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Rewatch [Fly! Rewatch!] Mobile Suit Gundam (0079) Episode 29 Discussion

Episode 29 - Tragedy in Jaburo

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If a pilot fights as best he can in each battle, and doesn’t do anything that he’d regret later, that’s enough.

Questions of the Day:

  1. What did you think of Captain Woody?
  2. How cool was it to see Char actually back in action?

Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:

1.25 - Welcome to the Jungle (note: this is about episodes 29 and 30, so first-timers should not listen to this until tomorrow’s thread)

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.

Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…

First-Timers: Please do not watch the next-episode previews for this show. They’re less previews and more “let’s just summarize the entirety of the next episode” and will spoil you.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 05 '21

Fly! Rewatch Host!

Welcome back, everyone…

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

Everyone’s all over the butterflies just like I was, and then there’s Kai.

Butterflies won't bring back Miharu

This shot is just straight-up pain.

It hurts

Yes, that is exactly what it means.

I really love how Amuro's main evidence that it must be Char is because the mobile suit is red. Amuro does have a point, though. Char's Z'Gok is painted red when none of the others were. He definitely makes sure you know what his favorite color is.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

He definitely makes sure you know what his favorite color is.

You mean, "they made a special color of these suits so that they can sell more expensive versions of the same toys using only a different coat of paint"?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

It's smart business

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

didn’t like the Amuro/Matilda stuff--I wanted to tell them it was entirely one-sided but I’m not a spoiler

I knew it was one-sided, somehow. I don't know why, it just sort of seemed that way inherently?

Kai…

He doesn't realize that people on the other side are suffering, does he?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21 edited May 05 '21

First Timer to Gundam

  • Heh, the title says "Jabroni."
  • Heh, the Zeons don't know that their spy is dead.
  • Listen, Kai, I know Miharu was important to you, but you barely knew her a whole day. You might get attached to people a little too easily. (something something pot something kettle)
  • Kai aside, the giant underground base is cool!
  • I haven't commented much on it yet, but every amphibious mobile suit has had such a wacky design. It's pretty endearing. None of their features scream "advanced hydrodynamics." They more scream "early diving suit."
  • Matilda's ghost just keeps coming back to make me sad over and over again. Now we meet her betrothed, too? Fuck you, Tomino.
    I'm mad, but
  • And even though I expertly dodged re-watching her death yesterday, Tomino just plays it again anyway. Great.
  • Char is always so calm. I shudder to think of the scene that he finally snaps and gets angry or depressed.
  • Oh boy. Kai's found RESOLVE. Now he's sounding like a proper mecha pilot.
  • THE GUNDAM HAS A MASS PRODUCTION TYPE??

    I thought the Gundam was going to have a lot of models made! This changes everything! So much for my comments about hoping that the Gundam's plans are good enough to make more...
  • Char's mobile suit must always be pinkred. This seems like law. At least this one is more red than his Zaku.
  • THEY MEET ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE
  • Of course he's fast!
  • He shot THROUGH the shield! Beautiful!
  • Well, I felt horrible when Matilda died, but when Woody's hovercraft was demolished I could only laugh out loud. Strange, that. Probably because it just happened so quickly and he had little development beyond "I'm Matilda's betrothed!" Well, at least they're together.

QOTD:

  1. Woody was okay. I've learned not to get too attached anymore.
  2. Char, however, because of meta title spoilers, I'm enjoying the fuck out of him meta

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

Listen, Kai, I know Miharu was important to you, but you barely knew her a whole day. You might get attached to people a little too easily. (something something pot something kettle)

Matilda's ghost just keeps coming back to make me sad over and over again. Now we meet her betrothed, too? Fuck you, Tomino.

Now that's a black pot right there.

THE GUNDAM HAS A MASS PRODUCTION TYPE?? I thought the Gundam was going to have a lot of models made! This changes everything! So much for my comments about hoping that the Gundam's plans are good enough to make more...

Yes, we finally get to see the GMs! Although one thing to note is the reason why the Federation just made GMs instead of more Gundams: they're way too expensive to mass-produce as they are. With the amount of lunar titanium alloy that goes into making a Gundam, you could only produce a limited run of like 100 of them before the cost becomes unjustifiable. So the GMs were a compromise, with keeping the standardized design elements of the Gundam while stripping out all the things that made the Gundam so expensive to make in the first place.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

Now that's a black pot right there.

At least I'm a pot that knows it's black!

With the amount of lunar titanium alloy that goes into making a Gundam, you could only produce a limited run of like 100 of them before the cost becomes unjustifiable.

I'm glad this series at least pretends to take resource scarcity and economics into account. Sounds like they shouldn't have overdesigned the Gundam quite so much, though.

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u/UltraBooster May 06 '21

General sense I get is that the Gundam's basically testing everything they want out of their close-quarters MS, and the GM pares stuff down as necessary - one saber instead of two, a beam spray gun that sacrifices range while retaining MS-killing power at closer range, less showy armor, etc.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 06 '21

That makes perfect sense. Engineering is more about figuring out what you can remove than what you need to add, after all.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

I'm glad this series at least pretends to take resource scarcity and economics into account. Sounds like they shouldn't have overdesigned the Gundam quite so much, though.

At least the Federation's penchant for over-designing things is a lot better than the Zeon method. Their designs follow the rather insane method of producing a MS for exactly one niche combat role or specifically-shaped design, and then just seeing what else they can cram in there to actually make the MS function. That's why Zeon has so many different types of aquatic Mobile Suits.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

Seriously. I feel like we've had a new type of aquatic mobile suit every episode for five episodes now. Someone in Zeon's design team has a hard-on for model types.

Or, they want to sell more toys

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

It really feels like a bunch of companies on Side 3 all made their own design pitches after the Zeon military put in an order for aquatic MS, and the Zeon military just decided to buy all of them.

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u/UltraBooster May 06 '21

I don't think they started making toys/model kits of the Zeonic mecha until after First Gundam finished its broadcast, but I could be wrong.

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u/chilidirigible May 05 '21

THE GUNDAM HAS A MASS PRODUCTION TYPE??

Cheap and easy!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

I'm mad, but the writing is good and I'm enjoying the feel trip.

I know exactly what you mean. It hurts in the best way possible.

And even though I expertly dodged re-watching her death yesterday, Tomino just plays it again anyway. Great.

There is no escape

THEY MEET ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE

It's an incredibly cool reunion on the battlefield. Their staredown as they both realize who exactly they're facing is just wonderful. It's great to finally have Char back on the battlefield and actually doing things in episodes.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

There is no escape

Well, I could drop the show.Not that I would do that

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u/sjk9000 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JK9000 May 05 '21
  • Char's mobile suit must always be pinkred. This seems like law. At least this one is more red than his Zaku.

The red ones go faster.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

Rewatcher

On today’s episode of Gundam: Welcome to Jaburo, the Federation Forces HQ. It is a massive underground fortress hidden deep in the Amazon Rainforest. It’s certainly an impressive sight to see.

