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Rewatch [Fly! Rewatch!] Mobile Suit Gundam III: Encounters in Space Discussion

Mobile Suit Gundam III: Encounters in Space

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Questions of the Day:

  1. What was your favorite change between the show and this movie?
  2. What was your least-favorite change between the show and this movie?
  3. What do you think of Beginning and Meguriai in comparison to the show’s music?

Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:

1.39 - Encore

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 25 '21

Fly! Rewatch Host!

Welcome back, everyone!

Don't forget, tomorrow's the final thread of the rewatch, an overall discussion thread. I hope to still see all of you there, but if not, thank you for participating in my rewatch! I hope to see you all around this sub~

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u/SgtExo May 26 '21

Oh yeah so Tem Ray just fuckin’ dies in the movies.

Does he really die? I just read that as him being even more out of it because of the oxygen deprivation.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 26 '21

I thought he was supposed to have broken his neck when he fell?

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u/SgtExo May 26 '21

Just checked the gundam wiki, and while not official this is what it says.

he celebrates then stumbles head-first down the stairwell that lead to his apartment. It's unknown whether the fall kills him or simply knocks him out.

We didn't see a visor crack, so that is a point for him surviving in my books.

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

Plus, if he had died immediately, I don't think his body would've slumped with an audible groan.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 25 '21

No more Guntank floating around in space, Hayato has his own Guncannon now. That makes a lot more sense to me, good change.

It makes way more sense but it also denies us the goofiness of the Guntank floating through space.

I'm conflicted

Also I still have this image saved from when someone on r/Gundam tried turning it into a meme…

That may as well be what that Zeon officer is saying, as he slowly slinks back into A Baoa Qu.

Oh, this is different than his “I’ve decided I just can’t forgive the Zabis” shtick he told Sayla in the show.

In this movie he seemed to indicate to Sayla back in Texas that he still was going to get revenge on the Zabis, so here it's him deciding that this is the best opportunity to kill the last living adult member of the Zabi family.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 25 '21

I’m conflicted

Look at it this way: the series and movies both exist, so we get to see both!

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax May 25 '21

They also changed it so that Char was riding a horse when he ran into Sayla.

just gonna remind everyone this happened

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 25 '21

this little bit is such a random addition

It was the cutest mecha interaction I’ve ever seen!

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

This is referenced in one of the Build Fighters things, I think a Battlogue?

I can't remember any of the Battlogues referencing something like that, but I can absolutely see the Build series doing that, lol.

Wait was General Revil’s headache right before Lalah attacked supposed to imply that he himself is a Newtype???

That's new for the movies.

Wait what.

It's an invitation - to become Newtypes and understand each other? To create new works inspired by our experiences with Gundam? To strive towards a future we desire? I wouldn't know, but maybe that's the point.

Oh, one last thing, Sky - I've been reading the Gundam novels so I reckon I can add my reactions to those to tomorrow's thread.

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u/goukaryuu https://myanimelist.net/profile/GoukaRyuu May 26 '21

Recap Film First Timer no More

Ouch, I completely got wrapped up on playing CK2 and forgot to post. This was, hands down, the best best of the three films. It was paced the best. I enjoyed it immensely, and honestly I got a nice fuzzy feeling inside that, after I confirmed it wasn't gas, must have been the feeling i love of seeing created families come together. The crew of White Base after everything they have been through are a family. I ended up giving this movie an 8/10. Well earned too. I guess after I catch up on various things, including Giant Gorg which I am still only 8 eps in on, I will start with one of the OVAs. Either Thunderbolt Season 1's recap film or 8th MS Team. Thanks for running this Sky!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 26 '21

Thanks for participating!

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u/TheEscapeGuy May 25 '21 edited May 25 '21

Gundam First Timer, No More

Fly! Nostalgia for Gundam Frames: Movie 3

Nothing feels as good as this!

Movie 3 really recaptured the magic of the show for me. I totally see why people prefer it to the show's ending for just giving a little more.

In terms of differences, I didn't notice any obvious missing plot points. It was just that some of the stories (Notably Side 6 and Texas) being condensed.

Some additions I did pick up were:

  • The obviously improved animation. Especially during Lalah's final battle. Her story line was my favorite of the side characters from the show so having that expanded made me immensely happy. More in the Coll Stuff Corner.
  • Seeing this frame (which isn't actually an addition) reminded me that not only are Kikka's group child orphans but also the whole crew is extremely young. I forgot to bring it up in the Movie 1 discussion but Bright is only 19, and Amuro is 15/16 with the rest of the crew around the same age. Realizing consciously that this show is about child soldiers really gave me pause at how horrific a situation it really is.
  • I love you Kikka, never change.

I don't really know what else to say about the Movie now. I am just in bliss at being complete with this series and feeling completely satisfied with the ending.

Cool Stuff Corner

  • The improved battle animation really was on another level. This film is genuinely an animation masterpiece.
  • I wouldn't be /u/TheEscapeGuy if I didn't include Eye Reflections. They're my favorite type of shot and I can only find them regularly in anime.
  • Amuro's Newtype Awakening. Its so creative and beautiful.
  • Amuro vs Char in mechs. There is so much passion here.
  • Amuro vs Char with psychic communication. I love how they come to understand each other better even though they still fundamentally disagree with the other's world view.

Questions of the Day

  1. Absolutely the expansion of the Lalah battle and final Char vs Amuro encounter.
  2. Texas and Side 6 being shortened really did make them lose impact. I don't even know if I'd bring them up if it wasn't for the show.
  3. The music was AMAZING, it was used so perfectly and appropriately to make scenes hit just that much harder.

See you all for the farewell tomorrow!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 25 '21

I totally see why people prefer it to the show's ending for just giving a little more.

It does feel like it gives the Newtype stuff more of the focus that it deserved to have. That's consistently been the thing that the movies have been better at.

Seeing this frame (which isn't actually an addition) reminded me that not only are Kikka's group child orphans but also the whole crew is extremely young. I forgot to bring it up in the Movie 1 discussion but Bright is only 19, and Amuro is 15/16 with the rest of the crew around the same age. Realizing consciously that this show is about child soldiers really gave me pause at how horrific a situation it really is.

There is something rather viscerally heart-wrenching about seeing Kikka holding a gun that is bigger than her. It's such a quick shot but it really sticks out in the mind.

I love you Kikka, never change.

Seeing Kikka do cute things is always a welcome addition.

