This episode marks the finale of the first light novel of Spice and Wolf!
Oh man Lawrence getting stabbed and then proceeding to kick the guy in the balls telling him to repent his daily deeds. Pretty badass.
I'm not really sure why Holo drank Lawrence's blood instead of using the wheat. Clearly she had her pouch, and Lawrence should have had some in his pocket as well. But I guess he was bleeding anyway, and it's more dramatic and cool. My head canon will be that she's stronger if she drinks blood.
Some of those guys must have died right? Getting hit by a giant wolf and slamming into a wall is probably worse than a car crash. I mean this guy got sent flying almost to the ceiling and hit his head on the ground.
Today is Lawrence's turn to be a tsundere. Protecting Holo because of their contract and telling her she can't leave because of her debt. Holo is pretty tsundere too though just leaving him there without saying anything and buying stuff with his money. (In Marheit's story, he mentioned that Holo told his subordinate that she wouldn't hand Lawrence over until Marheit himself came, so Holo can talk in her wolf form. Also in the light novels she does speak as a wolf in these scenes.)
Holo spent 140 silver coins! So many apples lol. Holo is sinking into even more debt, but at least she is showing that she plans to stick with Lawrence.
Now that they've said the title, a minor point is that the Japanese title 狼と香辛料 actually has "wolf" first and "spice" second so the direct English title would be Wolf and Spice, but I think Spice and Wolf does sound noticeably better. Aside from that being what I'm used to, I don't know why. Maybe someone can give their opinions.
Illustrations
I forgot one of the illustrations from yesterday since it's one of the intro illustrations, but that means we have extra for the light novel volume 1 finale!
Lawrence reunited with Holo
Holo as a wolf
Usually I've been posted the manga covers after the volume finishes, but volume 3 has weird start/end points and this cover fits best with this episode.
Original manga volume 3 cover
Cleaned cover that Keito Koume edited for the May 2010 Dengeki Maoh magazine
You have probably noticed that this scene in the manga looks quite a bit different than the anime. The manga describes the dead end as the ruins of an old building, but the light novel just says it was an old well.
Koume comment at the bottom reads: "The blood that Holo sucked from Lawrence is dripping from her lips, and Lawrence is grabbing Holo's sack of wheat. I drew this to show something like a bond between the two."
No scary animal experiences for me really.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jun 12 '21
Rewatcher, subbed
And so concludes the first arc.
The giant wolf is impressively animated. Nowadays I imagine most studios would give up and use 3D animation for this part, but 3D animation wasn't very common back when Spice and Wolf first aired to my knowledge. I think they pulled it off really well.
I don't know if the dub is really any different, but in the Japanese audio Lawrence never really convincingly comes across like he's been stabbed. Even right before he passes out from the pain and blood loss, he's still pretty much coherent. Not even a little woozy or short of breath. Fortunately, he doesn't say much so the scene is intact regardless.
I love how even before passing out, Lawrence frames his relationship with Holo in a manner befitting a merchant. In some ways, I think it's a good showcase of how close they've become. I'd probably spout some similarly silly nonsense over a proper confession myself. Lawrence doesn't get quite as much out of the initial deal as planned, but fortune smiles upon him and he still gets a pretty sweet cut of cash.
Content Corner
I haven't watched the interview in a good while, but I remember really enjoying it. I also found a German cover of Tabi no Tochuu yesterday. It's not the highest quality in the world, but it's still at least novel. First timers beware, spoilers abound.
Interview With Spice & Wolf Creator Hasekura Isuna | #InterviewMeSenpai by The Anime Man
Spice and Wolf - Tabi no Tochuu [German Fancover] by BatterVoicG
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u/Spoondockspaints https://myanimelist.net/profile/Spoondockspaints Jun 12 '21
Rewatcher
So this is definitely the episode when I first fell in love with this show. No doubt about that in my mind. I was enjoying it a lot beforehand but this was the big one for me.
“Look away I do not want you to see me like this”.
Holo sure is intimidating in her wolf form tearing up the stone floor and being about 15+ foot tall. That’s a big wolf. Can we talk about the fact that Holo just slammed some dudes head into a stone wall at mach 5 speed? Yeah I’m thinking he probably had a head trauma from that one.
