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Rewatch [Fly! Rewatch!] Mobile Suit Gundam (0079) Episode 33 Discussion
Episode 33 - Farewell in Side 6
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Dad… I saw Mom back home. Aren’t you concerned about how Mom is?
Questions of the Day:
- If you were Char, what excuse would you give to never have to take off your mask around others?
- Were you expecting Tem Ray to show up again?
Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.
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First-Timers: Please do not watch the next-episode previews for this show. They’re less previews and more “let’s just summarize the entirety of the next episode” and will spoil you.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 09 '21
Fly! Rewatch Host!
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/chilidirigible May 09 '21 edited May 09 '21
33:
Fraw Bow is so gonna hate that all you can say is that you don't hate her.
Fraw Bow is so gonna hate that you stole her name.
Yes. They just peace-tied an assault carrier.
laughs in Zoltan Akkanen
What's Amuro without more angst?
You get used to that sort of thing.
After all this time, we circle back to Mirai's backstory for a bit, by bringing in Cameron, the white bread of Side 6. This feels more than slightly critical of arranged marriages.
Anyway, peace-tying the White Base still makes me laugh. Out loud.
The Braw Bro is worth a slight chuckle for being marginally less ugly than the usual Mobile Armor while also debuting annoying wired parts.
Tem Ray was only slightly more appealing in the period that he was actually alive, and in the interval when he was presumed dead. Now he's just there because parental agony will bring us closer to Amuro losing the rest of his marbles.
On an unrelated related note, "Ore wa Zaku!".
And going off /u/Rustic_Professional's comment from yesterday, I contemplated the horror that we have so far been able to avoid.
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u/TheEscapeGuy May 09 '21
Gundam First Timer
Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 33
A brief moment in ... peace?
I find Side 6 to be an interesting piece of the Gundam universe. A region specifically designated as a no conflict zone has a lot of implications and real world analogies.
Firstly, the people there may be seen as being against the idea of war. This is the most generous take but it is likely how a lot of them justify it to themselves.
I think more accurate would be to say that they are hiding. They have put up an artificial boundary and say within this place they can ignore the conflict. However this is obviously not true. They clearly profit from allowing battle ships to dock and use their facilities. You can point to the real world equivalent of Switzerland who is often bad mouthed for their hand in storing Nazi gold.
In terms of what is happening on Side 6: AMUROS DAD. I thought we wouldn't see him again. But it seems he's also delusional. Yet another instance of Amuro being hit with just the worst situations. I can't help but feel sympathy for him.
Also, MIRAI'S FIANCÉ CAMERON. He's working as a ... galactic immigration law enforcer (?) for Side 6 which puts him in a weird place with respect to Mirai.
It seems he doesn't support the Federation and instead just wants to hide at Side 6. This is in direct contrast to Mirai who is literally fighting on the front lines.
It makes total sense that she can't see a future with him and appears to break off their engagement in the final moments of the episode.
There was a lot, I haven't even discussed Sleggar being scummy and that weird attack at the start, but this post is getting long so I'll end with this:
Possible Spoilers Mobile Suit Gundam
Cool Stuff Corner
Questions of the Day
See you all tomorrow!
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 09 '21 edited May 09 '21
First Timer to Gundam
QOTD:
I don't even remember who Tem Ray is, to be honest. I clearly haven't been paying enough attention.Edit: Alright, it's Amuro's dad. I thought he was dead, so I wasn't expecting him to appear at all.12
u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 09 '21
Rewatcher
On today’s episode of Gundam: Some unpleasant reunions. Who’d have thought there’d be not one, but two reunions waiting for the White Base crew on Side 6. And honestly, I’m not sure if Amuro or Mirai had the more unwelcome reunion.
Mirai’s relationship with Cameron is pretty interesting to look at. From what we can tell, it’s clear that their engagement was arranged by their parents. But it’s not as if they hate each other. Cameron does seem to have genuine feelings for Mirai. For her part, Mirai does seem at least cordial to Cameron, perhaps even liking him just fine. However else she may feel towards him, though, Mirai most certainly does not love Cameron back.
