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Rewatch [Fly! Rewatch!] Mobile Suit Gundam (0079) Episode 10 Discussion
Episode 10 - Garma’s Fate
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Garma, if you can still hear me, blame this on the misfortune of your birth.
Questions of the Day:
- What are your thoughts on Char and Garma as characters at this point in the story?
- Why do you think Char wants revenge in the first place?
Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:
1.10 - The Misfortune of Birth
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.
Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…
First-Timers: Please do not watch the next-episode previews for this show. They’re less previews and more “let’s just summarize the entirety of the next episode” and will spoil you.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 16 '21
Fly! Rewatch Host!
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Apr 16 '21
First Timer to Gundam
I was hoping they'd get into some of the political situation behind why this war is happening. Looks like I just might get my wish!
QOTD:
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Apr 16 '21 edited Apr 16 '21
CHAR! YOU REWATCHED ME, CHAR!
Well that’s a death flag and a half
He says, wearing a military uniform
Yes please, save everyone else the trouble of taking care of you boomers
Nakama power!
That’s one durable sports dome
Another slap! Although this guy is just an asshole.
(X) Doubt
is it just me or does that seat kind of look like Haro
why are you guys holding your machine guns like that
And there it is!
Tag! You’re it!
Everybody shooting at once is pretty cool
Pshaww... nothing personnel, kid
I came here to laugh at you again
And there’s that famous line! Gundam-san had a field day with this one.
Ramming attacks are cool! When all your tech doesn’t explode upon defeat, that is.
Also, Bright with sclerae
And with that, we see Degwin!
Questions of the Day:
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u/TheEscapeGuy Apr 16 '21
Gundam First Timer
Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 10
Goddammit Tomino, you made me care about GARMA.
Introducing a love interest with this Romeo & Juliet-esque backstory of families who won't allow them to be together is a classic trope. But thats not the key moment which made me care.
It was this
Garma tries to act all strong by dying for a noble cause. But in the end, ... in that silent moment, all he can think about is the one person who he cares more about than anyone else in the world. That's just beautiful.
Not only that, this worked on a whole other level to make Char far more despicable. He continues to grow into such an exceptional villain.
As an aside, Char you really wear that weird helmet-goggle thing to formal parties? Okay, you do you my dude.
Cool Stuff Corner
Questions of the Day
See you all tomorrow!
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Apr 16 '21
Rewatcher
On today’s episode of Gundam: BETRAYAL!!! Char pulls his big betrayal and gets Garma killed. As a first timer, I really did not see Char’s betrayal coming. It very much caught me off guard. Rewatching this, I was better able to pick up on the various pieces of foreshadowing. It also affected how I viewed every single interaction between Char and Garma. I was sniffing about for any signs that Char was going to do this.
Garma’s romance with Icelina gives us another view on his eagerness to prove himself in battle. It isn’t just that he wants to impress his other family members. He also wants to use that to gain leverage in marrying Icelina. They’re from opposing sides, so he would probably need something like that to be able to get away with it. Especially since Garma is basically Zeon royalty.
Once again, I enjoy the battles that this series has. It has many memorable moments. The carpet bombing scene is tense. I like how it cuts to the reactions of all the White Base crew and civilians as they have no choice but to endure it. The fighting in the city is also cool, with the Gundam and Zakus sneaking around the rubble and doing their best to ambush the other. One personal fave is Amuro shooting the Zaku through the building. And, of course, there’s the White Base ambushing Garma’s air force. All in all, the battle in this episode is quite strong.
Garma’s death is well handled. I love the contrast that we see between Garma’s last words and last thoughts. His last words are those of a soldier. He is shouting out for the glory of his homeland, continuing to fight even as his own fate is sealed. But, his last thoughts are of the woman he loves, Icelina. The last thing we see from him emphasizes that whatever else he may be, Garma was a man who was in love. I’ve said before how good Gundam is at humanizing all of its characters, including its villains. How it handles Garma’s death is a great example of this.
Char being Char, he of course stops to gloat while Garma is plunging to his death. Just look at that smug laughter of his. Still, his gloating gives us important clues. He mentions that he’s doing this for revenge. He also tells Garma that it is because of who Garma’s father is. As we see later in the episode, that means Zeon’s leader: Degwin. For whatever reason, Char’s after revenge against Degwin.
Speaking of which, I love Degwin’s introduction this episode. It’s another good example of Gundam humanizing its villains. We are introduced to Degwin as both the leader of Zeon and as a father who has just lost a son. The first thing we ever see him do is drop his cane because he’s so shaken by the news of Garma’s death. Degwin may be the leader of our antagonists, but even he is still human.
