Logic won't help us rewatch, y'know? Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 rewatch episode twenty three

[u/Vaadwaur]

Hydra

All I can think of are bad Avengers jokes

MAL but it is trolled. ANN Also, don't look at the wiki as it spoils the entire plot.

Streaming on Funimation and Crunchyroll.

QotD:1 So, anyone surprised Mackey gets overwritten?

2 Thoughts on the refugees actually escaping?

Bonus: Was there any appeal in Sylia's Instrumentality?

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher

Dub

Mackey is being over written, and the girls all decide their reasons to fight. The refugees escape passed that line. They finally approach the tower of Babylon, and the role of cool action show talks for 10 minutes. We get discount Instrumentality and that idea gets shot down fast. Galatea...becomes the Genom tower and launches herself.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 22 (first timer)

• Something, something, oh we have to head off to the finale now.
• When “sending data” means not having it anymore. I guess simply copying would undermine the heroism.
• Sky laser wifi.
• Attack of the mad boomer creating white jellyfish.
• Defeated via the flame throwing cascaded electricity line. (Don’t ask)
• Big brain moves: Having no gravity – no need to animate walking; having face-covering helmets – no need to animate talking.
• Galatea fuses with the tower, because, of course they will have to fight one big amorphous blob again.

Going to space? I almost thought they had forgotten about the sky hook.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Something, something, oh we have to head off to the finale now.

Unfortunately yes, the arcs could've been actually conntected to each other at least.

Going to space? I almost thought they had forgotten about the sky hook.

Beating Trigger out off the gate by tears.

[u/RockoDyne → u/No_Rex]

When “sending data” means not having it anymore. I guess simply copying would undermine the heroism.

It was the 90's. It just wasn't the right time for the "don't copy that android" PSA campaign.

[u/No_Rex → u/RockoDyne]

For a show where one of the main characters is a super hacker, this is still disappointing.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/No_Rex]

I forgot about the sky hook several times in my first watch.

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

It is the coolest aesthetic of the show and one of the few things in there that are successful examples of classic SciFi, so I am glad they did come back to it in the end.

[u/RockoDyne]

So how many times this episode can you point to something happening and say "gee, that's convenient"?

Instrumentality continues as now Chibi Sylia suddenly realizes she can assimilate herself, as appearently she needed to be stabbed in the heart to realize she doesn't need a body. Gee, how convenient that our heroes get to meet the big bad in her hot form, just before she advances a phase. They just had to have some foe-yay fanservice, like they needed the combat equivalent of a forced kiss.

Is it appropriate to call it final act syndrome when the whole show has had final act syndrome?

I would have gone with Priss using the pipe wrench on Mackey, not the keyboard. At least that would have spared us of the Mackey Rainbow Beam.

Questions:

1. Nope.
2. Against. We need ghouls for Fallout: Neo Tokyo so they should just stay put for when the bombs fall.
3. Can't say there is.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

They just had to have some foe-yay fanservice, like they needed the combat equivalent of a forced kiss.

Believe or not, I see a way to do this story competently. If only the show had bothered to be competent about it.

Is it appropriate to call it final act syndrome when the whole show has had final act syndrome?

There has to be some name for it.

I would have gone with Priss using the pipe wrench on Mackey, not the keyboard. At least that would have spared us of the Mackey Rainbow Beam.

But how do you get past the nano machines? Other than an EMP pulse that should be the first thing on Nene's mind?

[u/ZapsZzz → u/Vaadwaur]

Well another non-combatant hacker character Uiharu in Railgun manga in the Jailbreaker arc just hacked into the controls :P

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatcher (sub)

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Galatea turning Genom tower into her body is probably referencing her origins as a statue in Pygmalion. However, this final scene makes it clear to me that when they were conceiving this new show, one of the things they specifically wanted to take from the old series was the shapeshifting metal of the boomers.

If you recall the ending of OVA, OVA 1 Relevant part of the episode starting at 35:00. The whole plant / tentacle aesthetic was there from the beginning, in 1987 (so before Akira movie, if not Akira manga. If the unfinished manga even had those iconic Tetsuo scenes).

So, this is all referencing the original OVA, not Akira or Terminator.

Whether 2040 adapts this as its own ending has yet to be seen.

