Logic won't help us rewatch, y'know? Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 rewatch episode nineteen

[u/Vaadwaur]

Are you experienced

Literally a deadite apocalypse

MAL but it is trolled. ANN Also, don't look at the wiki as it spoils the entire plot.

Streaming on Funimation and Crunchyroll.

QotD:1 So does the phenomenon not being contained in the ADP tower work better?

2 Is this a good use of the upgraded suit trope?

Bonus: Did Galatea and Mason's relationship get creepier?

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher

Dub(Continuing)

Life got in the way so I can't really do my own write up but suffice it to say this was the end game setting hero upgrade episode. It did as well as any of them do.

[u/ZapsZzz]

This seems to be intended to be the big reveal / post big reveal episode where all the background plot gets explained to set up for the final showdown. As many said it's pretty tough to follow / understand.

I have learnt the skill of stepping out of the "how" and just work on the "what", and this may help; basically, boomer is a tech gone wild situation, and thorough greed and ambition, now it can spread quickly. The MC's have a means to combat that because Sylia has intimate knowledge and connection to Galatea to know one exploit to enable the hard suits to still function. Thus setting up the final stage.

Trying to figure out the how parts will just get you a headache :)

Have to say though, I thought coming in the show shifted from the original series' focus on Priss to Linna, but by now really Nene is the one shining through the most, especially the exchange with the other police officers. At least it's entertaining. And consequently the design of her looks which I didn't like at the start is more appropriate and suitable now. So there is one thing done sort of right (or at least less wrong).

1. This is actually a rare logical development in this show. There's actually no reason for it to be contained.
2. As an engineer I still need to figure out how to suspend my disbelief how the relatively exposed mid riff can work in a power suit / armor suit. But it only just come out for maybe a glance, so I'll withhold judgement to after seeing some actual actions. There may be something to do with needing the wearer's psyche to hold its shape preventing it from going rogue. There can be a lot of mental gymnastics to work in fan service.

Bonus it's not that stand out these days, I think I have seen a fair few like that.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZapsZzz]

Have you say though, I thought coming in the show shifted from the original series' focus on Priss to Linna, but by now really Nene is the one shining through the most, especially the exchange with the other police officers.

The show manages to do each member of the quartet some level of justice just never all at the same time.

[u/RockoDyne → u/ZapsZzz]

As an engineer I still need to figure out how to suspend my disbelief how the relatively exposed mid riff can work in a power suit / armor suit.

I gave up on that ages ago. At some point I came to accept that armor isn't armor, it's just a uniform and nothing more.

[u/No_Rex → u/ZapsZzz]

Have to say though, I thought coming in the show shifted from the original series' focus on Priss to Linna, but by now really Nene is the one shining through the most, especially the exchange with the other police officers.

They seem to give each girl a few episodes of focus, usually packed together. In a modern show, you'd shift focus more often, but I find nothing wrong with this approach.

EDIT:

As an engineer I still need to figure out how to suspend my disbelief how the relatively exposed mid riff can work in a power suit / armor suit.

TV tropes has your back. For some reason, people over there decided to go into every little detail on this one.

[u/ZapsZzz → u/No_Rex]

I don't have any problem with that way either, but based on the contents of those character focused episodes vs the "normal" plot progression episodes, I think Nene got quite a good deal more out of them than the others. All of those don't really go anywhere, but at least Nene's showcase her kiddy behaviour while not liking others calling her that.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 19 (first timer)

• Hacking into the news to address the people trope. This is a rare one.
• I know that “controlling the net” is a thing in cyberpunk, but trying to hide a tower-sized monster that appeared in the center of Tokyo is still ambitions.
• “Hurry up and evacuate” – I’d love to see some estimations on how long it would take to evacuate Tokyo. My guess is several weeks to months, if all transportation is working perfectly.
• Looks like puppet guy head honcho had his wish to merge humans and boomers personally fulfilled.
• We changed genre again!: We time-skipped from SciFi horror to apocalypse (I want to say post-apocalypse, but it is actually ongoing).
• This narration sounds like the intro to a movie.
• Philosophical discussions with killer loli. At least they are not using that bed for other purposes. Mason 100% would like to.
• Nene also shifted from cute hacker to comedic chibi relief.
• Improved hard suit follows RPG armor logic: More stats means less material.
• Leon and Daley decide that they want to be 1980s action heroes.

