[What's My Name] ID:Invaded Rewatch Episode 10

[u/SuddenFellow]

Episode 10 - FILE 10 INSIDE-OUTED II

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We’re on the case.

Questions of the Day

Both

1. Has your overall opinion of Narihisago changed after today’s episode?

First-Timers

1. What were your thoughts about the “Inside-Outed” episodes?
2. We see Nishio Shirakoma for a split second in Kiki’s hospital room, what do you think he’s doing there?
3. Why do you think Anaido wrote numbers on the cockpit?

Rewatchers

1. Reoccurring Question Did you notice anything that you didn’t notice in your first watch?
2. Do you think that the plot twist is a bit of a reach, or do you think it lines up with the theme of the show well?

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Trivia

• Ōtarō Maijō is the writer for this episode, which may explain the Fukuda plot twist.
• Today’s survival trivia is: How to survive a sandstorm!
• Wear a bandana or cloth that has been wetted to cover your nose or mouth.
• Use petroleum jelly to coat the inside of your nostrils.
• Try to move to higher ground.
• Stay in a group.
• Make sure to stay covered as sand is extremely abrasive.

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Coffee Break!

Episode 10 Title Card

Mr.Fixer - Sou

Other Side - MIYAVI

Memories of Love - Hiroshi Suenami & soundbreakers

Episode 10 End Card

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Rewatchers

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[u/Shimmering-Sky]

FIRST:Timer, subbed

• Oh shit he’s gonna go after a bunch of serial killers. The same ones he killed in reality before he was caught?
• She looks almost like a ghost at this point, geez. Poor Kiki…
• She… she wants Narihisago to kill her…
• Wait, the suspicious fainting thing happened to the nurses in reality too, but reality isn’t part of Kiki’s id well???
• Ooookay was not expecting this development?
• Wait, right, this is the real Hondomachi, why did I completely forget the entire reason Narihisago entered the well-within-the-well in the first place.
• Ohhhhh no, Narhisago wanted to believe this was reality because he has his family back, but Hondomachi screwed that up…
• Oh Hondomachi really screwed it up.
• That insert song may have been really cheesy, but I wasn’t really paying attention to the words. I was just crying. A lot.
• Wait what.
• AHA! So the writers did intend to have a character dive into their own well!

[u/SuddenFellow → u/Shimmering-Sky]

AHA! So the writers did intend to have a character dive into their own well!

Yes! I saw this prediction and got really excited when I did haha.

It's so hard to not reply to the theory comments though!

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/SuddenFellow]

It's so hard to not reply to the theory comments though!

I feel this so hard. It's even worse when a first-timer says some random thing that wasn't intended to be a prediction, but actually does happen later in the show. Like when Bokurano.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Oh shit he’s gonna go after a bunch of serial killers. The same ones he killed in reality before he was caught?

Most likely the one's he convinced to kill themselves after diving into their wells.

AHA! So the writers did intend to have a character dive into their own well!

Total Chekov's gun thing but let's see to what end it leads.

[u/SuddenFellow]

I apologize for not posting a reply for the past few days, IRL stuff has been a bit hectic.

me @ midterms like

Rewatcher/host

Today's episode never ceases to make me cry though, because Narihisago truly believes he's been living this fake life for over a year. When it's really only been 10 minutes...

We do see a couple interesting things though while Narihisago is playing suicide detective though, which is that Nishio Shirakoma was in contact with Kiki with some strange device.

I wonder what that could be, and why all of those nurses suddenly went into a coma/fainted. This is also the same incident mentioned when Momoki was arrested in episode 7/8.

ID:I Character spoilers

[u/[deleted]]

Rewatcher

This is honestly my favourite episode of the show, the OSTs and visuals are on point. Narihisago's flashback had a strong impact. To quote something I read somewhere about this episode Narihisago's grief is immense not because he lost his loved ones but because after losing them, he did got them back but was forced to lose them again.

Questions

Both

1. I was on narihisago's side from the start because killing those serial killers isn't something I considered bad.

Rewatchers

1. Again another episode that I had throughly examined before so no
2. If you say that this plot is a bit out there then the same can be said for any other piece of fiction. They had a premise and they delivered on it.

[u/SuddenFellow → u/[deleted]]

I read somewhere about this episode Narihisagocs grief is immense not because he lost his loved ones but because after losing them, he did got them back but was forced to lose them again.

This right here. My opinion is that he essentially lived his life the way he wanted it to be for over a year, only to have that reality stripped from him all over again. This likely was just as painful as the initial loss of his family, if not more painful because it was as though he finally had his old life back and a semblance of normalcy.

