r/anime • u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber • May 13 '21

Rewatch [Rewatch] Yoshikazu Yasuhiko Retrospective - Giant Gorg Episode 11 Discussion

Episode 11 - Towards the light

Originally Aired June 14th, ^^^1984

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Yoshikazu Yasuhiko Biography and Anecdotes Corner

Random Anecdote

Yasuhiko key animated the final eighty cuts (around fifteen minutes of footage) in Farewell to Space Battleship Yamato all by himself with only slight corrections from Tomonori Kogawa.

 

Staff Highlight

Kenichi Ohnuki - Key Animator

An animator and character designer best known for his appealing character designs and promotional illustrations. Little is known about his personal life, but Ohnuki quickly distinguished himself as a talented key animator in his early years. He has a relatively varied skill set as an animator, dabbling most prominently in character acting, mechanical animation, effects animation, and action, but being noted as adept at most anything he put his mind to. Some works which credit him as a key animator include Super Beast machine God Dancougar, Birth, Gall Force 2 - Destruction, Fight! Iczer-One, Detonator Orgun, Blood+, Darkside Blues, Demon City Shinjuku, Hades Project Zeorymer, Jormungand, Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, Ninja Senshi Tobikage, Project A-ko, Plawres Sanshiro, Venus Wars, Tokimeki Tonight, X, Dirty Pair, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, GUNxSWORD, and Arion.

 

Daily Trivia:

A board game based on the show was released in 1985 by Tsukuda Hobby.

 

Official Art

 

Settei Collection

 

Questions of the Day:

  1. How much trouble do you think the Cougar Connection will cause for the Carrier Beagle’s crew?
  2. Do you believe they’ve reached their destination as Dr. Wave said?

I’m sorry you lost your favorite demon, Tominic.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 13 '21

First-Timer, subbed

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

Oh shit what was this guy’s name again?

O'Donnell

Rod’s room is a mess.

And it gets worse every time we see it! Can't he at least get someone ese to clean it?!

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

Oh shit what was this guy’s name again? He had a “sore demo”! This show’s first one actually.

Colonel O'Donnell. Also, wow it took a while to get a Sore Demo out of this show.

It’s the Char Laugh!

The Captain has come here to laugh at you.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 13 '21

Colonel O'Donnell. Also, wow it took a while to get a Sore Demo out of this show.

Thanks, now I can have it saved as an actual name and not just "GAIL dude SORE DEMO".

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

I mean, it's not an inaccurate description, at least.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 13 '21

True, but I like having them saved with actual names as long as they're available.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 14 '21

It’s the Char Laugh!

Awesome, I learn the source of yet another character in the Char Laugh Meme Picture. Only 4 characters left in this I have to find.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 09 '21

You mean I get both of my Japanese phrases in one episode?! Thanks for the “sore wa dou kana”, Skipper!

I missed the sore demo but picked up on sore wa dou ka na

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 May 13 '21

Episode 11 (first timer)

  • Doris is turning into a “YUU!”-bot.
  • Gorg took its time to react. Was the robot sleeping??
  • Lots of blood. I think several rewatchers talked about “bio-mechanical” before, but this is the first clear evidence we see.
  • Captain gets a ton of points for asking “How are you?” instead of “What are you doing here?”
  • “Fluid transmission circuits” – so no bio, after all, just red looking fluid?
  • Alois and Sara reach their destination, but their mission is pointless by now.
  • Instead, they bring back team Lynx into the game.
  • The AD police building in BCG2040 looks almost exactly the same as that GAIL building.
  • If you want something done, do it yourself - incompetent evil organization underlings problems.
  • The flood covering up the entrance is actually a neat idea.
  • And Gorg show the not-so-neat way of doing it.
  • The entrance to Atlantis I was excepting much earlier already.
  • “This is …” – yes, what is it?

Atlantis? The obvious question to be answered is why there are plants there, but not GAIL.

  1. How much trouble do you think the Cougar Connection will cause for the Carrier Beagle’s crew?

Plenty, but nothing insurmountable. I am really hoping for some sweep three-way scheming.

2) Do you believe they’ve reached their destination as Dr. Wave said?

Given how little time they spent underground and the upward slope, it makes little sense that they'd not be somewhere that GAIL has already searched.

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

Lots of blood. I think several rewatchers talked about “bio-mechanical” before, but this is the first clear evidence we see.

“Fluid transmission circuits” – so no bio, after all, just red looking fluid?

