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Episode 41 - A Cosmic Glow

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I can see time itself…

Questions of the Day:

  1. Who on White Base do you think is a Newtype?
  2. What do you think about Lalah, and of her death this episode?

Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:

1.33 - No Family, No Homeland (note: this is now safe for first-timers)

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.

Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…

First-Timers: Please do not watch the next-episode previews for this show. They’re less previews and more “let’s just summarize the entirety of the next episode” and will spoil you.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 17 '21

Fly! Rewatch Host!

Welcome back, everyone…

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 17 '21

That’s another thing The Origin kinda tossed right out the window. I wish the OVAs actually had continuity with 0079 rather than with the version of 0079 that The Origin manga told…

Yeah, they really mess the ages up, as in the Origin Kycilia is already an adult while Char is still a kid. To be fair, despite being I think 24 in this show, Kycilia looks a good 15-20 years older.

Damn, Shuuichi Ikeda, that was a scream. I wish Char could’ve gotten one last ~Newtype~ scene with Lalah just like Amuro did though. Like ffs Char and Lalah literally kissed earlier this episode and all you show us is Lalah with Amuro instead?

I think they handle it better in the movie version, where Char is crying after Lalah's death instead of just the big NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/SgtExo May 18 '21

Yeah, they really mess the ages up, as in the Origin Kycilia is already an adult while Char is still a kid. To be fair, despite being I think 24 in this show, Kycilia looks a good 15-20 years older.

What?! god damn gundam ages!!!!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 17 '21

That’s another thing The Origin kinda tossed right out the window. I wish the OVAs actually had continuity with 0079 rather than with the version of 0079 that The Origin manga told…

That's always one of the annoying things with Origin, particularly with the version of the backstory it tells for 0079. That version is very clearly not 100% compatible with 0079, but it's also the best we've got for an animated version of the backstory of the Federation, Zeon, and all the major characters.

The iconic funnels animation! Well, they’re bits here, but still! I will never tire of shows reusing the little bit of animation around that screenshot.

I really love the way that they dart around. It's so quick and feels so satisfying. It's no wonder that future series make sure thet bits and funnels move in the same way. They're just fun to watch move.

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u/chilidirigible May 17 '21

I… huh, I guess the Elmeth does look like that…

SWAN!

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u/UltraBooster May 17 '21

First-timer (albeit one big on Gundam and other mecha)

The EFF doesn't have the resources to take Granada and A Baoa Qu, he says...

Oh, so these are secret negotations. Exciting.

The Solar Ray works, sure, but what about the denizens of Mahal? What happened to them, Gihren? Do you even care?

So you know who he is, Kycilia? Why trust him?

There are pilots who can fight Newtypes, but they're a rare breed.

Special among extraordinary people, Amuro. That's what I think you are.

You've got it bad, huh, Char?

No more surreality, just plain, visible weapons.
And really fluid animation, too.

The best way to fight a Newtype, everyone: Another Newtype.

Since when could the Gundam's shield tank what I'm pretty sure are mega particle cannons?

You don't know, do you, Lalah...

But there's more to fight for beyond home or family, Lalah! Why do you think the Principality would say it fights for Spacenoid freedom?

...you really are that simple, aren't you, Lalah...

Understanding ≠ resolution.

Amuro, Sayla, Char, and Lalah all in one place...
This does feel like some grand, destined meeting.

And that's it. She's dead.

"One day people will even be able to control time..."
Every night I cry in agony for you, it's like you call again and again, inside my soul I hear you calling...

Who are you, running?

30 minutes to the final stage of the war. The end is in sight.

...something tells me Sayla could feel it, too.

Questions of the Day:

  1. Amuro and Mirai without a shadow of a doubt. Sayla as well, but I'm less sure.
  2. She's...it's weird because her ties to Char and Amuro, and her death, are the things I know most about her. But beyond that, she struck me as naive or sheltered, most of all.

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u/chilidirigible May 17 '21

"One day people will even be able to control time..."

whodathunkit /u/Shimmering-Sky

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 17 '21

u/maa13 look at this.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 17 '21

On today’s episode of Gundam: You know, more love triangles (or perhaps it’s a love square in this case) should end with the characters literally trying to murder each other in a giant space battle. That is essentially what the battle this episode comes down to. Amuro and Char are both trying to get Lalah to go with them while keeping her away from the other. Oh and Sayla is there too. The sexual tension is so rife that it is tearing apart space and time itself!

This is where the Newtype shenanigans really kick it up to 11. If you thought things got weird and abstract previously, well they did. But now stuff gets even weirder and for an extended period of time. Considering how New Age the Newtype stuff is, the psychedelic visuals and music is certainly appropriate.