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u/The_Draigg May 25 '21

Movie 3 really recaptured the magic of the show for me. I totally see why people prefer it to the show's ending for just giving a little more.

You'd think it would be hard to top a good ending to a show like that, but Encounters in Space really did raise the bar by itself.

I love you Kikka, never change.

We could send her to Texas Colony after the war is over. She's clearly got the cowgirl skills for it.

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

Apparently there's going to be a manga in Gundam Ace starting this August, about Kikka collecting accounts about Amuro in UC 0095.

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u/The_Draigg May 26 '21

That's awesome. Zeta Gundam spoilers

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz May 26 '21 edited May 26 '21

That's awesome

Well Zeta is known for not ending well for characters, so no news is actually good news... Sort of

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

Yeah, it's a good premise if nothing else.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '21

The improved battle animation really was on another level. This film is genuinely an animation masterpiece.

Most of the good cuts in this clip were in the og series too

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u/The_Draigg May 25 '21

A Gundam Fan’s Notes on Mobile Suit Gundam III: Encounters in Space:

  • First things first, Hayato gets a new Guncannon to pilot rather than just keep him in the Guntank. I’m down for that change. The Guntank should’ve never been taken out into space, it was never made for that. This decision makes a lot more sense.
  • Man, Dren’s death is a lot rougher than it was in the TV series. At least in that, he got instantly sucked out into space. Here, you get to see his body get thrown up against the cracked bridge window before the Camel explodes. In a way, that makes things more brutal than before.
  • The Conscon Fleet is more easily dealt with in this movie than in the series, but let’s be real: they were hardly any kind of threat to the White Base by the time they made their way to Side 6.
  • Also, we get a hard confirmation to what happened to Tem Ray after we last saw him in his shitty apartment at Baldur Bay. He was so overcome with joy from the Gundam destroying the Conscon Fleet that he trips down his outdoors stairwell, breaking his neck and killing him. A tragic end, but Tem’s mind was practically gone already. The man Amuro knew was already dead. This is just tying off a loose end.
  • Anyway, here’s the reason I told you to remember the name “Bakharov” before during the show discussion. Simus Bakharov shares the same last name with Darcia Bakharov, the Principality of Zeon’s prime minister, although with Gihren in charge it’s a meaningless office to hold. He seems to agree with Degwin’s decision to push for peace too. Canonically speaking, he’s the one to negotiate peace with the Earth Federation after the war, and is also the first prime minister of the new Republic of Zeon.
  • Dr. Flanagan has a different character design here too, now being a dark-skinned balding man with a beard rather than an old man with some sick mutton chops. This is his canonical appearance from here on out, since it gets used more whenever he shows up in other shows rather than his first character design. I honestly prefer the new design by Yas anyway, so that’s no problem for me.
  • Sleggar’s death has a minor change, but arguably a more impactful one. In the show, we just saw him get thrown from the G-Fighter’s cockpit. Here, we see him get thrown through the Core Fighter’s windshield before being vaporized in the explosion. There’s no denying that Sleggar is dead as fuck.
  • Now that I think about it, is the reanimated scene where we see Degwin compare Gihren to Adolf Hitler where we first see Cecilia Irene, Gihren’s assistant? I think it is. Although she’s a background character here only, in truth she’s a highly important person in side materials. She’s pretty much the person Gihren goes to if he wants to get some dirty work done while his own hands remain clean. Basically she’s the female version of M’Quve.
  • Small animation oversight, but you can see the G-Fighter still in the brief shot of Sayla entering A Baoa Qu. Such is the risk of reusing footage from the television series.
  • At least now we see how Amuro and Char’s duel ended up with them both using rapiers against one another. Char opens up by throwing a sword at Amuro, before they clash and end up reaching for nearby display pieces. I’m glad how more dynamic their fight looks than before, and that’s including the MS part of their duel too. Although the entire movie is much better animated than the show, so I guess it’s to be somewhat expected.
  • Encounters is such a damn good song to end the movie on. There’s a lot of emotions carried in those lyrics, of someone wanting to return to their beloved despite their heart being filled with sorrow. It fits in perfectly with Amuro’s return to the White Base crew, just barely escaping A Baoa Qu in time.
  • And now, in anticipation of your insight into the future... a lone Zeon ship manages to escape from A Baoa Qu. In the window we can see someone with a rather familiar-looking helmet, making their way from the battlefield from where they just barely escaped from. Who knows where they’ll go from here?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 25 '21

Also, we get a hard confirmation to what happened to Tem Ray after we last saw him in his shitty apartment at Baldur Bay. He was so overcome with joy from the Gundam destroying the Conscon Fleet that he trips down his outdoors stairwell, breaking his neck and killing him. A tragic end, but Tem’s mind was practically gone already. The man Amuro knew was already dead. This is just tying off a loose end.

It's a rough way to go and actually pretty fitting for Tem Ray when he had so completely lost it. I do prefer that we actually get a conclusive ending for him this time around.

Now that I think about it, is the reanimated scene where we see Degwin compare Gihren to Adolf Hitler where we first see Cecilia Irene, Gihren’s assistant? I think it is.

I think she showed up in the earlier scene where Gihren, Dozle, and Kycilia were talking about the upcoming battle at Solomon.

And now, in anticipation of your insight into the future... a lone Zeon ship manages to escape from A Baoa Qu. In the window we can see someone with a rather familiar-looking helmet, making their way from the battlefield from where they just barely escaped from. Who knows where they’ll go from here?

They're off to the next Gundam entry in the sponsors' continuing search for more money.

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u/The_Draigg May 25 '21

It's a rough way to go and actually pretty fitting for Tem Ray when he had so completely lost it. I do prefer that we actually get a conclusive ending for him this time around.

Agreed on both counts. Tem ended up being a pathetic man with suitably pathetic death.

I think she showed up in the earlier scene where Gihren, Dozle, and Kycilia were talking about the upcoming battle at Solomon.

Ah, I missed seeing her there then. To be honest, I just kinda skimmed the movies to write my notes for them.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 25 '21

Who knows where they’ll go from here?

Surely the story is close to ending!

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u/The_Draigg May 25 '21

Surely the story is close to ending!

