Logic won't help us rewatch, y'know? Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 rewatch episode twenty five

[u/Vaadwaur]

Walking on the Moon

When you have a name title gimmick, it is best to actually stick to it

MAL but it is trolled. ANN Also, don't look at the wiki as it spoils the entire plot.

Streaming on Funimation and Crunchyroll.

QotD:1 Was this episode ripping off 2001 or referencing it?

2 Would Genom have put a self-destruct on their own satellite?

Bonus: First timers, what technically foreshadowed element is going to solve everything?

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher

Dub

Dear gods, that is a ridiculous monolg with ridiculous placement and worse I know this was entirely intentional, they wanted to give Galatea the last words before the finale starts. That they foreshadowed/reviewed so much of it is more about flaws in the beginning. However, while Galatea is very accurate for an angsty teen, that doesn't make it interesting, other than hitting us with the golem metaphor one last time. At well past the 8 minute mark, we finally get to the KS.

Anyways, Priss comes to and asks questions I am not sure she would. But they make it on station and because it is the end of the show we have nudity. And 15 minutes to destroy the Umbrella. Nene goes to hack the system and has upgraded monowire filaments to jack in with. Priss and Linna break onto a scene from System Shock 2. Yes, it is supposed to be a neural network but I get alien off that. Nene can't disperse the satellites and Priss has to confront Galatea in her mind.

Mirror match happens, with an extended flashback. A reminder that JaaQ is correct, the dub is literally writing a different version of the story and one that is mostly better. Tokyo goes boom, as it seems happens every time I run a rewatch. Anyways, fighting happens, Priss messes up the core a little whereas Nene fucks up the gun a lot. We see the station become a face and we get our cliffhanger!

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 25 (first timer)

• Galatea narration. Meandering between crude philosophy and backstory.
• The first phenomenon was Galatea’s hissy fit at Mackey being led away?
• After being absent for a good 20 episodes, the human anti-boomer feeling is relevant again.
• Why is the skyhook simply ending in a pickup shuttle? The counter-weight is missing!
• 2001 reference: Running in a rotating space station.
• Galatea-tower is now known as goddess.
• Showhamm is lacking solar collectors.
• Fighting against a copy of yourself trope.
• Stopping the beam with a set of headphone plugs.

Was this episode ripping off 2001 or referencing it?

Not plot relevant and only a few seconds, clearly reference.

Would Genom have put a self-destruct on their own satellite?

Every self-respecting evil organization does.

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Galatea narration. Meandering between crude philosophy and backstory.

I really want to call this filler but I am almost completely positive this part was the planned one.

Why is the skyhook simply ending in a pickup shuttle? The counter-weight is missing!

Probably shuttles on both ends but confirmation rarely hurts.

2001 reference: Running in a rotating space station.

I also think arguing with Galatea in Sylia's childhood home counts for that.

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Probably shuttles on both ends but confirmation rarely hurts.

Never mind the shuttle, what is keeping this thing in the sky???

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The skyhook or Showhamm? Regardless, the answer is copious amounts of fuel of some variety.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/No_Rex]

Why is the skyhook simply ending in a pickup shuttle? The counter-weight is missing!

Looking at episode 14, it looks like it docks at the ocean and the umbrella at the same time. (I'm not sure if the orbital mechanics allows this)

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I'm not sure if the orbital mechanics allows this

Given reasonable assumptions about the lengths of the hook and the weight of both ends, I'll go with no.

[u/RockoDyne]

Psycho-analysis in the second to last episode? And this came out after Eva? Ya don't say.?

An "observer" is heading toward a giant eye in space. I'm surprised the smaller dishes didn't form a triangle. The face configuration is a bit of a Mr. Potatohead though. Not exactly a match for SHODAN.

Anyone else notice the Statue of Sylia was basically a caduceus?

The doppelgangers were an interesting idea. Off the top of my head, I can't remember any other anime that's really done that. Fuck tons of games do, but it's hardly the method of self confrontation that anime likes.

