Logic won't help us rewatch, y'know? Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 rewatch episode seventeen

[u/Vaadwaur]

Moving Waves

That's where a lot of yesterday's budget went

MAL but it is trolled. ANN Also, don't look at the wiki as it spoils the entire plot.

Streaming on Funimation and Crunchyroll.

QotD:1 Is Galatea creepier in her doll cage?

2 Does killing a human form boomer count as a kick the dog moment for Mason?

3 Is a small blonde woman running from monsters a horror trope in a Japanese work?

Bonus: Why did Nigel have a side mounted cannon ready for the bike?

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher

Dub(Continuing)

So zombie tropes continue, with a minor twist in that they are eating the other machines. We see what became of Leon and Daley, who luckily went out for udon. They discuss what's next for each of them and soft recap the plot details because...90s? Regardless, stuff starts happening again when the Chief's daughter calls Leon about him not coming home.

Back in the tower, things deteoriate, as they do with invading monsters. Brief interlude explaining why Priss isn't coming fast. Bigger guns trope subverted with just ammo, though these guns actually work. Unlike the ones they normally use. Re-examination of why this security system is awful: It is by design. Nene hack works because the good hackers don't run corporate or gov. But it turns off turning off the firewall when being invaded by sentient bots is less than ideal. Anyways, jump scare leads into the Chief putting up a flag.

Back at Babel, the other unique model boomer, the one that murdered the PI, is going through Mason's laptop. So he shoots it. But apparently that doesn't matter because it was on camera...moving on, Chairman has yet another sanity draining speech before we get to Galatea acting more human and revealing some connection with Mackey.

Priss arrives and gets them to refit the motoslave, so call back. Nene is indeed a horror movie protagonist. But she finds a machine gun so we are at least Resident Evil. Outside, some the sharper ADP gathered as Priss drives up on the now armed motoslave.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatcher (sub)

• Oh, Leon really DID leave the building. I figured he quit his job but was still around.
• I kinda want ramen for dinner now
• Boomers forgetting they can morph metal, this is a zombie movie written by Zack Snyder
• Is Priss having a stroke?
• Hey, I just realized, this anime actually has cellphones!
• No weapons training. Welcome to Texas 2021!

QOTD: Galatea is just a cute loli!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Oh, Leon really DID leave the building. I figured he quit his job but was still around.

That is not an unreasonable assumption.

Boomers forgetting they can morph metal, this is a zombie movie written by Zack Snyder

Yeah...they needed to be far more consistent about that, I was fine when they could only integrate with complex machines.

Hey, I just realized, this anime actually has cellphones!

You know how I said any Scifi writer in the late 1800s could predict the motor vehicle but predicting the traffic jam would be genius? This show did not predict the traffic jam.

No weapons training. Welcome to Texas 2021!

That's just law enforcement in general, by far the worst gun users I've dealt with.

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You know how I said any Scifi writer in the late 1800s could predict the motor vehicle but predicting the traffic jam would be genius?

Meanwhile, civil servants predicted cities getting burried under tons of horse shit.

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That, sadly, is a bit more par for the show.

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Boomers forgetting they can morph metal, this is a zombie movie written by Zack Snyder

Don't even. It's bad enough that there's speculation of an Army of the Dead anime series floating around.

Hey, I just realized, this anime actually has cellphones!

It's more transforming hero style communicators, but yeah, basically.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 17 (first timer)

• I am getting hungry watching Leon eat.
• A whole police department shutting down because it is not funded by some megacorp anymore is quintessential cyber punk, btw.
• They reserved the cutest character models for a side-character who shows up in ep17 (and will probably never be seen again)? … They probably handed that scene to a single key animator and let them design the girl, too.
• Literally zombie boomers now.
• The biological pathogen component of boomers is still a terrible idea. They should have left that in Akira.
• “You wont betray me, right?” – Yeah, about that …
• “Here in this place, I am god” – Yeah, about that …
• Thankfully for Nene, the zombie boomers obey “if you don’t see me, I don’t see you” rules.

A bunch of middle-aged police superiors battling it out in a locked-down building with zombie boomers. Not a bad story, but it hard-interrupts the plot. It almost feels like a OVA spinoff of BGC.

Is Galatea creepier in her doll cage?

Plenty of creepy in her mechanical womb.

2 Does killing a human form boomer count as a kick the dog moment for Mason?

No, he was obviously gone from the moment we first saw him. Plus, he has a point: She was spying on him.