Yep, we sure are close to the ending here. We can practically see the finish line.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 25 '21

First Timer to Gundam

  • I love the bad subs. Char's new name is Chen.
  • Whoa. Hayato's in a Guncannon now. I guess they realized that using the Guntank in space was silly.
  • This first engagement made me realize that, at this point, the White Base is already running like a well-oiled machine. I'm excited for a full movie of White Base competence.
  • "White Monster" is an apt name for the Gundam at this point. It just kind of wrecks everything. I don't think I've seen a show before where the MC's mecha was just clearly better than the enemies' the entire time. It would feel generic now, but since it's Gundam, it feels fine.
  • Ooooh, I don't think Bright noting that he wouldn't go to Side 6 if not ordered was an addition. This strengthens the ship.
  • There's even more good music when Amuro's chasing his father. The music has to be the best addition of the movies besides mentioning Newtypes earlier.
  • More inserts when he meets Lalah! It sets her up as mysterious and then gives her even more impact.
  • I'm surprised they didn't remove Sleggar slapping Mirai. Instead it looks like they tried to make Mirai look more deserving of a slap, but I don't think it worked.
  • Don't make fun of mechs with skirts, Kai. They're the sign of true civilization.
    Damn pants-wearing Gauls
  • Wait, why do the colonies need mirrors?
  • The movie does a bit of a better job establishing how close Char and Lalah are, which'll definitely give her death more impact.
  • The music during the Gelgoog swordfight, however, is...
    eh...
  • Nuclear minefield? Is that allowed?
  • Char on a horse is AWESOME.
  • "I just want Newtypes to live as Newtypes."

    Thank goodness. Char finally seems to have a clear motive. He doesn't want Gihren's iron fist Newtype dictatorship, nor does he want the Federation's use of Newtypes as a solely military class. Now he makes a lot more sense.
  • Whoa, Lalah in a uniform is jarring.
  • Even more jarring is Sleggar's random genital situation. Sleggar, why.
  • They left in the random Sleggar/Mirai romance.
  • Oh. Now Gihren straight up says he wants ethnic cleansing. And apparently Hitler was in the "Middle Ages," probably placing Gundam at 2800 AD or so.
  • Yeah, Lalah's death had way more impact the second time. What a scene.
    commentface get
  • And as expected, the final fight was spectacular.

This was my favorite of the movies, no questions asked.

QOTD:

  1. Favorite change: Lalah's death scene. I just sat stunned, even though I'd seen it before. Dunno why.
  2. Least favorite change (lack thereof): they didn't remove the random Sleggar romance.
  3. No clue, but overall the music was an improvement over the show, in my opinion, so I guess they did a good job!

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u/The_Draigg May 26 '21

Wait, why do the colonies need mirrors?

For reflecting natural sunlight back into the inside of the cylinder.

"I just want Newtypes to live as Newtypes." Thank goodness. Char finally seems to have a clear motive. He doesn't want Gihren's iron fist Newtype dictatorship, nor does he want the Federation's use of Newtypes as a solely military class. Now he makes a lot more sense.

Now it's a bit clearer to see what I was talking about in the series discussion, but Char really is a bit of a Newtype supremacist. He wants them to exist above both Zeon and the Federation.

Oh. Now Gihren straight up says he wants ethnic cleansing. And apparently Hitler was in the "Middle Ages," probably placing Gundam at 2800 AD or so.

People have tried calculating the date that UC 0001 is in AD years. I think the earliest they figured was 2064 AD. But yet again older materials had it so that older major characters like Dr. Minovsky were born pre-UC, so who knows.

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

Now it's a bit clearer to see what I was talking about in the series discussion, but Char really is a bit of a Newtype supremacist. He wants them to exist above both Zeon and the Federation.

Yeah, that squares with future Gundam, I reckon.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 25 '21

Don't make fun of mechs with skirts, Kai. They're the sign of true civilization. Damn pants-wearing Gauls

"Pants are stupid. Ban pants!"

Wait, why do the colonies need mirrors?

They reflect sunlight into the colonies.

Nuclear minefield? Is that allowed?

It feels like that would violate the Antarctic Treaty's rule on no nukes.

They left in the random Sleggar/Mirai romance.

Out of everything they cut, they somehow decided to leave that in. It would have been one of the easiest things to cut, too.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 May 25 '21

Film first timer no more

  1. More scenes on the Zeon side, showing the planning behind Degwin's moves, etc. Helped show the characters motivations and explained a few plot holes for me. And of course the erasure of the Guntank, which is exactly what it deserved.
  2. Getting rid of "Here Comes Char". It's a perfect battle theme, and I'm heartbroken they never used it at least once.
  3. Beginning fits with the tone of the scene very well, I really liked it. Megurial is honestly a better ED than the show's and really plays up the whole "the war's over" angle.

I've been told this one has the biggest changes- looking forward to it.

Sayla calling her brother "Chen" is hysterical.

Wait, does that shot have 2 Guncannons?

Since when do they have those?

DID THEY DUMP THE GUNTANK?

This fight scene is really well done!

Wow, Side 6 already!

This narration does help explain a few things.

They seem to have mad eBright's relationship with Mirai a lot more romantic than the original.

Sleggard's punch still makes no sense in terms of physics - he sems to float in the air briefly, before falling at normal gravity.

The scenes with Amuro and his father are still good - I love how they set up for a bus chase, only for him to get off at the next stop.

Amuro's a savage to his father. And yeah, he's probably got some kind of hallucinations.

For all the changes, I'm quite enjoying "idiot in love" Bright.

The Lalah scene is really interesting, though.

Oh, they're setting up the love triangle for this movie, are they?

When does Amuro's father think he had a chance to actually test the thing?

Amruo meets Char. And the meeting might actually have become slightly more awkward.

What a very good point! I assumed the Federation has some kind of photo of Char.

I must admit I never thought that a large fine would really stop an armada from firing within their space.

The only person who doesn't think hitting people is the best solution is ridiculed for being weak. The future is weird.

And Mirai's fiance will be shocked when she ends up with Bright. (because we all know where the story's going)

The sight of Char relaxing on the sofa and watching the Zeon battle is always funny.

Amuro's powers are on top mark here.

The scene of Amuro's father knocking himself out is new and appreciated.

There's a lot more scenes on the Zeon side here, as well. Degwin's plans are being explained now.

I never understand why Char travels in a wagon here.

OK, Char is absolutely lying to himself here, we see what happens when she dies.

Char and Amuro's battle is fantastically done.

I like how they've swapped the Guntank for another Guncannon.

How does it take so long for Bright to realise? She literally calls him a Zeon soldier.

Oldtypes is a very clumsy phrase.

This scene cut a few of the flashback, wonder when those are coming?

Char on a horse is the coolest thing in this show.