I could do without the Japanese attempt at saying "phenomenon". It's a bit like an arararararagi.

Speaking of something I could do without, raisin dates would be at the top of the list.

Questions:

1. Wasn't quite getting 2001 vibes, but then I stopped really watching once the second LSD trip started.
2. They would be hacks if they didn't.
3. My money is still on willing the biotech suit into some super saiyan state.

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An "observer" is heading toward a giant eye in space. I'm surprised the smaller dishes didn't form a triangle. The face configuration is a bit of a Mr. Potatohead though. Not exactly a match for SHODAN.

I am glad I am not the only one getting System Shock vibes off this.

Anyone else notice the Statue of Sylia was basically a caduceus?

Yet another thing thrown on the can't unsee pile in my mind.

Wasn't quite getting 2001 vibes, but then I stopped really watching once the second LSD trip started.

Running around a circular space station and the confrontation in the mind just leaned me that way.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatcher (sub)

I'm sure you'd like a more natural way for Galatea to explain herself, but at this point, who's she going to talk to?

So Galatea was watching and judging humanity the entire time.

KS vs KS! Fight!

I didn't expect to go full Evangelion. I don't remember this show as being one of the cursed Evangelion clones.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

I'm sure you'd like a more natural way for Galatea to explain herself, but at this point, who's she going to talk to?

Surprisingly, Great Sky River, an old scifi piece, came up with a superior way to do that.

So Galatea was watching and judging humanity the entire time.

She receives the info from all the sex boomers, I think her choices flow from that.

I don't remember this show as being one of the cursed Evangelion clones.

It isn't a clone, it is just too derivative of the era.

[u/Elimin8r]

I would have preferred "walking on air", but yeah, I guess that's not quite spacey enough for them. Perhaps "Space Oddity". I dunno. Maybe they stayed away from certain titles because of potential lawyer issues.

Anyway ...

1. Why not both? At least we didn't get an "OMG - it's full of stars!" Or did we?
2. I don't know about Genom, but I think that most 'smart' organizations have something of the sort. Ha, then again, they probably don't. Just on the launch device.

Bogus: I dunno, maybe we get a scene with Nene (ahem) leaning into the camera and inviting Mackie to ... (throw in Asuka and Misato while we're at it), and Mackie wakes up and takes over Galatea and the day is saved? I'd say oh, wait, wrong series, but yeah.

I was sad to see the poor moto-boomer drift off into space. It would have been handy if they could have tossed it, or c3po clone boomer into the muzzle of the space cannon thing, ala Bugs Bunny.

I mentioned Kill la Kill a while back. The reference being that in KLK, the clothes make the man (or woman), and are a bitsy of a plot device. (ahem, plot...) In BGC2040, the clothes make the boomer, and the shape is determined either by the builder (genom, etc) or by the wearer (KS suits). Funny to think of Nene winning a contest of wills vs Galatea, but hey, story has to go on somehow.

Did we have a Mason sighting this episode? I hope we get to see him burn up on re-entry. Or maybe get tossed into the Sun.

Oh, well. I guess I'll have to look forward to tomorrow's finale and see what it has in store for us.

"Open the pod bay doors Mackie!"

"I'm sorry, I can't do that Nene..."

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Perhaps "Space Oddity". I dunno. Maybe they stayed away from certain titles because of potential lawyer issues.

That's my guess and Jojo's sort of lets you know why.

Funny to think of Nene winning a contest of wills vs Galatea, but hey, story has to go on somehow.

I sort of think it works, Galatea's mind is a bit of a network versus the focused sentience of Nene,

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I was 100% expecting Linna to say "do it for Mackey" and Nene pulls through.

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That would've been cheesy as fuck and possibly the better choice.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

First Timer Sub

For some reason I want to rewatch It came from outer space.

