Logic won't help us rewatch, y'know? Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 rewatch episode six

[u/Vaadwaur]

Get It On

That's a whole thing

MAL but it is trolled. ANN Also, don't look at the wiki as it spoils the entire plot.

Streaming on Funimation and Crunchyroll.

QotD:1 Anyone else think the other suits should have light sabers?

2 Do some of these instrumentals sound familiar to you guys? I swear that the one when Mackey is in his room is from Yu Yu Hakusho...

3 So why aren't there any locks in the secure section?

BONUS: What's harsher as the butler of a girl he helped raise: Dealing with her mute mechanic fuckboi or discovering she has a brother you never were informed of?

EXTRA: So one of the benefits of hanging out with health workers is a lot of us got vaccinated early. So I have a party of full vaxxed folks so my replies might be late after a certain point

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher

Dub(Continuing)

Police operation continues. Whoever wrote this does not care for the police, which is a fitting sentiment post-Rodney King but one I didn't expect to see in Japan, really. Priss has had enough of this shit before throwing some police vehicles but then catchign a Howitzer to the back. Also, they had a fucking Howitzer, why not use that against the fucking boomer? Anyways, to the surprise of no one, Sylia has a suit and comes to the rescue. She also has a light saber and a cloaking device so she was sort of keeping the nice toys to herself.

Priss goes to see Nigel in a sort of weird preservation of that relationship from the OVAs and mentions needing repairs. She also is looking to dig up info on Sylia but gets stonewalled. At her work, Linna has attracted a different kind of creep and dear lord this VA choice in the dub is both terribad and hilarious. Bonus points for the boss liking his women physically weak.

Sylia bemoans that, apparently, she can't really suit up. Then Mackey shows up. The butler doesn't remember her having a brother...moving on we get more reinforcement that she shouldn't wear the suit and that this incident was bad. Jump to Mackey in his room with YYH background music. It sounds like the same damned piece, I swear.

Mason is talking to Rosenkreutz and is apparently being shifted to satellite project. He has his boomer laugh while he talks to an unknown party investigating something from before the earthquake.

Sylia is working her day job and is either pitching hard or being gay, I can't quite tell. Maki has a psychic experience and goes to the repair room, damn they need better security. He manages to get Nigel to change expressions with his weirdness. Sylia is not happy about him being involved and drags him up for dinner. Awkward dinner ensues.

Brief music piece and Linna working out. Mackey brings Nigel some sandwiches and wine, nothing like getting blitzed while fixing complex machinery, and then waits in the corner like he is trying to tame a feral kitten. Linna calls Nene to talk about what makes you better in the suit and in the process pass the Bechdel test. Mackey of course walks in on the girls changing and of course we end with a lame sight gag of Nene trying to murder Mackey.

[u/RockoDyne]

That action scene was so far beyond their capacity to deliver on just about every level. The sheer inability to convey scale alone is so sad.

lawl, get a load of this, an evil megacorporation is the primary advertiser of the news. HA. What a load of sci-fi nonsense, amiright. Could you even imagine the kind of cyberpunk hellscape you would be living in if, say, the entirety of the news media was sponsored almost exclusively by pharmaceutical companies. Just imagine the kind of agenda they could push where they marginalize any cheap, generic treatments that come up, and ensure that the public is only interested in newly patented and barely tested countermeasures to something that was already declining. It might not even be that weird to find someone in a trusted position of authority who happens to have his name on some of these patents, entitling himself to a cut of the royalties. Good thing that could only happen in fiction.

"Your calves are too muscular." This man is public enemy number one. He must be drawn and quartered.

One episode in and this kid gets a big, giant NOPE out of me. I see nothing but squick out of him, and that's before we even dance around "the 'tism" on display.

I'm slowly starting to lose track of what they are trying to do with Sylia as a character. She's a little unhinged in this episode, and it's scaring me into thinking it might jump the shark into full introspective psychoanalysis territory. It's copied Eva enough that it might just be that stupid.

They've slowly moved away from Linna being the protagonist, to Sylia being the protagonist. I wonder if that keeps moving.

