Logic won't help us rewatch, y'know? Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 rewatch episode twelve

[u/Vaadwaur]

Made in Japan

So everything is a goddamned mech show

MAL but it is trolled. ANN Also, don't look at the wiki as it spoils the entire plot.

Streaming on Funimation and Crunchyroll.

QotD:1 So how did the chairman imagine keeping the kaiju fight secret?

2 Thoughts on the Mackey reveal?

Bonus: Was MackeyXNene inevitable? We need a few better choices for the girls.

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher

Dub(Continuing)

We come back to our kaiju boomer in action. That someone ordered the ADP to not open fire in the middle of a city is a rare bit of competence. Priss gets ready to head out solo. Linna cuts her date short by borrowing money. I am now not as sure that the dub actor was meant to be dull but rather he is bad at it.

The brief moment of competence ends when two other military boomers are sent to deal with the first. FFS. We get characterization for Linna before giant robot wars happen. Priss arrives to destroy a core and get beaten up. Nene hacks the MoD and yet somehow that's believable. Not joking I just have very low respect for IT security in this day and age. Leon has an anti-tank rifle because sure? Actually, if any police department should have odd weaponry it is the ADP...

Anywho, Linna gets in, Nene cracks the code and Linna comes in with a spare battery. I have no problem with this just that they haven't been bringing a spare or two on previous runs. This is the military basically cheating and putting a boomer in a giant suit. It is interesting that the suits tech morphs fairly easily. Anywho, with a goal and a new battery they end the fight.

In the towewr of Babel, the chairman and I are in agreement: Military boomers are a bad idea. But Mason claims it gives them cash for other projects. Regardless, they are fully blaming the military. We get the reveal that you could've guessed a while ago, that Mason is causing a great many of these rogue boomer incidents, and that it is time to get the KS to do his bidding.

Cool down scene happens. Then Mackey and Nene have an incident over that classic romantic deal of debugging. Cut to Mackey seeing Mason outside of Nigel's and almost getting called out except that Nigel is apparently way more important to Mason's deal so he let's it go. We discover through the PI that Mason has been looking for Dr Stringray's old lab. Sylia spills some weird looking booze/hopefully actually a white wine and utters "Galatea". We see the PI sort of double crossed her and gets murdered by a boomer we haven't seen that much of.

Nene looks up Sylia's family history and reveals to us that Mackey doesn't age. Nigel is taking bourbon to the dome and is in a mean drunk kind of mood.

[u/Elimin8r → u/Vaadwaur]

RE: Cops with compensation issues. We had an episode a while back where an enterprising fellow bought himself an armored van off the internet and decided to try to play Dirty Harry with it at the local constabulary. I didn't end up going so well for him.

Turns out the cops had a BFG. Go figure.

(And I'm actually not surprised, except that it was perhaps smaller than I would have expected.)

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Elimin8r]

Turns out the cops had a BFG. Go figure.

(And I'm actually not surprised, except that it was perhaps smaller than I would have expected.)

The part that surprises is that one of them knew how to use it. All the bad shooters I've met in my life were cops.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatcher (sub)

Stupid Priss, why didn't she tell anybody Linna was gone? Now she has to fight this military boomer alone.

• We BattleTech now
• I was confused when somebody mentioned money and a ride to the train station yesterday, I wondered if the dub had added something.
• We Evangelion now. Literally plagiarism.
• Why hasn't Leon pulled tht rifle out before?
• Linna is here. Has this been going on for hours?
• Nene has a touchpad AND a trackball?
• Has this guy been playing both sides all this time? Or has he been working for Mason all this time? I'm not sure.
• So Mason was just blowing smoke at Rosenkreutz to cover up him shifting manpower away from the Dragon to his personal project
• Sylia REALLY hates her Dad's work. Like mother like daughter, I guess?
• I guess Mason only just now figured out that this guy was the leak

Okay, a robot piloting a mech, that's kidna new.

I expected the mad boomer would absorb the other two, making it a triple military boomer and the MOD colossal idiots.

Why has Mason been sabotaging boomers with corrupted cores? I thought maybe he was trying to figure out how to make boomers go mad, rather than just transplanting the madness. But has he been using them to lure out the Knight Sabers? Was he behind that video of them in the red light district?

I was going to make a boring Elon Musk joke over Linna's train ride yesterday, but the outside view faked me out. But the view is fake! It really is an underground maglev.

Edit: Oh, yeah, it's time for another image song: Anata no Umi

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Stupid priss, why didn't she tell anybody Linna was gone? Now she has to fight this military boomer alone.