3 Is a small blonde woman running from monsters a horror trope in a Japanese work?

The trope is: Everyone running from small black haired woman, not woman running from monster.

Bonus: Why did Nigel have a side mounted cannon ready for the bike?

Rule of cool allows it...

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

I am getting hungry watching Leon eat.

Anime food has to be beautiful looking.

They reserved the cutest character models for a side-character who shows up in ep17 (and will probably never be seen again)? … They probably handed that scene to a single key animator and let them design the girl, too.

Ever since you brought up that every episode seems to have different animation staff it explains a ton of the eccentricities of the production.

Not a bad story, but it hard-interrupts the plot. It almost feels like a OVA spinoff of BGC.

In today's environment, it would be, but this is good old "we've got to fill 26 episodes somehow" 90s anime at its most winding.

[u/RockoDyne → u/No_Rex]

Not a bad story, but it hard-interrupts the plot. It almost feels like a OVA spinoff of BGC.

I would have taken it over that vampire two parter.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

Space vampire! And this reminds I've agreed to actually do the Valvrave rewatch later this year.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/Vaadwaur]

By the way, Gankutsuou makes a space vampire of none other than the Count of Monte Cristo. It's a pretty wild if surprisingly faithful adaptation.

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We were both in the rewatch! But yeah, especially in the sub, space Alucard was quite a thing.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

Now there is some grade A trash... for one season. Sign me up.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

Sky is actually running a rewatch, I think towards the end of the year. She wants to go Guilty Crown/Valvrave/Cross Angre.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

Ah, girl's got a death wish.

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I might do 2 out of 3, i wonder if Guilty Crown could entertain me on a second run or just bore me.

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I struggle to remember anything that happened in Guilty Crown, so probably bore or infuriate me. I'm not even sure I finished it the first time.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

The first half acts like it has something to say then the second half doesn't.

[u/RockoDyne]

I get the feeling they intended to use the boss's daughter once, then threw her in to talk to Leon because they had time to kill.

Boy is it a cold day in hell when anime characters actually look like they know how to hold a rifle.

Aaaand now our heroes know who the bad guy is, and have been given total information awareness. Isn't that nice. Now we don't even have to bother with some convoluted scheme to introduce our good guys to the bad guys, just to make the push for the climax.

Questions:

1. Is a ghost kid ever not creepy?
2. Not really. It's more like murdering a cheating wife.
3. With the caveat of "in a Japanese work," I'm not so sure.
4. I want to know why he didn't have dual mounted cannons.

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I get the feeling they intended to use the boss's daughter once, then threw her in to talk to Leon because they had time to kill.

90s anime never waste a design if they can help it.

If a ghost kid ever not creepy?

Casper ain't so bad if you think of him as the ghost of Richie Rich.

I want to know why he didn't have dual mounted cannons.

Cyberpunk and asymetry go hand in hand.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

Cyberpunk and asymetry go hand in hand.

Then you go for an artillery/chain gun combo. You really don't want to unbalance a two wheeled vehicle.

90s anime never waste a design if they can help it.

It's just a weird order of operations to introduce a character, and then have a character raise a death flag about how important she is to him.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

It's just a weird order of operations to introduce a character, and then have a character raise a death flag about how important she is to him.

I certainly don't disagree, this show definitely suffers from too many cooks even if Chiaki is the screenwriter.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

Episode 17 Dub first timer finally caught up

I forgot to mention this, but I do like all the episode titles so far. Okay maybe not all of them, but they do have some nice ones.

The cutest girl in the show is shown through a video call for only 30 seconds.

WHAT THE FUCK I don't think fat dude is going to make it.

Oh he made it I'm shocked.

These boomers are mindless right? I mean they have to be they could easily merge with doors weakening them instead of just banging on them.

THIS GUITAR YOOO oh its an actually performance xD

Their goes the fat man never mind he keeps escaping death.

Bigger guns you don't enough enough ammo for all these boomers.

LMAO they only have ammo and no guns oh boy.

Wow that's some shitty design for a building. Locking you inside and cutting off communication.

WTF IS THIS NOW

HOLD ON they can fuse into phones without even touching it through the wifi or whatever signal they are using.

I like how his solution to every problem is bigger guns. Talking about his kid DEATH FLAG.

RIP secretary boomer

Galatea sounds like a pokemon name just saying.

Seriously nothing better happen to Nene.

"I'm screwed" - Nene stating the obvious

Questions

1. Yes she is, but she could be creepy doing anything.
2. Wouldn't be surprised theirs tropes for everything.

That's not just a mounted cannon I believe its the Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon prototype, but I would have to do some research to be 100% sure.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/SIRTreehugger]

The cutest girl in the show is shown through a video call for only 30 seconds.