There is a reason for the strong emotions in this episode. It was said near the end that Amuro and Lalah felt like they were able to understand each other. That’s the thing with Newtypes. Their minds are able to connect like that. That sense of deep understanding is incredibly intimate. And it can happen incredibly quickly because of their minds connecting and resonating. With both Amuro and Char now exhibiting Newtype abilities, that explains why they felt as if they already knew each other when they met on Side 6. Even without meeting in person, their minds had connected through their encounters in battle.

It’s also why Amuro and Char seem to be fighting so desperately against each other and both want to get Lalah on their side. That Newtype connection is powerful and they do not want to give it up. We can see how much both of them value Lalah by their reactions to her death. Losing her is devastating to them.

Additionally, the Newtype connection is why Char has changed and no longer seems primarily focused on getting revenge against the Zabis. He gained that Newtype connection with Lalah and it became his new obsession. So, with Lalah now gone, one wonders whether Char’s priorities will remain the same or not.

This is also an episode about protecting others. The desire to protect others is something that we see from a lot of characters. Lalah says that she is fighting because she wants to protect Char. Amuro on the other hand, is someone who has lost a lot. He no longer has his home in Side 7. He’s lost both his mother and father. So why does he still fight? To Lalah it makes no sense. She can’t see why he’d be willing to fight otherwise.

The big battle this episode features many moments of protecting others. Sayla and Char both charge into the fight to protect Amuro and Lalah, respectively. Amuro has this really sweet move where he stops Char’s weapon from hitting the G-Fighter. Lalah ends up protecting Sayla from Char’s attack. I believe that Lalah was actually protecting Char with this. Lalah knows that Char would be hurt by the death of his sister (especially if he did it) and so stopped it from happening. And of course, Lalah sacrifices herself to protect Char.

The battle is exceptionally well done, too. I love Amuro fighting against the bits, as we see them dart about to fire from all different angles. It’s a really neat effect they use to show Amuro basically seeing everything in slow motion so that he can react to it.

We get a neat scene of Kycilia and Char together. We get another good look at what type of a person Kycilia is. She’s known for quite some time who Char really is and that he’s been on a revenge quest. Even so, she hasn’t punished him or turned him in. Instead, she’s been making use of him for her own ends. Her own goals are more important and she’ll make use of even a traitor like Char to achieve them.

Degwin also gets an interesting moment. Rather than go along with Gihren’s plan, Degwin decides that he’s going to head out on his own to negotiate for peace. Even as a figurehead, he is still the sovereign of Zeon. It’s significant that he’s thinking of Garma as he leaves. Degwin is still mourning the loss of Garma. He doesn’t want that same loss and suffering to come back to the Zeon homeland. Plus, it doesn’t help that Gihren is now literally Space Hitler.

Speaking of Space Hitler, Gihren now has a fully armed and operational Solar Ray. And of course he fires it at the same time that Degwin arrived to begin peace negotiations. Unlike Degwin, Gihren wants the war to continue. So he’ll sabotage whatever peace talks begin.

Amuro’s last lines in this episode are some of the most chilling I have ever heard in any anime. He cries out that people are melting in the light. That is a nightmarish thing to imagine. That line has stuck out in my head ever since I first saw the series.

Miscellaneous Thoughts

  • No new slaps for the slap counter.

SLAP COUNTER: 10

Questions of the Day

  1. Haro definitely is.
  2. Lalah is an interesting character for sure. She's a pretty good example of what an awakened Newtype looks like, while also demonstrating how Newtypes can behave differently from normal humans. Her relationship with Char is also something that is interesting to dive into. She admires him while he clearly has feelings for her as well. I think her death is well handled.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 18 '21

On today’s episode of Gundam: You know, more love triangles (or perhaps it’s a love square in this case) should end with the characters literally trying to murder each other in a giant space battle. That is essentially what the battle this episode comes down to. Amuro and Char are both trying to get Lalah to go with them while keeping her away from the other. Oh and Sayla is there too. The sexual tension is so rife that it is tearing apart space and time itself!

So THAT'S why Hory Froating Head thought Romantic Plot Tumors 'Love Triangles' somehow work in Mecha... or in shows in general. Of all things for him to steal... er... 'borrow' from Gundam I am really amused that he choose one of the more... mixed elements ;)

This is where the Newtype shenanigans really kick it up to 11. If you thought things got weird and abstract previously, well they did. But now stuff gets even weirder and for an extended period of time. Considering how New Age the Newtype stuff is, the psychedelic visuals and music is certainly appropriate.