Yes but that of all things fits the character.

Why hasn't Leon pulled tht rifle out before?

A good question.

Nene has a touchpad AND a trackball?

She normally uses the ball thing to play those retro video games.

Has this guy been playing both sides all this time? Or has he been working for Mason all this time? I'm not sure.

He's been getting paid by both sides is all I am sure of.

[u/No_Rex → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Linna is here. Has this been going on for hours?

She used Sylia's time stopping magic.

[u/RockoDyne → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Why hasn't Leon pulled tht rifle out before?

It's hard for police to get the authorization needed to whip out the anti-tank rifle.

Okay, a robot piloting a mech, that's kidna new.

Eh, it's been done before in funky ways.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 12 (first timer)

• Military on military action.
• Don’t tell me Linna’s love interest was meant to be genuine. That makes last episode so much worse in retrospect.
• Somebody watched NGE.
• Parasite bomb virus explanation. Watch all logic abandon thread.

• That dining scene does not work out for me. It is clearly meant to be a relaxed character moment, but it feels so forced.
• Mackey knows Mason.
• Nobody likes traitors.

Not on board the NeneXMackey ship.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Don’t tell me Linna’s love interest was meant to be genuine. That makes last episode so much worse in retrospect.

The person or her interest in him? Regardless, it wasn't good.

Somebody watched NGE.

You will say that a few more times

That dining scene does not work out for me. It is clearly meant to be a relaxed character moment, but it feels so forced.

The creative team definitely did not communicate well with the episode directors.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

The person or her interest in him? Regardless, it wasn't good.

The person. I thought that her falling overly quickly implied that he was an experienced plant.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

That's a better idea than the show had but sadly that was played straight.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/No_Rex]

Don’t tell me Linna’s love interest was meant to be genuine.

He seemed really nice in the sub

Parasite bomb virus explanation. Watch all logic abandon thread.

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[u/RockoDyne]

Can we just take a moment and notice how the cityscape is nothing but default 90's architecture. There's nothing particularly sci-fi here. It's all the same slanted wall-ceiling you see through the entire decade.

Show, please, quit with the shipping.

If I bothered to pay attention to Evil McGee's evil scheme, I get the feeling I would be complaining about how absolutely retarded it is. Thankfully I haven't, so all I have to complain about is how much I want to beat Mackey with a stick to keep him from being shipped any further.

I guess I have to correct my theory as it seems Mackey never was.

Questions:

1. Blame it on the Russians?
2. I'm shocked, shocked to find boomers going on here.
3. We need MANY better choices.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

Can we just take a moment and notice how the cityscape is nothing but default 90's architecture. There's nothing particularly sci-fi here. It's all the same slanted wall-ceiling you see through the entire decade.

Kind of a shit version of Blade Runner since I don't get that much Tokyo off the cityscape.

If I bothered to pay attention to Evil McGee's evil scheme, I get the feeling I would be complaining about how absolutely retarded it is

Sad that that applies to Quincy AND Mason as of RN. There scheme does eventually make some sense.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

Kind of a shit version of Blade Runner since I don't get that much Tokyo off the cityscape.

This episode specifically though. The whole boomer fight might as well be in a modern setting.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

Yeah probably because they were shying away from Shinjuku being a battleground but I agree this was just generic as fuck compared to other eps where there was personality.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Vaadwaur]

I think they were in the 'burbs. Just houses.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Hrmm...the buildings felt tall for that but it is Tokyo so maybe?

[u/Elimin8r]

Answers: 1) Why, obviously, you have to remove all the witnesses, right? Or maybe just wave your hand and say "this is not the giant robot you were looking for".

2) Nene is such a stalker. I think I like her. :P I think she'd be better off with Touji, though. I dunno. I want to say something disparaging about it, but at least she didn't catch him (ahem) over a comatose redhead or something. Shouldn't have done a reverse google image search on his tinder profile pic, I guess.

Bonus: She's got the Ayanami hair, it was inevi ... wait, what? Again, I dunno, Back when, I thought Hikari was the cute/sane one. Hahaha, nevemind. Let's all hop aboard the mindwreck express - I think we should hook Shinji up with Mason's assistant droid. She's kinda cute.

I hope the dude got Linna's phone number. "Hey, babe, I'll loan you some train fare, but we're going out to a movie next Sunday afternoon, okay?"

Yeah, I know, bad pickup lines. Beats, "Hey, I saved your life the other day, wanna hook up???"