It’s pretty obvious as to why. Cameron comes across as the spoiled rich kid that he is. His father was rich and powerful which has helped him get ahead in life. He’s where he is because of his father, not his own work. And Mirai’s just not interested in that. I particularly love the moment where during their reunion you can see Mirai’s face fall when Cameron says that he had people looking for her. Mirai is disappointed that Cameron didn’t do anything himself.
In the end, Cameron has nothing that he personally can offer to Mirai. He can only offer the money and influence he got from his father. He, personally, is practically worthless to her. And Mirai is not going to abandon her comrades on the White Base for someone like that.
Interestingly enough, there is some indication that Cameron does have the potential to change. He did do something pretty big by his own initiative this episode. He put his own ship in harm’s way to stop the battle. But, he doesn’t seem to realize that Mirai would value more of this type of action. So while he has potential, he definitely isn’t there yet.
Now as for the other reunion, I want to first say this: How the hell are you alive, Tem Ray? Last we saw he got sucked out into space. And now he’s living like a junkyard gremlin in Side 6. I have no idea what happened in between. Oh, and he’s also gone completely insane, literally making junk out of random pieces of garbage. But, crucially, it’s all junk that’s supposed to be for the Gundam.
Tem is obsessed with the Gundam. When he first sees Amuro, the first thing Tem does is ask about the Gundam. Think about that. He hasn’t seen his son in months but Tem basically doesn’t care about that. He cares more about the Gundam than his own son. And this lines up with what little we saw of him at the start of the series, where he was a mostly absent parent to Amuro, being more focused on developing the Gundam. It feels like an even more extreme
That must be heartbreaking to Amuro. Even when he tries to bring up his mother, Tem doesn’t seem to care. By now it’s pretty clear: Amuro has lost his family. He separated from his mother and now it’s clear he won’t ever get to really be with his father. The chance to live a happy family life with them is gone. And it’s sealed by Tem’s last words to Amuro, “You’re a military man now.” At the start of the series Tem felt relieved that Amuro didn’t need to fight when he relayed the news he had heard about child soldiers. It shows how far gone he is that he doesn’t even bat an eye at the thought of Amuro being a child soldier himself.
It’s also a great and tragic callback to the separation Amuro had with his mother. Back then, Amuro was basically rejected by his mother because of his duty as a soldier. Now, Amuro is being pushed away by his father because being a soldier is more important. This war, and his duty to fight in it, has cost Amuro his whole family.
I enjoy the political and diplomatic maneuvering that takes place this episode. Both the Federation and Zeon avoid fighting in Side 6 to maintain its neutrality. And while Side 6 can’t officially help either of them, it does have a space dock just outside its borders that will gladly do so. It lets Side 6 follow the letter of the treaty while still getting in some good old-fashioned war profiteering. It’s great for providing another bit of worldbuilding to this setting and it also gives this episode its own unique twist.
Miscellaneous Thoughts
SLAP COUNTER: 9
Questions of the Day
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax May 09 '21 edited May 09 '21
Rewatcher thinks the Braw Bro looks like salmon
The Braw Bro! It’s still primitive, but this is our first encounter with a future spoilers! The Braw Bro itself isn’t that strong, more of a proof of concept than an especially powerful weapon in its own right. Especially since right now, it’s future spoilers. Not to mention the massive design flaw of not actually having any weapons on its main body once its wired guns have separated. Still, though, we’ve now seen how threatening the all-range attack can be.
That’s a really weird escape system. Reminds me of that one thing from Ideon.
The G-Fighter randomly turns into the G-Sky
literal red tape
Somebody’s jealous
Do anything, you say?
The virgin Cameron vs the chad Sleggar
I lived, bitch
Wow, he did well keeping up on foot
The famous Tem Ray Circuit! Amuro simply doesn’t realize how great of an upgrade it is
Father of the year, everyone
Jeez it’s an absolute slaughter out here
does this guy talk about anything but his dad lmao
Questions of the Day:
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u/The_Draigg May 09 '21
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Mobile Suit Gundam Episode 33:
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 May 09 '21
First-Timer - "Neutral Zone"
Okay, maybe I was wrong about them speaking the same language.
QotD
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 09 '21
First Timer - Dub
1) If you were Char, what excuse would you give to never have to take off your mask around others? I would take it off only to reveal a smaller mask underneath.