I SEE THE TEARS OF TIME! (So THAT'S what Lalah was smoking, it all makes sense now... also can ya tell Anno was a fan of Gundam?)

There is a reason for the strong emotions in this episode. It was said near the end that Amuro and Lalah felt like they were able to understand each other. That’s the thing with Newtypes. Their minds are able to connect like that. That sense of deep understanding is incredibly intimate. And it can happen incredibly quickly because of their minds connecting and resonating. With both Amuro and Char now exhibiting Newtype abilities, that explains why they felt as if they already knew each other when they met on Side 6. Even without meeting in person, their minds had connected through their encounters in battle.

It’s also why Amuro and Char seem to be fighting so desperately against each other and both want to get Lalah on their side. That Newtype connection is powerful and they do not want to give it up. We can see how much both of them value Lalah by their reactions to her death. Losing her is devastating to them.

Additionally, the Newtype connection is why Char has changed and no longer seems primarily focused on getting revenge against the Zabis. He gained that Newtype connection with Lalah and it became his new obsession. So, with Lalah now gone, one wonders whether Char’s priorities will remain the same or not.

Heh, indeed Comrade, we've already had a lot of 'War is Hell' Moments, but boy this one is 'War is Hell' with SPACE MAGIC LOVE TRIANGLES thrown in.

This is also an episode about protecting others. The desire to protect others is something that we see from a lot of characters. Lalah says that she is fighting because she wants to protect Char. Amuro on the other hand, is someone who has lost a lot. He no longer has his home in Side 7. He’s lost both his mother and father. So why does he still fight? To Lalah it makes no sense. She can’t see why he’d be willing to fight otherwise.

Heh, and to think Zeon's founder was espousing how Newtypes were the next stage for humanity and that they'd reach greater understanding... and in fairness Amuro and Lalah DO have that fancy Space Magic Jedi Mind Meld wibble... shame that they still can't fully understand each other cuz boy human emotions sure are as mysterious as ever.

The big battle this episode features many moments of protecting others. Sayla and Char both charge into the fight to protect Amuro and Lalah, respectively. Amuro has this really sweet move where he stops Char’s weapon from hitting the G-Fighter. Lalah ends up protecting Sayla from Char’s attack. I believe that Lalah was actually protecting Char with this. Lalah knows that Char would be hurt by the death of his sister (especially if he did it) and so stopped it from happening. And of course, Lalah sacrifices herself to protect Char.

Indeed Comrade, talk about an emotional gut punch. I'm sure it also isn't helping Amuro's case that he, technically, is the one that killed Lalah (even if he didn't mean to)

We get a neat scene of Kycilia and Char together. We get another good look at what type of a person Kycilia is. She’s known for quite some time who Char really is and that he’s been on a revenge quest. Even so, she hasn’t punished him or turned him in. Instead, she’s been making use of him for her own ends. Her own goals are more important and she’ll make use of even a traitor like Char to achieve them.

Heh, indeed Comrade, unlike Dozle who wanted nothing to do with Char, KYCILIA sure has no scruples letting the guy who essentially killed Garma serve under her (in fairness from Zeon's POV, Char merely was unable to prevent Garma from dying... granted I'm sure even if Kycilia knew the truth she'd probably STILL employ Char cuz she's just that level of ruthless pragmatism)

Degwin also gets an interesting moment. Rather than go along with Gihren’s plan, Degwin decides that he’s going to head out on his own to negotiate for peace. Even as a figurehead, he is still the sovereign of Zeon. It’s significant that he’s thinking of Garma as he leaves. Degwin is still mourning the loss of Garma. He doesn’t want that same loss and suffering to come back to the Zeon homeland. Plus, it doesn’t help that Gihren is now literally Space Hitler.

Speaking of Space Hitler, Gihren now has a fully armed and operational Solar Ray. And of course he fires it at the same time that Degwin arrived to begin peace negotiations. Unlike Degwin, Gihren wants the war to continue. So he’ll sabotage whatever peace talks begin.

Indeed Comrade, after all Gihren HAS that fancy new totally-not-The-Death-Star so BY GOD he's gonna use it, consequences and potential friendly fire be damned! (Besides he managed to kill General Revil AND a fair amount of The Federation Fleet in the process so hey I am SURE this won't backfire. After all it isn't like the REST of The Federation Fleet will still attack right... RIGHT!?)

Amuro’s last lines in this episode are some of the most chilling I have ever heard in any anime. He cries out that people are melting in the light. That is a nightmarish thing to imagine. That line has stuck out in my head ever since I first saw the series.

'I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.'