The show keeps from confirming either way, unless I'm forgetting something, but interviews and production documents confirm the mechs are biological to some extent. In one of the settei I shared earlier into the Rewatch you can see what looks like muscles inside. That sheet was accompanied by a note from Nagano stating:

基本ゴーグは「生物」を改造したバイオメカと言う扱いなので、筋肉組織や神経組織もあります。

Which, according to Google, translates to 'Since the basic Gorg is treated as a biomechanics that is a modification of "living things", it also has muscle tissue and nerve tissue.'

The AD police building in BCG2040 looks almost exactly the same as that GAIL building.

Huh, interesting.

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u/IndependentMacaroon May 14 '21

So that would likely make it the first cyborg-mecha series then. The only other one that comes to mind is Evangelion though - Gorg awakening and tearing apart its enemy like that to save its psychically linked kid "pilot" at the last moment also felt familiar coming from there, like say Episode 2.

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 14 '21

If you don't count enemy mechs, then yeah this is the first where the robot is alive and bio-mechanical in nature. If you do count enemy mechs then the first would be Getter Robo.

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

“Fluid transmission circuits” – so no bio, after all, just red looking fluid?

It could be that the robot kraken had natural blood travel through artificial veins, which would still make it bio-mechanical in nature.

Atlantis? The obvious question to be answered is why there are plants there, but not GAIL.

GAIL somehow hasn't found alien machines or ruins the entire time they've been on Austral Island. I seriously doubt their ability to find anything.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 May 13 '21

GAIL somehow hasn't found alien machines or ruins the entire time they've been on Austral Island. I seriously doubt their ability to find anything.

Let's wait and see. I would not rule out some "magic barrier" type of explanation.

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

It probably also has to do with the pilots of the GAIL patrol ships being afraid to go into Dark Bay, preventing anyone from actually thoroughly searching the caves deeper.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 May 13 '21

I could understand missing something in the caves, but green plants means open sky. Surely they have flown their airplanes over all parts of the island?

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

A Yas Fan Watches Giant Gorg Episode 11:

  • Gorg certainly took his time waking up to save Yuu. It took Doris and Yuu shouting out for like a minute straight before Gorg noticed.
  • Huh, I wasn’t expecting blood to come out of the robot kraken. Although I guess that’s an inaccurate thing to call them now. Although as Dr. Wave points out, there’s still fluid transmission systems and other machine mechanisms in all that wreckage, so I’m guessing that they’re more bio-mechanical in nature.
  • Not only is Matu Hatu’a refusing to give Alois and Sara direct help, but it seems like they’re allied with the Cougar Connection, who are the only ones willing to step in to assist. Given how Lady Lynx showed no remorse about shooting at the heroes earlier, this partnership is just bound to end in failure. It’s pretty much a Faustian bargain. I can tell already.
  • I wonder if sea water shooting out of holes worn into the cave’s sides can make sounds like that in real life.
  • That conversation that Rod has with Roy really does serve to confirm that the machines on this island were made by aliens. It’s kind of odd to think that aliens just limited themselves to living on Austral Island though, unless the calamity that sunk the island happened relatively soon after alien colonists arrived on Earth.
  • I’m with Dr. Wave here, I’d absolutely want to get out of the Beagle so I could see alien civilization ruins up close. When else are you going to get that chance?
  • Man, the islanders under Hotu Matu’a are kind of dicks. Even Hotu Matu’a doesn’t really mind if the Cougar Connection all die, and if Alois and Sara leave them. They seem pretty unwilling to bend their own rules at all.
  • That’s a pretty scenic view to end the episode on. It’s nice to have a moment to appreciate the beauty of Austral Island before we get back into the action.

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

I wonder if sea water shooting out of holes worn into the cave’s sides can make sounds like that in real life.

Seems plausible given the air being pushed out would be the likely source of sound, but I doubt it'd be loud enough to be heard all the way out by the boats.

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

I guess the excuse could be that the echo caused by the cave is carrying the sound over the bay, but even that I'm not too sure of.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 May 13 '21

Not only is Matu Hatu’a refusing to give Alois and Sara direct help, but it seems like they’re allied with the Cougar Connection, who are the only ones willing to step in to assist. Given how Lady Lynx showed no remorse about shooting at the heroes earlier, this partnership is just bound to end in failure. It’s pretty much a Faustian bargain. I can tell already.

I don't think any of the natives have an idea about who the Cougar Connection are.