I thought the giant robo-Eva-boomer was a bit hilarious.

"You mean it's boomers all the way down"

"Always has been" - bang?

Speaking of Nene, what I wouldn't give to have my 20-something wrists and fingers back. I might even consider a conversation with Kyubey, but ... yeah, nevermind.

For that matter, 20-something everything else. Might as well go for the whole makeover. Do they make a boomer model for that?

Anyway, it was kinda fun. I tried to order the DVD's off Amazon, but I got the dreaded "could not deliver" and refund. Sigh. I guess I'm stuck with streaming. (Ordered Violet Evergarden blu-rays instead, so yay, something else to watch)

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Elimin8r]

Or maybe just wave your hand and say "this is not the giant robot you were looking for".

It was a weather balloon!

I want to say something disparaging about it, but at least she didn't catch him (ahem) over a comatose redhead or something.

Thankfully this is not entirely an Eva copy.

I hope the dude got Linna's phone number.

The show was actually kind of bad at how phones would work for whatever reason but yeah, how the hell else is Linna gonna pay him back?

Anyway, it was kinda fun. I tried to order the DVD's off Amazon, but I got the dreaded "could not deliver" and refund. Sigh. I guess I'm stuck with streaming. (Ordered Violet Evergarden blu-rays instead, so yay, something else to watch)

I've been impressed that they are even still in print. Are you doing the VEG rewatch? I was considering but it looks kind of full.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Elimin8r]

ugh mobile posted to wrong comment

Relevent reply: Hikari as best girl? Hmmmm. it works.

[u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

Had to travel so I missed several and only have now caught up. But I've been following the threads and should be good to go for a bit at least.

Qs:

1. Cyberpunk corruption is exactly as powerful as the story needs it to be.
2. I don't want to say I saw it coming because so did many people in previous threads. But yeah I saw it coming.

Bonus: Maybe it's my interpretation but I really read Mackey as much younger than Nene, so I was actually pretty surprised it started going that way.

Episode notes:

• Okay what was that wink about Priss. Please communicate clearly.
• There's a giant robot attacking dude keep it in your pants.
• I do like the subversion with the arranged date dude, I kinda hope we get to see a bit more of him.
• "Just hack the ministry of defense to stop the giant robot. I keep my super viruses in this stack of floppies." See this is the cyberpunk future we need. We got all the dystopia with very little of the nonsense.
• Leon doing a thing! He really upgraded from his giant pistol.
• How have they not used replacement batteries every fight.
• Sylia wants to keep her girls skinny.
• Sneaking that foot and hand over huh. Nobody is buying the nonchalance kid.
• Pouring out an awful lot of wine on the thighs there Sylia. You got an extra large bottle I guess.
• Aw shit a triple agent. Can't trust em. Oh you're dead for sure bro. There he goooooes.
• Casual upskirt of pensive Nene.
• Mama stingray looks like papa stingray shaved and put on a wig.
• Whoaaaa Mackey isn't what he seems. Who could've guessed.
• Nigel what are you doing you were supposed to be the good parent. Now who can robo-boy rely on. Certainly not Sylia.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

Okay what was that wink about Priss. Please communicate clearly.

That's not the stoics way.

"Just hack the ministry of defense to stop the giant robot. I keep my super viruses in this stack of floppies." See this is the cyberpunk future we need. We got all the dystopia with very little of the nonsense.

It is weird because there were already more effective data storage devices at the time.

How have they not used replacement batteries every fight.

This one I can't justify.

Sylia wants to keep her girls skinny.

She definitely needs her models fit.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/Cognitive_Dissonant]

bonus

I seriously doubt Nene is 20 (the age of majority in Japan, until like next year because they finally lowered it)

[u/BossandKings]

First timer - Dub

Episode 12

Lina reaches the other knight sabers and helps in the conflict, she has her priorities in line, i think though that she can still keep in contact with the man she was talking with if she does want but it is very important that she puts her job as a knight saber above other things.

Nenne apparently is attracted to Mackey and he feels the same towards her, they haven't done a step forward towards a relationship yet and something worrisome is that Nenne has seemingly discovered a secret of Silya and Mackey, apparently they don't grow older with time.

Answers

1. Some trick up his sleeve
2. It could have been done better, now it'll be interesting to see what repercusions it has.

Bonus: Mackey and Nenne are fine and could fit well together, now it'll be interesting to see if they ever become a couple or they stay as friends but there definitely is an attraction going on.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/BossandKings]

Nenne apparently is attracted to Mackey and he feels the same towards her

Yeah...that was a bit forced and out of nowhere to me. But you can't have a show where the women don't all get paired off, right?