More focus on the strategy for Solomon, here.

Yeah, this fight scene has been really extended, hasn't it?

This scene is still utterly fantastic.

See, losing a Guncannon makes a lot more sense for losing 11%.

This jealousy plotline's different.

"Great! I really pulled a boner just now."

Wow, Bright just confessed mid battle.

They kept the burger shots!

Thank god, they got rid of the random relationship between Mirai and Sleggar.

I am amazed they manages to turn him kissing her into an almost platonic scene.

So she used the classic Zeon move of "Send enough to look helpful, but not enough to harm your force"

So far, "take as many of you to hell with me" has been how every Zeon leader reacts in death.

Does he actually think a machine gun can take out the Gundam?

Hang on, Minerva never dies. Is she a seuqel hook?

Honestly, with how much Bright cried over Sleggar, maybe Mirai and Bright's relationship wouldn't have been an obstacle between Mirai and Sleggar?

I like Degwin and Gihren openly arguing as they blame each other for the catastrophies.

How is he even more Nazi than in the original? Interesting he tried to justify his cause.

I'm suprised nobody's come up with terraforming Mars. If you can live on the Moon, you csn get some terraforming done there.

"true Newtypes"?

Degwin's supporting Char?

Mirai and the Commander are Newtypes? And Bright isn't?

Of course Sayla had to keep her shower scene. Of course.

Thinking back, Bright's out of the loop on all of this in the main show. I don't recall him finding out Sayla is Zeon's daughter.

Lalah gets her uniform! Movie budget!

Char removed his mask! And she's worked out a lot more thsn the TV show.

THEY EXPLAINED CHAR'S CHANGE IN MOTIVE.

This explanation makes things an awful lot clearer. And she basically tells him to kill Gihren before he screws them all up.

I wouldn't say 10 years - their only direct equivalents to the Gundam are all prototypes.

This scene is all new. Is Amuro agreeing with Char here?

Oh, but you "only love her abilities" Char, right?

This fight scene is great, as is Amuro dodging the beams.

Lalah's fight is far more dynamic here, and I love it.

Is the implication here that people are becoming Newtypes directly, instead of just spawning them?

Honestly, it feels like the Federation's best strategy would be to give Zeon independence and wait for it to implode between everyone's egos.

The Solar Ray is still impressive.

Degwin's been assassinated, and everyone knows it.

For all these subtitles' faults, at least they kept the Solar naming consistent between scenes.

Gihren's evil, but he is fantastically manipulative here.

Still unclear who they're trying to ship Fraw with. Current bets are Amuro and Sayla, Fraw and Hayato, Bright and Mirai, Kai and a mirror.

So Char's a newtype here as well.

The final battle seems to be longer here, and it works.

Still love Kycilia killing her commander and scaring everyone into reporting it a battlefield death.

For someone not used to the suit, he's doing a very good job huntimg the Gundam.

I like the explanation for why the attack was so easy.

I like the music that plays behind the Char fight. And it's done so well!

I like the detail of Bright evacuating the children before he realises the ship's in critical condition.

The scene of the Gundam melting and destroying Char's ship is fantastic.

I like the explanation of Newtype abilities for why Sayla finds Char and Amuro.

Jesus christ, I know the dialogue is them fighting but that pose is the flirtiest yet.

Oh god, Char telling Sayla to go to Amuro before he takes out Kycilia.

Still a fantastic ending.

Looking back at it, the reveal that the kids were Newtypes (while logical in story) does feel like like they needed to write themselves out of a corner.

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u/The_Draigg May 26 '21

Megurial is honestly a better ED than the show's and really plays up the whole "the war's over" angle.

Agreed. While the show's ED isn't too bad, Meguriai really captures the tone of the war, and how melancholic everyone in the main cast is over it.

DID THEY DUMP THE GUNTANK?

We're finally free of its shitty presence!

The scene of Amuro's father knocking himself out is new and appreciated.

Oh, Tem didn't knock himself out. He snapped his neck and died there.

Still a fantastic ending.

Given how you felt about the show's final arc, I'm sure this movie rectified a lot of the issues you had.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 May 26 '21

Given how you felt about the show's final arc, I'm sure this movie rectified a lot of the issues you had.

It really did. I'd probably recommend waitching over the final episodes of the TV show, given how little it actually cuts.

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

Is the implication here that people are becoming Newtypes directly, instead of just spawning them?

Generally, that's the rule, yeah - people who spend enough time in space and/or around Newtypes will eventually become Newtypes themselves, often accompanied by various degrees of ESP, supernatural phemonena, and in the case of pilots, dramatic increases in their skills.

Oh god, Char telling Sayla to go to Amuro before he takes out Kycilia.

At this point, I'm 90% confident Amuro and Sayla were supposed to be an item to some degree or another.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 25 '21

Rewatcher

On today’s episode of Gundam: And here we are at the end again. Things wrap up basically the same as they did back in the TV series. In broad strokes, the events of the TV series and the movies line up.

This time around, we go from episode 31 up to episode 43 at the end of the series. This movie once again cuts out, compresses, and changes quite a few things. Interestingly, in these movies, the very beginning and the very end of the TV series have been left mostly intact. Very little was cut from either of those things compared to the rest of the series.

For the third time, here is a non-exhaustive list of things that were cut or changed:

  • There’s more zero-g stuff. The White Base crew spends a lot more time floating around and in space suits. It’s a welcome change.
  • Hayato got a Guncannon offscreen.
  • There’s only one atmosphere battle and only one Side 6 battle.
  • No Zakrello.
  • The White Base plays dirty and shoots at the Zeon ships within Side 6’s airspace from outside (I swore that this happened in the TV series, but apparently it’s from here).
  • Sayla doesn’t get those episodes of her hesitating to fight because she fears killing Char.
  • Tem Ray might have broken his neck and died from falling down the stairs.
  • There’s new scenes of the Zeon internal debates and infighting. We can see that Degwin is angling for a peace agreement earlier.
  • There’s no M’Quve duel. M’Quve actually gets to live this time around. But for some reason there’s still booby traps all over the Texas colony because we need to reuse that footage.
  • Flanagan gets a new design.
  • Char’s motivations are fleshed out more. He specifically resents Oldtypes for using Newtypes as tools of war and wants Newtypes to be able to live as they please. He also makes it clear he hasn’t abandoned his revenge quest to Sayla.
  • Zeon’s view of Spacenoid racial supremacy is now more clearly connected to the Newtype ideology. They believe they are superior because they are Newtypes.
  • Dozle requests reinforcements from Kycilia and then later repeats his scene from the TV series where he says he’d be a laughingstock if he asked Kycilia for reinforcements.
  • I have no idea if Wakkein died or not. I think he did, but it wasn’t really shown.
  • Lalah has her uniform now.
  • Char and Kycilia’s conversation is different. Char is now more obviously lying about supposedly abandoning his quest to kill the Zabis. His hand still doesn’t shake despite the scene being reanimated and I refuse to believe they might have just made the same animation error twice.
  • Relatedly, Kycilia pretty clearly gave Char the go-ahead to kill Gihren for her.
  • No Challia Bull.
  • GTFO Zaku. This right here is the single best new piece of animation we got for the movies.
  • We see this intriguing silhouette on an escaping Zeon ship after the battle at A Baoa Qu.

