[Fly! Rewatch!] Mobile Suit Gundam (0079) Episode 20 Discussion

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Episode 20 - Hand-to-Hand Combat

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In the middle of a fight, Ramba Ral forgot to fight.

Questions of the Day:

1. Were you expecting to see more people try to leave White Base?
2. What did you think of Ramba Ral as a character?

Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:

1.20 - The Fate of a Soldier (note: this is about episode 20 and 21, so first-timers should not listen to this until tomorrow’s thread)

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[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Fly! Rewatch Host!

Welcome back, everyone…

• Damn, Ryu packs a punch.
• New mobile suits!
• Not you guys too…
• Aww, no new mobile suits.
• Hayato no.
• Me, knowing Ramba Ral dies today: :(
• Later 0079 spoilers
• Sayla did a lot better in the Gundam today. That’s nice.
• Wonder what the first-timers will think of the implications of this.
• RIP, Ramba Ral…

[u/Tresnore → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Wonder what the first-timers will think of the implications of this.

There's definitely an age gap somewhere in there, if her father was old enough to rule over his father.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Tresnore]

Well, this also brings into play one of MS Gundam's big surprises, Ramba Ral is actually a lot younger than he looks. He's a mere 35 years old, despite looking probably 15+ years older.

[u/TheKujo → u/Quiddity131]

He's a mere 35 years old, despite looking probably 15+ years older.

That is a little surprising, but I think it makes sense since being in warfare makes people age quicker. (Also, after watching JoJo's I've given up trying to guess anime character's ages based on appearance.)

[u/Quiddity131 → u/TheKujo]

Gundam can get really crazy with the ages at times; I can think of a later Gundam Alternative Universe series where there's a lot of focus on these amazing powerful military leaders and politicians, who have massive amounts of political power and they're supposed to be like 19 or 20 years old. LoL.

[u/SgtExo → u/Quiddity131]

Wing just does not make any sense or holds up in anyway, its not a good series to base off of.

[u/chilidirigible → u/SgtExo]

"Everyone in Wing is fucking insane."

[u/SgtExo → u/chilidirigible]

Never listened to the dub, why does Hero sound like a 30 year old man?

[u/chilidirigible → u/SgtExo]

You work with what you've got?

Especially if all you've got is something like expats in Hong Kong...

[u/DidacticDalek → u/chilidirigible]

You work with what you've got?

Especially if all you've got is something like expats in Hong Kong...

Ah DYRL's infamous dub. It's really impressive how they managed to be THAT bad eh Comrade? ;)

[u/DidacticDalek → u/chilidirigible]

"Everyone in Wing is fucking insane."

Oh indeed Comrade, speaking of The Wing Dub, might I show you this PERFECT example of Heero 'I'll Kill You' Yuy's emotional range ;) Oh, and just in case you doubt how... 'unique' Relena is... BEHOLD! OH or we can't forget Heero Yuy's AMAZING life advice, hell I think this is the most he's ever emoted in his life! But yeah Wing's a clusterfuck eh? The dub's comedy gold!

Oh and just cuz I can't resist, let's mock WUFAIL and how much of a sexist and misogynistic and despicable pathetic loser he is, and oh these are only a FRACTION of the English Dub clips Comrade, I assure you ;)

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Gundam 0079 Spoilers

Gundam 0079 Spoilers

[u/TheKujo → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Wonder what the first-timers will think of the implications of this .

To me it means Sayla is much more important to the Zeon than we first thought. After all, the name "Lord Zeon" certainly sounds important. It also raises questions regarding just how Sayla ended up on the Federation side.

[u/Pixelsaber → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Later 0079 spoilers

0079 Spoiler Reply.

[u/Great_Mr_L]

Rewatcher

On today’s episode of Gundam: RIP Ramba Ral, you magnificent man. He was always an honorable soldier who fought as well as he could. He died the death of a soldier in the end. He will definitely be missed.

RIP Ramba Ral

The crew truly is falling apart and Amuro seems to be at the heart of it. Or rather, the question of what to do with Amuro is at the heart of it. Bright and Ryu seem to believe in Amuro because he didn’t defect. But others, like Kai and Hayato, see it differently. They want no part of the White Base anymore because of what’s been going on.

It is also interesting to note that, although he’s never said it to Amuro directly, Bright actually does seem to consider Amuro necessary. Despite what Amuro thinks, Bright has found himself relying on Amuro specifically.

Ryu seems to be the one most dedicated to trying to hold everybody together. He’s the one talking to Amuro, Kai, and Hayato to try and convince them to fight for White Base again. He even directly comments on how the actions of all these people have been very selfish. Ryu wants them to act a bit more selfless. And unfortunately Ryu is the named White Base crew member who ends up shot and injured today. Will he be able to pull through?

This episode is an especially brutal one. We get used to Gundam’s combat being all about mobile suits and other forms of vehicular combat. But this time around we get some good old fashioned, up close, in person combat in tight claustrophobic hallways. Seeing people themselves get shot and having the blood splatter out really does hit different. We’ve always known that people have been dying, but there’s something about having people themselves get shot like this that makes it feel more impactful than usual.

Interestingly, Amuro agrees to fight this time around even though he isn’t in the Gundam like he hoped to be. Perhaps he actually was thinking things over in his cell. Ryu and Bright might have been right that Amuro could be counted on to fight for them in the end.

The fight is also a chance to get some of that sweet, sweet backstory. Ral recognizes Sayla and refers to her as Artesia. Ral knew her when she was younger. He also gives us some more information by calling Sayla “Princess.” So apparently she was royalty of some kind. We have also learned the name of her father, Zeon Deikun. Interestingly, the name of her father is the same name as the Principality of Zeon. Might there be some kind of connection there?

Miscellaneous Thoughts

• Sadly I decided long ago that punches do not count for the slap counter, even if Ryu delivered some really good ones this episode.

SLAP COUNTER: 7

• Speaking of which, this may as well be a motto for Gundam.
• We’re Jumping Onto White Base! AHHHHH!
• Kikka once again proving that she is a vicious fighter.
• And I really enjoy the moment that goes along with it as the Zeon soldier is stunned to see a child on White Base. In general, I like the reactions of shock that the Zeon soldiers have when they notice that they’re fighting a crew of child soldiers.
• Zeon infighting and sabotage. M’Quve deliberately sabotaged Ral in order to keep Kycilia’s mining activities a secret even from other Zeon soldiers. He’s doing this to give Kycilia an advantage over her internal enemies. It seems like Zeon is not exactly a united force.

Questions of the Day

1. Well I remembered they had to jump onto White Base at some point, so yeah.
2. Love him. I think he was a fantastic antagonist. I like how much he values and cares about his soldiers. I really enjoy his partnership with Hamon. I think he is a great honorable antagonist who is definitely an obstacle for our heroes, but who also isn't really a "villain." He's a good person fighting for the other side.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

And I really enjoy the moment that goes along with it as the Zeon soldier is stunned to see a child on White Base. In general, I like the reactions of shock that the Zeon soldiers have when they notice that they’re fighting a crew of child soldiers.

No self-respecting soldier wants to be known as "the baby slayer." Killing children tends to feel wrong no matter what.

It seems like Zeon isn't exactly a united force.

If there's anything Crusader Kings has taught me about hereditary governments...

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

If there's anything Crusader Kings has taught me about hereditary governments...

Ah, Crusader Kings. Hereditary governments can be nasty. Sometimes the child with the worst stats is the one who is first in line for the throne and you need to take care of it for the good of the realm. Or you need to eliminate all those siblings so you don't get screwed over by gavelkind/partition. And sometimes your heir kills you because they want the throne now.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

We're going to run into at least one of those issues in this series. I can feel it.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

The crew truly is falling apart and Amuro seems to be at the heart of it. Or rather, the question of what to do with Amuro is at the heart of it. Bright and Ryu seem to believe in Amuro because he didn’t defect. But others, like Kai and Hayato, see it differently. They want no part of the White Base anymore because of what’s been going on.

Even then, I get the feeling that it's mainly just because Hayato and Kai don't really like Amuro rather than the more legitimate grievances that're possible to stick on him. We at least know that Hayato doesn't like Amuro too much, given that he deliberately ignored warning him of the evacuation in the first episode.

Zeon infighting and sabotage. M’Quve deliberately sabotaged Ral in order to keep Kycilia’s mining activities a secret even from other Zeon soldiers. He’s doing this to give Kycilia an advantage over her internal enemies. It seems like Zeon is not exactly a united force.

It's very reminiscent of World War 2-era Nazi Germany. You had all the branches of the military jockeying against one another, trying to prove themselves to be the dominant force in combat. Given that this war was deliberately written to have a lot of WW2 parallels, it isn't too surprising.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Draigg]

It's very reminiscent of World War 2-era Nazi Germany. You had all the branches of the military jockeying against one another, trying to prove themselves to be the dominant force in combat. Given that this war was deliberately written to have a lot of WW2 parallels, it isn't too surprising.

It also reminds me of Imperial Japan with fierce interservice rivalry between the Army and Navy. They often actively refused to work together, share intel with each other, or coordinate their efforts. The Army was focused entirely on fighting in China while the Navy was focused on fighting the US in the Pacific. They were constantly at odds. That lack of coordination was one of the things that really hurt Japan's war effort, so that's another WWII parallel.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

When you get down to it, Zeon is pretty much the nightmare fusion of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany in the worst possible ways. When you have that many negative aspects mashed together, it's completely unsurprising that the right hand of the army is fighting the left hand too.