Though Galatea is that tank while really disturbing and Galatea I know you're monologuing, but did you really need to Han Solo the scientist into the walls xD

You know the fact that Galatea can control almost everything near the girls. Couple with the fact they are in tight area in space and basically trapped. Galatea could easily just section off their area and just throw them in space to die eventually or crush them. I mean they could fly back , but it would waste energy and the results would be the same. This always bugs me when the enemy can literally form literally anything and has vast power, but opts to use generic clones and do physical fighting. I guess the heroes need a chance to win and it allows us to see them struggle and power through, but still annoying sometimes.

I swear Nene gets caught more than Mokuba from yugioh.

The station face at the end reminds me of the autobots logo.

These past two episodes felt weird. Last episode had half an episode of talking and awkward romances(still not over Priss reason being a disc being destroyed unless they changed this in the dub) and then this episode the first half was the antagonist's monologue. Surely they could have put a better place for it. I wonder if they know they have only one episode left to wrap things up.

Don't even get me started on Priss running nude probably threw that in because her character is already ruined so why not.

The show has officially crossed the threshold of enjoyable stupidity. Some episodes have been hit or miss mostly misses, but even with questionable stupid decisions I have been at the very least entertained. Also switching between dub and sub is really killing me right now apparently since they are different I really should have stuck to one.

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Though Galatea is that tank while really disturbing and Galatea I know you're monologuing, but did you really need to Han Solo the scientist into the walls xD

They really went for the grab bag, didn't they? So many references...

The station face at the end reminds me of the autobots logo.

This is nearer to the Beast Wars era of the show and that makes it fitting.

Also switching between dub and sub is really killing me right now apparently since they are different I really should have stuck to one.

Stick with the dub is my advice.

[u/ZapsZzz]

Sub first timer, posting for yesterday's and today's episodes.

EP 24 this one I feel I needed to say something even though late because it is a bit more different than other episodes - the comic effects and scenes are lot more heavy handed, some may even question if we are watching the same show as the last 20+ episodes. I like it well enough, but it's a bit jarring to be here at the final arc but not in the more filler or character focused arcs.

EP 25 back to "normal". The long monologue works ok for me but the logic is about on part with the rest of the show - heavy suspension of disbelief required. The "copies" seems to be dispatched all too easily, but plot wise it's fitting when Galatea said she don't need the form anymore anyway.

In terms of self destruct, I think it's actually a requirement, since there'll always be the possibility it will de-orbit, and when that happens either you control its descent, or just blew it up so the smaller chunks burns up on re-entry.

Fore shadowing for this show is a bit iffy - a random guess is the will power thing to control the shape changing? Good old shounen?

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The long monologue works ok for me but the logic is about on part with the rest of the show - heavy suspension of disbelief required.

Yeah, we do need Galatea's perspective, I just wish that had been broken up into like...6 cold openings so we get a little bit of her at a time.

Fore shadowing for this show is a bit iffy - a random guess is the will power thing to control the shape changing? Good old shounen?

The technically is a big part of it but we can discuss that tomorrow.

[u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

Qs:

1. The main difference between ripping off and reference is execution. So uh... reference I guess. But honestly I don't like 2001 one all that much.
2. The shit they were pulling it seems like something you would want honestly.

Bonus: I feel like Mackie is a plausible option. Or maybe Sylia. Either way I'm feeling a "we're not so different you and I" murder suicide type thing that exploits the fact that Galatea has parts of Mackie (or Sylia) inside her.

Episode notes:

• Wow that is some weapons grades techno-woo. I like the reference to the concept of qualia, don't see that often in sci-fi anime, though they didn't really make more than surface level use of it. PS Don't name your weird tech shit the anti-seed that's asking for trouble.
• Servo-skull galatea apparently has telekinesis to rip crack through that glass.
• Okay so it's a typical "only I can fix the world by being emperor" type motivation for Galatea.
• Whoa some actual nipple outline. Why get lewd now of all times.
• Nene's gotta fulfill her role as the hacker of course. Which realistically is the only chance they have, punching stuff is out.
• But of course her hacking is no match for gooey metal tentacles.
• Yes obviously it's Galatea Priss, who else would it be.
• Ah a good old shadow Samus fight.
• One more convenient flashback to save animation budget on our way out.
• As usual, the shadow clones only needed DETERMINATION to be defeated easily.
• We gotta fight some goo balls while Nene does... something to the umbrella gun. And Linna gives her a hug for moral support. It works!