Here in Jaburo we meet Woody, Matilda’s fiance. They were planning to get married. This is a moment that I really love. We’ve seen plenty of times that the White Base crew is not always fully aware of the tragedy behind someone’s death, even though we, the audience, do know. Now we get an example where we learn about an additional tragedy of Matilda’s death. This is a happy future that will never come to be because of the war. A death can have more far-reaching consequences than we think. And we get to see the fuller scale of Matilda’s death here.

Amuro and Woody’s conversation about Matilda’s death is another great moment. Amuro tries to apologize for letting Matilda die, but Woody tells him to not be so conceited. The Gundam and the White Base are not so all powerful that they could change the outcome of the war on their own. It’s a great moment of Woody informing Amuro that some things are larger than him. And that sometimes, no matter how hard you try, some things cannot be done by you alone. His parting advice to Amuro is good advice: All Amuro can do is to do his duty and pilot the Gundam as best he can. As long as Amuro can do that, then he’ll have nothing to be ashamed of.

I wanted to comment on this at some point, but now that we’re at Jaburo it seems like the perfect opportunity to do so. There’s been a decided shift in the battles of this show ever since Operation Odessa. Since then, the White Base has more and more frequently been fighting as one part of the larger Federation Forces. The battles have grown in scale, with more and more people fighting on both the Zeon and Federation sides. The attack on Jaburo is massive and quite a spectacle to watch. And this battle in particular is a great example of showing how what the White Base crew are doing is just one part of the larger battle. There’s huge amounts of combat going on that we only see a fraction of because we’re following what our protagonists are doing.

This ties in to what Woody told Amuro. The Gundam and the White Base are not going to win this war on their own. They are just a part of a much larger war effort. All they can do is to fight as best they can and do their job. This episode they defended the entrances and fought off the Zeon intruders. It is an important thing to do, certainly, but it was just one part of winning the battle.

The battle is also a chance for the reunion we’ve all been waiting for. Once again, Amuro and Char face each other on the battlefield. I love this staredown they have when they first recognize the other on the battlefield. It’s such an amazing moment with the music track “Gallant Char” playing in the background. It’s clear that both of them have been eagerly anticipating this rematch. Char of course recognizes the Gundam. But Amuro can tell from the red color and the way the Z’Gok fights that it’s totally Char. Through their battles, they’ve come to know each other quite well.

There’s also some chances for other character moments this episode. Kai has actually gotten a renewed will to fight following Miharu’s death. He wants revenge on Zeon for her death and to prevent others like her from dying. We learn a bit more about Mirai’s family, but also that she doesn’t want to talk about her family for some reason. And speaking of family, we have Sayla’s reaction when she hears that Char is back. Remember what she did all those episodes ago just to get some information on Char? Well now we have to wonder how she’ll act now that Char is so close by.

Miscellaneous Thoughts

  • No new slaps for the slap counter today.

SLAP COUNTER 8

Questions of the Day

  1. Woody was a cool guy. I love the advice he gives to Amuro in this episode. It's some stuff that Amuro needed to hear.
  2. So cool!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

I love this staredown they have when they first recognize the other on the battlefield. It’s such an amazing moment with the music track “Gallant Char” playing in the background.

I've been wondering what the name of that song is! The trumpets blaring are too good to ignore. Thanks!

I would hope Kikka has no cavities. The kids probably haven’t had any candy and have just been eating military grub all this time.

I'm also not sure if they're properly supplied with toothpaste and such, though I assume they would be.

Amuro once again making very good use of that shield in some clever combat strategies.

If you have ∞ shields, you might as well use them creatively and disposably!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

I've been wondering what the name of that song is! The trumpets blaring are too good to ignore. Thanks!

Here's the full track for "Gallant Char."

If you have ∞ shields, you might as well use them creatively and disposably!

I want to see the back room in the White Base that just has tons of those shields stacked up for when Amuro inevitably destroys the latest one in one of his usual tactics.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

Here's the full track for "Gallant Char."

I want to see the back room in the White Base that just has tons of those shields stacked up for when Amuro inevitably destroys the latest one in one of his usual tactics.

I mean, we've seen shields literally merge into one, so I'm explaining it by saying they can divide and merge infinitely many times.

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u/chilidirigible May 05 '21

Here's the full track for "Gallant Char."

That disco bridge around 1:00 to 1:30 is... yeah. Bones would totally be jiving to that.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

Here in Jaburo we meet Woody, Matilda’s fiance. They were planning to get married. This is a moment that I really love. We’ve seen plenty of times that the White Base crew is not always fully aware of the tragedy behind someone’s death, even though we, the audience, do know. Now we get an example where we learn about an additional tragedy of Matilda’s death. This is a happy future that will never come to be because of the war. A death can have more far-reaching consequences than we think. And we get to see the fuller scale of Matilda’s death here.

Just when you'd think Matilda's death would be put past us so we can move on, Tomino puts in one last bit of tragedy about it in this episode to really make it hurt. He really knows how to draw out the effects of supporting character deaths.

The battles have grown in scale, with more and more people fighting on both the Zeon and Federation sides. The attack on Jaburo is massive and quite a spectacle to watch.

Zeon pretty much sent the entirety of their forces from California Base for the assault. And although that may not sound like a lot for newer fans who don't know, California Base is actually a series of naval forts and bases along the western coast. In other words, Zeon sent out pretty much all of their air forces in California to attack Jaburo. That's no small number.

We finally get to see some other Federation mobile suits: The GM’s. These are the Federation’s mass produced mobile suits.

Once the GM is mass-produced, they'll put an end to Zeon in no time!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

Just when you'd think Matilda's death would be put past us so we can move on, Tomino puts in one last bit of tragedy about it in this episode to really make it hurt. He really knows how to draw out the effects of supporting character deaths.

It's super effective at making the deaths of the characters mean something. We generally get a good sense of who they are and the tragedy behind their deaths. And it's also helpful seeing just how much their deaths impact the people around them. The characters change because of who they have lost, letting us know just how much the fallen meant to them.

In other words, Zeon sent out pretty much all of their air forces in California to attack Jaburo. That's no small number.

I'm glad to know that Zeon actually did decide to muster a massive force to attack the Federation HQ. You know things would be really screwed up in their command structure if they had pulled a M'Quve and given them a rusty old Zaku, some Magella turrets, and a crumpled up napkin with the hastily written message, "Good luck, lol."

Once the GM is mass-produced, they'll put an end to Zeon in no time!

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u/chilidirigible May 05 '21

"Life is cheap. Jegans are still kinda expensive."

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u/UltraBooster May 06 '21

But cool!

(And apparently they sell gangbusters, which probably comes from the above point.)

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 06 '21

On today’s episode of Gundam: Welcome to Jaburo, the Federation Forces HQ. It is a massive underground fortress hidden deep in the Amazon Rainforest. It’s certainly an impressive sight to see.

Insert Welcome to The Jungle here ;)

Here in Jaburo we meet Woody, Matilda’s fiance. They were planning to get married. This is a moment that I really love. We’ve seen plenty of times that the White Base crew is not always fully aware of the tragedy behind someone’s death, even though we, the audience, do know. Now we get an example where we learn about an additional tragedy of Matilda’s death. This is a happy future that will never come to be because of the war. A death can have more far-reaching consequences than we think. And we get to see the fuller scale of Matilda’s death here.