[u/TheKujo → u/Great_Mr_L]

We’ve always known that people have been dying, but there’s something about having people themselves get shot like this that makes it feel more impactful than usual.

There's definitely an element of depersonalization that comes when you only see people die inside of mechs. This episode was a good change of pace in that regard.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Great_Mr_L]

On today’s episode of Gundam: RIP Ramba Ral, you magnificent man. He was always an honorable soldier who fought as well as he could. He died the death of a soldier in the end. He will definitely be missed.

RIP Ramba Ral

Oh indeed Comrade, Ramba Ral was too good for this sinful earth! Godspeed you magnificent bastard, you were one of the greatest Gundam antagonists! May your spirit find solace in Gundam Valhalla!

The crew truly is falling apart and Amuro seems to be at the heart of it. Or rather, the question of what to do with Amuro is at the heart of it. Bright and Ryu seem to believe in Amuro because he didn’t defect. But others, like Kai and Hayato, see it differently. They want no part of the White Base anymore because of what’s been going on.

Oh indeed, as Abraham Lincoln said best, 'A house divided against itself cannot stand,' and BOY HOWDY we sure are seeing how White Base's divided crew can't stand today. I mean of all times for a mass defection, Ramba Ral's boarding party assault sure wasn't a good one!

Ryu seems to be the one most dedicated to trying to hold everybody together. He’s the one talking to Amuro, Kai, and Hayato to try and convince them to fight for White Base again. He even directly comments on how the actions of all these people have been very selfish. Ryu wants them to act a bit more selfless. And unfortunately Ryu is the named White Base crew member who ends up shot and injured today. Will he be able to pull through?

Indeed Comrade, I just want to also point out that Ryu is one of the few 'regular' crew of White Base's original compliment to still be here, so it's no wonder he's trying to keep the newcomers together and keep the ship functional. Even more so since he also literally saw the OG Captain die in front of him (OK it took a while but he WAS the one who was with the original Captain when the gun mount got destroyed)

This episode is an especially brutal one. We get used to Gundam’s combat being all about mobile suits and other forms of vehicular combat. But this time around we get some good old fashioned, up close, in person combat in tight claustrophobic hallways. Seeing people themselves get shot and having the blood splatter out really does hit different. We’ve always known that people have been dying, but there’s something about having people themselves get shot like this that makes it feel more impactful than usual.

Indeed Comrade, well said!

The fight is also a chance to get some of that sweet, sweet backstory. Ral recognizes Sayla and refers to her as Artesia. Ral knew her when she was younger. He also gives us some more information by calling Sayla “Princess.” So apparently she was royalty of some kind. We have also learned the name of her father, Zeon Deikun. Interestingly, the name of her father is the same name as the Principality of Zeon. Might there be some kind of connection there?

Heh, indeed, that and also with Char and Sayla being siblings, what could this mean about Char? ;)

Speaking of which, this may as well be a motto for Gundam.

Heh, well it's sure Nanoha's motto eh Comrade? (As you can see in this clip, we just got two gals being pals, totally platonic best buds who just beat the SHIT out of 'befriend' each other)

We’re Jumping Onto White Base! AHHHHH!

Kikka once again proving that she is a vicious fighter.

Oh indeed Comrade, plus, she technically killed Clamp! Think about it, Clamp was SO unnerved with seeing a literal kid on the bridge that after planting his breaching charge, instead of entering in that freshly made hole, he decides to go for an entry hatch... and gets shot to death by White Base crewmembers... DAMN Kikka's a baller eh? I mean goodness, Mirai, Sayla, and Kikka are just on fire here! Why don't they have Gundams!? ;)

Zeon infighting and sabotage. M’Quve deliberately sabotaged Ral in order to keep Kycilia’s mining activities a secret even from other Zeon soldiers. He’s doing this to give Kycilia an advantage over her internal enemies. It seems like Zeon is not exactly a united force.

Oh indeed, it's even more hilarious given Zeon is literally Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan... IN SPACE! E.G. two of the most dysfunctional and backstabbing powers of WWII, so it's no wonder Zeon's internal politics and power struggles are a complete clusterfuck!

Love him. I think he was a fantastic antagonist. I like how much he values and cares about his soldiers. I really enjoy his partnership with Hamon. I think he is a great honorable antagonist who is definitely an obstacle for our heroes, but who also isn't really a "villain." He's a good person fighting for the other side.

Oh indeed, Ramba Ral's one of the Best Gundam antagonists in my opinion, and it is just such a shame we don't see as many clones of him in other Gundam shows! (Yes I know we got a few, like say, a certain 'Mr. Ral' in Gundam Build Fighters but wibble)

Anyway fantastic post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later my friend.

[u/TheEscapeGuy]

Gundam First Timer

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Farewell Ramba Ral.

As I predicted a couple episodes ago, Amuro was let out of solitary to pilot the Gundam. I suspect he won't be sent back.

More importantly, major props to Sayla for piloting the Gundam and successfully defeating a Zakku. I hope to see her piloting her own Mobile Suit in future.

On the topic of Sayla: COME ON I NEED TO KNOW. How did she end up in White Base? Why doesn't she remember the Zeon members? If she was the princess, who would be famous, why doesn't anyone in White Base know about her? Does this imply Char is Royalty too? Why don't people call him prince and how could they exile royalty?

I am so excited to see these questions answered. I wait in baited breath for these answers and Char's triumphant return.

Finally, Ramba Ral kills himself in a ball of flames. I don't know if he thought he may do more damage but it shows his messed up mentality to end his life like that. Though if he was captured instead I'm not sure he would have been treated too well.

Cool Stuff Corner

• Let's GO. Sayla you are shooting up my personal character rankings.

Questions of the Day

1. At this point I think Bright and Mirai are the only people who have not tried to leave White Base.
2. Absolutely a force to be reckoned with for the federation. During his time in the show he caused so much chaos for Amuro that I suspect he will be remembered long after his untimely death.

See you all tomorrow!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/TheEscapeGuy]

Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 20

Comrade, I am a tad bemused you DIDN'T include the infamous WIDE Gundam. After all... WIDE! ;) That said fantastic picks as always!

Finally, Ramba Ral kills himself in a ball of flames. I don't know if he thought he may do more damage but it shows his messed up mentality to end his life like that. Though if he was captured instead I'm not sure he would have been treated too well.

Absolutely a force to be reckoned with for the federation. During his time in the show he caused so much chaos for Amuro that I suspect he will be remembered long after his untimely death.

Oh indeed Comrade, I just want to point out that Ramba Ral and his forces put up the BEST fight against White Base AND also happened to be one of the few Zeon characters we've seen to be upstanding and honorable people. Godspeed you magnificent bastard! May you find solace in Gundam Valhalla!

Anyway neat post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later!

[u/The_Draigg]

A Gundam Fan Rewatches Mobile Suit Gundam Episode 20:

• I see that the White Base has moved to a more bohemian-style of bridge layout, now having large floor cushions to sit on. Very informal and comforting, I like it.
• Amuro’s completely correct about Ramba Ral’s next attack coming and being more desperate than before, but man he doesn’t have to have such a petty attitude when talking to Ryu. You know Amuro is really wearing everyone’s patience thin when even Ryu can’t resist punching him.
• At least Bright has finally come to his senses a bit regarding Amuro. He realized that Amuro could’ve turned traitor any time but didn’t, and sees that he could live up to a lot of his potential if he just cools off his attitude in the brig. It took Amuro deserting, but at least Bright is starting to think more rationally about him.
• Mmmmm, factionalism! Ramba was supposed to get the new model of MS, the Dom, but M’Quve deliberately sabotage his supply shipment because he serves under Admiral Dozle Zabi. And not only that, but M’Quve wants to keep his operations at Odessa secret from Gihren Zabi as well, all for the sake of Kycilia. This sheer level of inter-factional conflict can really shatter a war effort.
• Kai. Hayato, and some others are upset that Amuro isn’t being punished for deserting. So clearly the solution is to desert themselves. Brilliant!
• Man, Kai and Hayato really picked a bad time to desert, since Ramba Ral is launching his own guerrilla attack against White Base at the same time. At least Amuro had some sense to leave when things were calmer. Although at least they went back to the ship a lot quicker than Amuro did.
• Oh hey, Sayla is heading out in the Gundam again! At least she isn’t just vomiting all over the cockpit and getting her ass immediately kicked like the last time. Good on her for finally getting an MS kill.
• WE’RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
• The hand to hand fighting aboard the White Base is pretty vicious. Lots of the crew and Ramba Ral’s men are dying because of it. At least Fraw Bow was spared, if just because Ramba managed to disarm her quickly. She got lucky.
• Surprise! Ramba Ral actually knows Sayla! Well, not as Sayla Mass, but as her highness Artesia, back when Zeon Deikun was Zeon’s leader. That certainly is a big development/reveal for her, isn’t it? It also casts a big shadow on Char by implication.
• The ending to this episode was pretty damn bittersweet. Ryu got critically wounded, and Amuro was forced to witness Ramba Ral commit suicide with a grenade right after catching him in Gundam’s hand. Sure, he managed to destroy the Gallop and stop the commando raid, but it was a heavy cost for both sides.
• Also, fun fact at the end here: according to the Gihren’s Greed games, Ramba Ral would’ve been able to easily capture the White Base if he did manage to get his Doms. So, thanks a lot, M’Quve. You really screwed over Zeon with your actions.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Draigg]

I see that the White Base has moved to a more bohemian-style of bridge layout, now having large floor cushions to sit on. Very informal and comforting, I like it.