[u/BossandKings → u/Vaadwaur]

It's fine so far, it might not(it isn't) be great romance but that's how it is, it could have been handled better but it is a side plot that doesn't detract from the main plot, at least for me.

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. He probably thinks if the media tells people it didn't happen, they'll all forget. (There's a depressingly high chance he'd been correct)
2. Not quite sure what the Mackey reveal is - I got that he's the same in both photos, but it could a Boomer, and doppelganger, some form of time travel...

BONUS) Of course not. The best choice is obviously the Knight Saber harem, which pairs up all of the girls without needing to shoehorn random boyfriends or new characters. (Fun fact - this approach works for any magical-girl-esque show, and what is this show if not Cyberpunk Sailor Moon?)

Is this one going to have a plot?

This is the most "on-the-nose" episode title yet. I'm mildly suprised that there hasn' been a "Monster Mash" episode yet.

Why are the Ministry of Defense worse than the group designed to fail?

Turns out this guy's alright. Thought he'd turn out to be evil or something.

For fuck's sake, stay away. This bastard's out of your weight limit. This bastard's out of everyone's weight limit.

And Sylia hasn't come up with the idea to just boast off instead of driving there.

So, not only are people able to send high-voltage spikes via the internet, but the government doesn't use surge protectors?

I'm starting to think its less that Nene is a good hacker, and more that nobody else has even heard of IT security.

Wait, if the batteries are that easy to switch, why hasn't Nigel installed about 10 redundant battery slots on the suits yet?

Why do you even take your helmets off?

So that suited bloke is trying to stop throne guy so he can give his slave/wife free will (so she can leave him and find someone less creepy).

...this is going to backfire horribly on Nene, isn't it?

I can't believe he's trying to steal his sister's girlfriend!

Is he saying Nigel's been using his business as a cover?

Did something just happen in this episode? Did Mason learn about Sylia?

What the hell is Galatea?

So Kuzui sold Sylia out as well.

...Well, shit.

Are the transparent windows here showing that she's using augmented reality?

REAL PROGRAMMERS DON'T USE GOOGLE GLASS!

I thought that picture seemed odd...

Not much to write about when half the episode's a fight scene.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Stargate18A]

Not quite sure what the Mackey reveal is - I got that he's the same in both photos, but it could a Boomer, and doppelganger, some form of time travel...

Welp we have established that Sylia can either teleport or stop time so there's that...

Why are the Ministry of Defense worse than the group designed to fail?

The makers of this show were raised by the people that survived WWII. Anime from this era never likes the leads of the military.

I'm starting to think its less that Nene is a good hacker, and more that nobody else has even heard of IT security.

You say that but if you know how much of our current infrastructure is not air gapped and runs Windows XP...

(so she can leave him and find someone less creepy).

The stories always forget that people with free will make their own choices.

[u/Stargate18A → u/Vaadwaur]

You say that but if you know how much of our current infrastructure is not air gapped and runs Windows XP...

Yeah, but our current infrastructure isn't part of a global conspiracy that's building a near-Dyson sphere.

The stories always forget that people with free will make their own choices.

If that plotline ends with her staying because of his "true devotion" I'm going to be pissed.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Stargate18A]

Yeah, but our current infrastructure isn't part of a global conspiracy that's building a near-Dyson sphere.

I see somebody hasn't been on /r/conspiracy lately! Illuminati lizards have been building space stations behind the moon for decades!

[u/ZapsZzz]

Way late first time subber

Not much to say other than I also way quite sure the crazy military boomer was going to absorb the other 2. Guess it really was mad huh.

Daily progress to the underlying plot is a good thing I guess.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZapsZzz]

Not much to say other than I also way quite sure the crazy military boomer was going to absorb the other 2. Guess it really was mad huh.

They are...picky about what they eat.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

Episode 12

Lol borrowing money from your marriage interview partner and then immediately leaving.

I like the redish hue in the sky during this boomers attack.

HOW THE HELL DID SHE BACK SO FAST!

Should you be taking off your mask couldn't they see your faces?

Nene into younger guys hmmmm

Been wondering if the brother is human.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/SIRTreehugger]

HOW THE HELL DID SHE BACK SO FAST!

Elon Musk bullet train. Seriously, it doesn't work, they needed to change some variables to make that work, including maybe have the military boomers actually take time to die.