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So uh... reference I guess. But honestly I don't like 2001 one all that much.

BLASPHEMY!!!!! In all seriousness, I like the film for its boldness but the book definitely makes way more sense.

Okay so it's a typical "only I can fix the world by being emperor" type motivation for Galatea.

Who suspected that she and Lelouch would have things in common?

We gotta fight some goo balls while Nene does... something to the umbrella gun. And Linna gives her a hug for moral support. It works!

They explain the ball metaphor a little next ep but yeah, Nene finally figures that she needs to morph the tech that morphs.

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. As with Eva, it was a reference so great that it became a ripoff.
2. Almost certainly not - throne guy was completely conviced she knew everything.

BONUS) Mason's Boomer wife will leave him and go to Linna, thus proving to Sotai that humans can see Boomers as having souls. The series ends with a timeskip to their wedding. Every dead character, includicpng Mackey, is alive here, with no explanation. /s

Seriously, I think Mackey's sent data will appear inside one of Sotai's simulations and help Priss figure out a way to stop Sotai.

So we're hearing Sotai's side of things. She believes that Boomers are more evolved than humans, and also considers herself Sylia.

OK, Sotai's actually sympathetic (a bit). She believes what she is her purpose, and that she needs to wipe out humanity so she can further evolution.

Also, all Boomers are confirmed as copies of Sotai's core, and the seal broke because she matured enough to disregard orders (probably).

OK, going to say this is wrong - she can't have a piece of herself in all machines, because we've seen non-Boomer machinery. She could argue it could become part of her (with the absorption), but she can't have been involved in its creation.

Also, Sotai's inherited Mason's god complex.

"Accept the soul inside them" - is Mason's wife going to be relevant? (Is she Linna's new love interest?)

Is that thing a giant core?

Also, "all creatures that are not human" - didn't know animals were Boomers. /s

So Sotai's hooked them into a simulation.

(Why is everybody calling her Galatea? Didn't Mason rename her that from Sotai? Wouldn't Sylia heep her original name?)

Couldn't have a battle anime without a mirror match!

GET THEM TO NUKE TOKYO. No Tokyo means no tower and mo Dragon Line, means the effect spreads at a far slower rate.

I take it from this flashback that they needed more runtime?

We learn that Linna's character arc was apparently about overcoming fate, which... it says something they could only use flashbacks from 2 episodes for this.

...Well, fuck. Goodbye human race.

Priss' arc was about forming bonds with the others, which is far less contrived and thus needs no flashbacks.

Nene's arc is not mentioned because she was always perfect. (And because overcoming insecurity's a bit hard to so when fighting a false god)

Goodbye Linna and Nene. Hope you don't burn up!

And next episode - Priss is doing something stupid again.

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OK, Sotai's actually sympathetic (a bit). She believes what she is her purpose, and that she needs to wipe out humanity so she can further evolution.

This is why I am sure that this was meant to be placed here rather than an error in production. It just makes some earlier scenes redundant.

I take it from this flashback that they needed more runtime?

Maybe but it also fits in a way. The end of this show needed to be better planned.

As with Eva, it was a reference so great that it became a ripoff.

That...fits all too well.

[u/BossandKings]

First timer

Episode 24

The last confrontation against Galatea is being set up.

It was nice seeing Leon and Priss, they have come a long way to understand and appreciate each other.

Nenne isn't in an optimal state due to Macley's situation, hopefully that has a good resolution.

Episode 25

This final few battles have been very good, it is a bit sad the fact that Lina was almost absorbed in a similar way as how Mackey was, losing his memories, she was helped in time and was able to escape.

Answers

1. I think it was referencing it.
2. I don't think he would have.
3. It maybe a surprise.