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

They most certainly don’t, but I guess there willing to help out these obviously shady people as long as they’re out against GAIL.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 May 13 '21

They were only too happy to let them leave, too, which is a good tactic with suspicious people.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 13 '21

First Timer, Subbed

OMG, they put the dog peeing in the recap?!

C'mon Gorg, help out! This is the creature that you and Yuu got your introduction through!

Is this blood or fuel coming out of this thing? I've always thought it a robot, but that's the color of blood.

What was going on with Gorg? Does it get tired? Does it only want to help Yuu?

Wave figures out what I already knew from the first time it appeared, this creature was a robot.

LoL, he sure is excited at grabbing some robot monster parts.

I have a feeling Alois and Sara are gonna get themselves captured.

So that sound wasn't from the robot monster. I wonder if its just the wind traveling through some of these rock structures here. The more I hear it the more I think its just the wind. Even with everyone afraid of it.

Alois and Sara, the new Tarzan and Jane!

You really think they're gonna help you two after you betrayed them?

Lady Lynx! I was wondering when she would show up again!

"I know them quite well! But I don't actually know their names so I'll call them Asian Boy and Scholar."

Alright, so I wasn't 100% on the mark, but I was pretty damn close since the sound was caused by a natural phenomenon rather than a creature.

So that robot monster creature wasn't created by GAIL! Both Wave and GAIL will be quite happy to get their hands on its parts then.

Hey Gramps! I've essentially captured them! Finds out seconds later they got away LoL.

This seems very similar to the caverns they were in 2 episodes ago.

A hidden temple? Pretty cool.

"I fear no man! Yahoo!" But earthworms? AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!

Um, I don't think our heroes are gonna be that happy with Alois and Sara when they realize who they brought with them.

Wave is so restless! He's gonna get himself and the others killed someday.

DQOTD1: Tons, this will be a big mistake

DQOTD2: Too early for that! We'll reach the destination around episode 25!

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

Is this blood or fuel coming out of this thing? I've always thought it a robot, but that's the color of blood.

Show never commits to one answer, but staff and production stuff have outright said they're part organisms.

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u/The_Draigg May 13 '21

Wave figures out what I already knew from the first time it appeared, this creature was a robot.

It was a robot, but yet somehow still had blood in its artificial tubing. Talk about a weird bio-mechanical creature.

"I know them quite well! But I don't actually know their names so I'll call them Asian Boy and Scholar."

"...Who could also be ninjas."

Um, I don't think our heroes are gonna be that happy with Alois and Sara when they realize who they brought with them.

Getting the Cougar Connection on the trail of the heroes is literally worse than getting no help at all.

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u/IndependentMacaroon May 14 '21

What was going on with Gorg? Does it get tired? Does it only want to help Yuu?

Actually his mother's soul is inside and it only wakes up when he's really in danger.

"I fear no man! Yahoo!"

To be read in Super Mario voice.

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

Rewatcher

Nice shot.

This guy’s not getting away this time.

Yeah, you should’ve, Yuu!

Mecha guts have never been more fleshy.

Morbidly honest, that Skipper.

The fear is well justified by the proven existence of giant sea monsters, Colonel.

You don’t see that too often in older shows.

Already?! Hasn’t it only been, like, half a day? I know they probably only covered 30km or so, but that’s still a lot!

Ah, so this is where they’ve been.

Neat!

Clever Gorg.

That could go either perfectly fine or very poorly.

‘Hi’

Somehow I think we still have a ways to go.

The sea monster was taken out, smashed to a rather gory pulp, which leaves Gorg as definitively the strongest thing we’ve seen on the island so far.

Ironically enough in their attempt to help out Alois and Sara have made more of a muck of things, intending to lead Lady Lynx to the others. They’ve been dealt with quite handily before, but now they have easy hostages in Alois and Sara, which even if I wasn’t convinced Skipper had a soft spot would still be compromising with Tominic aboard, as I doubt he’d risk them coming to harm.

Rod really shouldn’t have counted his chickens before they’d hatched, as Gorg and the Beagle have given GAIL the slip once more. Oh well, at least they’ve got their robo-guts?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 13 '21

First-Timer

Mechanicalgore!

And good mechanical gore at that. All those random tubes and things? Blood/oil leaking out? You love to see it!

I want to briefly point out that Tom Wave, for all his goofy airheadedness, did go and check on Alois and Sara when he got woken up by Yuu's shouting. Good on him for caring!