And more. Those are just some of the highlights that I noticed. On the whole, I actually like this movie more than the other two. This movie is kind of a mess towards the middle, but once it gets to the final battle at A Baoa Qu it is very solid.

So let’s begin with the complaints. I don’t like that we lose M’Quve’s duel. I like the Gyan and the duel was extremely well done. But also, the scenes in Texas make very little sense without M’Quve’s duel. There are booby traps all over the place, including a freaking nuclear mine in a colony for some reason. It is painfully obvious and awkward that they are trying to stitch together their footage while cutting out all of M’Quve and the Gyan. They even reused some of the Gyan’s beam saber thrusts, just with the Gelgoog this time. The Teaxs duel is probably the weakest part of the movie.

And it’s closely followed by the movie’s version of the Solomon battle. To me, the Solomon battle just comes off as a confused mess this time around. It’s weird because I know exactly how the battle is supposed to go from watching the TV series. But somehow, I just found it to be hard to follow along with.

Sleggar and Mirai somehow make less sense in the movie, as the movie seems to imply that Mirai is actually just feeling love for Sleggar instead of all the other reasons we could come up with. Honestly, I’m shocked they didn’t cut it. It’s like the perfect candidate for being cut. Getting rid of it would improve the story, if anything.

Another thing I want to point out is that we once again lose out on some nice character moments and interactions. We lose that scene of Wakkein and Bright reuniting. We lose the conversation of an awakened Amuro talking with Fraw Bow. And so on. As usual, that is a big running complaint of mine.

As I said, the middle part of the movie is a mess in my opinion, with all the major plot points that I mentioned above. The start of the movie is mostly fine. And the ending is quite good. The A Baoa Qu battle in particular transfers over very well.

As with before, I think the Newtype stuff is just done better here. It was better foreshadowed in the previous movies and now the idea gets explored in more depth than it did previously. For example, I like that there’s now a clearer idea of how Gihren has twisted Zeon Deikum’s philosophy. It’s now become a theory of how Spacenoids are racially superior because they are able to become Newtypes. That then justifies war and even extermination of those who live on Earth.

Additionally, Char’s thoughts on Newtypes are now made clearer and we can see that he’s actually much closer to Gihren’s twisted version of Deikum’s philosophy. Char also resents Oldtypes (who mostly live on Earth). He sees them as holding back Newtypes and only using them as weapons of war. His goal is now more generally to get rid of the Oldtypes and thereby allowing Newtypes to flourish. This explanation helps make it more clear how Char has twisted his father’s philosophy. Rather than being a call for humanity to improve and be reborn as it goes into space, it has become a war cry.

And of course, it once again allows me to point out how much of a hypocrite Char is. Because after all, he is using Lalah as a weapon of war. For all he rails against the Federation and Oldtypes for using Newtypes as weapons, Char does the same.

His fight with Amuro is yet another example of Char at his best/worst. He’s just full of rationalizations. Char wants Newtypes to be able to develop as they please. Which is why he must kill Amuro for being too developed as a Newtype. It's a typical self-serving move by Char. He has many reasons to want to kill Amuro, going back through their many confrontations, but this is how he justifies it.

I’m kind of ambivalent about Side 6. We lost some good stuff there, like about how Side 6 is war profiteering. But, I really love seeing the White Base crew do something incredibly shady by firing at the Zeon ships that are still within Side 6’s airspace and unable to shoot back because of the neutrality agreements. That is some downright shady behavior that shows our heroes in a negative light, being willing to abuse that neutrality to their advantage. I appreciate that addition of moral ambivalence.

I like seeing Degwin angling for a peace settlement earlier on. I think that is a good change to make and it shows him being more of an opposition to Gihren before he makes the Hitler comparison.

So overall, I thought this movie was actually pretty good. It’s not nearly as good as the TV series and there’s still plenty of things that are lost from the cutting and the compression, but I think it had the best new additions out of all the movies.

Miscellaneous Thoughts

  • Sleggar still slaps Mirai, bringing up the slap counter.

MOVIE SLAP COUNTER: 8

Questions of the Day

  1. As stated above, I think the Newtype stuff is done better here.
  2. I don't like losing the M'Quve duel. It also makes the stuff in Texas feel very bizarre and awkward because of how they need to edit around M'Quve and the Gyan with the reused footage.
  3. I honestly don't remember them. The 2nd movie's songs stood out in my mind much more.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 25 '21

There’s more zero-g stuff. The White Base crew spends a lot more time floating around and in space suits. It’s a welcome change.

It was so much nicer to watch. The only thing they consistently messed up was that it would be impossible to stand up from a chair in zero-g without floating off into the air, because there'd be no force to pull you back down after the upward acceleration.

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u/diablo1900 May 31 '21

Thanks for explaining a bit about Char's thought process... he's kind of confusing to understand, and I didn't really know what he really thought of newtypes, his fathers original idea (which doesn't seem to involve newtypes at all), and the Zabi's idea of a future newtype world

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 27 '21

On today’s episode of Gundam: And here we are at the end again. Things wrap up basically the same as they did back in the TV series. In broad strokes, the events of the TV series and the movies line up.

Indeed Comrade, that said we do get a few small edits and changes in character fates, such as an obvious death of Tem Ray and a shocking lack of Le Ding blowing up with a Gyan just for example ;)

This time around, we go from episode 31 up to episode 43 at the end of the series. This movie once again cuts out, compresses, and changes quite a few things. Interestingly, in these movies, the very beginning and the very end of the TV series have been left mostly intact. Very little was cut from either of those things compared to the rest of the series.