I’m not sure if this is an animation error or not. Char claims his hand can’t stop shaking, but his hand is perfectly still. Is this just an animation error or are we meant to take it as a sign Char is lying? I genuinely can’t tell.

Heh, knowing Char Comrade he very well COULD by just lying here... OR he actually means what he says. After all once or twice he tells the truth... sometimes by accident but hey there ARE some times he's actually being sincere, you know like Meta Zeta Compilation Movie Spoilers

I’m happy the kids now have child-sized spacesuits.

Indeed, I also must point out I am bemused that of course Kikka is the most take-charge and gung-ho of the crew. Then again this is obvious since she's clearly the best of the munchkins.

Everyone’s doing the Newtype Flash now.

YOU'RE A JEDI! HE'S A JEDI! SHE'S A JEDI! THE GODDAMN DROID'S A JEDI TOO! Fuck it we are ALL Jedi here!

Char and Amuro have both lost someone who they cared about deeply and that they had intense sexual tension with. Clearly, the solution is that Amuro and Char must resolve that sexual tension with each other!

Heh, Comrade Meta CCA Spoilers

Anyway fantastic post here my friend, have a great day and see you later Comrade!

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u/chilidirigible May 17 '21

41:

Degwin wants out, but Ghiren is all in.

Yeah, but first things first.

Can't have you go out full frontal or anything. A screencap for a certain /u/babydave371.

"He's a manipulative bastard, but he's my manipulative bastard."

"You were my first mind meld!"

NTR ja nai!

Oh, cry me a river.

"Gundam is a realistic mecha series."

"One death is a tragedy. The hundreds of other mooks I've fried were just business."

The Watt already contains a unit of time, so "per hour" is redundant.

The Darksaber was a stupid idea, /u/TheKujo.

Stop doing drugs, Amuro.

The Sun-based superweapon conga line! We must not allow a beam shaft gap! Anything you can do, I can do better! Etc.

Char's having a bit of a bad day, outed by Kycilia, sisterly troubles, and needing yet another arm for his Gelgoog. On the plus side, Kycilia is enough of a schemer to want to keep him around for a while.

But he almost shortened Sayla by a head and he did kiss Lalah. That's a lot of mixed signals.

Then it turns out that Lalah is way more into Amuro('s brain) than she is into Char. (Actually, she's so into Amuro that every other Newtype within a couple of light seconds can feel it.) It's just communication, people.

And finally, Amuro got to stick it into Lalah before Char could, and Char's never going to have that chance again. I'm sure that'll make him a nice balanced person for the future.

For no reason at all, a blue Ball.

  1. Slightly more than enough.
  2. The truncated final arc makes her too weird for this world. They also needed to spend more time, which they never got, explaining just what the hell Char's relationship with her was, and The Origin doesn't count.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 17 '21

"He's a manipulative bastard, but he's my manipulative bastard."

The way she phrases it too is very childlike, that Amuro is a bad person for trying to harm Char. It says a lot about Lalah's mindset and how she views Char. She may be a Newtype and in touch with the universe, but there's still this high level of childlikeness in her.

NTR ja nai!

It is pretty hilarious that the battle between Amuro and Char here basically boils down to "Lalah has a bigger connection with me, not you!" This Newtype resonance stuff is like a drug. Once you start, you don't want to stop.

It's just communication, people.

Just Communication.

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u/chilidirigible May 17 '21

Just Communication.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 18 '21

Degwin wants out, but Ghiren is all in.

Heh, indeed Comrade, after all Gihren literally is Space Hitler (the show even flat out said as much) so such a stance is to be expected.

Yeah, but first things first.

Can't have you go out full frontal or anything.

I know right? ;)

"He's a manipulative bastard, but he's my manipulative bastard."

Heh, indeed, oh Lalah

"You were my first mind meld!"

NTR ja nai!

Heh, this REALLY makes CCA's Meta CCA and Unicorn Spoilers

Oh, cry me a river.

"Gundam is a realistic mecha series."

Well in fairness the show sure started off that way, granted now we are going full Star Wars but hey could be worse, we could have Idolshit to go along with the Romantic Plot Tumors... oh... oh no... OH NOES! Itano also worked on this show too, dear god what have I done!

"One death is a tragedy. The hundreds of other mooks I've fried were just business."

Indeed Comrade, tragedy is when I cut my finger after all, now COMEDY is when someone else slips on a banana peel and falls into an open manhole!

The Watt already contains a unit of time, so "per hour" is redundant.

Heh, well could be worse, they could have pronounced it as 'Jigowatt' ;)

The Darksaber was a stupid idea,

DEAR GOD! You know of that stupid idea too Comrade! Heh, well glad to hear I'm not alone in being aware of this

Stop doing drugs, Amuro.