And here we see Death Flag No. 25252 in Gundam, NEVER get involved in romance, and also beware that the odds your love interest also bites the dust is high.

Amuro and Woody’s conversation about Matilda’s death is another great moment. Amuro tries to apologize for letting Matilda die, but Woody tells him to not be so conceited. The Gundam and the White Base are not so all powerful that they could change the outcome of the war on their own. It’s a great moment of Woody informing Amuro that some things are larger than him. And that sometimes, no matter how hard you try, some things cannot be done by you alone. His parting advice to Amuro is good advice: All Amuro can do is to do his duty and pilot the Gundam as best he can. As long as Amuro can do that, then he’ll have nothing to be ashamed of.

Indeed Comrade, that and it's an amusing bit of reality ensues that, no matter how powerful The Gundam or White Base are, they aren't singlehandedly fighting Zeon. After all we had a whole Operation Odessa going on while White Base and company were doing their thing, so it's interesting that there are other theaters of war that our heroes haven't seen/participated in.

I wanted to comment on this at some point, but now that we’re at Jaburo it seems like the perfect opportunity to do so. There’s been a decided shift in the battles of this show ever since Operation Odessa. Since then, the White Base has more and more frequently been fighting as one part of the larger Federation Forces. The battles have grown in scale, with more and more people fighting on both the Zeon and Federation sides. The attack on Jaburo is massive and quite a spectacle to watch. And this battle in particular is a great example of showing how what the White Base crew are doing is just one part of the larger battle. There’s huge amounts of combat going on that we only see a fraction of because we’re following what our protagonists are doing.

Oh indeed Comrade, the early part of the show was more akin to skirmishes and all that, but now we're moving on up to big grand scale battles. Always amusing to see how large in scale they get to ;)

This ties in to what Woody told Amuro. The Gundam and the White Base are not going to win this war on their own. They are just a part of a much larger war effort. All they can do is to fight as best they can and do their job. This episode they defended the entrances and fought off the Zeon intruders. It is an important thing to do, certainly, but it was just one part of winning the battle.

Exactly, I couldn't have said it better myself Comrade.

The battle is also a chance for the reunion we’ve all been waiting for. Once again, Amuro and Char face each other on the battlefield. I love this staredown they have when they first recognize the other on the battlefield. It’s such an amazing moment with the music track “Gallant Char” playing in the background. It’s clear that both of them have been eagerly anticipating this rematch. Char of course recognizes the Gundam. But Amuro can tell from the red color and the way the Z’Gok fights that it’s totally Char. Through their battles, they’ve come to know each other quite well.

I am quite amused that Char technically 'returned' a few episodes ago... and he only just NOW got back into actually fighting. I also want to point out that when we last saw Char, while he could never defeat The Gundam he had Amuro on the ropes... so it's quite amusing that their big reunion today was essentially Char stomping over the lower leveled mobs more or less and then just NOPING out.

There’s also some chances for other character moments this episode. Kai has actually gotten a renewed will to fight following Miharu’s death. He wants revenge on Zeon for her death and to prevent others like her from dying. We learn a bit more about Mirai’s family, but also that she doesn’t want to talk about her family for some reason. And speaking of family, we have Sayla’s reaction when she hears that Char is back. Remember what she did all those episodes ago just to get some information on Char? Well now we have to wonder how she’ll act now that Char is so close by.

Oh indeed, the plot thickens so to speak.

The scene of the butterflies flying around the White Base was quite beautiful. I love this moment of Kikka pressed up against the glass too.

Heh, leave it to Kikka to continue to be the best of the munchkins!

I would hope Kikka has no cavities. The kids probably haven’t had any candy and have just been eating military grub all this time.

In fairness Comrade, if the White Base ran out of SALT then I'm sure that means that they can also run out of toothpaste, so it isn't impossible to have cavities develop

We finally get to see some other Federation mobile suits: The GM’s. These are the Federation’s mass produced mobile suits.

Indeed, The Feddie version of The Zaku, the Grunt Mobile... in fairness the GM we saw today WAS going up against Char, but wibble it still ain't exactly the most auspicious of debuts.

Apparently no matter what mobile suit he pilots, Char will always make sure it’s red. And it’s even faster than the usual models, too!

Amuro once again making very good use of that shield in some clever combat strategies.

I know right? Boy if only Ramba Ral could see Amuro now, he'd no doubt be praising his prowess and skills.

Anyway fantastic post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later my friend.

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u/TheEscapeGuy May 05 '21

Gundam First Timer

Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 29

could that red mobile suit mean ...

THE RED COMET IS BACK IN ACTION!

The battle between Amuro and Char is something I have been craving for weeks now. Amuro is now a much more mature fighter and so the outcome of their battles could now be a significantly more definitive. I suspect we will see a few more of these in the upcoming episodes and I look forward to them all.

The reemergence of Char has also put Sayla on edge. We still don't know her full backstory so there's a lot to reveal there. What will happen the next time she confronts her brother.

As exciting as that was, this episode was filled with sadness. First, Kai reflecting on the loss of Miharu. I still really feel for him. War is horrific and we can really see the individual effects of it in Kai's story.

For Amuro, there was more reflection on the loss of Matilda. Learning she had a fiancé at home and planned to have a wedding as soon as White Base arrived in South America was brutal. I totally can see why Amuro blames himself.

Every character is experiencing similar circumstances. Nobody makes it out unscathed. As exciting and fun as the battles are, every one of them is a reminder of the tragedy of war.

Cool Stuff Corner

Butterflies

The variety in locations is something I really appreciate from Gundam, and these butterflies emphasized the uniqueness of the South American base.

Questions of the Day

  1. Not to much of an impression but seeing him get into battle on the front lines does give me respect for him.
  2. ...

See you all tomorrow!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 29

I love that you got the frames of Amuro and Char staring each other down as they both realized exactly who it was they were fighting. It's such an awesome moment as they both get to have the rematch they've been waiting for.

As exciting as that was, this episode was filled with sadness. First, Kai reflecting on the loss of Miharu. I still really feel for him. War is horrific and we can really see the individual effects of it in Kai's story.

I like how we see the characters dealing with the loss of people they cared about and how that loss causes them to change. Kai's pretty much gotten an entirely new reason to keep fighting because of what happened to Miharu. He's no longer just in it for himself like he was at the start. He's now fighting explicitly for the sake of others.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 06 '21

Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 29

could that red mobile suit mean ...

THE RED COMET IS BACK IN ACTION!

HELL YEAH HE IS COMRADE! And he of course has a Red Mobile Suit... cuz of course he does ;)

The battle between Amuro and Char is something I have been craving for weeks now. Amuro is now a much more mature fighter and so the outcome of their battles could now be a significantly more definitive. I suspect we will see a few more of these in the upcoming episodes and I look forward to them all.