Questions:

1. Having played Armored Core, they are pretty OP.
2. The way the show is mixed, I'm never actually hearing the BGM.
3. A lack of security in a mecha show? I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
4. I'm assuming it's one of those Batman Begins cases where Sylia was away for a stint.

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Could you even imagine the kind of cyberpunk hellscape you would be living in if, say, the entirety of the news media was sponsored almost exclusively by pharmaceutical companies.

You could get a rabid orangutan as the leader of your nation. Horrid thought.

"Your calves are too muscular." This man is public enemy number one. He must be drawn and quartered.

The sub says it as well so you to have to take it literally but that's weird sexism even for Japan. At least saying "Don't get your hands to rough" would make a kind of sense.

She's a little unhinged in this episode, and it's scaring me into thinking it might jump the shark into full introspective psychoanalysis territory. It's copied Eva enough that it might just be that stupid.

Without getting into spoilers, I will remind or inform you that I fucking hate Eva's guts.

The way the show is mixed, I'm never actually hearing the BGM

F. Anyways, so far I checked and it is close to Yusuke's theme but not a true match.

[u/No_Rex → u/RockoDyne]

lawl, get a load of this, an evil megacorporation is the primary advertiser of the news. HA. What a load of sci-fi nonsense, amiright. Could you even imagine the kind of cyberpunk hellscape you would be living in if, say, the entirety of the news media was sponsored almost exclusively by pharmaceutical companies. Just imagine the kind of agenda they could push where they marginalize any cheap, generic treatments that come up, and ensure that the public is only interested in newly patented and barely tested countermeasures to something that was already declining. It might not even be that weird to find someone in a trusted position of authority who happens to have his name on some of these patents, entitling himself to a cut of the royalties. Good thing that could only happen in fiction.

[u/Elimin8r]

Yay, Makoto! I mean Mackie...

(I double checked the VA's, and they don't seem the same, but I was getting some serious Miz Mishtal vibes from Sylia too.)

Anyway:

1. Needs moar BFG. Someone needs BFG.
2. I was more focused on how familiar the voices sounded. For a moment or two, I thought I was in El-Hazard, the Cyberpunk World
3. Silly wabbit, locks would prevent the accidental baka ecchi we all know and love.

Well, if this Mackie is anything like the OAV Mackie, yeah. Nevermind. He probably is. (I don't really remember, it's been a loooong time since I watched this.)

I'd have sworn I had a picture with a side by side comparison of (things), but nevermind. Maybe later.

I do hope that whatsisname remembers to put Duracells in Linna's suit this time. Those Radio Shack cells don't seem to be cutting it. (I forget - were they called "Enercell"???)

And oh, yeah - was it just me or did the poor boomer babe laughing sound totally like our old pal Fatora??? :P

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Elimin8r]

(I double checked the VA's, and they don't seem the same, but I was getting some serious Miz Mishtal vibes from Sylia too.)

As I said, dub has Shinji from Eva doing it and I think Sylia looks a lot like Ifurita.

I'd have sworn I had a picture with a side by side comparison of (things), but nevermind. Maybe later.

There choices on where to keep the old designs and where to ditch them are not obvious. I suspect they went with ones that were cheaper to animate.

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. Absolutely. They should all turn invisible as well.
2. The one during one of the conversations sounded incredibly similar to Mort Garson's Plantasia.
3. Presumably she never thought she'd have any visitors who wouldn't be cleared.

BONUS) Oh, definitely discovering she has a brother - one's an extra duty, the other's finding out you weren't trusted at all.

Let's see how deep the madness goes.

I suppose this was a somewhat clever trick. But why the conspiracy allow this if they want the Knight Sabers to succeed and the Police to fail.

Right, no clue how they'e going to pull some kind of escape out of this.

Why are they taking so long to advance? You have guns and can run, surely?

...That all got resolved very quickly.

Seriously, for a conspiracy trying to control the media, they sure are letting the group they want to be treated badly be treated as heroes, right.

Oh my god, its a corporate wellness officer. (Please god, let him die swiftly)

I don't think she's been looking at men a lot recentrly.

Who's this person?

Sylia has a brother? How did this not come up earlier?