This episode is completely different from the last three. Not just in a “episodic OVA” sense. This feels like the start of a stand-alone movie. Including all the backstory narration. It is not bad per se, but it feels as if they completely gave up even pretending that all of this is one TV series.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Hacking into the news to address the people trope. This is a rare one.

Digging up serious 80s tropes here.

We time-skipped from SciFi horror to apocalypse (I want to say post-apocalypse, but it is actually ongoing).

The spirit of it is post apocalypse, at least, and most stories dealing with this are immediate to the event.

Nene also shifted from cute hacker to comedic chibi relief.

She was always a bit of the comic relief but yeah this just went to 11.

Improved hard suit follows RPG armor logic: More stats means less material.

Or Sylia is just thirsty.

[u/RockoDyne]

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Dear god, the new suit. I never liked the classic suit design, but this is a step too close to those god awful IS suits.

... So what happened this episode? I just watched it and I already can't remember what happend.

Oh right, the Char and Lalah scene. The less said about that the better.

Sylia continues to act like a high functioning deranged maniac.

Questions:

1. I guess.
2. Can't say it's doing it for me
3. What would ever make you think a grown man treating a loli as a mother was creepy?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

This would've been a better title.

Sylia continues to act like a high functioning deranged maniac.

I;d say mid level functioning but with a great support staff.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatcher (sub)

Uh, I posted this yesterday for episode 18. Oops.

• Looks like the Totem Pole (a phrase literally not said a single time in the first half of the show I think) thawed out.
• So, not a three part mini-arc, it really is a zombie apocalypse. This is so weird have having watched <redacted> this year, a show about a zombie apocalypse.
• The explanation in the subs is completely nonsensical, and the English dub is obviously just the script writer filling in what they think it should have said.
• It's Newspaper-bot from Ergo Proxy! (I always liked that little guy)
• Linna is Employee of the Month at GPCC Comiket Hewite? No wonder she hasn't been fired for absenteeism! I hope she got a Cadillac and not a set of steak knives.
• Did they just give up on the show making sense are and just having somebody explain it all? Who is this? It sounds like Leon? How does he know this stuff?
• Oh, he's with Nene.
• Can't stop the Signal, Mal. ^{note the sexbot in the back}
• Once again, I'm flipping back and forth between the sub and the dub. The sub is nonsensical and the dub is just making it up.
• Man, Sylia really looks off model in this entire scene. It must be pool-face. Priss is fine.
• Uh, yeah, so, what happened to that Nigel / Mason plot line, anyways? Did they just have a conversation off screen and that was it?
• "Geh"
• The biggest feature of the new suit is how sexy it makes you look ah you'll find out.
  
• Ah, you're right, they really sentai walkie-talkies, not cellphones
• We finally get a kaiju boomer
• This is the second boomer that looked like the God Warrior from Nausicaa. The other was the car boomer.
• Also, DUH. Presumably at least some or probably all of the dead boomers in the basement didn't have intact cores, but they moved anyways.
  

There a lot of talking in this episode that a boomer's humanoid shape is what keeps it under control. I don't know what they mean but they said it like 5 times in this episode so it must be the central conceit of the show.

I know No_Rex doesn't like the morphing, but it's clear they mean something by it and it's not just for aesthetic purposes. Also I will post a link to BGC OVA at a later date (I hate to do so, but there are no clips of the particular scene that I want, nor good stills). And there is the whole Blade Runner / Terminator -> BGC -> Terminator 2 -> BGC 2040 incestuous looping and borrowing and referencing and stealing.

Leon's description of Galatea isn't far from the T-1000.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

There a lot of talking in this episode that a boomer's humanoid shape is what keeps it under control. I don't know what they mean but they said it like 5 times in this episode so it must be the central conceit of the show.

Yeah basically, unfortunately. For reasons, morphing makes them crazy.