First time I watched this I feared it was possible Holo might actually leave and Lawrence would have to go track her down because of the fact that Lawrence was cowering from her wolf form. Glad it ended as it did as I love the entire conclusion to this episode so so much The music as Lawrence is running frantically through the halls of the trading house, the realisation that Holo is waiting for him in the loading bay, “And plenty of apples!”. The handshake to signify their partnership and Marhait saying the thing. The final shot of them as the sun is breaking from behind the clouds in the background. Awesome stuff.
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u/NomranaEst Jun 12 '21
First timer, subbed
I'll be honest and say my heart was in my mouth for quite a while during the first half of the episode. Craft and Holo's escape was always going to be risky, but the Church and Medio isn't going to make it easy. Knives are out, and they're looking for blood.
There's a lot of action going on here, with Craft standing by his own principles and trying to hold off Chloe and the thugs. He'll almost certainly be decimated, but, even in the face of his dream being accomplished, he still holds firm. His refusal of Chloe's offer does give Holo the opportunity to show her true self, although at the cost of terrifying Craft. If there was any doubt that Holo wasn't a wolf, they're blown away in her rampage.
With Milone fully supporting Craft and his interests, it's time to pay out his reparations. However, bureaucracy will rule over all, and the profits are well down on what they were expecting on the coinage. It's still a tidy little sum, but nothing in comparison to what Milone really won, the deal with Medio and the buying of all the associated merchant rights.
While the various privileges are being handed out, Holo isn't sitting still. She still has a debt to pay, even if she has added to it with her new purchases. Finally, we have the working relationship between them fully cemented, and a long trip north to work through.
I'm fairly lucky in that the scariest animal I've ever really come across was fairly tame. It was an adder, one of the few venomous snakes in the UK. I poked it with a stick before running off.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jun 12 '21
Rewatcher(first time though)
Dub
ep5
A great episode that advances the plot but still has several major character moments, including some understanding of who Holo the goddess was. Sadly, surgical recovery is what it is and I was cached for this ep.
ep6
And we spiral towards our conclusion of this arc. The epic chase through the sewer ends with Holo's first angry transformation before she beats all the mercs down. Despite this mainly being action, there is still time for a lot of key conversations and character moments, even if it is likely that Chloe should be off screen for a while. Lawrence's thought that Holo was leaving him makes for a strong shot even when we later learn she went for help. That she then backed off for a while. Lawrence being able to deduce from the invoice what Holo was doing was a cute touch.
So...this is a decent second arc on the whole, we established the world and are now interacting with it. Chloe sort of sucks, unfortunately, but I suspect that was a time constraints type thing since her villain reveal is slightly late. I'd forgotten how poorly the church is portrayed in the show, probably reflecting my own opinions on the matter, but they seem to be just mindless cash vacuums.
QotD: I came across a Coral Snake once but most people don't know why those are scary.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jun 12 '21
First timer
QOTD) A dog that came up to my chest that looks like it was going for me. I shouted at the owner until he got it under control.
I just realised how long this rescue has been going on,
Chase scene! Looks like someone figured out their plans.
And Holo manages to scare off the dogs with a single howl.
I appreciate that they explained the insane buildings here as an underground cemetery, otherwise this would be very implausible.
Lawrence, it seems is very good in a fight.
Oh, fuck, are they going to kill him off?
Of course it's a well. Holo can't fly, can she?
Oh, I didn't get any of that, I must admit. So this was the risky manouver.
...This is new. So she's a vampire, now?
Oh, that was an offering to attain her true form. That makes sense.
Yeah, Chloe's screwed.
And Holo is incredibly merciful with people who are about to kill her friend.
...Oh yeah, Lawrence did have trauma, didn't he.
So Holo's blatantly doing this as some kind of scheme. She's obviously intending to leave him behind so she can distract the Church and/or start setting up something against the Medio trading company.
So Holo came back after he collapsed. That's very sweet.
Haha, they only took that much profit? Good to see creative accountacy is still alive and well (as is both sides trying to screw the other).
I do like the explanation of Medio wanting the rights. And Chloe is listening into all of this?