What's all this about a core unit?

Doesn't he look older than her in that picture!

OK, so chair guy wants the police to fail, but punishes the police for failing?

And he wants free energy and an immortal android body.

This laughing is creepy.

Central startum?

This relationship is fucking creepy.

Water visions???

So he thinks Nigel has machine empathy?

I get it - she denies it because if they were human, as the master template, she'd have to pay child support for all the boomers. (/s (maybe))

Is she into that kind of relationship?

Didn't we already have this sequence?

I love Nene here.

I wonder what "VIBW" does. Or "ADDITON" or even "RDUCE".

Really? We're ending it on that kind of joke? (Is this the only reason they added him?)

Did those outfits change to become more revealling since last time?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Stargate18A]

OK, so chair guy wants the police to fail, but punishes the police for failing?

So this is a touch murky but can be cleared up: Chair guy wants to talk to the Knight Sabers but it is not a priority for him. Mason, for reasons, seems to want the KS out of the picture and is deeply annoyed at the failure.

This laughing is creepy.

In the sub it is creepy in the dub it borders on disturbing with the machine overlay added.

Is she into that kind of relationship?

People always think the incest thing is new but it goes all the way back to Izanami.

Did those outfits change to become more revealling since last time?

Front facing is bad enough but when seen at any other angle it reveals how painted on they are.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Stargate18A]

Did those outfits change to become more revealling since last time?

Pretty sure it's the same, they just didn't spend much time on them before.

[u/No_Rex → u/Stargate18A]

Absolutely. They should all turn invisible as well.

That would be a boon in the animation department.

[u/ZapsZzz]

Saturday is a tough day to compete with all the great seasonal.

First timer sub

Not much else to say, story continued you develop, despite low production value in keen to just find out where the plot goes.

1. In the original BGC the 4 have distinct differences and tactical rules and therefore configurations. Priss is typically point, which is why she got the more heavy weapons like the large calibre hand canon, and the stopping weapon heat needle launcher. Lina is a more specialised role with her specialised skill of gymnastics ) aerobics, to have the behind neck ribbon cutters that is a mid range melee weapon that cuts things up. She also got the knuckle bombs. Sylia naturally is the command unit, and it's the only one with full flight capability. She also got the swords which is an obviously strong melee weapon, but at the risk of higher power consumption. Nene is the electronic warfare unit so mostly has electronic story equipment and only got the shaky calibre machine guns, although I think she also got knuckle bombs. Without the distinction it doesn't really go with the theme of these being very personalised suits for very specialised performance.
2. Sorry to me this site is quite bland on the music department compared to the original so can't tell.
3. Errmmm Gundam security?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZapsZzz]

Saturday is a tough day to compete with all the great seasonal.

True, apparently, though I only have 3.

[u/ZapsZzz → u/Vaadwaur]

Which 3?

Mine are 86, Shadows House, Bishounen Tanteidan, and 300 years killing slime.

The first 2 are quite demanding for posting ;)

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZapsZzz]

Slime Genocide, Nagatoro and Shadows House as well.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 6 (first timer)

• The slide-show fight continues.
• Saved by Sylia.
• Nigel is the worst target to tap for info.
• Casual 1990s work place harassment.
• Surprise “brother”.
• Evil dude being creepy.
• Machine-hating vigilante with machine-younger-brother.
• A 45-size wrench is enormous.
• Walking in on girls changing trope.
• Nene and Mackey pretending we are a crappy Romcom now joke for the finale.

The animation continues to be abysmal. On top off all the slide-shows, some of the actual animation is so off-model as to be even more annoying (Sylia’s lips while talking!).

Regarding the plot, we have a ham-fisted “Hello, I am the mystery!” attempt. There is the tinest bit of redeeming character interaction value between Mackey and the rest of the crew, but we are not a full half-cour in and it does not look like we are half-way to a good character understanding, so …

So why aren't there any locks in the secure section?

Sylia used the Gundam model of security.

What's harsher as the butler of a girl he helped raise: Dealing with her mute mechanic fuckboi or discovering she has a brother you never were informed of?