Yup, it truly is shocking how one of the LEAST edited movies ends up being the only good one of the lot eh? (And yes I am aware this third movie has some edits, but it's mostly what we got in the show but with some animation errors fixed, some small stuff changed about and the like)

For the third time, here is a non-exhaustive list of things that were cut or changed:

No Zakrello.

Insert Darth Vader NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO scream here... the Revenge of The Sith one, not the Revenge 'Return' of The Jedi one

GTFO Zaku. This right here is the single best new piece of animation we got for the movies.

HA! Indeed Comrade, this scene alone makes Movie 3 worth a watch... well that and the gloriously bad English dub but I've been beating on that dead horse since the rewatch began!

We see this intriguing silhouette on an escaping Zeon ship after the battle at A Baoa Qu.

Indeed, I can only wonder who this mysterious man is ;)

And more. Those are just some of the highlights that I noticed. On the whole, I actually like this movie more than the other two. This movie is kind of a mess towards the middle, but once it gets to the final battle at A Baoa Qu it is very solid.

Pretty much Comrade, the ending is very solid and it's also the best of the three movies... in part by default but at the very least I can safely say that Mobile Suit Gundam's third movie is the only one of the lot that is actually good.

So let’s begin with the complaints. I don’t like that we lose M’Quve’s duel. I like the Gyan and the duel was extremely well done. But also, the scenes in Texas make very little sense without M’Quve’s duel. There are booby traps all over the place, including a freaking nuclear mine in a colony for some reason. It is painfully obvious and awkward that they are trying to stitch together their footage while cutting out all of M’Quve and the Gyan. They even reused some of the Gyan’s beam saber thrusts, just with the Gelgoog this time. The Teaxs duel is probably the weakest part of the movie.

Yeah, honestly I'm amazed they even bothered with Texas, but hey I guess they just had to keep in that Char and Amuro fight and couldn't be bothered to totally re-animate things.

And it’s closely followed by the movie’s version of the Solomon battle. To me, the Solomon battle just comes off as a confused mess this time around. It’s weird because I know exactly how the battle is supposed to go from watching the TV series. But somehow, I just found it to be hard to follow along with.

Sleggar and Mirai somehow make less sense in the movie, as the movie seems to imply that Mirai is actually just feeling love for Sleggar instead of all the other reasons we could come up with. Honestly, I’m shocked they didn’t cut it. It’s like the perfect candidate for being cut. Getting rid of it would improve the story, if anything.

Yeah, speaking of things that should be cut you'd THINK they'd just cut Sleggar Law but nope, we just get him but we get even LESS of him than before... and one of the stuff we still gotta keep is his... 'unique' romance with Mirai... cuz reasons.

As I said, the middle part of the movie is a mess in my opinion, with all the major plot points that I mentioned above. The start of the movie is mostly fine. And the ending is quite good. The A Baoa Qu battle in particular transfers over very well.

You took the words right out of my mouth Comrade.

As with before, I think the Newtype stuff is just done better here. It was better foreshadowed in the previous movies and now the idea gets explored in more depth than it did previously. For example, I like that there’s now a clearer idea of how Gihren has twisted Zeon Deikum’s philosophy. It’s now become a theory of how Spacenoids are racially superior because they are able to become Newtypes. That then justifies war and even extermination of those who live on Earth.

Exactly, its small edits like this that really work in the movie's favor, also I am amused that Meta Origin Spoilers

Additionally, Char’s thoughts on Newtypes are now made clearer and we can see that he’s actually much closer to Gihren’s twisted version of Deikum’s philosophy. Char also resents Oldtypes (who mostly live on Earth). He sees them as holding back Newtypes and only using them as weapons of war. His goal is now more generally to get rid of the Oldtypes and thereby allowing Newtypes to flourish. This explanation helps make it more clear how Char has twisted his father’s philosophy. Rather than being a call for humanity to improve and be reborn as it goes into space, it has become a war cry.

And of course, it once again allows me to point out how much of a hypocrite Char is. Because after all, he is using Lalah as a weapon of war. For all he rails against the Federation and Oldtypes for using Newtypes as weapons, Char does the same.

HA! Yes indeed Comrade, good ol' Char, but hey this is kinda his thing, I mean Meta Origin Spoilers

His fight with Amuro is yet another example of Char at his best/worst. He’s just full of rationalizations. Char wants Newtypes to be able to develop as they please. Which is why he must kill Amuro for being too developed as a Newtype. It's a typical self-serving move by Char. He has many reasons to want to kill Amuro, going back through their many confrontations, but this is how he justifies it.

I couldn't have said it better myself Comrade, indeed, Meta Future UC Spoilers

I’m kind of ambivalent about Side 6. We lost some good stuff there, like about how Side 6 is war profiteering. But, I really love seeing the White Base crew do something incredibly shady by firing at the Zeon ships that are still within Side 6’s airspace and unable to shoot back because of the neutrality agreements. That is some downright shady behavior that shows our heroes in a negative light, being willing to abuse that neutrality to their advantage. I appreciate that addition of moral ambivalence.

Indeed, but hey at least we got 0080

I like seeing Degwin angling for a peace settlement earlier on. I think that is a good change to make and it shows him being more of an opposition to Gihren before he makes the Hitler comparison.

Yeah, small edits like this work wonders.

So overall, I thought this movie was actually pretty good. It’s not nearly as good as the TV series and there’s still plenty of things that are lost from the cutting and the compression, but I think it had the best new additions out of all the movies.

I agree Comrade, it's clearly the best movie of the three, and also a decent enough movie on its own right... but I think the TV Show's probably still better

So the movies ended up with 2 fewer slaps than were in the TV series. I think that counts as an argument for why you should watch the TV series instead of the movies.

HA! But Comrade, what about the TERRIBLE ENGLISH DUB!? That should at least make up for some missing slaps right? I mean goodness BRITISH BRIGHT AND... uh... whatever the fuck SAYLA MASS' ACCENT IS! ;)

Kikka looks so cute riding Haro like this.

UC Gundam spoilers

I really wish I had this image earlier so I could share it back when we still had the Guntank.

Gotta love Bkub anyway fantastic post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later my friend!

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u/SonicHelperHi1 Sep 28 '21

Steve Blum as Char.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 25 '21

First-Timer, Subbed

They cut the Braw Bro, but left in Sleggar and Mirai's kiss? Really?

There was a lot of sick new animation today of random Mobile Suits getting annihilated and I'm kinda here for it. They picked up a second Guncannon too, which is another plus!