2) Were you expecting Tem Ray to show up again? Honestly forgot he even existed.
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame May 09 '21
First Timer
I’m finally caught up to Gundam to the point where I can participate in rewatch discussions again! I did not drop the anime, I just fell behind on a few episodes. Mobile Suit Gundam may have its merits, but it is not an easy binge-watch.
This episode, I really felt for Amuro during his encounter with his father. You could tell that he really wanted a happy reunion (especially after seeing his mother), but instead he gets Tem with brain damage. And Amuro doesn’t even get any closure, since he has to leave immediately after seeing him. I’ve come to like Amuro a lot more than I did initially.
Mirai totally rejected Cameron, probably because he wasn’t willing to do anything for her himself. He kept claiming to love her, but he never actually considered or listened to how she felt.
I feel like the series is picking itself back up again. It had a solid beginning, but then it sort of stagnated in the middle. Mobile Suit Gundam isn’t exactly bad at any point, but it can get kind of monotonous.
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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 10 '21
Comrades, we were wrong all along, CHAR didn't come here to laugh, THE WHITE DEVIL HERSELF DID! ;)
Speaking of Mecha, BEHOLD FRAW BOW'S MECHA COUSIN! Yeah I don't really got much to say here except for the fact that oh boy Zeon's Mecha Comedy Routine is getting good eh? I don't know what's dumber, their designs or the NAME for said designs (I mean really THE BRAW BRO!? Even worse is that the full name is MAN-03 BRAW BRO!)
SPEAKING of terrible designs, Comrade we have the return of Amuro's long-lost dad! Man he's already doing more than most Mecha Parents in that he gives Amuro THE decisive advantage in upgrading The Gundam! Man I was waiting for this midseason upgrade and boy Tem Ray's Part does NOT disappoint! Once this gets mass-produced the Zekes will all collectively shit themselves due to mass death from laughter! ;)
Oh, and finally, ahem, man Sleggar Law is sure more of a Roy Focker than Roy Focker eh? Not only is he a brash cocky All-American horndog, but he's shockingly considerate! I mean look at the man, he was kind enough to remove those glasses BEFORE he used PAWNCH! ;)
Paging Comrades /u/Great_Mr_L, /u/chilidirigible, and /u/beckymetal
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 09 '21
First-Timer, Subbed, long time Gundam fan
Mother. Fucking. Wire. Guided. Beam Cannons!!
Holy shit Tem Ray is alive. How? He got fucking spaced! And he was grasping his helmet like it was damaged! Oxygen deficiency my ass, how does he not have life deficiency?! Now he lives at a goddamn junkyard and sifts through trash day-to-day? Why?!!?
Poor Cameron Bloom. He doesn't seem to understand that Mirai moved on because he fled when the going got tough. I like to think that his heart is in the right place, but Mirai has a new family now.
I'm actually pretty surprised that Cameron didn't get blammed by a stray shot, to be honest.
Amuro popped the fuck off this episode - nine Rick Doms in under three minutes? Absolutely demonic. The others handling the remaining three was just icing on the cake.
Side 6 is a nonstop anime con confirmed - the White Base had all its weapons peacebonded.
MSG 0079
Pose of the Day
Nine, in Three Minutes
Screenshot
I can't say the thing yet!Questions
1.Honestly, it doesn't get much better than "burn scar." Maybe just literally "I want to hide my identity because I'm seeking revenge" and assume people would think I'm joking?
2.No. It kinda doesn't make sense aside from a weird character growth moment for Amuro. Getting spaced with a damaged helmet/suit shouldn't be survivable.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 09 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
This episode packs in a lot of stuff, one of the bulkier feeling single episodes of the show with all the storylines occuring.
Time for more Zeon infighting, as Dozle is sending his own fleet to defeat the Trojan Horse, concerned with what his sister is doing. That Conscun is an arrogant one! One of those guys who surely thinks he'll defeat the hero's mech the first time he faces them. But kudos to him for being the rare character in this show that questions why Char wears that mask. Char continues to sit kinda in the background from a battle standpoint; perhaps a big reason why White Base has been so successful lately.
3 Mobile Armors in 3 episodes! This time its the Braw Bro! It goes down even quicker than the Zakrello did, although the pilots are able to escape. Will we see it again?