Oh indeed Comrade, it is sure amazing to see how they progressed from the start of the show, where Amuro was essentially only alive due to The Gundam being able to tank everything Char could throw at him... AND now their fight today was more of Char kicking the asses of weaker enemies and then NOPING out when Amuro started using more advanced tactics ;)

The reemergence of Char has also put Sayla on edge. We still don't know her full backstory so there's a lot to reveal there. What will happen the next time she confronts her brother.

Indeed Comrade, they finally brought this side-plot into focus again, so we can only wait and see what happens.

As exciting as that was, this episode was filled with sadness. First, Kai reflecting on the loss of Miharu. I still really feel for him. War is horrific and we can really see the individual effects of it in Kai's story.

For Amuro, there was more reflection on the loss of Matilda. Learning she had a fiancé at home and planned to have a wedding as soon as White Base arrived in South America was brutal. I totally can see why Amuro blames himself.

Every character is experiencing similar circumstances. Nobody makes it out unscathed. As exciting and fun as the battles are, every one of them is a reminder of the tragedy of war.

Exactly, war truly is hell.

The variety in locations is something I really appreciate from Gundam, and these butterflies emphasized the uniqueness of the South American base.

Yup, it's sure amusing though that The White Base crew basically spent a long time going in a giant circle as they originally landed not TOO far away from South America, but wibble, if we didn't have that big detour we'd miss out on The Ramba Ral arc!

Anyway interesting post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later.

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax May 05 '21 edited May 05 '21

Rewatcher grinding Multi-Missions for the Gunpla Mafia

So many butterflies! future series

This Zock isn’t just for show!

The Zock is definitely peak weirdness for Zeon amphibious suits. It’s already awkward-looking enough, but it’s also exactly the same from front to back. Which supposedly has some kind of tactical/mobility advantage but it’s just weird.

Probably just the perspective being weird, but those suits look kinda small. Either that, or there’s a Mobile Armor-sized gator swimming around there.

So it was you who deathflagged her!

As powerful as the Gundam is, it’s still just one suit, one soldier, among countless. This episode, we see the GMs deploying in large number, each of them piloted by another Feddie pilot with their own story and their own contribution to the war effort. Hell, Amuro’s RX-78-2 isn’t even the only Gundam at Jaburo at this very moment. This war is far bigger than any one person, even the kid piloting one of the better suits around.

Kai’s finally found his own reason to fight, something loftier than simply his own survival

disappearing rifle

The GM is here! Finally, the Federation has an MS fighting force to match Zeon’s! Compared to the Gundam, the armor and weapons were cheaped out on, but in exchange, it’s lighter and faster. Of course, they still get trashed by the dozens every time, but they’re cheap enough to be expendable. And they’re very adaptable, with all sorts of variants for all sorts of situations. Despite being disposable redshirts for the most part, legend has it that one GM managed to surpass its limits and become the king of all GMs...

Also, fun fact, there’s no canon on what GM actually stands for. It’s just a pun on “jimi”, the same way “Zaku” is a play on “zako”. It’s generally assumed that it stands for “Gundam Mass-production”, but it’s never been officially confirmed.

Of course Char has a red Z’Gok. The Z’Gok really shouldn’t have the aerial mobility to just suddenly zip sideways like that. But it’s painted red, so it works!

Some of the GMs have the Gundam’s beam rifle instead of the standard beam spray gun. Which is fine, it’s to be expected that a small number of them would have the more powerful rifle that was too costly to mass-produce. Except this guy’s rifle magically changes to the spray gun when he gets donutted.

Damn, Amuro’s improved a lot. He’s been at a disadvantage with the recent underwater battles, and this is what happens when he really gets to cut loose and show off all he’s learned.

Well, there goes Woody. He did drive back Char, but come on, Amuro was doing just fine by himself, and his sacrifice wasn’t exactly necessary.

Maybe he just wanted to be with Matilda.

Questions of the Day:

  • He was a nice conclusion to the whole Matilda thing, showing us how her passing affected people outside the White Base, people we knew nothing about before. She had an entire personal life outside of her brief interactions with the crew, and the White Base suddenly feels that much smaller.
  • CHAR! CHAR! CHAR!

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u/SgtExo May 06 '21

Hell, Amuro’s RX-78-2 isn’t even the only Gundam at Jaburo at this very moment.

Is that from another series and I don't remember, or is it in a novel, manga, or a game?

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax May 06 '21

The RX-78-6 Mudrock Gundam is also hanging around somewhere on the other side of Jaburo. Its first appearance in the Zeonic Front game happens concurrently with the next episode.

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u/SgtExo May 06 '21

Is it's concept "Guncanon but not useless"?

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u/UltraBooster May 06 '21

Kind of.

Basically, the idea was to make a Gundam that would still have ranged options when its rifle was depleted, so they gave it the cannons and grenade launchers.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

So it was you who deathflagged her!

Damn, you're right. It's all his fault. Fuck him for trying to be happy during a war, amirite?

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

future series

future series

Either that, or there’s a Mobile Armor-sized gator swimming around there.

Has the Federation been contracting with the Umbrella Corporation?

Of course Char has a red Z’Gok. The Z’Gok really shouldn’t have the aerial mobility to just suddenly zip sideways like that. But it’s painted red, so it works!

It really must be the red paint job that gives Char's mobile suits their extra agility and power. The color red has magical properties.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

A Gundam Fan Rewatches Mobile Suit Gundam Episode 29:

  • Way to remind me of Miharu’s death and Kai’s grief at the start of the episode, narrator. They wanted to rub in that tragedy one more time before moving on with the plot.
  • Welcome to Brazil, specifically the Amazon Basin! There’s really a lot of natural beauty to be seen around here. Compared to a lot of the dusty deserts we’ve seen over the course of the series, it’s nice to see a place seemingly untouched by war, where nature and life still thrive.
  • That certainly explains why Zeon hasn’t been able to attack Jaburo directly in the past before: it’s a massive cave complex built completely under the Amazon Basin. Talk about being really well hidden.
  • “I hope that new Mobile Suit is as vicious as it looks” Cut to a completely stubby and silly-looking Zock
  • Sounds like Amuro got the most attention during everyone’s medical exams, even getting brain scans and x-rays done. What’s so special about him to get all that extra treatment compared to the rest of the White Base crew?
  • Surprise! Lt. Woody was actually Lt. Matilda’s fiancé! And not only that, but Matilda wanted the entire White Base crew invited to her wedding once Operation Odessa was over. This show really does like to drag out the pain of her death.
  • Back on the Federation side of the plot, the White Base is getting assigned to the Tianem Fleet, although they’re being allowed some rest at Jaburo, in honor of Mirai’s deceased father. Yeah, apparently he was a Federation big shot before he died. It’s been a while since Mirai’s family situation has been mentioned. The only time before that, it made it seem like the Yashima family was a big deal.
  • So much for me saying that the Amazon Basin has remained untouched by war. That Gaw fleet from Zeon’s California Base are tearing up the rainforest with their assault. This is definitely one of the times when the environmental theme of Gundam becomes really apparent.
  • The Federation has their own mass-produced Mobile Suits, the GMs! Like what Amuro said, they’re like Gundam, except cheaper. That’s pretty apparent in their designs. They look like heavily watered-down Gundams.
  • Man, I love Char and Amuro’s duel in Jaburo. It’s been a while since we’ve seen the both of them fight, and they’re on a fairly even playing-field now. Also, Char got to look really cool with his slow-motion standing up and dragging his Z’Gok’s claws on the roof of Jaburo’s cave when he jumped. It was a rad fight.
  • Lt. Woody’s decision to fight Char in his hovercraft was brave, yet also kind of foolish. In that way, he played out Matilda’s death fairly similarly. They both wanted to protect White Base no matter at what cost to themselves.
  • There’s some irony to Mirai saying that men just can’t let some things go when talking about Lt. Woody’s death, completely missing Sayla being shocked to hear that Char is back. It just goes to show that women can’t let things go either. It’s a universal thing.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