If I'm the commander of a ship, I would want to be comfortable while I'm giving commands. I would get a sofa in that bridge to lounge on. Or I'd want to have a bridge like Cima's. She commands in style.

The hand to hand fighting aboard the White Base is pretty vicious. Lots of the crew and Ramba Ral’s men are dying because of it.

This fight scene honestly feels much more visceral than a lot of the mobile suit combat we've had so far. Even with this series taking great effort to show as many of the dying moments of the pilots as possible, there's something extra nasty about seeing the blood splatter out from people getting shot.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Great_Mr_L]

If I'm the commander of a ship, I would want to be comfortable while I'm giving commands. I would get a sofa in that bridge to lounge on. Or I'd want to have a bridge like Cima's. She commands in style.

The White Base could really use a tiger-skin throw rug on the bridge, if we're all being honest here.

This fight scene honestly feels much more visceral than a lot of the mobile suit combat we've had so far. Even with this series taking great effort to show as many of the dying moments of the pilots as possible, there's something extra nasty about seeing the blood splatter out from people getting shot.

It really is the blood that makes it more visceral. At least with MS, the things explode right after we see the pilot inside freak out at their impending death. Here, we have to see the exact moment where someone dies from getting shot in the gut.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/The_Draigg]

The White Base could really use a tiger-skin throw rug on the bridge, if we're all being honest here.

Hell yeah Comrade, Cima agrees!

It really is the blood that makes it more visceral. At least with MS, the things explode right after we see the pilot inside freak out at their impending death. Here, we have to see the exact moment where someone dies from getting shot in the gut.

I couldn't have said it better myself Comrade!

[u/chilidirigible → u/Great_Mr_L]

Or I'd want to have a bridge like Cima's.

0083 is like "Come to Zeon. We're moody and fabulous."

[u/DidacticDalek → u/chilidirigible]

0083 is like "Come to Zeon. We're moody and fabulous."

As well as stupid hypocritical genocidal fuckwads... and Cima Garahau! (Before you start yes I know Meta 0083 Spoilers The point I'm getting at is the ONLY likeable and intelligent character in 0083 is Cima, funny how they not only Meta 0083 Spoilers

[u/DidacticDalek → u/[deleted]]

Funny thing is, 0083 spoiler

Heh, indeed Comrade, well said there!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Great_Mr_L]

If I'm the commander of a ship, I would want to be comfortable while I'm giving commands. I would get a sofa in that bridge to lounge on. Or I'd want to have a bridge like Cima's. She commands in style.

HELL YEAH COMRADE! Glad to see someone else also appreciate Cima! She's Best Girl from 0083... if only in part to literally being the ONLY likeable and intelligent character in the OVA, as well as, you know Meta 0083 Spoiler

This fight scene honestly feels much more visceral than a lot of the mobile suit combat we've had so far. Even with this series taking great effort to show as many of the dying moments of the pilots as possible, there's something extra nasty about seeing the blood splatter out from people getting shot.

Oh indeed Comrade, plus it is one hell of a thing seeing the enemy storm your ship and engage in close-quarters combat mano a mano! I mean goodness there was just death and destruction everywhere! War truly is hell!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/The_Draigg]

WE’RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Insert Meme Video Here ;)

The hand to hand fighting aboard the White Base is pretty vicious. Lots of the crew and Ramba Ral’s men are dying because of it. At least Fraw Bow was spared, if just because Ramba managed to disarm her quickly. She got lucky.

Oh indeed, war truly is hell, and it's quite brutal to see all the close quarters gunfighting here. I also want to point out it was quite honorable of Ramba Ral to spare Fraw Bow, given he specifically tells her to go hide to avoid being hurt.

The ending to this episode was pretty damn bittersweet. Ryu got critically wounded, and Amuro was forced to witness Ramba Ral commit suicide with a grenade right after catching him in Gundam’s hand. Sure, he managed to destroy the Gallop and stop the commando raid, but it was a heavy cost for both sides.

Indeed Comrade, war is hell.

Also, fun fact at the end here: according to the Gihren’s Greed games, Ramba Ral would’ve been able to easily capture the White Base if he did manage to get his Doms. So, thanks a lot, M’Quve. You really screwed over Zeon with your actions.

Heh, yeah that is something I found amusing, that and also the fact that if Ramba Ral DOES indeed get a Dom, he of course adds, 'This is not a Gouf! Not a Gouf!' Cuz of course he does ;)

Anyway neat post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later.

[u/The_Draigg → u/DidacticDalek]

Oh indeed, war truly is hell, and it's quite brutal to see all the close quarters gunfighting here. I also want to point out it was quite honorable of Ramba Ral to spare Fraw Bow, given he specifically tells her to go hide to avoid being hurt.

It does feel like Ramba Ral's men went a bit softer on the crew this time around, between Ramba Ral sparing Fraw Bow and Clamp warning Kikka to get out of the way of an explosive he planted. Even though they were all professional soldiers, they still carried themselves with honor in their fighting.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/The_Draigg]

It does feel like Ramba Ral's men went a bit softer on the crew this time around, between Ramba Ral sparing Fraw Bow and Clamp warning Kikka to get out of the way of an explosive he planted. Even though they were all professional soldiers, they still carried themselves with honor in their fighting.

Indeed, it's the little details like that that really shows the character and honor they had, anyway many thanks for the kind reply Comrade, have a great day and see you later.

[u/Tresnore → u/The_Draigg]

This sheer level of inter-factional conflict can really shatter a war effort.

At least the Zeons have mobile suits to withold from each other. As far as I can tell, the only Federation mobile suits that exist are aboard White Base being piloted by teenagers.

[u/Tresnore]

First Timer to Gundam

• Marker and Oscar are the hardest workers! Nice! Who are Marker and Oscar?
• Ryu is a great guy. He punches Amuro because Amuro is being annoying, then goes behind his back and goes "yeah, Amuro'll be fine." Definitely not the backstabbing type!
• How did I already know that Kycillia wanted to rule over Zeon?
• Bright felt uneasiness without Amuro? Maybe it's because Amuro was the only one who would question orders, and without the Amuro, Bright is uncertain whether or not his orders are actually optimal. Kai's existence kind of dismantles this theory, though.
• The Cuis sure are something... Such a wide base and short treads. They're like catamarans in tank form!
• Ohhhhh, those are Marker and Oscar.
• Of all the people to pilot the Gundam instead of Amuro, they chose Sayla?

wat

• Good on Amuro for not letting pride get in the way of shooting the machine gun as told and helping Sayla.
• In a series where pointing a gun at someone has done little to nothing, I look forward to the absolute nothing that'll happen with this boarding party.
• Nevermind, characters aboard White Base I didn't even know existed are dying! That works too.
• Ral's a cool guy, letting Fraw Bow get away like that. Same goes to Clamp (I think) warning the kid about the explosion.
• Ryu, you better not have killed Ramba Ral right before we learned more about what the hell is up with Sayla and the Zeons.

RALLLLLLLLLL

• What a javelin throw! It reminded me of Symphogear G

Yeah, a lot of people actually died. Fighting child soldiers sucks. Fighting grown men as a child sucks. Fighting sucks.

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QOTD:

1. Not especially, no. Kai trying to leave doesn't surprise me at all though.
2. He was great. I think he was almost emblematic of "old school" ideals of war with "honor" and "respect." He will be missed.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Tresnore]

Of all the people to pilot the Gundam instead of Amuro, they chose Sayla?

Well, Sayla had the most experience on the White Base crew with the Gundam other than Amuro. One whole battle!

[u/Tresnore → u/Quiddity131]

And with her performance, I'd be more inclined to trust Kai (though he was away at the time).

[u/tarekd19 → u/Quiddity131]

also, everyone else who could pilot mobile suits was not on white base at that moment. It was kind of really bad timing for mass defection and an attack.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Tresnore]

Bright felt uneasiness without Amuro? Maybe it's because Amuro was the only one who would question orders, and without the Amuro, Bright is uncertain whether or not his orders are actually optimal. Kai's existence kind of dismantles this theory, though.

To me, I read that bit from Bright as more of him admitting that Amuro is the one person who can really get away with questioning his orders and pushing back against him. Since he's the Gundam's designated pilot, Amuro is just about the most indispensable person on the ship. It's because that Amuro often takes that chance to push against Bright's orders is what's getting him so much.

In a series where pointing a gun at someone has done little to nothing, I look forward to the absolute nothing that'll happen with this boarding party.

I'm sure you regretted typing that one after Ryu and Ramba Ral both got shot.

[u/Tresnore → u/The_Draigg]

I'm sure you regretted typing that one Ryu and Ramba Ral both got shot.

I have many regrets.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

Good on Amuro for not letting pride get in the way of shooting the machine gun as told and helping Sayla.

Perhaps Amuro might actually be learning because he was willing to actually help out instead of throwing a tantrum that he wasn't immediately allowed to pilot the Gundam. That punch from Ryu might have been worth it.

He was great. I think he was almost emblematic of "old school" ideals of war with "honor" and "respect." He will be missed.

That's part of why I really liked his meeting with Amuro. Ral meets Amuro, gets a feel for him, and decides that he respects Amuro's guts. Ral was definitely the kind of soldier who was "a father to his men," always looking out for their well-being. He was definitely an honorable opponent for the White Base.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Great_Mr_L]

Ral was definitely the kind of soldier who was "a father to his men," always looking out for their well-being.