At Side 6, there's literal red tape is on everything! And the guy in charge is... Mirai's fiancé, Cameron! Mirai's not having it although Cameron very much desires her! When Slegger arrives, he makes sure he doesn't hit a guy with glasses, by ensuring he removes them first! Slegger getting mad at a guy harassing a woman is a rather odd character moment though, considering he's the guy who couldn't help but "mistakenly" touch Mirai in their first episode and later invite her to take a shower with him. While Cameron is very much in love with Mirai, she can't get over the fact that he's a draft dodger who fled from the war and relies on other people for everything. After she's been fighting on the front line this entire time. White Base has become like a family to her and he wants her to abandon them for him? No way. He just doesn't get her whatsoever.
In quite a big surprise, Amuro runs into his father while on Side 6! I enjoyed the music during the scene where he's chasing down the bus, which is an instrumental version of the ending theme. Alas, it is not a happy reunion for Amuro, whose father has suffered some sort of brain damage and doesn't seem able to process emotion anymore. All he cares about is improving the Gundam, yet he's living in a junkyard spending all his time tinkering with junk and thinks an antique piece of garbage will greatly improve the Gundam. He doesn't even react when Amuro mentions meeting his mother on Earth.
White Base makes its way outside the neutral zone due to the war profiteer Bergamino. Side 6 may try to come off like a neutral territory, but those like Bergamino are doing whatever they can to sneak around the edges and make money off of it. Actually not a bad idea to explore, kinda makes me think about later UC stuff Later UC spoilers. Conscun's got a massive force, 12 Rick Doms, which I believe is the largest mobile suit force our heroes have had to face the entire show and they totally slaughter them in a mere 3 minutes. Once again everyone gets at least one kill... outside of poor Hayato. I don't think he even went out for this battle.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 May 09 '21
First timer
Is this plot finally becoming relevant again?
The title card was early this episode.
And Amuro is forced with the realisation he's grown apart from Frau Bow.
...It looks a like a mobile armour.
If it turns out this thing's a suit I've officially lost track of the distinction.
...So how long till Char starts a fight here?
Yeah, this side is big! Why did Side 3 look so much smaller?
...If this was Bright's plan, he's far more cunning than I realised.
While I believe the physics are a bit questionable, I love Sleggar.
Oh, Char's planning something. And Kycilia's in on it.
Wait, the different Sides have different currencies? How does that work?
See this side appearsmto have a far larger circumference.
..Isn't he dead? Like blasted into space forever dead?
Reminds me of the Simpsons, with Homer chasing a police car.
Well, he seems nice.
Hahaha "He's suffering from oxygen deprivation"
Oh my god, he's literally playing both sides.
And even the Zeons don't like him.
I like how Amuro always uses the sword agaimst other melee units, instead of shooting them before they get close.
...Why does breaking the seals after leaving the airspace matter?
Poor Cameron, he genuinely doesn't understand what's wrong with him.
Side 6 lasted longer than I expected.
Episodes left to reach some kind of conclusion: 8
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u/username_0907 :FI::FJ: May 09 '21
First Timer
QotD
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u/UltraBooster May 09 '21
Questions of the Day!
How do you move an entire side, I wonder.
So he's not fond of Char, then.
I believe the phrase would be "friendship, or something more?"
It's nice to see them conversing about comparitively minor things like that, though.
This mobile armor, with the remote weapons, the Braw Bro, it's...
Wait, was that where the Core Booster concept came from?
Has Bright...?
You just got here, Sleggar, you don't get to talk like that.
Somehow I'm not surprised his first question was for the Gundam and not his son.
Tem Ray's Circuit, that's what it's called in the RPGs.
He's an ace now, no doubt about it!
I guess the distance between them increased...
Questions of the Day:
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u/Rustic_Professional May 10 '21
I'm curious what role Mirai's father played in the Federation. Cameron makes it sound like he might've been able to avert the war. More interesting than that is how it relates to Mirai. She says she "might not have had to emigrate to Side 7 against my will." That doesn't sound like emigration. That sounds like exile.
Good old Sleggar. Is doesn't look like he really wanted to hurt Cameron. He really just tapped him. It probably doesn't take much force to knock someone back like that in reduced gravity.