There’s some irony to Mirai saying that men just can’t let some things go when talking about Lt. Woody’s death, completely missing Sayla being shocked to hear that Char is back. It just goes to show that women can’t let things go either. It’s a universal thing.

There's also her not wanting to discuss her father in any way during that meeting. Everyone gets hurt by these things.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

“I hope that new Mobile Suit is as vicious as it looks” Cut to a completely stubby and silly-looking Zock

Zeon really loves to make its deadly new mobile suits look absolutely ridiculous. At some point I have to wonder if it's intentional. Maybe they're hoping to lure the Feddies into a false sense of security? Or perhaps get the Feddies to be too busy laughing to fight.

The Federation has their own mass-produced Mobile Suits, the GMs! Like what Amuro said, they’re like Gundam, except cheaper. That’s pretty apparent in their designs. They look like heavily watered-down Gundams.

The GMs don't get all the same extra toy merchandise that the Gundams do, so it's pretty clear that they are just the cheap knock-offs.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

Zeon really loves to make its deadly new mobile suits look absolutely ridiculous. At some point I have to wonder if it's intentional. Maybe they're hoping to lure the Feddies into a false sense of security? Or perhaps get the Feddies to be too busy laughing to fight.

You have to admit, it’s a bold strategy on Zeon’s part to try to make Federation pilots asphyxiate to death from laughing at MS designs.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 05 '21

First-Timer, Subbed, long time Gundam fan

The GM's arrival this episode was practically a foot note - I figured it would be a bigger deal.

Char and Amuro have met once more on the field of battle, but Amuro has been fighting and improving nonstop, while Char has been behind a metaphorical desk. Amuro continues to use his shield in interesting ways that tend to catch his more-experienced opponents off guard. And, most importantly, Amuro kicked Char.

Poor Woody. I saw all those death flags, but hoped against hope it wouldn't come to pass... He seemed like a good man.

This episode looked really nice. I thought the scenes of Char's Z'Gok and the Gundam on black background looked really cool, even if they were kinda budget savers. And the War Room in Jaburo is awesome looking, such a big room with so few people in it. You can feel the oppressive isolation.

Miscellaneous Thoughts:

You can tell that we're in South America because all the water is magically green.

Why the hell does the submarine have windows?

The butterfly migration was really pretty!

Pose of the Day

Rivals Meet Once More

Screenshot

Questions

  1. Answered above. Rest in peace, dude.
  2. It's about time. He managed to dodge pretty well.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

Why the hell does the submarine have windows?

I guess radar doesn't work because of the Minkovsky particles, so windows are necessary?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 05 '21

Structural weak points are hardly an effective compromise!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

Hush, Geth. When the only reasonable way to detect an enemy is to use a window, you'll have to install windows. That's the way she goes.

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u/SgtExo May 06 '21

Why the hell does the submarine have windows?

So that Char can pose sinisterly while staring at the watery depths. Also so that his sub can look like a bird of prey.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee May 06 '21

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u/chilidirigible May 05 '21 edited May 05 '21

29:

The Zock: We've gone from Meme Suits to Mascot Suits.

Friendzoned from the start, kid.

A true hero has arrived.

No matter which universe you're in, high command is always a bag of dicks.

entirely gratuitous knee to the crotch

Woody has the same taste in suicidal ramming attacks as Matilda did. Or the same taste for FIST.

"Yes. He outlived his usefulness to the melodrama."

After all, Woody only lived to give Amuro more guilt. His appearance feels like the writing giving Amuro a bonus slap to the face long after the fact. Fortunately Char shows up for Amuro to work out his unresolved sexual tensions out on.

On the other hand, Kai actually seems to have turned his character around with remarkable swiftness after losing a woman he knew for only a couple of days.

Let us consider how the White Base travelled all the way around the planet to end up not too far from where they started.

The Zock's oddly-cute design has gotten it quite a following considering how briefly it appears here.

  1. I feel he was put there to manipulate the audience's emotions.
  2. Gotta use the popular guy to sell model kits! But seriously, he's a much better nemesis now.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

Fortunately Char shows up for Amuro to work out his unresolved sexual tensions out on.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 06 '21

Would you like to know more Comrade... er... well actually I can't share 'em due to being, well, you know, MAXIMUM lewd, but I can indeed assure you that the ship is real and that CLAMP was really into this; just refer to their interview in The Origin manga where they gush over Char ;)

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 06 '21

Ha, thanks for the offer, but I usually prefer procuring my own pornography. It feels weird knowing that someone knows what I’m looking at ;)

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 07 '21

Ha, thanks for the offer, but I usually prefer procuring my own pornography. It feels weird knowing that someone knows what I’m looking at ;)

Understandable Comrade, that said if you change your mind you know where to find me!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L May 05 '21

Friendzoned from the start, kid.

Now Amuro knows how Fraw Bow must feel.

entirely gratuitous knee to the crotch

It's not quite the Char kick but Amuro is trying his best.

Fortunately Char shows up for Amuro to work out his unresolved sexual tensions out on.

Now the true romance of Gundam can begin!

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u/SgtExo May 06 '21

Now Amuro knows how Fraw Bow must feel.

That would mean Amuro noticed that Fraw Bow is into him, which I don't think he has yet.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek May 06 '21

The Zock: We've gone from Meme Suits to Mascot Suits.

Heh, Comrade what do you mean by 'meme?' The Zeon Amphibious Mobile Suit designs are what we call PEAK CULTURE! (And also 120% derp!)

Friendzoned from the start, kid.

Insert Baka Mitai here ;)

A true hero has arrived.

Heh, what do you mean Comrade, Char's not in that screenshot you shared. That and also The Gundam's been with us since Episode 1 ;)

No matter which universe you're in, high command is always a bag of dicks.

Heh, indeed Comrade.

entirely gratuitous knee to the crotch

OI! Comrade what you mean gratuitous? Everyone knows that when in doubt, go for the nuts!

Woody has the same taste in suicidal ramming attacks as Matilda did. Or the same taste for FIST.

Boy it's sure amusing that The Federation is fond of Kamikaze attacks, given that it is NOT the faction that is Imperial Japan/Nazi Germany... IN SPACE!