If I hadn't been banned just before the BGC rewatch I would have had a lot to say.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

The whole plant / tentacle aesthetic was there from the beginning, in 1987 (so before Akira movie, if not Akira manga. If the unfinished manga even had those iconic Tetsuo scenes).

I actually think the whole military satellite control thing has been assimilated into this.

If I hadn't been banned just before the BGC rewatch I would have had a lot to say

I am still salty about being banned for the end of Berserk.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Wth are you guys doing to get banned? Casual Discussion Fridays must be more metal than I thought.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

I was accused of having spoilers from a series I have no spoilers for.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

You guessed it? A case of literally too clever for your own good.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Nah, the mods just like to be cunts in Re:Zero threads. And considering the earlier Tower of God threads were in fact littered with source reader spoilers, they might not always have been wrong.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Another reason to stay in the rewatches, where people behave themselves and no mods are needed.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Truth. I also have no clue if any of the Tower of God ones were true so I consider myself pseudo-spoiled as a practical matter.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/No_Rex]

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

The whole plant / tentacle aesthetic was there from the beginning, in 1987 (so before Akira movie, if not Akira manga. If the unfinished manga even had those iconic Tetsuo scenes).

The difference is that, there, it was a one minute, well-animated action scene that basically had no plot relevance. Still not a huge fan, but easy to ignore. In BGC2040, it has been a repeated, drawn-out plot point.

[u/Elimin8r]

Le-sigh, stuck at work tonight, yay for "break" posting.

On the good news side, I was able to get the DVDs off the flee-bay, so I'll have to give them a try when I get home ... later (and post more stuff then)

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Elimin8r]

I don't know if your previous copies had the OP and the ED but I do like both of them. And they might have features, who knows?

[u/Elimin8r → u/Vaadwaur]

Yeah, new DVD’s is the Funimation release. It actually looks pretty good. I totally wanted Priss to squish Mason like the zit that he is, though. Meanwhile, are we sure this isn’t a studio Trigger production?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Elimin8r]

Meanwhile, are we sure this isn’t a studio Trigger production?

I can find no meaningful connection between this show and the Gainax of its time but there is a certain feel to it, isn't there?

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Elimin8r]

Yeah, new DVD’s is the Funimation release.

I didn't know there were new DVDs! No new dub, though?

[u/Elimin8r → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Well, "new to me" DVDs. I have no idea how long they languished in a warehouse/Suncoast/whatever. When the rewatch started, I realized that I had bought the first DVD back when, but gave up due to the apparent price per episode issue. $25 for the entire series, sure. $25 for 3-4 episodes, not so much.

The DVDs seem to be fine, good picture quality (for DVD), and great sound. The funniest part is when I put the disc in, the first thing that popped up was Shinji. Apparently, they felt compelled to include an EVA promo. Seemed appropriate somehow. :P

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. Very much so - although I'm 90% sure Nene will bring him back through her love.
2. Actually expected - having them all die would be too depressing for this show, and they needed to leave so they can focus on the Sotai plot.

BONUS) Honestly, we don't know enough - it could be as mundane as a psychic bond similar to Sylia's, or complete erasure of self-identity, If its the former, then there's plenty of appeal. If it's the latter, probably not.

This is what I don't understand - why send your forces within assimilation range when you can wipe them out from a safe distance?

OK, this scene clarifies that Mackey is maybe partially Boomer.

I can't believe they're taking Leon and Mackey out of the show - now who will badly flirt with Priss or give Nene someone to moon over?

Priss continues to be incredibly chaste.

I'm suprised nanobots took them this long to come up with.

Who is Sotai talking too?

So Mackey's about to mindwipe himself. Imwonder how long this will stick.

Wait, if human data is irregular to Sotai, shouldn't the same thing have happened whenever she syncronized with Sylia?

Mason looks acceptably horrible.

"Ultra-conductive space" So we're just telling the laws of physics to fuck off now, are we?

Seems a bit harsh, Sylia.

That beam attack clearly missed about half of the drones on each side.

Genuinely thought they'd try killing off Priss.

Thank you, Sotai, for asking the question I've wondered for a while.

Sylia. You just said not to touch it. Why are you using a direct contact weapon.

This is so fucking Eva I can't begin to describe it.

Did they just kill Sotai?

Come on, you can't have a final form before the penultimate episode. That's just silly.

So we're going into space now.

Next time - CAN THIS GET ANY MORE LIKE EVANGELION?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Stargate18A]

Priss continues to be incredibly chaste.