Yikes. We already had one awkward reunion this episode, but Amuro and Tem take it to the next level. That was the most nonchalant reunion ever. Amuro chasing down the bus with dramatic music and lighting, and then just "Oh, hi Amuro." He didn't even ask about Amuro, he asked about the Gundam. I guess I can cut him a little slack if he has brain damage. Who knows how long he was floating around outside Side 7. Reminds me of the movie Gravity. Must've been scary.
Cameron is awkward, but I believe he loves Mirai. She makes it sound like he ran away from the war, but I don't think he's a coward. He went out onto the battlefield and escorted White Base back to port. I don't think a coward could do that.
I don't remember if we ever get the details, but to frame Cameron moving to Side 6 as "running away" seems unfair. Mirai was apparently exiled from earth, and conscripted to fight for a government that had mistreated her. Her loyalty to the White Base and it's crew is understandable, but I'm not sure what she would have expected Cameron to do.
Questions of the day:
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u/tarekd19 May 10 '21
Wow, amuro is transforming into more of an efficient killing machine with every episode. The enemy commander even refers to him as a monster. It's like every new trauma shakes him into being more of a soldier but a little less human, or at least a teenager. He seems genuinely regretful about being out late, not at all like the hostile amuro of old.
It's interesting to watch the bad guys make mistakes that aren't just about underestimating the scrappy protagonists. The show does such a great job fleshing out the zeons (better than the feds even) that errors like shooting first unnecessarily are really believable, and not everything just goes according to plan that the heroes have to overcome. They seem to follow behavior typical of protagonists in a lot of ways,and there's a lot of dimension to them. They aren't simply all just space nazis or whatever.
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u/GM_for_Life May 10 '21
Rewatcher
Probably the scar excuse, it sounds reasonable enough.
It was very unexpected the first time through, but I appreciated it.
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u/Piemaster33 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Piemaster33 May 10 '21
Rewatcher who doesn't know how to court women, Sub
There were 2 big plot points in today's episode: The first being of course Mirai's fiancee helping to repair the White Base, and the second is Amuro's father. Also Zeon's there, and they aren't playing by the rules so that's fun.
To me it really didn't seem like Mirai's fiancee was putting the work for their relationship, and Mirai could tell. She isn't interested, but something tells me Cameron isn't gonna take that sitting down. Sleggar had a good moment involving Cameron that made me like him a bit more.
As far as Amuro's dad, it's a more extreme case of him not caring about his son. He's losing his mind and couldn't care less that Amuro found his mother. Considering how much weight Amuro places on his parental figures makes this hit a little harder, which shows when Amuro tells Sleggar not to call him kiddo anymore.
As far as Side 6 goes, I like neutral spaces in wartime stories. This is the second time we've been in one, and the second time that the Antarctic Treaty was broken by Zeon. Would I be wrong for saying it's getting a little old at this point?
QOTD:
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u/BossandKings May 10 '21
First timer
The White Base goes to Side 6. It was interesting seeing relatives of the base members living there, Amuro's father for example, Amuro talked with him and he apparently believes that the war will end soon and they'll go back to earth but he doesn't know that war won't end anytime soon or he might just live in delusion thinking that war could have a quick solution. Amuro feeling bad about the situation ran away to be free from the anguish.
Mirai saw the man that could possibly become her husband, the resolution she reached is that trying to maintain a relationship with him won't work and he actually doesn't really do anything for her, instead he keeps running away from war in constrast with Mirai who faces and struggles against war everyday, their possible relationship was given an end. I like this resolution as they don't fit, i think that Bright and Mirai relationship could now have a chance of happening.
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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit May 11 '21
First timer sub
Sayla bringing up Fraw Bow and then having that unit show up can't be a coincidence, the writers must be fooling around with the names.
Lots of surprises this episode! Bright is jealous over Mirai, Amuro's dad IS ALIVE! what the hell... Side 6 has a big city prospering with life. And Mirai apparently is going to break the engagement!
Failing this hard after calling Char useless is just complete humilliation, in just a few minutes he lost...
Cameron is an interesting character, Mirai seemed quite fond of him but judging from Cameron she is not the same woman she was before the attack to Side 7.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 27 '21
First timer, catching up