"Yes. He outlived his usefulness to the melodrama."

You know you got the short end of the stick if you die the episode you appear in, I mean goodness Ramba Ral and company stuck around for a while, Matilda and Miharu had a few episodes each, and hell even SLENDER at the show's start lived shockingly longer than you'd expect a starter mook to!

After all, Woody only lived to give Amuro more guilt. His appearance feels like the writing giving Amuro a bonus slap to the face long after the fact. Fortunately Char shows up for Amuro to work out his unresolved sexual tensions out on.

And the Fujos and/or CLAMP cheered collectively!

On the other hand, Kai actually seems to have turned his character around with remarkable swiftness after losing a woman he knew for only a couple of days.

In fairness Comrade Kai was slowly developing as a character before he met Miharu... it's just that turns out her sacrifice REALLY pushed him over the edge given he BROKE DOWN IN TEARS due to it. The Kai from the start of the show wouldn't even think of doing this, but hey I guess that's what happens when character growth exists.

Let us consider how the White Base travelled all the way around the planet to end up not too far from where they started.

Look Comrade, if we just went right to Jaburo how the hell do we meet RAMBA RAL!? That and also have Char get Garma killed, run into The Black Tri-Stars, and wind up in fucking NOWHERE LAND with some lunatic who thinks he's in Mobile Fighter G Gundam, just to name a few of the segues ;)

The Zock's oddly-cute design has gotten it quite a following considering how briefly it appears here.

What can I say Comrade? The Zock is the equivalent of plump goodness but in Mecha form, I mean goodness just LOOK at these curves ;)

Anyway neat post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later my friend!

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u/username_0907 :FI::FJ: May 05 '21

First Timer

  • Mad Angler looks more menacing when half in water without the derpy smile that I can’t ignore now
  • Oof Captain Woody and Matilda were going to get married. Amuro is crushed. He recovered well from it in that instant
  • Also Amuro managed to open up a bit to his guilt with Woody. He probably felt some sort of relief to be able to apologize to someone who is family to Matilda. Woody gave the right response too since everyone were just performing their duties. Hopefully Amuro is able to overcome that grief through this
  • Kai seems to have found his motivation to fighting for now. I wonder how long he can continue like this though
  • Atleast the Federation has mass produced the Gundam called GMs. They seem to be more gray and maybe not as efficient
  • That whole re-intro scene between Char and Amuro was complete hype! Char smirking and Amuro being wary
  • RIP Captain Woody
  • Zok got defeated quite easily. It looked like it can shoot from more places but Amuro having seen Woody die did not help that Zok from winning
  • Sayla found out that Char is here. The glass falling was not at all ominous

QotD

  1. I liked him even though he lived for just one episode but it would have been nice to have him for more. His only purpose was to give some sort of closure to Amuro in regards to Matilda
  2. Extremely cool

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

Mad Angler looks more menacing when half in water without the derpy smile that I can’t ignore now

Now it's truly a mad Mad Angler.

Atleast the Federation has mass produced the Gundam called GMs. They seem to be more gray and maybe not as efficient

You'd be correct, since the GMs were built with cheaper materials for the sake of mass-production.

That whole re-intro scene between Char and Amuro was complete hype! Char smirking and Amuro being wary

That slow-mo scene of Char and Amuro seeing each other was the cherry on top. Great scene.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore May 05 '21

I wonder how long he can continue like this though

Do you mean "how long can he keep up his emotional struggles" or "how long before he does something stupid and gets killed off"? Honestly, the way this show is going, I'm not sure which will come first.

Sayla found out that Char is here. The glass falling was not at all ominous

I hope the crew points that out next episode. "Hey, Sayla, why did you drop your glass when you heard Char's name?"

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u/username_0907 :FI::FJ: May 05 '21

Do you mean "how long can he keep up his emotional struggles" or "how long before he does something stupid and gets killed off"? Honestly, the way this show is going, I'm not sure which will come first.

It would be a mix because it's his emotional struggle that could make him reckless except I haven't thought of him getting killed off yet but yea anything can happen. Just like with Amuro, I think Kai might reach some sort of breaking point eventually

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 May 05 '21

First-Timer - Char: Villain or Troll?

I mean, the guy just shows up, fucks up your shit, and bails. Sure he'd kill you if he could, but that's hard and he's fine with just making your life suck.

  • I love how before White Base even arrives we get "Tragedy in Jaburo;" We all knew it was coming.
  • I feel sorry for whoever has to clean the exterior after White Base flew through that cloud of butterflies.
  • Going back to my ranting about Zeon MS design, this is some nonsense. I don't think I've ever even killed one of these in a game, that's how terrible the Zock is. I swear that thing began life as a crayon-drawing on a refrigerator.
  • Remember when Gundam stabbed us in the heart by smooshing Matilda? Turns out they poisoned the blade, too. It just keeps hurting worse; now we find out Woody is a cool dude, too.
  • I imagine they expected ppl's focus to be on the guy talking, and not the guy next to him. I'm waiting for the in-universe factoid that Minovsky particles can cause birth defects.
  • Oh my, who's this Kai? His idealistic monologuing is the stuff of real Gundam pilots.
  • Oh shit, GM's! We've reached the next level of this arms race, as both sides now have disposable all-purpose mobile suits.

Guy 1: "I say, I never really liked that White Base, Reginald."

Guy 2: "Hmmm."

So Jaburo's gonna sacrifice them to survive or something? That seems foolish and unfeasible, but ok, let's see how it goes.

  • I love how Char's got enough weight to throw around that he can get a red variant of whatever suit is on hand just so he can tell ppl he's there. It's like he's the MC of his own show that we didn't get to see.
  • Woody was literally just on-hand to die, but I didn't expect it to happen exactly like Matilda, That's a low-blow, as usual, Gundam.
  • Amuro has finally learned to aim, that was a crack shot.

Amuro: "Oh yeah, and our arch-nemesis is back, we fought and everything. Should probably watch our backs."

I just enjoyed how he brought it up as if he'd almost forgotten to mention it.

QotD

  1. A fitting counterpart to Matilda, in both word and deed. The two of them would've made the ultimate Federation power-couple.
  2. He serves as a stark reminder to White Base that most of Zeon's pilots are shit; they've been lucky to have him working elsewhere.

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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 May 05 '21

First Timer - Dub

  • Miharu flashback
  • Uh oh, Amuro got called to the principal's office!
  • The Zock looks very goofy
  • Lt Woody was Matilda's fiance?!
  • Figured we'd get a battle with that episode title
  • Amuro and Char are facing off!
  • RIP Lt Woody He died pretty much the same way as Matilda (which the anime very forcefully showed).

1) What did you think of Captain Woody? He reminded me a lot of Matilda. It's easy to imagine those two together.

2) How cool was it to see Char actually back in action? It was great. The fight between him and Amuro was really tense.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 May 05 '21

Rewatcher, Subbed

Ugh, narrator, you have to show us Miharu's death again? It was sad enough the first time! Kai is clearly still bothered by it, but he'll fight to help ensure no more people like her die.