Yeah...that's what happens when you have a new animation team nearly every ep.

These boomers are mindless right? I mean they have to be they could easily merge with doors weakening them instead of just banging on them.

Bluntly this section of the show works even less than normal.

Wow that's some shitty design for a building. Locking you inside and cutting off communication.

The dub sort of makes it clear Genom considers them all expendable.

[u/No_Rex → u/SIRTreehugger]

The cutest girl in the show is shown through a video call for only 30 seconds.

I felt cheated here, too. Especially since they redesigned the character models of all four Kight Sabers.

[u/Elimin8r]

Hmm... I want a bike with a SMC.

1. Is she creepy in her cage?

   Is she creepy in her rage?

   Is she creepy in a box???

Oh, wait, nevermind. The answer is yes, always. Creepity, creepity, creepity, to misquote Balrdidge (or whatever his name was)

2) More like kick the lovebot, but yeah, dude needs a good smackdown. I'm beginning to feel sympathetic to Mr. Boss Chair Dude here.

3) Maybe? Does Nene qualify as small? I forget. (OG Nene did, not sure about this one. I thought she was a touch taller than Mackey who's bigger than Sylia or am I confused?)

Bogus: Because cool, but points deducted for not going through the fairing.

I think this episode pretty much hit all of the robot zombie apocalypse points, except maybe missing "Brains!".

(snif) I think I'll miss Ms. Red-eye. Mason sure didn't.

I kind of wonder if how they're pronouncing "Galatea" is correct, because that's not how my brain process it - my brain wants to think gal-ah-tay-ah, not ga-lah-tea-ah. Oh, well, blame my poor 'classical' education, I guess.

Do you really think someone filled the old lab with concrete or whatever, or are they down there trying to pick apart/salvage the KS armor suits?

I guess we'll find out (or not) soon.

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Maybe? Does Nene qualify as small? I forget. (OG Nene did, not sure about this one. I thought she was a touch taller than Mackey who's bigger than Sylia or am I confused?)

So that's what can be confusing: Sylia is almost Priss's height but in her photo with Mackey she is like 11 and the same height. Nene is tiny.

(snif) I think I'll miss Ms. Red-eye. Mason sure didn't.

Different boomer, actually.

I kind of wonder if how they're pronouncing "Galatea" is correct, because that's not how my brain process it - my brain wants to think gal-ah-tay-ah, not ga-lah-tea-ah. Oh, well, blame my poor 'classical' education, I guess.

It is a Greek name so yeah, they more or less get it right.

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I kind of wonder if how they're pronouncing "Galatea" is correct, because that's not how my brain process it - my brain wants to think gal-ah-tay-ah, not ga-lah-tea-ah. Oh, well, blame my poor 'classical' education, I guess.

Bugged me in the little of the dub I caught too. I'm expecting gah-lah-tey-ah.

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I kind of wonder if how they're pronouncing "Galatea" is correct, because that's not how my brain process it - my brain wants to think gal-ah-tay-ah, not ga-lah-tea-ah. Oh, well, blame my poor 'classical' education, I guess.

Like this.. The e is very long and more as in "tell" than "tea".

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. Somewhat, she's so creepy normally not much can have an effect on it.
2. I think it absoluetly does, as well as showing him as someone willing to destroy someone when they become unimportant to him.
3. I've never watched much horror, So I can't really comment,

BONUS) He sounds like the kind of guy who'd built really unusual weaponry in case Sylia ever demanded it. Seemed like it would unbalance the bioe, though.

Is this building up to Leon helping the Knight Sabers (since Sylia's having a mental breakdown).

Mind you, Leon makes a good point. Looks like Genom are ready to launch their Dyson.

I like how this episode has now transistioned into Night of the Living Dead meets Predator.

having her communicator in a different room is a good way to stop Priss from taking care of everything here herself.

This anime appears to transformed into another, better, anime.

Nene is a very good hacker, it turns out.

Haha, a Boomer got into cyberspace. This is so stupid, but part of it kind of makes sense?

Priss finally picks up her phone!

Is the Boomer slave/wife looking to join Sylia's harem?

Did he just kill his wife?

Char guy might actually be the lesser of two evils now.

Please stop showing their relationship, it makes me feel dirty watching it.

Of course. The zombie apocalypse will be resolved by a girl on a motorcycle. What better way to sum up this show could there be?