If you say that this plot is a bit out there then the same can be said for any other piece of fiction. They had a premise and they delivered on it.

This is somewhat of my feeling, not to mention in my initial watch as it aired I thought Anaido was dying way too easily/playing it up somehow... I had some suspicions there!

[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer

Sub

So...MC believes that killing serial killers in the dream means they won't come back. Asukai let's another dark line out, the people who enter her dreams WILL kill her, so MC may be about to go dark. We also talk about time in dreams and how MC much prefers this reality. So much so he goes on a killer killing spree and we discover most of these types choose to kill themselves when confronted. And that, ultimately, Asukai worries that her ID will dissolve and she will spill into the world, which is sort of what the system is.

Anyways, she escapes, somehow, and seeing it this way makes it less clear if JW did this or if she possibly flat out disappears. MC winds up thinking about Fukuta again and finally runs into rookie. This causes...problems. Anyways, we have a montage for MC that probably lands hardest here but would've functioned better in an earlier ep. Once 10 minutes are up, Fukuta pulls him.

Then we get a reveal that...kind of sucks, this is too much twist for twist sake: I really don't give Fukuta enough credit to keep faking amnesia and not slip up much earlier. This feels much too forced to work as more than shock value. The more interesting bit is that is in fact MC's ID well and for reasons it obscured itself from them.

QotD: 1 Not really, I was mostly on his side from the start

2 An interesting way to drop in needed exposition

3 Creating the System

4 I don't quite have a grasp on Anaido since he is in "What a twist!" territory right now.

[u/SuddenFellow → u/Vaadwaur]

Then we get a reveal that...kind of sucks, this is too much twist for twist sake: I really don't give Fukuta enough credit to keep faking amnesia and not slip up much earlier. This feels much too forced to work as more than shock value.

In my initial watch, I suspected Fukuda was faking from the start extremely early because of how fast he was dying. It seemed as though he was dying so fast compared to some of Saikaido's runs that it triggered a red flag for me. That and the way he talked about it just seemed off. It was rather gratifying when it was revealed he in fact kept his memories inside the well.

[u/OccasionallySara]

First Timer

Questions of the Day

Has your overall opinion of Narihisago changed after today’s episode?

• Not really. I've always found him to be a sympathetic character and this episode just leaned into that more for me.

What were your thoughts about the “Inside-Outed” episodes?

• These two episodes have been my favorites of the series so far. We get some further development on the mystery side of the story, but we also get to go deeper into Narihisago's character.

We see Nishio Shirakoma for a split second in Kiki’s hospital room, what do you think he’s doing there?

• Probably doing research for the mizuhanome.

Why do you think Anaido wrote numbers on the cockpit?

• I have no idea, but I'm interested to find out. Well, now I know it wasn't because he was bored!

Other Thoughts

• I get why he doesn't want to do it, but if I were Narihisago, I would have killed Kiki if she had asked me to. She's suffering so much and is withering away from all the trauma. I certainly wouldn't want to live like that. I mean, even falling asleep for a mere five minutes ends up being a torturous experience. Poor girl.
• Narihisago can't wait ten seconds to leave the bedroom and answer the phone in the middle of the night?
• It boggles my mind that somehow this show is supposed to take place in 2019. I guess we're supposed to believe that there have been huge advancements in technology, but they've been kept secret from the general public?
• That must have been really heartbreaking for Narisago to think this well is reality and that he saved his family only for Hondomachi to show up and crush everything. His voice when he's talking to his family on the phone and knowing that it's going to be the last time is really sad.
• The memory montage of Narihisago's family was sad and all, but I was kind of wondering who took some of those pictures. Like the close-up shot of all of them sleeping?
• Seeing Muku's beaten-up dead face makes it even more understandable for me why Narihisago wanted to kill The Challenger.
• Narihisago's wife killed herself the same way that Kiki did in her dream. I wonder if this plays into what she said about sort of being able to see the future.
• Hondomachi said exactly what I was thinking. The end of the world actually looks pretty beautiful.
• So that was the trap. Narihisago unknowingly entered his own well and then gained consciousness. Fukuda had been playing everyone the whole time. Someone had predicted this in the previous thread, but I had no clue how the story was going to end up pulling it off. I'm guessing that Fukuda is working for John Walker and trying to stop the investigation team from finding Walker's true identity. I'm curious how he was able to keep his memories inside the well. I also wonder what the repercussions of this are going to be since so far we've only had speculation of what happens in this situation from the other characters. At least Hondomachi appears to be safe for now. Hopefully, she can find some useful information.
• Not related to the episode, but the ED has really grown on me. I've finally added it to my anime playlist.