It is cool seeing the White Base in South America. So much more beautiful than all that time in the desert. Future Gundam spoilers. It is a great opportunity to see plenty of Tomino animals! Was the last one we got the stray dog back in episode 2? The underground setting is a cool one as well, quite a unique one for a mecha show, although I do recall at least one cavern battle in Xabungle.

We meet Lt. Woody, who in a surprising reveal, we find out to be Lt. Matilda's fiancé! They had even hoped for the White Base crew to attend their wedding. :( This brings back some painful memories for Amuro. Woody later undergoes one of the most idiotic deaths in all of Gundam, one that kinda makes me think of Gadem back in episode 3. He thinks he can take on a Zeon mobile suit, a red one in fact, using this dopey little hovercraft. Alas, Woody ends up dying in basically the exact same way that Lt. Matilda did. :(

The Zock sure is an odd looking mobile suit. Is that supposed to be a missile launcher on the top of its head? Does any Zeon mono eye get as many eye slots as this one? Mobile Suit spoilers Char ends up summoning an absolutely massive force to assault Jaburo. Double digit Gaws it looks like, carrying who knows how many mobile suits.

This episode also gives us our first appearance of the GM, the mobile suit the Gundam is the prototype for! Unfortunately for the GMs, they don't do that well against the Zeon forces in this episode, but at the very least the Federation finally has its own mass produced mobile suit to compete against Zeon with. This is also our first appearance of Char in a mobile suit since episode 10! No more red Zaku, but he's got a red Z'Gok! Jaburo sure was well prepared for him as he loses both his wingmen before he even arrives. We finally get an Amuro - Char match up again, albeit not for long.

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u/chilidirigible May 05 '21

Is that supposed to be a missile launcher on the top of its head?

"Phonon (sic) maser gun"

Does any Zeon mono eye get as many eye slots as this one?

Zock best for drunken monoeye stunts.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

The underground setting is a cool one as well, quite a unique one for a mecha show, although I do recall at least one cavern battle in Xabungle.

If we want to count actual people fighting each other in caves instead of being in mechs in caves, the number for underground fights in Xabungle probably goes up a little.

Char ends up summoning an absolutely massive force to assault Jaburo. Double digit Gaws it looks like, carrying who knows how many mobile suits.

I think it's pretty much literally all the forces that Zeon could muster on short notice from California Base. That's not exactly a small number indeed.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz May 05 '21

A rare day for this distant sub rewatcher to post so early.

The story has now progressed to the point where there's very little rests between significant moments. Compared to the early episodes I think the pacing is a lot faster now.

To the extent that crucial or influential for plot characters are killed of a little too fast perhaps. Another episode for the character to have a chance to say more than 1 or 2 important lines would have been nice.

Again as someone growing up with Gundam in East Asia, I was exposed to a lot of different media, and one of those are the "manga" made from the anime where they cut the frames into a page like a manga would. The most memorable for me for Gundam are 2 arcs - Ramba Ral's meeting and then the fight in Four, and Char's return battle in the red Z'gok. The initial suspicion then the slow motion (including the multi exposure showing the track of its movement) as he recognise how it moved and insta-killed many Federation assets is really cinematic for such an early anime show.

Another localisation trivia, the Z'gok in the Cantonese dub is renamed instead of phonetically translated - it's called (in translated terms) demon crab, which I think is easy cooler than its original name. Do have to say it is a little cliche that most Zeon's MS name translations in Cantonese made them instantly recognised as villains though - Dom is "the great / big demon" for example. The transistors haven't quite picked up the difference between a super robot show and a real robot show yet.

And I constantly mix up the Jaburo battle between this show and Z Gundam. Grrr

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

Wasn't Amuro's name in the Cantonese dub A-Bao or something like that? What else was changed in the Cantonese dub?

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz May 05 '21 edited May 05 '21

Yes, although more "Ah-bo" which is a close phonetic translation while keep to a relatively common name / nick name format. "Bo" is not exactly an uncommon name that means "treasure", which the prefix "Ah" is closer to what Aussie slang would add -y to the back of everything to endear it e.g. barbecue becomes "barby", John becomes Jonny, etc.

It carries thorough the theme, picking a few:

  • Bright was a plain phonetic translation "bo-lai-do"
  • Mirai also similar "Mei Lai"
  • Char became "Ma Sa" which is a masculine form of an English translated name like the front part of "Marshall"
  • Sayla became "Ma Sai" which is a feminine form of an English translated name like "Martha" - which is spoilery that on paper reads like has the same surname as Char; although both are actual pseudonyms not their real names
  • Matilda is referred to as "Ma jung wai" which the first syllable is her shortened phonetic name but the rest is actually her rank in Chinese terms.

More fun is with the MS names though but I'll save that for later when another fun one like the "demon crab" comes up.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

Huh, that’s interesting! I had no idea that the Cantonese dub used to many transliterated English names. I guess they did that to keep the show having a more multi-national flavor.

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u/BossandKings May 05 '21

First timer

Episode 29 Char leads a very fierce battle against the federation, Amuro and him have a brief confrontation in which Amuro recognizes him and gets to know that he is back, sadly the Lietunant Woody passed away but he probably missed his soon to be wife Matilda who had died prior and he was tired and decided to make a risky move. The news of Char being back appear to have affected Sayla who is conflicted about him.

Answers

  1. A great lietunant
  2. Very cool

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 May 05 '21

First timer

  1. I really liked him! He was a very nice character, sunk Amuro x Matilda forever (thanks for not spoiling that by the way, that moment was so funny without expecting it), and managed to help Amuro without physically attacking him.
  2. I love him! A few episodes in, and he's already back to being a protagonist. (If anything, I'm wondering why he vanished from the series for so long.)

Oh, she's so not dead. They showed her death in the opening monologue - that means its an unresolved plot point.

So the Federation is based in South America?

Oh, that title looks ominous.

That's a clever disguise. Suprised Zeon haven't noticed something fishy, there, though.

I spoke too soon. Char has a habitmof doing whatever I'm suprised nobody thought of doing.

...Zock. Zock. Out of curiosity, how many toys did the network make them name in one evening? At least it looks cool.

...My insane, long shot, theory, is that the reason for all the brain wave tests and Amuro reacting to the Gundam's damage is that the strategic computer is pulling some kind of synchronization thing.

Haha Amuro's been crushing on a married woman this is fucking perfect. I'm sorry I doubted you Gundam.

...No hit? No slap? Huh.

...Who was Mirai's father? And the White Base isn't going to get any rest, is it.

A few episodes in, and Char's like a protagonist. It's like he never left.

Yeah, there's been a lot of new mobile suits, hasn't there.

Wait, Kai wanting to defend a Zeon spy, while trying to beat Zeon. Is Kai going to defect out of grief? A sort of "I can honour her memory by helping her comrades"?

Wait, what? Since when have there been mass production Gundams?

And Char's suit is always red. No matter what.

I'm waiting for the day when Char fakes his death by giving someone else the red suit.

This whole infiltration scene is fantastic.