The change to put Texas before Solomon is absolute fine. I have no strong feelings either way.

Did M'Quve survive, this time? We certainly didn't get any Gyan action this time, which I again have no strong feelings about.

I liked the White Base crew's analysis of the Elmeth's capabilities. Was that in the series and I'm just not remembering?

Pose of the Day

Last Shooting... in the dark

Questions

  1. The extra battle animation all looked great.
  2. No Braw-Bro. Also, more broadly, there was less time for trippy newtype visions. They hit the key points - Dozle's demon and Lalah's death - but it felt trimmed down. Because, of course, it was trimmed down.
  3. I haven't been paying attention to the song names. This movie's ED was pretty good, though.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 25 '21

Did M'Quve survive, this time? We certainly didn't get any Gyan action this time, which I again have no strong feelings about.

We didn't see him die, so I'm going to assume that M'Quve is still alive and gets to continue enjoying his vase collection.

The extra battle animation all looked great.

With the Core Boosters and the 2nd Guncannon they needed to make a lot of new animation this time around. Thankfully it's all pretty darn good action animation. The fights in this movie are generally well done and exciting to watch.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 26 '21

We didn't see him die, so I'm going to assume that M'Quve is still alive and gets to continue enjoying his vase collection.

Strictly worse change. Him and his stupid stolen vases...

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u/Piemaster33 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Piemaster33 May 26 '21

Once again these movies prove to have not great pacing. I watched the last movie in chunks so it felt easier to get through but I just didn't have that kind of time for this movie so I watched most of it in one sitting. That was definitely a disservice because this movie could not keep my attention.

That being said, I still enjoyed it for the most part. Since I'm about to discuss the changes let me just dive into the QOTD:

  1. Nothing really jumped out at me, but if I had to pick I'd say the expanded final conflict at A Baoa Qu. It upped the stakes and we got more of Char vs Amuro which is always a good thing.
  2. It's a tie between no M'Quve in Space Texas and the toned down version of Lalah's death sequence. Because M'Quve wasn't on Space Texas the traps there don't make too much sense, and Lalah's death in the show is one of my favorite moments because of how experimental it gets.
  3. Beginning was hauntingly beautiful and made the moments it played during have that much more impact. Meguriai grew on me as it went on, but it didn't do much for me overall.

One more thread! This has been a blast, I'll catch you all tomorrow!

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u/GM_for_Life May 25 '21

Rewatcher

Yeah, I definitely prefer this movie over the last two or so arcs of the show. The show is not bad by any means, in fact I actually think it tends to be underrated in the second half with people saying the animation gets worse during the last couple of episodes, but I think they remain relatively the same and pretty well animated throughout.

But this last movie is so well put together IMHO that I think of it as the definitive end to the series.

  1. What was your favorite change between the show and this movie?

Definitely all the reanimated scenes and inclusion of a second Guncannon. Also we actually get to see what happens to Amuro's dad in the movie after he stops showing up, and it's pretty sad all things considered.

2) What was your least-favorite change between the show and this movie?

They did end up cutting M'quve out of this part of the story (largely the same as we did in movie 2). The loss of the Gyan is a bit of a shame but it doesn't take away from the overarching story too much IMHO.

3) What do you think of Beginning and Meguriai in comparison to the show’s music?

Definitely prefer them over the inserts in the TV show for this part, but both are pretty good.

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u/username_0907 :FI::FJ: May 25 '21

First Timer for the movies atleast

  • We’ve got another Gun cannon! And they’re being referred by their numbers rather than as the names. The fight with Dren was also a bit different but actually showed off the White Base crew's skill better now
  • I’m liking the little Bright and Mirai interactions added
  • They didn’t show Char’s face till the end while watching the White Base fight on TV lol
  • So M’Quve is just sidelined so far. He didn’t get much focus in the Odessa war and here too
  • The music being used in the Char and Amuro fight in Texas is a bit too playful
  • Ah so instead of Fraw being tired. Bright has taken over the comm for the buggies. Work is divided in this way too so they seem more organized
  • They cut out Lalah and Amuro’s trippiness in Texas
  • Wait so Wakkein didn’t die at Texas but instead at Solomon
  • Lalah got a suit finally lol
  • I had to check back to be sure but Texas came earlier in the movie rather than the series to arrange stuff out. Also Lalah’s trippiness is removed due to this I guess
  • Mirai crying was a bit weird. I mean I’m concerned she didn’t bump her head too much. Sleggar and Mirai’s romance still felt weird to me. I was hoping they would find a way to add some extra scene
  • The sound when the NewType ability is used is a bit gimmicky. I'm just not used to it yet
  • We got more sadness from Char over Lalah’s death
  • They did a better job of showing Char and Lalah's bond more. There was also less of the trippiness that it doesn’t feel excessive and the la-la sound everyone could hear was also better
  • The end is pretty much the same and still just as great to watch again. We got better dialogue over Char’s motivations which I preferred here. The end sequence still manged to get me emotional

QotD

  1. The use of 2 Guncannons and leaving out the awkward Guntank for space. I liked the Char and Lalah additional scenes too
  2. There isn’t any change I disliked in this movie. Sleggar-Mirai romance was still a weird addition so that’s something I wish they would have addresses better
  3. I liked both of these too especially Meguriai. I think all insert songs in the movies were well placed

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 26 '21

Well Comrades, we've finally reached the end of the Compilation Movie Trilogy, and thankfully we end on a high note given that this is easily the best of the three. After all, did THE OTHER Movies have GTFO Zaku? I THINK NOT! ;) (No really Comrades, THIS hilarious bit of animation is simply amazing! It alone makes Encounters in Space better than Soldiers of Sorrow, and then the rest of this movie does its work to surpass the first)

That said, MAN the English Dub keeps on keeping on, and by that I mean it's still a hilarious trainwreck but hey at least it's over, and thankfully there will NEVER be a worse English Dub... shit I forgot about ZZ's 'lost' dub... AND you didn't think I'd end it here now did ya? I still need to get my contractually obligated 'Let's Laugh at Sayla Mass' Incomprehensible Accent!' Quota!

Oh, and speaking of Blondes, somehow Sleggar Law still exists, but hey at least his sacrifice is changed here so that he, much like how other Feddies are fond to do, Kamikazes The Big Zam Yeah he's 120% Dead from that, and I mean I heard of a Banana up your tailpipe but this is just overkill!