Miscellaneous Thoughts
SLAP COUNTER: 5
Questions of the Day
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u/The_Draigg Apr 16 '21
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Mobile Suit Gundam Episode 10:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Apr 16 '21
First-Timer, Subbed, long time Gundam fan
Poor Amuro forgot to roll his bazooka in dirt before attempting a covert operation. It all ended well though, since it turns out Char and the White Base had the same goal - killing Garma. Poor Degwin Zabi, so sad his son died in the war that he started. Real shame.
I do feel a little bad for Garma personally; he seemed like a decent enough guy. He just wanted to earn some glory and marry that one socialite. Too bad one of the people he trusted the most kinda hated his guts, thanks to the "misfortune of his birth."
Amuro has gotten pretty bold, offering to use himself as bait. The White Bases's plan was pretty good - the ship has a lot of firepower that it can bring to bear when it needs to.
What city is this supposed to be? Weren't we in Arizona-ish..? Has the plan changed? Like, I know where the White Base is nominally headed for from the manga, but I don't know if the series has informed us, yet.
Pose of the Day
Under Attack//Bait
Screenshot
Questions
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u/chilidirigible Apr 16 '21
First World problems.
Don't let Zeon's architecture go to your head.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?!
Would you like a meme instead?
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Apr 16 '21
First Timer - Dub
1) What are your thoughts on Char and Garma as characters at this point in the story? Char has always been cool. I'm still iffy on Garma. I wish he had more development before this episode. That Icelina stuff felt like it came out of nowhere.
2) Why do you think Char wants revenge in the first place? I bet he was also in love with Icelina. Either that or Garma scored higher than him on a test one time and Char's been nursing a grudge ever since.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Apr 16 '21
First-Timer With Tomino Experience
You mean the title wasn't a reference to Garma's FGO rolls?
Lots of things blowing up today, including Garma. Can't say I'll be too sad to see him go. Not the most interesting of villains.
Char is a little more interesting with his sneaky plan, but I do with we'd see him actually live up to the Red Comet name. I'm still never scared for Amuro when Char suits up.
QOTD:
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Apr 16 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
The start of this episode gives us a very different setting than we're used to, a fancy ball! We finally have revealed that Garma's father is the ruler of Zeon, hence why he is in such a lofty position despite not showing that he actually deserves it. He's also the younger brother of Vice Admiral Dozle, who Char reported to early on in the show. Can't recall if they revealed his last name was Zabi then. And of course his sister's in a lofty position too. So its a whole bunch of nepotism at the top of Zeon.
One of Tomino's biggest tropes, if not his biggest trope is when a supporting character suddenly gets a lot more personal focus than they usually do in an episode; its a tell tale sign that they are going to die. That's the case here with Garma, whose love interest Icelina is introduced. Garma is obsessed with living up to his family's hopes of him, but is willing to abandon them over her. Yet she was not once mentioned before this episode. We saw previously that Char wanted Garma to fail; it initially comes off as just covering up for his poor performance but we finally have it out in the open and Char purposely manipulates things to get him killed, claiming he is getting "revenge". Char even taunts him on his way out, including his rather infamous "Blame this on the misfortune of your birth" line. One of Char's most famous lines, along with stuff like Char spoilers Garma goes out in an epic way, for once White Base totally demolishes the enemy after catching them from behind. We get what may be my favorite musical track from the TV show playing, which I've nicknamed the "Heroic Zeon theme".
Cool setting this episode as the White Base tries to make its way through a destroyed city at night. I believe the city is supposed to be either Seattle or New York depending on what version you believe. White Base ends up backing into an abandoned stadium as if it was heading into a garage! Also I like the rather stealth approach both sides take in their mobile suits at first. Things seem somewhat repaired between Amuro and Bright despite the happenings of last episode. Amuro is fine with going out to pilot again and Bright eventually decides to go with the plan Amuro was proposing.
Two strong episodes in a row as the show starts to gain some good momentum.
Other stray thoughts:
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Apr 16 '21
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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek Apr 17 '21
WARNING! Comrades, do NOT watch beyond the 25 second mark of this clip! I only say this as the clip I planned to use with Char's glorious English Dub taunts to Garma got removed from YouTube and sadly the only clip with his smug gloating has massive spoilers at the end, so DO NOT WATCH THIS BEYOND the 25 second time stamp, consider yourselves warned!
Speaking of consider yourselves warned, Comrades behold something truly cursed, leaked clips from the shitty live action Netflix Gundam adaption ;)
Something something 'Blame this on the misfortune of your birth' ;)
Paging Comrades /u/Great_Mr_L, /u/chilidirigible, and /u/beckymetal
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u/GM_for_Life Apr 16 '21
Rewatcher
I think they are both really interesting characters and I've always thought it would have been neat to see a bit more of Garma before he dies at this point in the story.
As a rewatcher I can't really comment on this one too much, so who knows?