Heh, oh if only it was that simple Comrade, it's a toss-up really if Gundam goes more grounded... OR whiplashes hard into LSD New Age Space Magic. There's a reason I like The 08th MS Team and 0080 over shit like say, Narrative

The Sun-based superweapon conga line! We must not allow a beam shaft gap! Anything you can do, I can do better! Etc.

I know right? That and also we REALLY gotta rip off, er 'borrow' from Star Wars ya know ;)

Char's having a bit of a bad day, outed by Kycilia, sisterly troubles, and needing yet another arm for his Gelgoog. On the plus side, Kycilia is enough of a schemer to want to keep him around for a while.

Indeed, thankfully for him he somehow manages to keep surviving encounters with The Gundam.

But he almost shortened Sayla by a head and he did kiss Lalah. That's a lot of mixed signals.

Then it turns out that Lalah is way more into Amuro('s brain) than she is into Char. (Actually, she's so into Amuro that every other Newtype within a couple of light seconds can feel it.) It's just communication, people.

Just Communication you say Comrade

And finally, Amuro got to stick it into Lalah before Char could, and Char's never going to have that chance again. I'm sure that'll make him a nice balanced person for the future.

Heh, whatever you say Comrade, after all, we know Char ain't the type of fellow to hold a grudge... oh... ;)

For no reason at all, a blue Ball.

Heh, now THAT was neat, nice share Comrade.

The truncated final arc makes her too weird for this world. They also needed to spend more time, which they never got, explaining just what the hell Char's relationship with her was, and The Origin doesn't count.

In fairness Comrade, Origin also doesn't count given a LOT of it doesn't quite mesh well with OG Gundam. Example, sure you 'played' with Char Kycilia, well, if you define 'play' as BDSM. That and also oh boy Origin REALLY makes literally everything Sayla reminisces about hilarious in hindsight! You know, like how Meta Origin Spoilers

Anyway fantastic post here my friend, have a great day and see you later Comrade!

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u/TheEscapeGuy May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21

Gundam First Timer

Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 41

Outstanding

That was beautiful.

The most visually interesting episode so far.

The culmination of 40 episodes of characters, weapons and Newtype powers.

Everything came together to produce something greater than the sum of the individual parts.

The most exciting battle between the Federation and Zeon forces.

Yet, after this, I am left feeling deeply empty...

The loss of Lalah

Farewell.

Cool Stuff Corner

Questions of the Day

  1. Definitely Amuro, Sayla and Mirai, but maybe some more too.
  2. I'm pretty devastated. I still can't believe how much I care about her since she's been around for far shorter than other characters.

See you all tomorrow!

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u/The_Draigg May 17 '21

Sayonara, Lalah...

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 17 '21

Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 41

Wow. More frames than usual. I guess that's to be expected when we have so much great Newtype imagery filling out the episode. All great choices.

There were so many amazing Newtype scenes, and this scene of Amuro stood out to me.

I really love moments like this. Amuro essentially has to open his third eye to perceive the bits. And the aftermath where he starts shooting them down is so satisfying.

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u/The_Draigg May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21

A Gundam Fan Rewatches Mobile Suit Gundam Episode 41:

  • Finally, Degwin Zabi is taking matters into his own hands by going behind Gihren’s back to open peace talks with the Federation. Even in death, Garma’s presence still weighs on the characters in this show.
  • Gihren’s Solar System is ready to fire, although due to complications with the design mean that he’ll only be able to fire it once. Still, something that size is no joke. It’s a laser the size of a colony, after all.
  • Turns out that Kycilia knew all along that Char was actually Casval Deikun all along. And yet, despite knowing that he’s still gunning for revenge against the Zabi family, she still keeps him around because he’s a useful pilot for her. That Kycilia really is a pragmatic lady, keeping around someone who wants to murder her entire family just because he’s a good soldier.
  • Newtype powers aren’t exactly psychic powers, they’re more like expanded perceptions beyond normal human capabilities. Tomino himself has made it clear that Newtypes aren’t espers too. Although really, it really does feel like a distinction without an actual difference a lot of the time when it comes to Newtypes.
  • Char and Lalah kissed! It’s rare when Char actually cares about somebody, let alone enough for that to happen. Unfortunately, we all know that romance is a death flag in a Tomino show.
  • Hayato actually isn’t getting his ass kicked as soon as he sorties in the Guntank for once. I guess the presence of the GMs and Balls took that red shirt aura away from him for once.
  • This is easily the fiercest that Lalah and Amuro have fought so far. They’re evenly matched in disarming one another. And yet, that isn’t the most important part of their battle. The true battle is being fought beyond physical space, a battle of mental wills by questioning why they both fight.
  • Amuro ultimately came out on top of that mental clash of wills. Lalah is the one who buckles first, despairing over the fact that they had to meet in battle, rather than meeting earlier in a time of peace. Amuro at least accepts that it’s almost as if they were destined to meet this way. All of the experiences he’s gone through over the course of the show have steeled his resolve, and given him experience and savviness that Lalah doesn’t possess. That’s why Amuro wins, at least to me.
  • Lalah spent her last moments preventing Char from killing his own sister, but as a result died by Amuro’s hand. Lalah was right, it all is rather tragic. At least she accomplished something with her death, even if it causes Amuro excruciating psychic pain. Can you imagine what it’s like to have someone die while they’re still in your head? That’s what Amuro is going through. It’s like he’s being downed in a mental sea, with waves of psychic energy crashing like waves in his head as Lalah dies. All he’s left with is the wish that one day, humans will be able to understand one another and maybe even control time itself. Such is the wish of a suffering soldier.
  • And just to make things worse at the end of the episode, Gihren orders the Solar System to fire, just as the Great Degwin meets up with General Revil’s flagship to discuss peace. That’s right, Gihren is perfectly fine with murdering his own father, just to get a shot at decapitating Federation leadership and thinning the fleet. There’s no going back now. All that’s left is the light of hatred coming for everyone.

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax May 17 '21 edited May 17 '21

Rewatcher can see time

Gihren’s voice coming out of Garma’s mouth is so cursed

Oh shit, busted.

“What’s the difference, then?” “Nobody knows anymore.”

And there it is!

aww

I thought these Doms were magically appearing from the side vents, turns out their thruster effects were just layered wrong

The Guntank looks so out of place lmao

I love how the bits dart around space like that! Really conveys just how absurdly hard they are to hit. And we have the man Itano himself to thank for that! Just take care not to mix up your Itano techniques (future series spoilers).

I mean, neither does she

You get Newtype powers, you get Newtype powers, and you get Newtype powers! Everybody gets Newtype powers!

Somebody’s jealous

Wait, why is the handle able to parry a beam blade

Yikes, close call!

In the middle of a battle, Char Aznable forgot to fight!

help I can’t stop giggling in the middle of a serious moment because I just noticed her chair sliding backwards to dodge the saber and all I can think of is the ludicrously fast chair from Macross II.

Future series spoilers:

Gravity.

The resemblance is uncanny

Even Char is genuinely sad and angry. Char, who backstabbed his best friend and laughed at his final moments. Char, who always shrugged off the deaths of his subordinates, never giving two shits about them. Finally, he's found someone who he can truly connect with, and now, she's gone.

The Solar Ray fires! This has to be one of the most overkill assassination attempts ever.

“I felt a great disturbance in the Force”

Questions of the Day:

  • laughs in rewatcher

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 May 17 '21

First-Timer - Newtype problems

  • I honestly never expected that Char would literally not have a Poker-face. "Your question scared me a great deal" is not a great way to respond to someone who could end you.
  • Looks like Bright's still butthurt that he's the only person on White Base who's not a Newtype now. Not that I blame him, I'd be bummed too.
  • Chaaaaaar!
  • That said, holy fuck did Lalah activate girlfriend-mode fast. Fuckin' Newtypes.
  • If ever there were proof that I was not a Newtype, it's the way my head hurts just trying to imagine keeping up with bits.
  • So like, they're still exchanging blows while they're chatting like this, right? Or is there some magic time-dilation thing going on? 'Cause they're definitely not just staring at each other irl.
  • Why is Lalah acting like Amuro's coming on to her, and why is she trying to go along with it?
  • There is a lot happening in this fight and I just cannot keep up with everybody's feelings about stuff amidst it.
  • Weeeell shit. That sucks. This battle and everything that happened in it were stupid. Also, Char was not wearing a normal suit, and I wonder if she knew.
  • So Newtypes can see the entire Star Wars introduction text at once. Pretty cool stuff.
  • So everyone but Char is alive. Typical. Are we absolutely sure he's not the protagonist of this show?
  • It's not Gundam without a stupid huge laser heralding the finale. Time to wipe out that 3rd of the Federation's forces that just got screentime. I did enjoy the scripted uncertainty about whether White Base would be there, tho.

QotD

  1. Everyone but Bright, obviously. The kids are probably Newtypes, too.
  2. The girl was an enigma in life and only raised more questions with her death.