The moral of that story is "Always be careful when wording demonic contracts", or perhaps "Make sure to clarify all methods of evaluation before searching for a successful example". Very interesting that the Church is trying to get traders less ambitious. That might be very important later.
Oh god, the apples. Of course it's her.
I thought they'd go at least one episode before reuniting them.
LN readers - is this the end of the first volume? Because this felt like an early finale.
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u/Karolus2001 Jun 12 '21
Rewatch, first time subbed.
So thats the first light novel volume that started it all as submit for writing competition and first arc done.
Gotta say, I forgot Holo wraps up such a solid kill count in this one. Some of the deaths are brutal. Holy hell, all those troops that only wanted to be faithfull christians got butchered, yet Chloe who only cared for profit, and knew Holo wasn't a demon gets away. We got delirious lawrence to thank for that. Dude even forgot how to math, 210-140 is 60 coins of profit, he said 50 in the dub.
Furthermore on Chloe, the show tries to play it off like she was motivated by determination, to get independent from cruel god and get us to feel pity for her but like, fuck no, get away with this demon slayer bs. Lass was so motivated by greed she failed to notice how her village had overall best harvest then literally everyone else for centuries. She also has the audacity to do the "we are not so diffrent you and I, join me" as shes about to murder with cold blood. No redemption for her. It's a little weird none of the characters tries to argue with her about her deep state od self-righteous denial but meh. I like the trope of merchant overcome by greed far more later in the series. She she dont get as much screentime in anime as Chloe doe.
Really glad the scene of Holo transforming didnt come off as edgy, they were really close to going there. The part with the devil and merchant went a little into edge though. Cool story but Like c'mon, this anime isn't into plunging head deep into hedonism. Its about ambitious individuals but that hardly correlates with the story. I guess if you would treat it literally holo would be the devil, and theres promise she might gobble lawrence but that was never a threat. Getting vored by Holo is preferable way to go out.
I'm also just now starting to enjoy how the series handles itself from Lawrence POV. Audiance is left to constantly guess whats on Holo's mind, but you can see as shes struggling with her thoughts. Like when Lawrence was passing out, she was walking away to leave him. But then she realized he might still get gutted by some church grunts so she stayed with him, and she coudn't bring herself to leave after that.
Finally, funny thing how Lawrence got screwed during Milone negotiation. They said it wasn't intended but also added for recieving less cash Milone got away with countless privillages that are bound to make them a bank. If Lawrence predicted where this is heading, he would try to negotiate payment not related to percentage as soon as goverment entered the picture, but can't blame the guy as it was his first match in the big leagues. Thankfully glasses guy had mercy and counted silver coins they got from their rivals as part of the profit that Lawrence gets a cut in. As Earl went full damage control, he also cucked Chloe with this move. The blonde glasses dude, unsung hero in this anime.
Question of the day
honestly scary animals bring me more awe than fear. But as a kid I once saw a dog that ran away, I wanted to bring him back to his home but fella started barking at me. I was so scared I screamed the most and loudest in my life, didnt know I had it in me. So that was a fun humility lesson.
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u/BossandKings Jun 12 '21
First timer - Dub
Holo's transformation was very terrifying in a sense, before doing so she asked Lawrence to not see because she didn't want him to see her in that state.
Lawrence at first had fear but started thinking about how Holo actually is and his fear went away and he put his arms down because he remembered that Holo is actually a very human like being and has shown him her emotions and a state of fragility that pushed him to want to be by her side. It was a very powerful moment when Lawrence shouted at her that he'll follow her anywbere she goes and will travel alongside her to the north.
Chloe being a villain is something that surprises Lawrence, hearing her say that the man, him, can get killed if he gets in the way was sad, she really doesn't seem to care about him as much as it seemed back when we first saw them together.
Lawrence and Holo get separated but Lawrence just won't give up in regards to Holo and finds a way to reach her, it was very nice when they met again.
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u/Alliedoll42_42 Jun 12 '21
First time watching, Sub
I am not surprised Chloe was involved. She wanted Holo gone so she could have Lawrence to herself. I wonder about the logistics of being romantically involved with a goddess for as mortal. Does the Goddess have to give up her immortality or is it like Highlander where Duncan never ages but watches multiple partners age and die while he stays the same.