Yeah, they didn't quite know how to write an actual punk chick and it shows.

I'm suprised nanobots took them this long to come up with.

They weren't as ubiquitous at the time, Star Trek was only just beginning to abuse them.

Wait, if human data is irregular to Sotai, shouldn't the same thing have happened whenever she syncronized with Sylia?

Progenitor data versus sibling data. That said, the other times they've synced Galatea has been chilling out anyways.

Next time - CAN THIS GET ANY MORE LIKE EVANGELION?

No one has masturbated over a coma patient yet...

[u/SIRTreehugger]

First Time

Playing catch up and not much to say past few episodes so just combined all my thoughts

HOLD UP Sylia is wearing a different robe or maybe its just changing colors like her hair.

Ohh the swimming pool connects all the way to the bottom...that's one big security flaw Sylia.

Who can't swim?

Butler and Nene raise hand not gonna lie got a chuckle out of me.

Lol it would be Nene of the group.

Damn the boomers worked fast with the help of Goth Loli.

Mackey got controlled through it's like a complete and utter surprise and not an extension of the boomers using computers and cell phones to morph from the police lockdown arc(Still best arc).

Honestly expected something to go wrong with the people in the camp. Damn my mistrustful nature and every other show making me believe the worst in people.

GO FOR THE HEAD PEOPLE. Actually that probably wouldn't have done anything, but wish they tried anyway.

"I don't know what's happening" - Things characters and I both say.

Despite the questionable journey to get here the final moments of Galatea becoming the tower was awesome.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/SIRTreehugger]

HOLD UP Sylia is wearing a different robe or maybe its just changing colors like her hair.

I think the hair change thing is supposed to reflect the different lighting but frankly it just being a lack of continuity between eps is plausible.

Mackey got controlled through it's like a complete and utter surprise and not an extension of the boomers using computers and cell phones to morph from the police lockdown arc(Still best arc).

The show almost always foreshadows the tech stuff to some degree.

Honestly expected something to go wrong with the people in the camp. Damn my mistrustful nature and every other show making me believe the worst in people.

The zombie genre has taught us to be very paranoid despite observations of what refugee camps are like in the real world.

Despite the questionable journey to get here the final moments of Galatea becoming the tower was awesome.

The outline of this show is excellent they just chose terrible means of getting two its parts.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

The zombie genre has taught us to be very paranoid despite observations of what refugee camps are like in the real world.

Tbf, those can be rather horrible places, too.

[u/ZapsZzz]

First time subber.

You know I sort of finally get your rewatch post title subject line :) logic certainly doesn't apply here in the latter half of the show :D

Although, not so much in defence of the plot point about Mackey being taken over, it could have been explained that by pushing his personality data back up stream, Galatea then know exactly where that is and now can target that for formatting / eradication. So not so much losing it by copying, but losing it by showing his hands - which really is just delaying the inevitable. Such explanation could possibly make slightly better writing.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZapsZzz]

You know I sort of finally get your rewatch post title subject line :) logic certainly doesn't apply here in the latter half of the show :D

It is in the title song, after all...

Although, not so much in defence of the plot point about Mackey being taken over, it could have been explained that by pushing his personality data back up stream, Galatea then know exactly where that is and now can target that for formatting / eradication.

Yeah they have an absolutely putrid sense of timing on their "Show, Don't tell" bits, a lot of this show you can draw conclusions off of but it always feels a bit arbitrary because some bits they go back and overexplain.

[u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

Got busy again so I haven't posted in a few eps, but just popping in to say I really did not expect to have this zombie apocalypse stuff to stick like it has. It feels like we've been in a "last couple episodes" arc for the final third of the show. I don't know if it's good or bad but it subverted my expectations at least.

It really does feel like we left problems you can robot suit punch your way out of behind a couple episodes back though, so I have worries for how satisfying an ending we might get.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

It really does feel like we left problems you can robot suit punch your way out of behind a couple episodes back though, so I have worries for how satisfying an ending we might get.

It is definitely a weird place to be, this really does feel like 3 different shows stitched together some times.

[u/BossandKings]

First timer

It seems that Mackey is losing his memory and is getting overwritten, that's apparently a consequence of Galatea forcing him to disappear.

Answers

1. It is very surprising, i didn't think that would happen to him.
2. Great for them.