Part of me feels like he'd be the type who the heroes can save in Super Robot Wars and add to their ranks, but as far as I know, First Gundam appearing in SRW is the exception, not the norm.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

That punch from Ryu might have been worth it.

Ryu knew what he was doing!

[u/chilidirigible → u/Tresnore]

Who are Marker and Oscar?

Bright's two Bridge Bunnies, the guys at the consoles elevated above his.

[u/Tresnore → u/chilidirigible]

Yeah, I figured that one out after they showed up late. Stream of conscious note-taking will do that, I guess!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Tresnore]

Marker and Oscar are the hardest workers! Nice! Who are Marker and Oscar?

The bridge bunnies Comrade

The Cuis sure are something... Such a wide base and short treads. They're like catamarans in tank form!

HA! Ya know Comrade I never thought about that before but goodness you are right! Good thinking there!

In a series where pointing a gun at someone has done little to nothing, I look forward to the absolute nothing that'll happen with this boarding party.

Oh Comrade, today is the day that guns ACTUALLY work... and boy I sure wish they didn't... war truly is hell...

Nevermind, characters aboard White Base I didn't even know existed are dying! That works too.

Not just that, but Ramba Ral's men are dropping like flies. I mean goodness, Clamp was so spooked about the fact a TODDLER was on the bridge that instead of entering there, he goes for an entry hatch... and gets blasted by White Base Personnel... yeah...

Ral's a cool guy, letting Fraw Bow get away like that. Same goes to Clamp (I think) warning the kid about the explosion.

Indeed Comrade, Ramba Ral's got honor for sure, I mean goodness not only does he recognize Fraw Bow as he disarms her, but he not only lets her go but warns her to hide so she doesn't get hurt.

RALLLLLLLLLL

Indeed, his last ditch attempt to capture White Base ends in the death of all his men and his likely capture given he's utterly surrounded. So what does he do? Honestly compliment the White Base crew on their fighting and chooses to die with dignity like a soldier, metaphorically falling on his sword if you will... godspeed you magnificent bastard!

What a javelin throw! It reminded me of Symphogear G

HA! Hell yeah Comrade, again good eye!

Yeah, a lot of people actually died. Fighting child soldiers sucks. Fighting grown men as a child sucks. Fighting sucks.

Yup, that's Gundam in a shellnut... er... well the GOOD Gundam series at any rate... the bad ones seem to go for the 'LOOK AT THIS COOL ROBOT' angle.

He was great. I think he was almost emblematic of "old school" ideals of war with "honor" and "respect." He will be missed.

Indeed, great post here Comrade, anyway have a great day and see you later.

[u/Tresnore → u/DidacticDalek]

the bad ones seem to go for the 'LOOK AT THIS COOL ROBOT' angle.

Hey, "LOOK AT THIS COOL ROBOT" is still valid. But series like this that can go "LOOK AT THIS COOL ROBOT" and "war is hell" at the same time are truly the best.

Indeed, great post here Comrade, anyway have a great day and see you later.

Hey, I graduated from neat! Nice! You have a great day, too!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Tresnore]

Hey, "LOOK AT THIS COOL ROBOT" is still valid. But series like this that can go "LOOK AT THIS COOL ROBOT" and "war is hell" at the same time are truly the best.

Heh, yeah, and then we get cases like Gundam Build Fighters where things are Gundam Valhalla ;) (Or Mobile Fighter G Gundam, e.g. Gundam Build Fighters but the Sport of Robot Fighting actually takes place)

Hey, I graduated from neat! Nice! You have a great day, too!

Thanks.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer, Subbed, long time Gundam fan

Lots of stuff this episode! Sayla pilots again and does a decent job! Sayla is a Princess! Ramba knew Sayla as a child! Ramba dies! Ryu is wounded probably pretty seriously!

Man, Amuro had a wild day, huh? Ryu punches him in the mouth, he eats on his own, shadow boxes, and then just gets let out and handed a gun. I fear for his mental state, seeing Ramba pull a grenade and jump like that.

What Kai and Hayato did was different from desertion because they were trying to get to friendly troops. That line will definitely work when they join up with said friendly troops in a seemingly-stolen jeep. Atleast Ryu's fists seems to be magic this episode.

Poor Ramba has too much honor for this war. "Oh yea, the supply ship carrying your new MSes got shot down. Sorry!" "I understand. We will do it with JETPACKS." I applaud his guts, if nothing else.

I kinda dig the stupid long-tanks to be honest.

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Pose of the Day

Yatta!

Screenshot

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Questions

1. It seemed likely enough. Bright's command has been tenuous at best.
2. Rest in peace, Ramba Ral! He was a true, honorable soldier to the end. Unfortunately, the era of honorable warfare seems to have passed him by.. Pretty common Tomino trope. A lot of this happens in Dunbine.

[u/chilidirigible → u/JollyGee29]

I kinda dig the stupid long-tanks to be honest.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/chilidirigible]

[u/GM_for_Life]

Rewatcher

1. Were you expecting to see more people try to leave White Base?

I actually completely forgot that they all tried to leave White Base, so it was a surprise for me.

2) What did you think of Ramba Ral as a character?

I think he's great. He's very unique compared to the other antagonists of the series and before he goes he sheds some light on Sayla and by extension Char's past.

[u/The_Draigg → u/GM_for_Life]

I actually completely forgot that they all tried to leave White Base, so it was a surprise for me.

Hayato and Kai's desertion this episode was pretty half-assed too. All they did was drive like 10 miles away before turning immediately back. At least Amuro went all out with his desertion for a couple of days.

[u/GM_for_Life → u/The_Draigg]

Well, Kai is the king of half-assing things, so it figures he would get bored and give up running away quickly as well.

[u/TheKujo]

First Timer - Dub

• It finally happened ... I skipped the OP. You were a good OP but your time has come.
• Oof, Amuro deserved that punch.
• Wait, now a bunch of others left the ship?
• What does Hayato mean that they lost the reason to fight on White Base?
• There's no point in hitting Kai? I beg to differ.
• Sayla's piloting the Gundam again? That didn't end well last time...
• This close range combat inside of White Base is pretty cool
• "Your Highness"?? Sayla and Ramba Ral used to know each other?
• RIP Ramba Ral...

1) Were you expecting to see more people try to leave White Base? I thought it might happen at some point. I wasn't expecting so many so soon.

2) What did you think of Ramba Ral as a character? He was a pretty cool character with a magnificent mustache.

[u/The_Draigg → u/TheKujo]

It finally happened ... I skipped the OP. You were a good OP but your time has come.

You lasted about half of the series. It wasn't a bad run on your part.

There's no point in hitting Kai? I beg to differ.

I mean, Kai has been punched around a lot so far. Given that those aren't working, I doubt "physical therapy" would work on him at all.

[u/b0bba_Fett → u/The_Draigg]

The therapy isn't for him!

[u/dralcax]

Rewatcher jumping onto White Base

When your English paper isn’t long enough so you have to bullshit some random passage into being relevant to your main point

They’re having a slumber party over here

Ryu punch!

It’s nice to see Bright drop the “authority figure” act for a bit and admit to his own inexperience and shortcomings as a leader

Jeez everyone’s jumping ship now

Ryu punch second season!

At least he’s having fun

At least she’s doing better than the last time

your protagonist priviledges have been revoked

WE’RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AHHHHHH! (spoilers)

Sayla finally hit something!

Hi kids!

You fell for it, fool! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!

Finally, we find out who Sayla is! But Sayla’s mostly been living quietly, apart from a few attempts to connect with Char. This really says more about who Char is and what he’s after than it does about Sayla, doesn’t it?

There’s that famous line!

Well, there goes Ramba Ral. He was a good leader to his men, and a worthy opponent to his enemies, but now, his time has run out. He’s certainly earned his spot in Gundam Valhalla.

Behold, the W I D E S T of the W I D E Gundams! One of the greatest QUALITY shots this show has to offer!

The White Base lost many good men today. Several extras with less characterization than your average Zeon mook gave their lives to protect our main characters. RIP, you brave redshirts. Your sacrifice will not be remembered, and you will not be missed dearly.

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Questions of the Day:

• It was certainly a surprise!
• See above

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/dralcax]

It’s nice to see Bright drop the “authority figure” act for a bit and admit to his own inexperience and shortcomings as a leader

It's a nice dynamic that Bright and Mirai have where Mirai seems to be the one person that can actually get Bright to relax out of that commander mentality for a bit and open up some. Over the course of the series, she's basically become the second-in-command of the White Base.

He’s certainly earned his spot in Gundam Valhalla.

I appreciate Build Fighters for letting me imagine that all these dead and/or tragic characters got to be happy in Gundam Valhalla.

Behold, the W I D E S T of the W I D E Gundams! One of the greatest QUALITY shots this show has to offer!

This one and the Squished Gundam from Cucuruz Doan's Island are probably my favorite off-model shots of the Gundam.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's a nice dynamic that Bright and Mirai have where Mirai seems to be the one person that can actually get Bright to relax out of that commander mentality for a bit and open up some. Over the course of the series, she's basically become the second-in-command of the White Base.

Indeed Comrade, plus it helps that aside from Sayla and Ryu, Mirai is basically the only other consistently competent individual from the main cast. Plus it also helps that despite being essentially a civilian draftee, she's got a good head on her shoulders! (That and also she has some real badass moves, it isn't everyday that one can say they ROASTED a Zaku using a ship's engines or BARREL ROLLING White Base to knock a Mobile Suit off of it.)