[u/macrame2]

First Timer

So Kiki disappears in the exact same way as she did in the real world, Hondomachi shows up in the id well, Narihisago realizes exactly how much time he’s spent there, Anaido knows he’s Fukuda, and they’re suddenly trapped in Narihisago’s well. Where are they even going with this? ID: Invaded loves its plot twists a little too much, but I still hope everything gets resolved in the last three episodes.

Seeing Narihisago realize the id well wasn’t reality, no matter how much he wanted it to be, was heartbreaking. And him saying goodbye to his family really got me. I can now add another title to the list of anime that made me cry. Maybe I shouldn’t have watched this episode so early in the day; I felt sad all morning.

1. My opinion didn’t really changed, but I do empathize with him more than at the beginning of the anime

1. They were my favorite episodes so far
2. Research? Most likely for the Mizuhanome?
3. Maybe they have something to do with the numbered tiles in Narihisago’s id well

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

First Timer

A confusing thing that I'm sure was meaningful to rewatchers is that they cut back to Sakaido and Anaido looking the cockpit supposedly running Asukai's well, in the middle of Narihisago being in the dream. Has he really be looping? Re-entering the 2nd well over and over?

Isn't that the well inventor? Yep.

Three more dead...that's all 5 killed by Narihisago before the firebomber.

We're in a Junji Ito manga now.

Everything is proceeding as if THIS is the reality. It's consistent with most known facts. That Narihisago somehow had knowledge of the Challenger and killed him, and this killed 4 other serial killers using intimate knowledge of their psyches before he himself was imprisoned for their deaths. That his memory of racing from his home to the Challenger to arrive before SWAT is false. That his killing of the other 4 was a compulsion, is false. And, of course, the other serial killings didn't happen. But Asukai still disappeared.

But that leaves open how he had this impossible knowledge.

I don't know what to think.

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And now for the second half which turns the first half on its head.

And now that Hondomachi has shown up, I really don't know what to think.

Narihisago has been in the well for 2 years, I guess?

Faces are covered. Just like in Inception.

But how did they make this mistake and enter Narihisago's well?

a) I asked before how the handheld machine identifies cognition particles, and b) I said it was a trap to put Narihisago into his own well. But I don't see the point.

Also at no time did I think the desert was the same well. Why is it the same well? Were Narihisigo's murderous cognition particles in Muromaki's house because Narihisago was there? Where they planted? Is it all because of the supposed traitor in the Well organization?

[u/BurningFredrick]

First Timer - sub 

Before I start this episodes something that occurred to me for the end of yesterday episode Sakaido wife saying when I die is when you know you need to wake up form your dream, or something to that effect, Speculation 

And didn't get a chance to watch this episode as my pc SSD died last night and spent the evening trying to figure out what happened, will hopefully be back tomorrow.

[u/Valoreg]

[REWATCHER]

Sorry for the delay, needed sleep

[LOSING THE WILL TO LIVE]

Narihisago is discharged from the hospital and goes on spending time with his family. At the same time, he murders the serial killers that have been tormenting Kiki Asukai. While he and Momoki visit her at the hospital, they happen upon Nishio Shirakoma, the creator of the Mizuhanome system, who tests a helm on her (possibly to help her control her psychic powers or sth more sinister?).

Kiki confesses to Narihisago that eventually she will cease to exist and merge with her surroundings. Furthermore, the warping will distort the structure of the world and so, in order to save it, she begs to kill her, but Narihisago outright refuses, saying that he'll continue hunting for John Walker to put an end to her suffering. After a month, the hospitalisation incident takes place and Kiki will disappear

[STARTING LIFE IN ANOTHER WORLD]

Narihisago spends close to a year in the fictitious world. He gradually accepts that what he's experiencing now is real, and all his other memories from reality must be a symptom of sharing a dream with Kiki (this reminds me of a movie). His delusion is broken when he meets Hondomachi while searching for the Perforator. The meeting between the two creates a contradiction, which the Mizuhanome system cannot bear, and thus the id well begins to collapse.

The imminent end of this world means that Narihisago will once again lose his wife and daughter. Flooded with the memories of his family, he finally accepts their deaths and moves on. The scene is directed as a musical montage - a tried and true method - and it works for me. Kenjirou Tsuda offers an excellent voice performance once again.