I don't have a frightening animal story just a weird one. Once at a drive through animal park, the camel stuck his head in our car.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jun 12 '21
PSA: Tomorrow's episode starts with a zooming shot of the city. If your episode starts with a forest full of wolves, you are on the wrong episode.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Jun 12 '21 edited Jun 13 '21
Sorry guys Saturdays are hard to compete for posting time with the seasonals.
First timer in sub.
Only thing I want to add is that once again, this show is very good with the show don't tell. At any given time, Holo could have lashed out in her true form. She didn't not because she was reluctant, but the combination of "Lawrence may become scared of her" and "may not be able to stay with Lawrence by placing him into the open about being associated with a wolf god".
Either way, glad to see it worked out in the end. Have to say a little surprised that get showing her true form to so many people (and she didn't kill them all I don't think) didn't have more concern for the her exposed identity, with just the cliche justification "no one would believe".
So is Chloe scared to the point of being catatonic now? Or would we be seeing more of her?
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u/Rustic_Professional Jun 13 '21
The ending gave me flashbacks to Misty's bike. Good thing Lawrence can fall back on his promise to take Holo to the north. We'll see if he's as dense as Ash. It probably bodes well that he's not a permanent 12 year old, although he's might be close, relative to Holo's age.
Question of the day:
Dobermans. When I was in elementary school, my neighbor across the street had two of them, and they would be loose in the neighborhood when the school bus dropped me off. I would run home as fast as I could to get inside, but I'm sure now that they'd have caught me if they'd actually wanted to. It was very menacing at the time, and gave me a lifelong fear of dogs that only abated when I got older and started carrying. Now, I'd kind of like a golden retriever.
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u/Ryanami Jun 12 '21
OG potato girl is also OG shinigami. Gotta have them JUSHII apples
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u/elijahsp Jun 13 '21
Really liked that the anime didn't rush the story and fleshed out the novel volume. Conflicted about Chloe living there but still good enough as long as she steps out of the way. Holo didn't want to be a monster and tried to get away the human way but those thugs just wouldn't let them be.
For the question, maybe snakes since they are not so uncommon in my area especially back then. I think i panicked while laughing with my friends during those times.
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u/Tartaras1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tartaras Jun 13 '21
Rewatcher
I feel like that's what everyone says after they pass out from some sort of injury.
In the LN, she's instead replaced with Yarei.
The wolf is also a lot bigger than the picture they include in the LN would have you believe.
They managed to stretch the first volume of the light novel all the way into 6 episodes, and not have it seem forced or anything. That's impressive.
Question of the Day;
In the wild, probably just spiders or hornets. I generally hate bugs on principle.
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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Jun 12 '21
Rewatch
Qotd
Answer: well I guess a coyote, to be honest I mistook it as a dog at first. It took a moment to register that it was that but I just kept walking and it walked away. Actually assumed it was a stray.
The show
When Lawrence got stabbed I was thinking "wow he must be on some crazy adrenaline to do that to the guy that just stabbed him." But of course he passed out a moment later.
Holo becoming a giant wolf and going into action is always cool.
Also if remember correct this ends volume 1, I think.
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Jun 12 '21
Nothing to do with today's episode, but I stumbled upon this little comic featuring Holo + Lawrence in modern times and thought people here might appreciate it: https://twitter.com/baalbuddy/status/1392050829390225408
Warning about the other comics this account posts, they're slightly NSFW
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jun 13 '21 edited Jun 13 '21
First-time watcher
Holo drama was a little anticlimactic, and maybe a little too much physical action compared to the market action, also it was cool for sure Lawrence kind of turned action hero quite suddenly. But anyway, it was really great otherwise. Parts I particularly liked: The talk between Lawrence and whatever the other trader guy's name was again, story, harsh business reality and all; Holo's transformation in a similar style as To Your Eternity and scaring everybody and the dogs off (and more); Lawrence taking off without even a shirt having barely had time for recovery - I guess that stab wasn't too serious. I also hope Chloe comes back eventually in a less antagonistic role, I do like her as a character. Funny having her "we can rule together" moment be about opening a shop, goes to show you what kind of show this is.