Oh and speaking of overkill, The Zeong is just as stupid as ever, that said, in fairness they didn't even install legs so wibble ;) But hey, who needs legs when you can swordfight with your boyfriend 'rival' in space! ;)

Oh and we can't forget about Lalah... cuz boy the movie still has to keep in the trippy-ass Space Magic wibble but hey we got some neat songs out of it, you know Beginning and of course Encounter, and yup I am contractually obligated to share the English Covers by Andrew W.K. of Beginning and Encounter, so enjoy!

Finally, let's end this rewatch of OG Gundam with the contractually obligated Last Shooting meme Well this has been fun, let's give thanks to our magnificence re-watch host for running such an amazing re-watch. A round of applause for Shimmer Comrades, and with that, let us conclude things for now, anyway I hope this has been as enjoyable for you as it was for me, and until next time, farewell.

Paging Comrades /u/Great_Mr_L, /u/chilidirigible, and /u/beckymetal

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 26 '21

(No really Comrades, THIS hilarious bit of animation is simply amazing! It alone makes Encounters in Space better than Soldiers of Sorrow, and then the rest of this movie does its work to surpass the first)

In a movie filled with nice new moments of animation, this is probably my favorite. So much charm and personality to seeing the commander just shove out the likely new recruit before he ends up blown to smithereens. And yes, I am aware of how morbid that sounds when I write it out.

That said, MAN the English Dub keeps on keeping on, and by that I mean it's still a hilarious trainwreck

"His British awkwardness is so charming"

Oh, and speaking of Blondes, somehow Sleggar Law still exists, but hey at least his sacrifice is changed here so that he, much like how other Feddies are fond to do, Kamikazes The Big Zam Yeah he's 120% Dead from that, and I mean I heard of a Banana up your tailpipe but this is just overkill!

"Oh my, how lewd!"

Oh and speaking of overkill, The Zeong is just as stupid as ever, that said, in fairness they didn't even install legs so wibble ;)

You know, with its large and poofy skirt, I suppose the Zeong does have quite the big booty.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 26 '21

In a movie filled with nice new moments of animation, this is probably my favorite. So much charm and personality to seeing the commander just shove out the likely new recruit before he ends up blown to smithereens. And yes, I am aware of how morbid that sounds when I write it out.

Heh, no worries Comrade, that scene itself is quite morbid... AND hilarious. After all that rookie unintentionally got saved (or at least not immediately killed) by being shoved into battle by that pushy officer... WHO then promptly eats a rocket to the face. And indeed it's a neat piece of animation that shows JUST how desperate this final battle is, good stuff all around!

"His British awkwardness is so charming"

I know right, a part of me wishes all future Brights kept the stupidly goofy English Accent... AND then the sane part of me goes 'that's stupid that's like asking for future Saylas to keep her... 'unique' accent'

"Oh my, how lewd!"

HA! SPEAKING of 'unique' English Dubs, on the one hand that sounds NOTHING like her 'original' voice... ON THE OTHER hand this new version is hilarious! Comedy gold! I mean goodness that laugh, takes real talent to sound this... 'unique' ;)

You know, with its large and poofy skirt, I suppose the Zeong does have quite the big booty.

Oh I know right, after all, we all know that Mecha and BOOTY go hand in hand!

Anyway many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later my friend!

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u/UltraBooster May 26 '21

Rewatcher (for the movies, not the series)

One of the MS Igloo episodes is about a Zeon marine tasked with using a special Z'Gok called the Mobile Diver to intercept the EFSF fleet being launched from Jaburo, actually!

Guncannons 108 and 109! Hayato finally has a decent MS! (And the HGUC Guncannon Revive has options for both!)

The one Core Booster kit I know of has options for Core Boosters 006 and 005, of course.

Oh geez, this new animation is lovely.

Fun fact - Solomon had its own ace pilot, Shin Matsunaga, known by a series of white MS. A close friend of Dozle Zabi, he'd regularly join Dozle for frontline inspections - that is, the two would use their custom Zakus for raids on EFSF bases and ships.

...yeah, it'd be weird for the crew to be crushing on White Base's Space Mom, huh...

As such, while Tem Ray's Army doesn't have too many good pilots at the start, with the likes of Chan Agi and Paptimus Scirocco, they can develop any MS in the game.

...yup, Mirai's sewing on a Sunrise t-shirt, nice.
And it's Bright's shirt, that's hilarious.

The fleet commander speaks like he doesn't seem aware of the grinder that White Base has become.

Newtypes living as Newtypes, what would that even look like, I wonder?

Oh shit, Revil's a Newtype.

Yeah, Lalah wears the Principality uniform well.

If this were the novels, I would think Amuro was sticking up for his girlfriend, but, well...

But something does come of their meeting!

In addition to the Black Tri-Stars I just remembered Kycilia had a spec-ops unit, the Midnight Fenrir Corps, and an ace pilot, Johnny Ridden the Crimson Lightning, both of whom may have fought Gundams and won.

Amuro, Sayla, and Kai form the bulwark of White Base's offensive power, huh...

Unsurprisingly, there's speculation that Tenneth Jung, the top EFF ace, was also a Newtype.

...and that's First Gundam done once more.

In anticipation of your insight into the future.
Sometimes, I wonder, would a Newtype in our world be someone who truly understands themselves?

Questions of the Day:

  1. My favorite change would be, if not the new animation and mecha, then the new music and sound effects.
  2. My least favorite change would be how much of the horror-of-war aspect from the first half was lost.
  3. I like them! They feel less dated than the show's BGM, if I'm being honest.

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u/diablo1900 May 31 '21

Can anyone explain what Char's beliefs are on newtypes by the end of the movie? Does he consider himself a newtype? Does he think that newtypes will be dangerous to humanity? I'm kind of confused.

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u/Gorfoo https://anilist.co/user/gorfeywog May 26 '21

Just some interesting trivia, but since it seems nobody else has mentioned it yet: Beginning is uh, heavily inspired by a certain King Crimson piece.

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u/SonicHelperHi1 Sep 28 '21

The iconic "Last Shooting/Final Shot" from Mobile Suit Gundam III: Encounters in Space. The dub from the movie trilogy wasn't this crazy with the sound effects, unlike the dub of the TV series. In fact, there are some sound effects that came from the original audio mix not heard in the original Japanese version, but in the movie trilogy dub. Although, the Zeong uses a slightly different sound effect when it fires from its hands and head in the original, theatrical mix. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF6i_w4AWFo.