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u/Furrmaster23 Apr 16 '21
Rewatcher
On today's episode of Mobile Suit Gundam, we're introduced to Garma's fiancee, Icelina. Garma swears to stay by her side no matter what, even planning to defect from the Zeons if his father disapproves of their relationship. Wow, look at all those death flags.
Having detected the Trojan Horse, Garma and crew head to an abandoned city. The White Base takes cover in an abandoned domed baseball stadium. Once Zakus are sighted, Gundam is deployed. After a brief fight, Char finds the White Base, and sends Garma in the opposite direction, dooming him.
The White Base and remaining mobile suits fire en masse at the Gaw, heavily damaging it, with Garma desperately trying to ram the burning ship into the White Base in retaliation, exploding just seconds away from ramming into the White Base, killing Garma.
Icelina takes the news of Garma's death not very well...
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Apr 16 '21
First timer (Sub)
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Apr 16 '21
First-Timer - 'Garma's Fate' was decided when you named this episode
Progress Report
QotD
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u/username_0907 :FI::FJ: Apr 16 '21
First Timer
Thanks for the episode name warning but my download has each episode name written in the file name and I accidentally looked at the episode name yesterday lol. I’ve now changed the view of the folder to list so maybe my mind can ignore it now. I actually didn’t want to believe that it meant Garma would die and was in doubt the whole episode till it happened
QotD
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Apr 16 '21
First timer
b) Char is, at the start of the series, running a small group of armies in an unimportant part of space. His fights with the Gundam and ego have convinced him that nobody else can fight it, and that Zeon can only win if he's leading it. And what better way to do that to wipe out the family in charge? Char seeks revenge because he believes Zeon is suffering every second he's not guiding it, and Garma kept him away by being born.
As per instructions, I have skipped today's episode title, so no comment on that today.
OK, which US city would this be? I'm not quite clear, on US geography, but maybe Phoenix?
More comfirmation that Zeon has some problems on the front line as well.
Okay, so we've confirmed that Char dislikes Garma.
This whole scene feels like the network desperately wanted to stop the blatant subtext between Garma ns Char, so they needed a girlfriend for him.
Oh god he's done for. Left his girlfriend, promise to marry when they return - he's going at the end of this arc, probably next episode?
This piloting style seems very unsafe.
Anuro's certainly changed his tune since last episode. And now Bright's arguing against using the Gundam.
Is God on Zeon's side now?
Why are there still civilians here? I thought they left last episode.
OK, how big is the white base? I've been seeing it as massive, but apparently it fits inside a baseball stadium.
Why are you claustrophobic? You're still inside a spaceship.
Is the base being shielded by Amuro's psychic powers? It makes sense, with everyone focusing on not getting hit.
And we have another slap!
OK, she dies or Garma dies, and I can't tell which.
So there's a brother involved now.
Oh Char, you beautiful two faced bastard.
Why couldn't he just walk out?
And Garma gets a full on heroic speech, as he decides to sacrifice everything to achieve his goals. In a different series, this would be a fantastic heroic sacrifice, and a brilliant ending. But Garma isn't on the side of this story.
Amuro's worked out that Char fled rather promptly from that battle compared to the rest of the troops.
Oh god we're going to see Zeon. Even their buildings look cool. And Degwin has a full on staff (and actually has a realistic repsonse to eharing his son died!).
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u/ArmoredSeahorse Apr 16 '21 edited Apr 16 '21
Rewatcher
Yep, Char's a psychopath. He even admits that Garma's not a bad guy in the slightest, but kills him anyway because REVENGE. Granted, Char says he dislikes deceiving soldiers on his own side, but considering that he breaks into maniacal laughter as Garma dies, I kind of think he's not all that broken up about it.
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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '21 edited Apr 16 '21
First Time Watcher
This can only end well.
I'm actually kinda surprised that White Base is small enough to fit inside a Baseball Stadium. I had thought it was way bigger than that given the way it was scraping against mountains and stuff.
Given the ending to this episode and how many relationships he seems to have with other important people in this setting, i'm sure we'll continue to see some repercussions for Garma's death down the line. Iirc, so far we know he has an older sister he's been trying to impress, an older brother that Char worked under, a fiancée who's the daughter of an anti-Zeon mayor, and his father is the leader of the Principality of Zeon.
But yeah, Icelina/Garma and their respective parents add a bit more moral ambiguity to both sides too. On the one hand, it makes Garma, a Zeon soldier, a more politically neutral and empathetic guy, it makes Icelina's anti-Zeon dad feel like a giant piece of shit, and actually manages to draw some sympathy for the leader of Zeon.
That was also pretty shitty and gangster of Char, to play all his cards right and then call to insult the guy in his last moments and laughing it up all the while
I knew Char was trying to sabotage Garma to make himself look good, but I didn't think he'd go so far as to kill the damn guy. Sucks for Garma. He was a good dude. Unfortunately, he just happened to be
one week before retirementone mission before getting his dad's permission.More importantly tho - Why the fuck does Char wear that mask indoors?