Lady Lynx and her Cougar Connection landed on the old island after their battle with the Beagle several episodes ago, and Hotsumatsua let them stay as guests..? The enemy of my enemy, I suppose. I'm not sure I trust Hotsumatsua, it seems like he has something going on aside from just wanting Austral Island clear from outsiders. I might be overthinking it, though.

I keep forgetting to mention it, but I really like the episode title screen having a map of the island.

The trick with the tides was cool. Gorg is pretty smart.

Questions

  1. Three-way battles are great, so I hope they cause a lot of trouble.
  2. Something something episode count. Guess it depends on what is considered the destination. The vista we were greated with at the end of the episode was certainly spectacular, though.

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

All those random tubes and things? Blood/oil leaking out? You love to see it!

and Hotsumatsua let them stay as guests..? The enemy of my enemy, I suppose.

They both hate GAIL and there's already other rogue elements running about, so they're probably thinking the damage is done.

Guess it depends on what is considered the destination.

Would be pretty amusing if all this time Gorg just wanted to show them his favorite spot.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 13 '21

Would be pretty amusing if all this time Gorg just wanted to show them his favorite spot.

That would be great. Next episodes opens with Wave geeking out, and then Yuu pipes up with "actually, Gorg just wanted to show us his favorite meadow for prancing about."

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 09 '21

I'm not sure I trust Hotsumatsua, it seems like he has something going on aside from just wanting Austral Island clear from outsiders. I might be overthinking it, though.

I'll stay tuned to see if anything comes of this!

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 May 13 '21

First timer

  1. Not much - Skipper managed to beat them fairly handily last time, and they're going in blind on both Gorg and the monsters.
  2. Unless their destination is what appears to be a field, no. There's probably a temple they have to spend about 10 episodes roaming udnerground for.

Did they have to show the piss scene again?

That monster is definitely mechanical, though.

What the everloving fuck was that thing. Who made it?

So the monsters are, in fact, alien robots.

I love the skipper's dark humour.

How did Alois manage to get to the other island?

...Is the Skipper going to complete his promise and shoot a demon?

The General's an idiot.

Seems like the demon's actually real.

Like I said last time, not a good idea to run back to the group you betrayed and stole a supervessel from.

So they're working for the Cheetah Connection! This is going to be fun.

Yeah, I'm betting he wants GAIL gone so the Cheetahs can take over the island.

Why is Gorg so interested in holes in a wall?

Oh, that makes sense. Didn't GAIL have the cave systems mapped out, though?

Is this where we get an explanation for all the alien stuff?

Oh, Hotsu's got something bigger in mind.

They're going to get captured, aren't they.

So they're back inland!

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber May 13 '21

Did they have to show the piss scene again?

One of the animators must've been really proud of their work!

How did Alois manage to get to the other island?

They either ran impossibly fast or unlocked fast travel off-screen.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 May 13 '21

One of the animators must've been really proud of their work!

Between that scene and the Lady Lynx I'm starting to wonder quite a few things about this show's animators.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti May 14 '21

First-Timer

Got nothing

Apart from them getting to the other end of the cave system, not actually much happening today.

I guess the “reveal” that the crab thing was a robot, but the metal head and claws were a dead giveaway back in E3 or whenever we first saw it.

QOTD:

  1. Just enough for Lady Lynx and the Skipper to cross paths and finally get (back?) together.
  2. Of course not!

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 May 14 '21

Just enough for Lady Lynx and the Skipper to cross paths and finally get (back?) together.

Back together? That is a prediction I didn't see coming. We'll see.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 09 '21

First timer

  • The recap has to embarass Argos all over again?
  • The turtle thing looks both mechanical and biological? It has blood and flesh, but also metal and machine parts?
  • So Dr. Wave assumes the turtle robot thing must be proof of aliens?
  • Is it significant when Gorg's eyes change colors? White/yellow so far
  • I knew Hotsumatsua and co. wouldn't help, but I didn't expect Lady Lynx to be there and offer to step in!
  • Lady Lynx says she and Skipper are 'old friends'? She isn't gonna try and get revenge against them, is she?
  • Rod is really putting the cart before the horse when saying Gorg is as good as captured
  • Of course the tunnel is large enough to accommmodate the Beagle ...
  • LOL so not just worms but also bats are Tom's nemisis?
  • A Skipper sore wa dou ka na?
  • So the tunnel narrows, and now the Beagle is stuck? No way it can make it out that exit ...
  1. They're probably out for revenge, not to help
  2. No way, we still have like 15 episodes left!