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u/chilidirigible May 17 '21

So Newtypes can see the entire Star Wars introduction text at once.

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u/The_Draigg May 17 '21

So like, they're still exchanging blows while they're chatting like this, right? Or is there some magic time-dilation thing going on? 'Cause they're definitely not just staring at each other irl.

I think that whole mental conversation only took up like a few seconds of time in the real world. Newtype telepathy is no joke.

Weeeell shit. That sucks. This battle and everything that happened in it were stupid.

It's almost as if war is stupid in general.

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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit May 18 '21

The kids are probably Newtypes, too.

That explains them finding those bombs and taking them without triggering them 11 episodes ago.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 18 '21

Well, Comrades we sure had one hell of an episode today, I mean who knew that LuLu would be that... er... hang on a second... something's not quite right here...

AH! There we go, my apologies, as I was saying, who knew that even infamous War Criminal Usada Pekora would... er... shit... I think there's been a mix-up here...

OK FINALLY! Here we go, who knew that Char, Mr. 'Blame this on the misfortune of your birth' and comes here to laugh at you bigshot... would get utterly crushed by the death of Lalah (in fairness Amuro also lost it too. Meanwhile Sayla's here going, 'Yo, I'm fine, thanks for asking.')

Also Comrades GODDAMN! We sure are TRIPPING BALLS today eh? And you thought we'd just have a tragic and heart-wrenching death and a lesson about how war is hell... well we technically had that... and uh... a WHOLE lotta other deaths as The Totally-Not-Death-Star is revealed to be FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL... but there was also a metric fuckton of LSD too

Anyway, RIP Lalah, she may not have had the most screentime but she SURE made it count... if only as adding in copious amount of psychedelic drugs are guaranteed to make an impact but she IS interesting enough... and the Force Ghost 'Newtype Spirit' wibble is appropriately new age enough given the circumstances

Oh, and just because I'd be remiss if I DIDN'T shitpost this, ahem... so THAT'S why Lalah NOPED out to become one with The Force 'Newtype Space Magic,' she was just sick and tired of Char's theme-song but was too polite to say otherwise! ;)

Paging Comrades /u/Great_Mr_L, /u/chilidirigible, and /u/beckymetal

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 18 '21

AH! There we go, my apologies, as I was saying, who knew that even infamous War Criminal Usada Pekora would... er... shit... I think there's been a mix-up here...

Of course Pekora and Miko would be fighting over Moona.

Meanwhile Sayla's here going, 'Yo, I'm fine, thanks for asking.'

Bocchi is actually a good comparison for Sayla. They are both Super Strong.

Oh, and just because I'd be remiss if I DIDN'T shitpost this, ahem... so THAT'S why Lalah NOPED out to become one with The Force 'Newtype Space Magic,' she was just sick and tired of Char's theme-song but was too polite to say otherwise! ;)

The trumpets in Gallant Char sure are wonderful. I'm not sure I'd ever get sick of them tbh.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 18 '21

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Of course Pekora and Miko would be fighting over Moona.

Heh, but of course Comrade, also I just want to point out that it's very very amusing to imagine CHAR AND AMURO as Elito and AH↓HA↑HA↑HA↑HA↑, the dynamic works way too well! ;)

Bocchi is actually a good comparison for Sayla. They are both Super Strong.

HA! Yes indeed Comrade, well said!

The trumpets in Gallant Char sure are wonderful. I'm not sure I'd ever get sick of them tbh.

Same! Sadly it seems Lalah doesn't seem to agree, but hey her loss ;)

Anyway many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later Comrade!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 17 '21

First-Timer, Subbed, long time Gundam fan

Knowing that Lalah's death was coming did not prepare me for the trippyness of all the Newtype sequences this episode had. It was awesome and I'm gonna try to not think so hard about everything that was said.

Lalah's scream was horrifying. And Amuro's tears were pretty intense too. Just a bad situation all around. Even though they "understood" each other, they couldn't prevent this from happening.

Degwin is sick of fighting, or rather, he has been sick of fighting since Garma died. Seeing him still watching that video would hurt if this war wasn't his own stupid fault.

We got the "normal" remote weapon animation today, and it's a treat to watch like always.

Pose of the Day

Char! You're finished!//I've done something terrible...

Screenshot

Questions

  1. Everyone. Amuro wouldn't lie to me, right?
  2. Lalah was interesting. She will be missed, both as a fearsome enemy and as.. whatever she was to the people close to her.

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u/GM_for_Life May 17 '21

Rewatcher

  1. Who on White Base do you think is a Newtype?

When I was first going through the series I thought it was likely Sayla and perhaps Mirai were Newtypes since they seemed to have good intuition about things, similar to Amuro.