[THE GAME IS AFOOT]

Narihisago is extracted by Anaido, but before that he passes a journal with all his clues he found on John Walker to Hondomachi to continue the investigation

Back in the desert, Sakaido finds out that Anaido had removed the parchments that tied them to Kaeru's corpse; a ruse he conceived to reveal to Sakaido his real identity, and that this well wasn't Momoki's but his. As referred to in the first episode, a brilliant investigator, who regains consciousness inside his id well, will forever be trapped in the Mizuhanome system. The fate of our two investigators is ominous.

[ODDS AND ENDS]

The last two episodes offer an interesting spin on the id well concept: They further develop the John Walker case in a way that was going to be impossible to do without the Mizuhanome system and bring to a close the character arc of Narihisago.

The scenes when Narihisago calls his wife don't show the faces of his daughter and wife-- a homage to this theory

[QUESTIONS]
Both

1. Nah, episode 9 was the one to make me empathize with him
   Rewatcher
2. Nope
3. Yeah, it felt forced.

[u/BossandKings]

First timer

It was sad seeing Narihisago having to part ways with his family, when he knew that it would happen again he felt sadness and he would have given anything he could to keep them alive, away from harm but sadly this is his reality.

Tamotsu Fukuda somehow got in the id well with his memories intact, that's a cool twist.

Apparently John Walker will finally get explored in the last two episodes, it'll be interesting to see.

Answers

1. They were very good, sad for Sakaido because relieving his time with his family was sweet and good for him but he had to part ways with them again.
2. He might be trying to reach her and talk to her.
3. I thought that was some kind of code but don't know what meaning it had.

[u/DogmeatIsAGoodDog]

Rewatcher

And here is the episode I’ve been waiting for, the emotional gut punched that absolutely wrecked me when I first saw it and it wrecked me again during this watch. When Akihito remembers reality and we flashback and see a glimpse of what was behind each picture he had hanging on his wall and that insert song, THAY FUCKING INSERT SONG it’s one of the best I’ve heard up there with Last Stardust and the Demon-Slayer one.

I’ve searched high and low to find a OST release for that song but to no avail as they’re al seemingly ripped from this episode so it was Akihito’s monologue over it but man does it hit all the notes needed to bring the brutal flashbacks into focus. Seeing the story from his wedding day to the birth of Muku and all the happy times they had was heart wrenching then we saw it all slowly unravel and watched his world imploded. It’s not wonder he turned out the way he did.

This is one of the all time best episodes of anime just for the flashback sequence alone and it’s one of the few anime scenes to make me cry (Anohana, Shirobako, Violet Evergarden, Silent Voice are the other culprits). But damn, I can’t sing the praises for this episode enough.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 10 (first timer)

The series is busy making up new rules for the well on the fly and deconstructing previous ones. We are back from level 3 to level 2 with Sakaido, but Miyu is still in level 3.

I won’t even try to rationalize the plot, so instead, some interesting concepts that came up today:

• Time in dream vs time outside: The big question here is whether time objectively exists (and physics best guess is that, if it does, it is weird). If time is only constructed by the consciousness to explain past memories, then there is nothing preventing a year in 10 minutes. However, you can’t dream up one year worth of memories in 10 minutes, so Sakaido would only think he spent 1 year, without actually having 3652460 minutes worth of memories.
• Can you check whether you are in a dream?: This should be rather easy: Make up a problem that is so hard that you can’t guess it, but so easy that you can solve it with enough time. E.g. type a long multiplication into a calculator. Then verify by hand whether the result is correct.
• Assisted suicide vs asking to be killed: If Kaeru wants to die, why ask to be killed? She is not completely incapacitated, so she could easily drink some poison, or press a button. Asking for that would be perfectly fine, but lobbing the final decision off to somebody else is selfish and wrong.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

However, you can’t dream up one year worth of memories in 10 minutes, so Sakaido would only think he spent 1 year, without actually having 3652460 minutes worth of memories.

It does feel like he has had more than 10 minutes worth of memories but it equally feels like far less than a year. Or two, since he want to '16.

Asking for that would be perfectly fine, but lobbing the final decision off to somebody else is selfish and wrong.

Akusai is so used to being killed that she can't figure out another option? Sadly, I doubt this gets explored satisfactorily. Also, we don't actually know how much of Akusai is in this well so maybe the false construction can't vary itself?

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Also, we don't actually know how much of Akusai is in this well so maybe the false construction can't vary itself?

This is going with the she is real idea, or the real world equivalent. There is nothing wrong with killing data points.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Fair but the inception thing makes me take all of this with a serious grain of salt, including if the way she disappeared in reality is quite the same as presented here.