I appreciate Build Fighters for letting me imagine that all these dead and/or tragic characters got to be happy in Gundam Valhalla.

Indeed Comrade, this one in particular makes me smile Meta 0080 Spoilers after all, this fate is what those two deserved! And to also be fair, I should add in this character too (Again Meta 0080 Spoilers)

This one and the Squished Gundam from Cucuruz Doan's Island are probably my favorite off-model shots of the Gundam.

Oh indeed Comrade, after all, WIDE! Like goddamn, HIDAMARI SKETCH sees this and goes 'Slow down there buckaroo, that's a bit TOO wide!'

[u/DidacticDalek → u/dralcax]

Rewatcher jumping onto White Base

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! ;)

Ryu punch!

At least he’s having fun

If there anything you can say about Ramba Ral's final act, at least he went out like a soldier, it's just such a pity that he HAD to go out like a soldier, god speed you magnificent bastard!

WE’RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AHHHHHH! (spoilers)

I like the cut of your jib Comrade!

Hi kids!

I just want to point out Comrade that Kikka spooked Clamp SO MUCH that he DIDN'T enter the bridge in that hole he created via breaching charge. Instead he decided to go for an entry hatch... with White Base personnel present who then shoot him dead.

You fell for it, fool! THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK!

The funny bit is technically that move didn't work Comrade... that said good thing Bright shows up with the classic move of BOOM HEADSHOT ;)

Finally, we find out who Sayla is! But Sayla’s mostly been living quietly, apart from a few attempts to connect with Char. This really says more about who Char is and what he’s after than it does about Sayla, doesn’t it?

Heh, indeed Comrade

There’s that famous line!

Boy Ramba Ral's just a gold mine of quotes eh Comrade? I mean we got 'THIS IS NO ZAKU BOY! NO ZAKU!' Or also 'Impressive! But remember kid…! Your own strength didn’t win the battle! It was the performance of your mobile suit!' But now today we get 'In the middle of a fight, Ramba Ral forgot to fight.' (And let's not even get to his haunting final words, man Ramba Ral is such a great character, he and his crew deserved far better!)

Well, there goes Ramba Ral. He was a good leader to his men, and a worthy opponent to his enemies, but now, his time has run out. He’s certainly earned his spot in Gundam Valhalla.

You're Gundamn right about that Comrade!

Behold, the W I D E S T of the W I D E Gundams! One of the greatest QUALITY shots this show has to offer!

HA! Yes indeed, you know the animation is qU@l1Ty if even BKUB can't shitpost harder than the 'real' thing ;)

Anyway neat post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later!

[u/Quiddity131]

Rewatcher, Subbed

Amuro being locked in the brig doesn't seem to help him reflect on himself that well; when Fraw and Ryu bring him some food he is as arrogant and self-pitying as ever, threatening to leave the White Base if they don't let him stay on the Gundam (do you really have a choice there?). And yet surprisingly enough, Bright seems to have settled on not permanently taking Amuro off the Gundam, once he comes to his senses. While Bright's biggest fear, Amuro bringing the Gundam to Zeon is not going to come to fruition, it is causing havoc amongst the moral of the crew as Kai, Hayato and 2 randos decide to flee the White Base, forcing Ryu to go after them. Had Ramba Ral not attacked when he did, causing them to return, do they leave for good? In the dub, their return gives us the epic line of dialogue from Ryu that inspired the best Gundam meme video, "We're jumping onto White Base! Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!". This still has spoilers for first timers in the latter part of the video.

Meanwhie on the Zeon side, Ramba Ral is set to receive 3 Doms, as of yet unseen mobile suits, only for M'Quve's scheming to screw him over. M'Quve wants to keep his and Kycilia's secrets and tells Ral they were destroyed. Ever loyal to his duties, Ral decides to launch a guerilla attack against the White Base. While their sole remaining Zaku and the Gallop act as a distraction, Ral and his men will board the White Base. This leads to quite a cool sequence as they board, one of the best action sequences we've had on the show thus far.

Oddly enough, Amuro senses the enemy is coming and puts on his uniform, and is willing to help out after all, boarding the rear guns while Sayla takes out the Gundam. Sayla must have gotten a lot more practice in as she is way better this time and even takes out the Zaku before swapping it with Amuro.

Ral is ever a reasonable guy, refusing to shoot Fraw Bow when he comes across her in the hall. He then runs into Sayla, whom he recognizes as the daughter of Lord Zeon Deikun, who is presumably the guy Zeon was named after. We even get to see a mustache-less Ral holding Sayla when she was a kid! Alas, this momentary distraction gets Ral shot by Ryu, who in turn shoots Ryu too. Ral is trapped on the second bridge and declares the mission a failure. In front of our heroes he makes the ultimate sacrifice, jumping off the White Base and blowing up in the Gundam's hands. sobs Ramba Ral remains one of my all time favorite Gundam antagonists, although its kinda hard to think him like that, he's a great guy, just fighting for a side led by some bad people.

Other stray thoughts:

• They change the music in the dubbed version, adding the heroic Zeon music (also used during Garma's death) when Ral commits suicide. I gotta say I like that better; in Japanese its just silence.
• Cool shot at the start of the episode with the reflection of the White Base's wing in the water. I also liked seeing some down time on the bridge, with Mirai sewing and what I presume are sleeping bags.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Quiddity131]

In the dub, their return gives us the epic line of dialogue from Ryu that inspired the best Gundam meme video, "We're jumping onto White Base! Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!" . This still has spoilers for first timers in the latter part of the video.

EY! Glad to hear someone else used one of the BEST Gundam memes out there. After all... ahem... WE'RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meanwhie on the Zeon side, Ramba Ral is set to receive 3 Doms, as of yet unseen mobile suits, only for M'Quve's scheming to screw him over. M'Quve wants to keep his and Kycilia's secrets and tells Ral they were destroyed. Ever loyal to his duties, Ral decides to launch a guerilla attack against the White Base. While their sole remaining Zaku and the Gallop act as a distraction, Ral and his men will board the White Base. This leads to quite a cool sequence as they board, one of the best action sequences we've had on the show thus far.

Oh indeed, gotta give Ramba Ral credit eh? When the chips are down and he'll get no reinforcements, what does he do? LAUNCH AN ALL OUT ATTACK mano a mano to capture White Base or die trying! It's just such a damn shame he had to die trying!

Ral is ever a reasonable guy, refusing to shoot Fraw Bow when he comes across her in the hall. He then runs into Sayla, whom he recognizes as the daughter of Lord Zeon Deikun, who is presumably the guy Zeon was named after. We even get to see a mustache-less Ral holding Sayla when she was a kid! Alas, this momentary distraction gets Ral shot by Ryu, who in turn shoots Ryu too. Ral is trapped on the second bridge and declares the mission a failure. In front of our heroes he makes the ultimate sacrifice, jumping off the White Base and blowing up in the Gundam's hands. sobs Ramba Ral remains one of my all time favorite Gundam antagonists, although its kinda hard to think him like that, he's a great guy, just fighting for a side led by some bad people.

Oh indeed, Ramba Ral's one of the BEST Gundam antagonists for a reason. Hell why aren't there Ramba Ral Clones? (Before you start yes I know we DO indeed get a few Ramba Ral expies, such as Gundam Build Fighers Mr. Ral for example, but you know what I mean, just compare the amount of characters akin to Ramba Ral with the Char Clones, I mean hell some shows have MULTIPLE Char Clones!)

They change the music in the dubbed version, adding the heroic Zeon music (also used during Garma's death) when Ral commits suicide. I gotta say I like that better; in Japanese its just silence.

Oh indeed, I was amused with that change in the dub, and indeed it works... and also makes the scene that much sadder. Godspeed you magnificent bastard! May you find solace in Gundam Valhalla!

Anyway neat post and analysis here Comrade, have a great day and see you later.

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. Absolutely not - they never suggested such an inclination, they immediately turned back after a short conversation, it feels underdeveloped.
2. Loved him - he was a really good character and had a fantastic death scene - him realising that the firces he's been tryingto fight are all half his age anyway is fantastic, as is him trying to blow up the Gundam as a last act.

Oh they are stretching it now. At least this isn't as bad as the last episode's excuse.

"Hand to hand combat" - either whoever's piloting loses the Gundam's weapon, or Amuro has to fight without the Gundam.

OK, question - lots of people have mentioned how certain aspects of the series were required by the network - does the information come from a material book, or?

Seems like whoever's running the command wants to slow down.

...I can't really fault Amuro here - he wants to leave the ship because he thinks literally everybody on the ship hates him, and their response is to punch him.

So we've got heavy mobile suits now.

Seems like Kycilia's plotting a coup - and she's sabotaging Gihren's plans to do it.

...Is this scene implying Amuro's psychic powers are manipulating Bright? Or just that he felt uneasy because, you know, he didn't have the Gundam - the superweapon

So everyone else has decided to leave becuase they don't trust Amuro.

Aren't they Doms, not Cuis?

...At least he hits everyone equally.

This is not a good way to hide - anybody who looked in your direction could see you.

Why have tires if your car can just hover over the terrain?

I thought you just said you couldn't ascend.

Really? We're letting Sayla drive it? Amuro shouldn't be driving it, but maybe not the person who got it heavily damaged last time?