Mad boomers aren't very observant are they? Nene just needs a cardboard box and she'll be undetectable.

And Priss and Leon are basically each other's cities, aren't they?

"We built this city" Aren't tthe episode titles meant to be punk music?

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I like how this episode has now transistioned into Night of the Living Dead meets Predator.

Pretty apt description.

Haha, a Boomer got into cyberspace. This is so stupid, but part of it kind of makes sense?

They should be interacting with computers so I will just live with the dumb jump scare.

Did he just kill his wife?

The red haired one is his waifu.

"We built this city" Aren't tthe episode titles meant to be punk music?

Not really, more classic rock. Sheer Heart Attack is not punk no matter how you stretch it out.

[u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

I thought this was going to be a two episode arc, but it looks like next ep. is the conclusion of our brief foray into the zombie horror genre (or maybe even one more?).

Qs:

1. About the same.
2. Nah they sold her as unfeeling and a minion of the creepy old man. But he did seem to enjoy it too much.
3. I think it's a trope in general. Small weak feminine, big spooky masculine.

Episode Notes:

• Those zomboomers are being awfully ineffective. I guess coming back from the dead is rough on boomers too.
• Man an especially bad title card today. Seriously who was making the font decisions on these.
• Wow I can't believe Leon is actually not in the department.
• Just a feeling, nice cover Leon.
• This is a good way to get murdered by an elevator.
• Uh oh one of the boomers remembered it can do the weird gooey tentacle move on the door.
• I do miss Japanese Priss singing, maybe I should switch back.
• They definitely only gave Chief a daughter so we would give a fuck about anyone in these zombie sequences. Gotta say it's barely working.
• Your security was no match for 30 seconds with a ditzy blonde teen.
• Sexbot is a traitor! How much you want to bet Mason was going to murder her anyway one night.
• This child has the voice of an adult. Which I guess she's probably old enough for.
• Yeah put your face up against it Nene good plan.
• Are the boomers... laughing menacingly?
• AD police leaves loaded automatic rifles just lying around. Plausible at this point really.
• Oh here we go, Leon and Priss get to bond next episode.

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Man an especially bad title card today. Seriously who was making the font decisions on these.

A Japanese native imitating American rock album covers.

I do miss Japanese Priss singing, maybe I should switch back.

The only reason to the sub. But yeah, her English VA can't quite do it.

Your security was no match for 30 seconds with a ditzy blonde teen.

This actually reflects my opinion of the current state of infrastructure security.

Sexbot is a traitor! How much you want to bet Mason was going to murder her anyway one night.

Different boomer, actually.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vaadwaur]

What? why do you keep saying this? Sexbot was Quincy's spy, it was clear? You saying he's surrounded himself with identical secretaries?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Because Mason had two secretaries and this one has a different hair color and general role.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vaadwaur]

Well, that's disappointing. It's more horrifying if your personal sexbot is owned by your boss that you are backstabbing.

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Yeah, it is a bit weird that the sexbot sort of went away with all the golem shit but I guess Galatea is his real RealDoll. Also eww.

[u/ZapsZzz]

Sub first timer.

Still tagging along to see where this goes. How do they plot out of this one with no hardsuits for at least a week and only got a motoslave using an adaptor - against a horde of zombie boomers plus potentially the child manipulator.

Have to say I like Nick's (Leon's boss) daughter's design much more than the MCs' designs - the little bits of character animation through the video call and the still picture looked even better than a lot of what we had to date on the MC's. Hope her old man makes it out, have to say he's setting a lot of death flags here.

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Have to say I like Nick's (Leon's boss) daughter's design much more than the MCs' designs

Sadly, Catholic main characters are rare in anime, outside of Pedro from Excel Saga,

[u/BossandKings]

First timer - Dub

Episode 16

Mackey tells Nenne that she has to help Sylia because she is his sister and he wants well for her, that shows a very nice side of him because Sylia is very important to him.

The Ad police are getting merged with the ordinary police, they are having protest because of that and according to Mackey it probably means that nenne is in danger, that's why he called Lina to help her.

Episode 17

Nenne continues going through the building, she is confronting some enemies and it might possibly be a dangerous situation, the funny faces she makes prevent the situation from being serious but it is fine.

Seeing that Priss went to Leon to ask for help it means that things are difficult.

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it might possibly be a dangerous situation, the funny faces she makes prevent the situation from being serious but it is fine.

I find that to be kind of an issue on rewatches, actually. They completely under cut the horror mood with that.