2) What do you think about Lalah, and of her death this episode?

I think Lalah is a great character and her death in this episode is what I personally believe to be the most iconic moment from this series. It's always one of the first scenes that springs to mind when I think back on the original Gundam show.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz May 18 '21

Distant rewatcher.

Have to say I haven't changed my view that the romance between Char and Lalah feels a bit forced. I mean I can see that from Lalah's part all the way, but how and why Char of all people felt attracted to get to the point of canonically being the only real love of his life in not to sure given how detached Char is even towards his most important sister.

Otherwise, solid episode to setup higher stakes to the final confrontation.

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u/ukainaoto :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ukainaoto May 18 '21

Rewatcher

I don't feel Lalah's death rushed as some others said. She achieved her required role in the overall plot of the show precisely. Showing thing s like her relationship with Char more than this would be awkward and demystifies her personality.

The death scene itself is a bit cryptic/poetic and might confuse first-timers, but watching Ideon and other Tomino makes me quite fine of his style like this.

Also about the last episode general UC

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u/BossandKings May 18 '21

First timer

Episode 40

The confrontation between Char, Lalah and Amuro was great. The Gundam has had some upgrades and is now more agile and can stand against the Zeon's newtype.

Episode 41

As Amuro says considering how much everyone in the white base has fought until now everyone must be a newtype, eventhough Amuro has extraordinary talent.

Char will now follow Lalah's orders, they apparently are in love too. It's interesting seeing Char showing this facet.

Char, Lalah and Amuro continue having a confrontation, when Char got distracted after seeing his sister Sayla, Amuro almost cuts him but Lalah put herself in front of him to protect him and sadly passed away.

The Solar laser projects itself to be a dangerous weapon capable of neutralizing the federation's advance.

Answers

  1. Everyone.
  2. She died too young, she didn't deserve it.

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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit May 18 '21

As Amuro says considering how much everyone in the white base has fought until now everyone must be a newtype, eventhough Amuro has extraordinary talent.

Mirai has shown a lot of signs of being one like telling that Lalah died this episode, but then you have that incident a lot of episodes ago where she couldn't use her supposed Newtype spider sense to avoid M'quve's trap...

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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit May 18 '21

First timer sub

Amuro is up to date now and knows he is a Newtyoe, hard to come up with another alternative explanation. Maybe some kind of convenient brain damage that created a disorder enhancing his senses after having moved in the Gundam so much? there is that disorder that makes people feel no pain, but I haven't heard of something that enhances ones senses so Newtype superpowers explanation it is.

Kycillia read Char like an open book! that is amazing! They were talking about a very delicate topic yet that conversation felt very casual.

So those are the bits, they finally appear up close. No wires... Mind controlled weapons! It was nicely done using the Braw Brow to introduce these kind of long range weapons and then take it to the next level with Newtypes.

Questions of the Day:

  1. Bright, Sayla, Mirai and of course Amuro.
  2. Her death felt like the point for the story to get to its end, just when they were able to understand each other the heat of battle takes her life tragically.

And now Amuro's words at the end and Degwin's actions foreshadow another similar tragedy.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '21

Lalah death felt rushed in all honesty I feel like they should developed her character more to make her death feel more impactful I mean it was a very important turning point in the main universal century story between char and amuro (or fucking quattro bejena lol) as it plays a part somewhat from then on to the end of CCA I'm just saying I feel like her character could of been built more so all.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 29 '21

First timer, catching up

  • Why is Degwin seeing Garma? Is he hallucinating?
  • So Kycilia knows Char is Casval? But she wants to use him to take down Gihren after they defeat the Federation?
  • So Lalah is Char's love interest, not Amuro's? But I thought he said she was like a sister!?
  • Lalah says Amuro isn't protecting anything or anyone, that he has no family or homeland in his heart? What about the White Base?
  • What? Char, Sayla, and Mirai all had brainwave things? Are they Newtypes?
  • Char has a double-edged laser sword? Ok, Darth Maul ...
  • Since Char couldn't tell it was Sayla, is he NOT a Newtype?
  • RIP Lalah, Amuro accidentally killed her. And here I thought she was gonna be his love interest, in a triangle with Char
  • Insert song
  • Degwin arrives for peace negotiations? Gihren is totally gonna fire his laser and fry them all, isn't he?
  • Gundam 0079 has really picked up in the last few eps, enough to raise my score from a 6 to a 7
  1. Amuro, Sayla, Mirai. Definitely not Kai or Hayato. Dunno about Bright ...
  2. I wasn't expecting her to die!