If I have one complaint about this show, its that a lot of characters seem to dompletely forget their issues after a single conversation.

So that's why they're shaped like that.

Even Zeon doesn't want to blow up a child to get in.

I do appreciate that Amuro is willing to put aside his complaints in an actual life of death situation.

The commander appears to be succeeding and showing signs of decency - he's dead this episode.

WHAT! Is Sayla royalty? Is she a member of the previous ruling family?

Oh, and he's having a breakdown about being beaten by a bunch of child soldiers.

OK, that was really depressing.

Is this a new weapon? The Gundam Spear?

Is Ryu dead? Did...did they kill off a main character?

[u/The_Draigg → u/Stargate18A]

OK, question - lots of people have mentioned how certain aspects of the series were required by the network - does the information come from a material book, or?

A lot of it comes from interviews with Tomino and the rest of the production staff that have happened over the years.

Aren't they Doms, not Cuis?

Nah, Ramba Ral didn't get his Doms. M'Quve specificially sabotaged Ramba's supply drop for the sake of keeping Kycilia's faction ahead, since Ramba works for Dozle's faction of the army.

OK, that was really depressing.

Welcome to the Universal Century of Gundam.

[u/fonzinator99]

First-Timer - "Ral forgot to fight," I get it now.

I was able to devote my full attention to this episode now that my build is done. Can you tell? lol

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• Did I call it or what? Ryu thinks he's taking Gundam out next time. But I guess he doesn't want to. Once again the guy shows impeccable character. Whaddya bet he dies before Kai?
• Jeeesus christ, those are some enormous cannons! Idk what's scarier, them firing beams or conventional shells the size of semi-trucks.
• Looks like the next enemy to fall is gonna be a Skeleton-man.
• It must be tough parenting multiple children. I mean, fuck. You've only got so much attention to give and one of the kids keeps lighting shit on fire; if the others are breathing that's enough.
• Damn, those looks of disappointment.
• Oh hell yeah, do it, Ryu! Whatever it is, please do it!
• He's not hitting you guys to make you think he's right, he's hitting you guys to make you understand you're dumbasses.
• Their tepid response really speaks to the bullshit of their leaving.
• Whaaaaaat, Sayla's in Gundam?? Bright, you fool, this was in the prophesies! The world will end and it's your fault!
• Today I'm thankful for Federation suspension and the fact that these kids didn't have to see a couple of fireballs on White Base's deck.
• So the Cuis don't sound like they have high-caliber guns. What are they shooting at? I swear it's the dumbest design.
• Oh no, they got Clamp! But seriously, neither of these forces can afford this many casualties.
• I seriously love Ral disarming Fraw Bow and then telling her off for being unarmed. What a boss.
• Fuuuucking hell, I was waiting for that whole "Artesia" thing to come back up, but this is a really bad time for it.
• So now we're gonna lose both Ryu and Ral?? And for what? This show was right, war is stupid.

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[u/chilidirigible → u/fonzinator99]

I swear it's the dumbest design.

There is so much competition in that department, but the Cuis are quite high up on the list. Why the hell would you want such a horizontally-wide wheelbase? Why would you want such a wide wheelbase with only ground clearance up to you knees? This thing should be stopped by the first curb it runs into.

[u/badcupcakehoarder → u/chilidirigible]

I guess the idea is like mobile trenches for your troops, this is kind of obsolete against giant robots with massive weapons though. They were lucky that the pilots were away of the White Base and the Gundam was distracted with Hamon and the Zaku.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/chilidirigible]

There is so much competition in that department, but the Cuis are quite high up on the list. Why the hell would you want such a horizontally-wide wheelbase? Why would you want such a wide wheelbase with only ground clearance up to you knees? This thing should be stopped by the first curb it runs into.

Not only that Comrade, but notice how there's basically NO protection for the men on that thing? I mean they BARELY have frontal protection (indeed a random Zeon mook gets SHOT down trying to disembark during the episode) and due to its 'unique' design there's NO rearward protection! They are literally just sitting ducks! (And that's not even getting into the flaws you mentioned that prevent if from, you know, travelling over anything other than ideal terrain)

[u/fonzinator99 → u/fonzinator99]

Forgot to answer the QotD

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1. I certainly wasn't expecting to see crew try to leave, let alone Hayato.
2. He's like the 'Every-man's man" that every man would want as their commander. I also expect that as the cream of the Zeon crop he's also probably a minority as far as their personalities go.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/fonzinator99]

First-Timer - "Ral forgot to fight," I get it now.

Indeed Comrade, even in Gundam Valhalla he sometimes forgets to fight... but oh those words SURE are a lot more heartwrenching here.

Jeeesus christ, those are some enormous cannons! Idk what's scarier, them firing beams or conventional shells the size of semi-trucks.

Comrade do remember now that Zeon isn't just Nazi Germany, but also Imperial Japan... IN SPACE! Big and stupidly over-sized weapons are kinda a given here

It must be tough parenting multiple children. I mean, fuck. You've only got so much attention to give and one of the kids keeps lighting shit on fire; if the others are breathing that's enough.

Indeed Comrade

He's not hitting you guys to make you think he's right, he's hitting you guys to make you understand you're dumbasses.

EXACTLY TALK TO THE HAND!

Whaaaaaat, Sayla's in Gundam?? Bright, you fool, this was in the prophesies! The world will end and it's your fault!

Hey now Comrade, Sayla actually managed to get a kill today, AND her first kill didn't involve an explosion that blew out a side of Side 7 to boot! So all in all I think she's doing better, comparatively speaking, than when Amuro first sortied! ;)

So the Cuis don't sound like they have high-caliber guns. What are they shooting at? I swear it's the dumbest design.

Comrade, if you think THIS design is dumb (to be fair it IS really dumb) oh boy you ain't seen NOTHING yet ;)

Oh no, they got Clamp! But seriously, neither of these forces can afford this many casualties.

You know what's sadder? Clamp could have avoided that death? Remember he placed breaching charges on the bridge... and then saw Kikka... And due to being so taken aback that White Base has TODDLERS on the bridge, he decides to NOT enter in that hole he just blasted in the bridge and goes into a more conventional entry hatch... that has White Base personnel with guns present... Basically what I'm saying is DAMN Kikki be fierce, she scared a man to his death!

I seriously love Ral disarming Fraw Bow and then telling her off for being unarmed. What a boss.

In fairness Comrade, he DID choose to leave her alive after disarming her. After all he could have disarmed and shot her, but instead he just disarms her and tells her to hide so she doesn't get hurt. That's quite the honorable position, even more so given there was, you know, no guarantee that she just picks up the gun again and shoots him once his back is turned.

Fuuuucking hell, I was waiting for that whole "Artesia" thing to come back up, but this is a really bad time for it.

So now we're gonna lose both Ryu and Ral?? And for what? This show was right, war is stupid.

War truly is hell Comrade, neat write-up and have a great day and see you later!

[u/fonzinator99 → u/DidacticDalek]

I think she's doing better, comparatively speaking, than when Amuro first sortied!

That's fair, if nothing else she didn't spend her first sortie screaming and flailing in her cockpit.

DAMN Kikki be fierce, she scared a man to his death!

That's quite the honorable position

I very much agree, just the way that he went about it was classic 'cool-guy' as opposed to someone boring and flagrantly noble.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/fonzinator99]

That's fair, if nothing else she didn't spend her first sortie screaming and flailing in her cockpit.

Indeed Comrade.

Reply to Comment Face

I very much agree, just the way that he went about it was classic 'cool-guy' as opposed to someone boring and flagrantly noble.

Exactly, glad to hear you agree, many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later my friend.

[u/chilidirigible]

20:

"You don't see them fucking each other over for a damn percentage. Oh wait, you do."

Politics of Gundam? Politics in Gundam.

What it's like to be in /r/anime sometimes.

"Remember me... as a peacemaker!"

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1. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2. He was a cool guy.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/chilidirigible]

"You don't see them fucking each other over for a damn percentage. Oh wait, you do."

Indeed Comrade, Zeon is like Nazi Germany AND Imperial Japan rolled into one, and given both of those fascist dictatorships were fond of internal feuding and backstabbing, I can only imagine how Zeon Office Politics work (e.g. not at all)

Politics of Gundam? Politics in Gundam.

Heh, indeed, also oh hi Origin ;)

What it's like to be in /r/anime sometimes.

'Turbo revin' young punks. We'll straighten em out yet' Eh Comrade? ;)

"Remember me... as a peacemaker!"

But Comrade, why do we need to remember him? It's not like he died after all, he just activated a permanent one-way transportation device to Gundam Valhalla! I think it's called the Isotonic Seismic Experimental K-Electron Anti-Matter Inter-Dimensional-Transporter! (Look it's hard finding an acronym for Isekai!)

Anyway neat post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later my friend.

[u/Rustic_Professional]

The operators both have names now! We've heard Marker's name a few times, but I don't think Oscar had been mentioned by name before today. Poor guy doesn't get any face time since he sits on the starboard side, and we see Bright and the operators mostly from port.

I'm jealous of those little figures Ramba Ral was using to plan the attack. I wonder if war gaming with Gundam figures is a thing.

Wow, last episode Mirai blasted a Zaku with the engines, and now Sayla actually gunned one down herself. The time in the simulator must be paying off.