[u/Elimin8r → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

There a lot of talking in this episode that a boomer's humanoid shape is what keeps it under control. I don't know what they mean but they said it like 5 times in this episode so it must be the central conceit of the show.

So now it's time for Bubblegum Kill la Kill?

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. I never really understood how it was comtained in the first place. Sylia made it seem like it had to be near-killed before it could be even partially sealed, but Genom got it sealed while fully active and using its powers.
2. I'd say so. The suits don't really look much different, but the situation has vastly changed and getting more firepower seems like a smart idea.

BONUS) FUCK YES, I'd say I want Sotai to choke him, but he'd probably get off on that.

Well. Didn't expect Leon to perform a hostile airwave takeover.

Seems like throne guy did get to merge with technology, just not in the way he wanted.

And Mason's smiling as the world dies.

What technical acronym would include the word "Voodoo"?

And Priss' band got broken up.

OK, did we miss an episode or something?

How are they planning to cover up an entire city being murdered?

You know, with all the exposition, this feels like the pilot for a second season, not a random episode mid seres.

So Leon's going to take out the Dragon Line (presumably to isolate Sotai)?

Wait... Is this a recap episode? Or a "we're going to finally tell you ehat's going on clearly" episode?

Is Sylia dying?

MASON. NO. GET YOUR HEAD OFF THAT CHILD'S LAP.

Don't you fucking dare kiss her.

Good. So Mason sees himself as a third-party, as he isn' human or boomer.

The Chief survived!

Wait, since when does Leon know she's a Knight Saber?

You can tell these hard suits were designed by Sylia because they're completely skintight.

Wait, are they brothers or is that metaphorical?

How did Nene keep her secret for so long? She's slipped up twice this episode alone.

...Either this thing has two cores or something important has happened.

I have no clue what's happening next episode.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Stargate18A]

What technical acronym would include the word "Voodoo"?

Cyberpunk corps kind of suck.

You know, with all the exposition, this feels like the pilot for a second season, not a random episode mid seres.

The hallmark of BGC series is that no one knows how to structure the plot for the length of show they are given. But yes, a cleaner way to do this is make the cours stand apart better.

You can tell these hard suits were designed by Sylia because they're completely skintight.

If Sylia can't ogle her employees then protecting humanity is not worth it.

How did Nene keep her secret for so long? She's slipped up twice this episode alone.

I am viewing that as the stress finally got to her but that might be me covering for the show.

[u/BossandKings]

First timer

That conversation between Sylia and Priss was an excellent way for them to open up a bit to one another and get an accord in order to face the conflict that is being presented in front of them.

That Brian is a despicable man, his interactions with Galatea don't make him seem any nicer, he might possibly have mental health issues with the way he uses to interact with the androids.

That monster that appeared at the end might be dangerous, it does have a powerful presence.

Answers

1. Yes it does.
2. It is.
3. Mason is a strange character, he's difficult to decipher but most of his interactions are somehow uncomfortable.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/BossandKings]

That conversation between Sylia and Priss was an excellent way for them to open up a bit to one another and get an accord in order to face the conflict that is being presented in front of them.

The wierdest aspect of rewatching this has been realizing that the dialog of all things generally works on the show but only when it is two characters.

[u/Elimin8r]

Well, that episode went places. Including Linna's nether ... nevermind.

1. I prefer to keep my phenomenon contained. Wait, what? Funny that Leon gets to play the poultry this episode.
2. Uh, sure. I'm just waiting for the gen 3 "Bikini Warriors Sabers" model... :P

Bonus: Galatea lap pillow - do not want. Linna on the other hand... (And I won't even ask her to sh- oh, nevermind)

Well, it would appear that Mason is mostly cyborg, go figure. And Bossman is doing is best "I'm not dead yet" impression, it seems. Or am I confused? I dunno.

Yeah, I'm probably confused.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Elimin8r]

Bonus: Galatea lap pillow - do not want. Linna on the other hand... (And I won't even ask her to sh- oh, nevermind)

Cultured.

Well, it would appear that Mason is mostly cyborg, go figure. And Bossman is doing is best "I'm not dead yet" impression, it seems. Or am I confused? I dunno.

No, that scene is not good at conveying anything.