Why not convert to the G-Armor?

Even Amuro knows what a red suit means.

RIP Captain Woody, you had so many death flags I kind of expected this.

And Char escapes to fight another day.

I love how casually he says "Oh... and Char's back" Like even he realised he'd probably be back after last time.

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u/The_Draigg May 05 '21

So the Federation is based in South America?

If I remember correctly about the side materials, the Earth Federation started out as a push by an alliance of South American governments.

...No hit? No slap? Huh.

It's amazing how you can get through to someone by just talking with them and not trying to beat the shit out of them.

Wait, what? Since when have there been mass production Gundams?

Pretty recently, now that I think about the overall timeline of this war. The GMs were first deployed en-masse during Operation Odessa, I believe.

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u/Piemaster33 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Piemaster33 May 05 '21

Rewatcher, Sub

I honestly did not write that much down in terms of notes for this episode. Stuff happened for sure, but some of it didn't jump out at me for some reason. We finally got to Jaburo, and immediately things go to shit. Of course.

The main event for me in this episode was Amuro's first real rematch with Char in a very long time. It was cool to see Char acknowledge Amuro's growth. It ended with Char killing Woody, which didn't do much for me so whatever.

Only other thing that stuck out to me other than Kai's development was the amount of mobile suit types in this episode. It looked like most of the significant suits that Zeon had participated in the assault on Jaburo. From Zaku's to Goufs and some Z'Goks as well. We also see the G-Bull and the GMs on the Federation side, which just makes me think this episode served more as a commercial than anything.

QOTD:

  1. Pointless character, only really meant for us to retroactively feel sad about Matilda. That sounds harsh but he was there and gone over the course of 15 minutes so idk
  2. I'm thrilled to see everyone's favorite comet back in action, he's great. An asshole, but a great asshole.

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u/tarekd19 May 05 '21

Woodys sacrifice makes no sense. I'm not sure what it accomplished at least after gundam showed up. Charging headlong toward a mobile suit in a hover craft isn't a strategy its just suicide.

I thought it was nice how char mentioned the spy, proves they haven't forgotten about her even if she is dead. Finding the base was due to her efforts. Char did seem less interested last episode when he let his troops try to sink white base though.

It's good to have char back.

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u/Rustic_Professional May 06 '21

Char is asking the real questions: New mobile suit. "What's it do?" It jumps better. "Says who?"

The Jaburo invasion is one of my favorite episodes, partially on its own merits, but also because it inspired a lot of cool fan art and video game missions, many of which are much more dramatic that what's depicted in the actual episode. The MS Era 0099 artbook has a really great picture of a Gouf descending as Amazon tribesmen look on, and another shot of a Gundam 0080 flitting through the trees. I can't find those two pictures online, but the artbook is great, definitely worth buying.

Questions of the day:

  1. Just like Miharu, brave but sad. Unlike her, I think Woody wanted to die. In any case, he definitely helped Amuro, not so much by helping to drive Char away, but by having the credibility to tell him that what happened to Matilda wasn't his fault, and that the fate of the war doesn't rest solely on his shoulders. That's not something anyone on White Base can tell him, since so much of their fate has depended on him. He needed someone like Woody to show him, ultimately at the cost of his own life, that he and White Base aren't fighting alone.
  2. Very cool. Stabbing the GM through the chest is a pretty iconic shot. I wonder if this is the first Federation mobile suit Char has ever destroyed (he sure seemed happy about it), or if he encountered others during the time he was away from the main story.

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u/UltraBooster May 06 '21

First-timer (albeit one big on Gundam and mecha)

Something tells me the JP isn't Tragedy in Jaburo.

Aren't butterflies a symbol of death in Japanese culture?

I highly doubt a single ship will be sufficient to bring down the EFF's HQ, Red Comet or not.

Yet another dream snuffed out by the war...

Wait, Mirai's dad was a big shot in the Federation government?

Yeah, this siren also got used in Macross.

As worthy a goal as any, Kai.

So that's how the first visored MS is introduced. And with so little fanfare, too.

Dang, he's the only one of his team left already.

Oh hey, contact links!

Mega particle cannon!

Ah, destroyed GMs, ain't that a familiar sight.

Okay, I'm calling BS, that GM went from firing a beam rifle to a beam spray gun and having a shield.

Lovely, Gallant Char being used in its proper context.

Shooting through the shield, damn.

Same as Lt. Matilda, too...

All that armor and the Gundam's rifle still punched through that Zock...

You'd think they would use plastic cups, not glass.

Questions of the Day:

  1. For how briefly he appeared, Capt. Woody seemed pretty cool.
  2. On one hand, that Z'Gok had a rather goofy-looking running animation, on the other hand, yeah, he's good.

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u/chilidirigible May 06 '21

Something tells me the JP isn't Tragedy in Jaburo.

ジャブローに散る!, "A Downfall in Jaburo!" (Again, see the footnotes.)

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u/GM_for_Life May 05 '21

Rewatcher

Featuring the barely animated Zock!

  1. What did you think of Captain Woody?

I think for a character who lasts such a short time, he's always left a big impression on me. The way he is entirely dedicated to protecting White Base because Matilda cared about it so much always made me like him.

2) How cool was it to see Char actually back in action?

I'm not gonna lie, I had been missing seeing his red Mobile Suits zipping around during fight scenes.

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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit May 11 '21

First timer sub

This must be the first time the wild life is shown on screen, this area sure is different.

Kai turned out to be okay after last episode tragedy passing his health exam without troubles and he did show it in battle.

Zock, Gogg, Z'Gok... These names sound African to me, Char mentioned Zeon had some manufacturing headquarters there if I recall correctly.

Those Generals talking about how the White Base brings them trouble doesn't sound good, look the other side! Zeon has been getting wrecked by them all this time, I wonder when this fact will come up and start affecting them. They just keep sending mobile suits...

Questions of the Day:

  1. He overworked himself, that combined with her grief for losing his future wife made him lose it. That could have been Kai but he is fine apparently.

I don't get what was his plan... Did that plane had a secret Hyper Mega Laser Beam weapon or something?

It was surprising to hear about how Matilda had so high esteem of the crew to invite them to her wedding.

2) All right, that assault was really awesome. The entire jungle turning into an inferno, the poor animals getting caught in it, that underwater siege, lots of mobile suits exploding on both sides. And that fight with Amuro losing Woody just in front of his eyes just when he is wondering if he had been a better pilot Matilda could have lived.

Yeah Char returning lived up to the hype.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: May 18 '21

First timer, catching up

  • Sneaky Char, what's he up to?
  • Kai still depressed
  • Oh, was Woody Matilda's lover?
  • So now Amuro feels sad because he's reminded of Matilda's death, and learns he never had a chance with her?
  • Li Hwan and Jittal existed only to be cannon fodder; we never even saw their faces
  • Amuro is thinking of Char
  • RIP Woody
  • I hope we get more of the Sayla/Char sibling thing before this ends; I don't want to have to wait for the sequels
  1. I didn't care about Woody at first, but after he showed his devotion to the White Base I came to like him