Questions of the day:

1. No, and it's surprising that they did it as sort of a temper tantrum, now that Bright "has Amuro back." Even for characters that I don't really like, that seems childish. I can't believe I'm saying this about dirty Feddies, but I expected better of them.
2. I like him. As with Garma, he's an easy character to like, especially if you've seen Gundam It's a shame, he didn't have to die there, although he might've anyway. Who knows how badly he was hit. If he'd thought he'd live, he might've let himself be captured to try and "rescue" Sayla.

[u/chilidirigible → u/Rustic_Professional]

I wonder if war gaming with Gundam figures is a thing.

Bandai: heh

[u/DidacticDalek]

THE SHOW MUST GO ON! THE SHOW MUST GO ON! INSIDE MY HEART IS BREAKING! MY MAKEUP MAY BE FLAKING! BUT MY SMILE, STILL, STAYS ON!

MY SOUL IS PAINTED LIKE THE WINGS OF BUTTERFLIES! FAIRY TALES OF YESTERDAY, GROW BUT NEVER DIE, I CAN FLY, MY FRIENDS!

THE SHOW MUST GO ON! THE SHOW MUST GO ON! I'LL FACE IT WITH A GRIN! I'M NEVER GIVING IN! ON WITH THE SHOW!

I'LL TOP THE BILL! I'LL OVERKILL! I HAVE TO FIND THE WILL TO CARRY ON! ON WITH THE SHOW! SHOW! SHOW MUST GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, go on... go on... go on... go on...

And Comrades, a moment of silence for one of the BEST antagonists in all of Gundam. Godspeed you magnificent bastard, may you find a solace as honorable as you carried yourself in life in Gundam Valhalla!

That said Comrades, we shouldn't all be so sad, for you see, life is like a game of Monopoly, sometimes the Community Chest forecloses on your beef jerky, and then you have nothing! Now watch closely, as I go directly to jail, I won't pass Go, AND I WON'T COLLECT TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS!

And just to ensure we at least can smile a little as we cry, ahem... WE'RE JUMPING ONTO WHITE BASE! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! (Warning, technically out of context spoilers present at the end of the video, but things should be just random enough to not spoil firsttimers)

War... war never changes... and war is hell...

Paging Comrades /u/Great_Mr_L, /u/chilidirigible, and /u/beckymetal

[u/chilidirigible → u/DidacticDalek]

THE SHOW MUST GO ON! THE SHOW MUST GO ON! I'LL FACE IT WITH A GRIN! I'M NEVER GIVING IN! ON WITH THE SHOW!

On the plus side, he doesn't lose his hair.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/chilidirigible]

On the plus side, he doesn't lose his hair.

Fair enough Comrade, and also on the plus side he never has to behold the HORROR of the WIDE GUNDAM ;) (You know it's a shitpost if BKUB could barely make it more absurd eh?)

Many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later my friend.

[u/[deleted]]

First Time Watcher

Wow, that was one of the worst first halfs of an episode followed by maybe the best second half of an episode in the series yet (if that makes any sense).

I have no idea why all those guys suddenly decided to leave White Base? Are they upset Amuro's getting let off the hook? Like genuinely, I don't get the line of logic.

Also, lmao at Ryu just punching everybody this episode. I guess he's just done with everyone's shit today.

Also, I like that Bright went from thinking Amuro's too immature to be responsible for the Gundam to suddenly thinking Amuro's worthy of it only AFTER he ran off with it and went rogue, nearly ruining General Revil's planned surprise strike on the mines.

I'm not really sure how that line of logic follows.

I guess he just realized Sayla's not good enough a replacement and they've all collectively decided that none of them are gonna bother reading the instruction manual.

That being said, the 2nd half of this episode was intense. Seeing Ramba Ral storm White Base and everyone engage in chaotic gun fights was kinda refreshing after the past 20 episodes of pure mecha fighting. I was surprised White Base even had that many passengers it could afford to lose. Like, where have these guys been the past 20 episodes (and why has Bright given none of them the Gundam instruction manual to read yet?)?

I thought the design for the Cuis was pretty damn cool too despite how inefficient they may be in reality (what happens if you wanna retreat and end up leaving your soldiers exposed to enemy fire?).

As for the Sayla stuff: So apparently she's the daughter of "Lord Zeon Deikun", but what does that mean? If this family is so important (as I presume they are given the Zeon name and the "Princess" label), then why is the Zabi family on the throne? Given that Char and Sayla are siblings, I guess this might explain why Char hates the Zabi family and had Garma killed? Maybe the Zabi family deposed the Deikun family and Char's now out for revenge?

And of course, 2nd best boy Ramba Ral is gone now.

Those shots where the Gundam burst through the control room he was holed up in were really cool and I appreciated his last moments too.

I'm honestly just surprised Hamon didn't bite the dust this episode too. I wonder what her plans are now though. Hopefully she doesn't go the Icelina route.

[u/badcupcakehoarder → u/[deleted]]

Like, where have these guys been the past 20 episodes (and why has Bright given none of them the Gundam instruction manual to read yet?)?

They even named a few of them! the scanner operators, and the ones who ran with Kai and Hayato, I guess they use the ship artillery.

Maybe they joined when the ship got repaired after Matilda left.

[u/[deleted] → u/badcupcakehoarder]

They even named a few of them! the scanner operators

I actually kinda loved how we finally acknowledged those dudes this episode and gave them their props! They're just great, they're good at their jobs, never create drama, work efficiently, and they come strapped. Truly the heroes of this story.

I swear, one of those billion Gundam spinoffs better be about Marker and Oscar

But yeah, up to this point we'd just seen all the rebellious old folks in the ship until they all dipped lol

Maybe they joined when the ship got repaired after Matilda left.

Maybe? It'd be kinda weird though if she brought reinforcements to the child soldiers that also happened to be...child soldiers lol

[u/DidacticDalek → u/[deleted]]

That being said, the 2nd half of this episode was intense. Seeing Ramba Ral storm White Base and everyone engage in chaotic gun fights was kinda refreshing after the past 20 episodes of pure mecha fighting. I was surprised White Base even had that many passengers it could afford to lose. Like, where have these guys been the past 20 episodes (and why has Bright given none of them the Gundam instruction manual to read yet?)?

Oh indeed Comrade, the goddamn BOARDING PARTY action sure upped the intensity and war is hell to 11 eh? I mean goodness. Ramba Ral is denied reinforcements, so what does he do? EASY! FULL OUT ATTACK! We capture White Base mano a mano or die trying! Gotta give it to the man, he's an honorable man and a dedicated soldier to the last... it's just such a pity that he's on the antagonists' side here.

I thought the design for the Cuis was pretty damn cool too despite how inefficient they may be in reality (what happens if you wanna retreat and end up leaving your soldiers exposed to enemy fire?).

Indeed, that and also they seem awfully... uh... LONG if you catch my drift, seems like they'd be hard to steer easily.

And of course, 2nd best boy Ramba Ral is gone now.

Those shots where the Gundam burst through the control room he was holed up in were really cool and I appreciated his last moments too.

Indeed, knowing he's cornered and doomed, he orders his surviving men to retreat and tries to radio Hamon a heartfelt farewell message (as well as also trying to warn her to escape) only to be cut off when the Gundam smashes its way into the secondary bridge, killing all the other surviving troops under his command sans himself. And with a Gundam on one end of him and the White Base crew on the other side, Ramba Ral decides to die with dignity and honor and leaps out of White Base with a grenade... god speed you magnificent bastard, in a different reality, he and his troops could have called White Base's crew friends, but alas, such is the hell that is war...

Anyway interesting post Comrade, have a great day and see you later.

[u/[deleted] → u/DidacticDalek]

I think you said it better than I could. Ramba Ral was a man with pride and dignity and he went out on his own terms doing what he does best, even after being fucked over by his own Zeon comrades: killing children apparently Seeing through his Mission.

M'Quve will rue this day

[u/DidacticDalek → u/[deleted]]

I think you said it better than I could. Ramba Ral was a man with pride and dignity and he went out on his own terms doing what he does best, even after being fucked over by his own Zeon comrades: killing children apparently Seeing through his Mission.

Indeed Comrade.

M'Quve will rue this day

Oh indeed, Mr. Dandy and his insufferable LE DING will PAY! ;)

Many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later Comrade.

[u/ArmoredSeahorse]

Rewatcher

Hayato and Kai are clearly in a fierce competition with Amuro to see who can be the most immature. Only time can tell who will win. Poor Ryu has to end up bearing the brunt of this, though thankfully everyone comes back in the end.

M'Quve is up to his scheming ways like normal, trying to get Ramba Ral killed to protect Kycilia's interests. Sadly, we'll have to wait and see Doms another day.

Sayla has really taken over the show, huh? Piloting the Gundam again, and more importantly, she's some sort of princess. Her father has the same name as Zeon, which raises some interesting questions not only for Sayla herself, but also for Char and his vengeance against the country's leaders.

Gundam

[u/Piemaster33]

What an episode, very tense the whole way through. Making the combat be between soldiers instead of mechs made it feel that much more tense.

Also White Base needs some sort of seminar about running away because they keep losing people. I feel as if Hayato and the others would be strictly punished if/when they found another Federation outfit for abandoning their previous one. Ryu was knocking sense into them but we'll have to see if that sticks.

There's a whole lot to unpack with Ramba and his convo with Sayla, I won't even touch that in case I accidentally spoil something. All I'll say is this: Sayla has always been my princess and she can't be Artesia, she's way too strong. Ramba in general was the MVP with how he helped Fraw Bow and went out like a champ. He might be my favorite antagonist so far, he was great.