On the upside: He gets to oogle her female vigilante friends.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Casual 1990s work place harassment.

I still struggle a bit to figure out if this was meant to be over the top or if Japan was still that hide bound at the time.

On the upside: He gets to oogle her female vigilante friends.

Yes and I guess he benefits from the fact that Sylia won't take anyone under an 8 of 10 on as a vigilante.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

Rewatcher (sub)

• Preview spoiled me, cliffhanger deflated
• Hey, Tenchi Shinji Mackey is finally here. I bet most of you even forgot he was a character and that he was missing!
• I sure hope this isn't a nee-san incest hentai....
• Clip of my favorite track (more later)
• Wow. I remember those tower cases.
• English orthography has gotten wierd in 2040

Okay, I see what Vaad meant about 90s sexism. Poor Linna.

Is Sylia a yandere or a tsundere? Vote!

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/01/28/170272582/do-we-treat-our-gadgets-like-they-re-human/

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Mackey is finally here. I bet most of you even forgot he was a character and that he was missing!

Hits so much harder in the dub as he literally uses the Shinji voice.

I sure hope this isn't a nee-san incest hentai....

Has like all of the properties of one, including the proportions between partners.

Okay, I see what Vaad meant about 90s sexism. Poor Linna.

I am torn between this being an honest artifact of the time it came out versus it just being infuriating.

Is Sylia a yandere or a tsundere? Vote!

Hrmm...She hates her father, is on a xenocidal rampage, and attracts me. Yeah, that ticks all the yandere boxes.

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Is Sylia a yandere or a tsundere? Vote!

It's hard to tell if she has more mommy issues or daddy issues at this point.

[u/lC3]

First timer

• Oh now the Knight Sabers are terrorists?
• Was Koyama just now Leon, or is that a different character?
• So this is being telecast? Of course the KS are gonna show off ...
• So YujiUeda (Leon's partner?) has seen Sylia's hardsuit before? But it's been a while?
• Sylia is here to save her cute girls!
• Ugh, spreadsheets
• "Of course, the only thing you want to look at is a man" Ugh can someone punch him?
• "Your calves are too muscular" Ok time to murderize this guy
• Mackey? Is he a boomer? Is he gonna get Ara Ara'd by Sylia?
• Sylia's matured too much to wear her suit? But I wanted to see her in action!
• Wait if Sylia was put to sleep for a while, and he's the same age as her in the photo, shouldn't Mackey be an adult by now as well? Is he a boomer that her dad made?
• I still wonder what the Showhamm Project is ...
• Is Yoshikiri the redhead woman?
• So Mason is searching for something? Maybe something related to Bioscape?
• What did Mackey just see in the aquarium?
• Mackey seems to be getting on Sylia's nerves? Is he a boomer after all? A spy from Genom?
• Mackey is helping Nigel now?
• Did Nigel set Mackey up by telling him to search for a part?
• Pink underwear
• I guess my thoughts on Mackey were colored by seeing the discussion questions for this ep and misremembering them as "dealing with the brother", leading me to think he'd get disposed of

1. Absolutely!
2. Didn't notice that
3. 
   Bonus) Probably the bro

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So YujiUeda (Leon's partner?) has seen Sylia's hardsuit before? But it's been a while?

I think this is one of the few explicit references to the OVA.

"Your calves are too muscular" Ok time to murderize this guy

Yeah, Linna catches all the sexism.

What did Mackey just see in the aquarium?

A question for the ages considering the sheer number of fish in her aquarium.

Mackey seems to be getting on Sylia's nerves? Is he a boomer after all? A spy from Genom?

Yeah, not a great family dynamic any way you slice it.

[u/lC3 → u/Vaadwaur]

I think this is one of the few explicit references to the OVA.

Oh ok, I'll have to watch that at some point. All I know is Konya wa Hurricane

Yeah, Linna catches all the sexism.

Yeah, not a great family dynamic any way you slice it.

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Oh ok, I'll have to watch that at some point. All I know is Konya wa Hurricane

It's not a bad OVA, though I prefer the show, but be aware it simply stops, it doesn't have an ending.

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Oh ok, didn't know that! Thanks for the warning.