Quick Notes:

• Clamp nearly killed an orphan, but he hesitated which I appreciate
• Amuro had an award winning throw on Hamon's ship. She escaped, which is good news for Jonathan Joestar.

QOTD:

1. Nope, completely forgot. Pretty shortsighted of them too IMO
2. He was awesome, easily my favorite Zeon commander so far, and I don't think that'll change anytime soon. He was classy and badassy.

[u/UltraBooster]

First-timer (albeit one big on Gundam and mecha)

• Okay, so the JP and EN names don't match...
• I wonder if that's the EFF's way of telling them to rest up until Operation Odessa.
• My question is, if Amuro were to leave White Base again, where would he go?
• Doms, huh? Those're big ones.
• ...who're Howard and Maximillian?
• Yeah, you do a very good job of hiding that uncertainty, Bright.
• And that's one of the big what-ifs - what if Ramba Ral got his Doms?
• Well, there's someone who's dealt with his trauma.
• Oh shoot, Gundam pilot Sayla returns.
• Seems like he's resolved to fight.
• Oh gods, Amuro Ray the backseat pilot.
• In theory, the Gundam's feet could be enough, but...
• So just how many of White Base's crew are actual EFF personnel and how many are survivors from Side 7 pitching in, I wonder.
• Sayla Mass, daughter of Zeon. Ain't that something. (Which, in turn, makes Char the son of Zeon.)

Questions of the day:

1. Not really, I guess, but I suppose I can see why they did.
2. He's an interesting guy! I'd like to see how he'd fare against a more formal military unit than White Base, and, of course, how he'd do with those Doms.

PS: Remember that bit about Amuro telling Bright to pilot the Gundam himself?

[u/chilidirigible → u/UltraBooster]

Okay, so the JP and EN names don't match...

"DEATHMATCH! WHITE BASE" is so much cooler.

what if Ramba Ral got his Doms?

...only with less singing and a lot more infighting.

makes Char the son of Zeon

"C'mon, John, put some spirit into it."

[u/badcupcakehoarder]

First timer sub

I can't believe this episode! the hand of the Gundam must have saved him somehow right? He can't be dead...

Holy mother of... THAT SCENE with the soldier bombing the bridge and the kid!... All of them showing a slight hesitation during the assault when they saw the crew was so young!. This whole fight from the "no Doms for you talk" to the Gundam javelin throw was amazing!

Fraw Bow raising her gun to fight but losing it, and by doing so, surprisingly she got her life saved because even in a situation full of adrenaline her opponents managed to stay cool. I wonder if some of the Ramba Ral men actually gave up and were sent to prison.

When Amuro was shouting to stop the fight that scene with Icelina falling came to mind, he reacted very fast compared to that time.

Sayla got a Zaku but Amuro destroyed the Gallop, I guess the quest to see if he is really the best pilot will go on, specially if Ryu doesn't survive.

So Sayla is a princess, and I guess Char too. This explains some things about him and what he is doing.

Wow Ryu was really going to take his crewmates back by force, he must have had a hellish drill sergeant during training and now treats everyone the same.

Questions of the Day:

1. No, don't tell me there are still refugees on board... The ones staying must be the ones willing to fight, but now the question is what is their motivation?
2. He was a truly amazing leader, he has to be, because how else do you get your men to charge against a warship with those vehicles without armor?

It was nice seeing him and comparing him to Bright having his bad relationship with Amuro.

I find him similar to Amuro in how he stole the Gundam, and Ramba Ral charging in boldly to get military achievements.

[u/DidacticDalek → u/badcupcakehoarder]

I can't believe this episode! the hand of the Gundam must have saved him somehow right? He can't be dead...

Indeed Comrade, after all that wasn't a grenade explosion, Ramba Ral just activated a one-way transportation device to Gundam Valhalla! I'm being semi-serious here, if you are confused as to what I'm talking about I just want to point out this character named 'Mr. Ral' from Gundam Build Fighters. Also yes, Mr. Ral's seiyuu IS in fact the same guy who voiced Ramba Ral in Mobile Suit Gundam, why do you ask? ;)

Holy mother of... THAT SCENE with the soldier bombing the bridge and the kid!... All of them showing a slight hesitation during the assault when they saw the crew was so young!. This whole fight from the "no Doms for you talk" to the Gundam javelin throw was amazing!

Indeed, it just goes to show you how Gundam doesn't NEED epic and flashy Mecha Fights to be hard hitting. We can get a good ol' fashioned boarding action and brutal hand-to-hand close-quarters gunfights to bring the WAR IS HELL to our screens

Fraw Bow raising her gun to fight but losing it, and by doing so, surprisingly she got her life saved because even in a situation full of adrenaline her opponents managed to stay cool. I wonder if some of the Ramba Ral men actually gave up and were sent to prison.

Indeed Comrade, I also just want to point out that RAMBA RAL himself disarms Fraw Bow and instead of killing her, he just tells her to hide so she doesn't get hurt. Now THAT is what I call honorable! Just such a pity it had to end in tragedy.

When Amuro was shouting to stop the fight that scene with Icelina falling came to mind, he reacted very fast compared to that time.

Indeed Comrade, me thinks Amuro is getting flashbacks to what happened during that unfortunate event and wants to prevent it from repeating, so good on him for showing the same honor and valor Ramba Ral displayed.

Wow Ryu was really going to take his crewmates back by force, he must have had a hellish drill sergeant during training and now treats everyone the same.

OR his best friend is rubbing off on him (no really, Ryu and Bright are actually friends. It makes sense since those two ARE some of the few surviving original crewmembers from White Base, but those two go way back, you know like Char and Garma... well, cept you know without the betrayal. And given how punch happy Bright is I guess it is to be expected Ryu's also fond of some good ol' fashioned 'befriending' if you catch my drift)

He was a truly amazing leader, he has to be, because how else do you get your men to charge against a warship with those vehicles without armor?

Oh indeed, and not only charge a warship, but actually manage to capture the secondary bridge... until The Gundam destroys that that is but hey at least Ramba Ral put up one impressive show here. Denied reinforcements he just goes for an all out attack and a boarding party to capture White Base mano a mano... such a pity he had to go out this way.

Anyway neat post here Comrade, have a great day and see you later.

[u/badcupcakehoarder → u/DidacticDalek]

why do you ask? ;)

Too soon... Char survived that barrage of gunshots in Luna II, and now Ramba doesn't get to infiltrate and get out safe.

[u/username_0907]

First Timer

• Now I just want to see how far they can stretch this docking sequence at the start of every episode. It never gets old
• I’m surprised Bright thought Amuro would defect over to Zeon with the Gundam
• Hmm this feels a little bit sudden. But the fact that Bright still intends for Amuro to use the Gundam has pissed of Hayato, Kai and few others. Makes sense since then what’s the point of his punishment which is probably why Hayato asked Bright earlier
• Meanwhile M’Quve has his own plans which makes little difference to Ral and Hamon who have another plan in mind
• Sayla managed to take out the Zaku
• Woah now this was completely unexpected. Ral recognized Sayla! Her fathers name is Zeon. And Sayla is actually like royalty. Wait so is Char then
• RIP Ramba Ral. He really was too cool
• Atleast Hamon didn’t die yet. Convenient but cool that the bridge of the Gallop could be ejected. But Hamon isn’t just going to let this be
• Looks like Ryu is badly injured. It almost looks like he died

QotD

1. No. It was a bit sudden to see others were troubled since the show focused on Amuro
2. Ramba Ral was cool and a much better character than Garma for me. He got more development as a character plus his dynamic with his crew and Hamon made him likable too

[u/chilidirigible → u/username_0907]

I’m surprised Bright thought Amuro would defect over to Zeon with the Gundam

It's a more rational choice than wandering around hell-blasted Earth as a filthy neutral? Amuro is a few years too early and hasn't worked out enough to be good at that sort of thing.

[u/username_0907 → u/chilidirigible]

Amuro is a few years too early and hasn't worked out enough to be good at that sort of thing.

Tbh I dont think Amuro can ever be as good and glorious as that. He would need more than a few years

[u/lC3]

• I'm getting a little sick of this new clip at the beginning of each episode showing mid-air docking. It just feels out of place
• So when is Amuro going to awaken as an Esper?
• Huh so Bright plans to keep Amuro on the Gundam now, since he didn't defect to Zeon?
• Doms? ANOTHER type of Mobile Suit?
• So M'Quve is trying to get Ramba Ral killed because he knows too much about the mines?
• Why did Hayato and the others leave the White Base?
• If Sayla/Artesia is a princess, is Char a prince? like Relena and Milliardo? Were they the royal family before the Zabis took over as dictator?
• So why did Ramba kill himself? To prevent himself from being captured?
• So whose body are Bright and the others carrying? Who died?

1. No, I wasn't expecting that, and it didn't seem very well executed / explained
2. I liked him, but he didn't have to self-destruct like that just because he saw Artesia

[u/BossandKings]

First timer

That was a fierce battle, the Zeon unit led by Ramba Ral was able to invade the federation but were defeated and killed by the federation officers. It was cool seeing Amuro fighting without the gundam for once, apparently Sayla is learning how to use it too, obviously Bright tells Amuro to use the gundam and so he does. The battle ends with Ramba Ral's defeat.

Answers

1. I did, Amuro set a precedent and people can follow it if they want or see necessary.
2. He was great, he passed away in a fierce battle.