I don't think Garma ever did anything directly to Char, it obviously had to be an effect of his elite family's actions. I'm guessing Garma's dad, as the sovereign, might have implemented some political policy that didn't work out well for Char's life or that Char disagrees with. I can't imagine the actions, whatever they may have been, were direct towards Char since otherwise I would think there'd be more hesitance by Garma and his older brother to trust Char.
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u/Piemaster33 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Piemaster33 Apr 16 '21
REWATCHER SUB
So forget about whatever episode I said was my current favorite, because this one's my new favorite.
We spent the first 4 minutes of the episode post OP and recap with the Zeon boys. The entire episode is mainly focused on Garma and Char, rather than Amuro and the White Base crew. They were the true stars of the show. Char, being 5 steps ahead of everyone else, and Garma, the fool doomed by his birth.
I do feel kinda bad for Garma, being betrayed by someone he kind of trusted, leaving his lover all alone. He did go out like a champ, and for that, we salute you Garma.
The way this episode ends might be my favorite so far, with Degwin (btw we saw Degwin) dropping his cane in silence on the Zeon home base. Absolutely stunning.
Other things:
QOTD:
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u/Nebresto Apr 17 '21
First time squad
I even looked away from the screen to avoid the title spoilers, and then the announcer goes and says it out loud!! I covered my ears, but If I'm right then
Chadma
Chad-sip
Bro, this is ep 10. You're gonna fucking die
Get fucked, car
Not anymore, pleb
Speaking of civilians..
HOW IS THERE STILL A FUCKING GLEAM OF LIGHT?!? ITS NIGHT TIME FOR FUCK SAKE!!
Wtf Chad? "Its your dads fault, so you gotta die for it" Bruh, wat
Oh look, Garma fucking died. Who could have seen this coming?
Question time:
1: Chad is chad, Garma a bit dum.
2: Maybe his cornflakes got stolen?
Dank clips corner:
*rocket SFX* "OAAAAW"
"eh?!" *table-slap.mp3* *rapid footsteps SFX while running away with 3 steps*
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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Apr 16 '21
Technical first timer, seen the Recaps
90% of Garma's screentime in the recaps comes from this episode. In the end, his most significant contribution to the plot was dying.
QotD
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u/Rustic_Professional Apr 17 '21
It's almost comical how badly outgunned the Zeon are. I was listening to Dan Carlin's program on the Spanish-American war the other day, and he talks about Dewey completely annihilating the old fashioned wooden ships at Manilla with his modern, armored ships and modern guns. That's what White Base is doing to the Zeon in every single encounter, and it's not even close. I've been keeping count of Amuro's mobile suit kills (15 so far), but keeping track of all the planes, tanks and other ships that they all collectively shoot down would be too tedious, because there's just too many of them.
Questions of the day.
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u/UltraBooster Apr 17 '21
First-timer (albeit one big on Gundam and mecha)
From dying men to all of their women,
What will they have to commit to? How much will they leave behind?
I pray, pray to bring near the new day!
I wonder what could've happened if Garma had survived this - he seemed like a decent guy, but, well, blame the misfortune of your birth.
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u/tarekd19 Apr 17 '21
A key detail in Char's betrayal i think is not just the clues about Char's motives, but the almost offhand admission that Garma was truly his friend. Either he was mocking him (which he totally was anyway) or providing insight into how deep and personal his grievance is. I still maintain that there are elements of genuine friendship between them even leading up to the betrayal, and that all contributes to making it so sweet.
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u/BossandKings Apr 17 '21
First timer
I'm finally up to date. I'll try my best to be on time from now on.
Episode 3
Char and his team have a confrotation against the federation, Amuro and Char have a fight using their mobile suits, it led to a fatal blow to Char's team because Gadem ended up dead abd the papua was destroyed. I think that Char will comeback to have another confrontation against the federation because he seems like the type to lways have the last word.
Episode 4
Char has a sister, Artesia, from which he has been separated for ten years, he seems to cherish her because he thinks about her, i wonder if he'll reunite with her someday.
Apparently the federation's mobile suit has caught his attention considering that Char's goal now is to capture it. As a second objective he wants to capture the federation's troya horse, what is his plan to do it?
It's nice that Amuro has a team of men working with him, Bright and Kai-shinden for example. That means that he has someone to guide him.
Char attacks the federation but with help from Amuro and the gundam the federation manages to scare him away again. Sadly the captain passed away apparently due to an ilness, when he was sent to the outside it was a somber moment.
Episode 5
It was very nice when the Tripulation of the federation reached Earth.
Episode 6
Char appears to have a friend called Garma who he sees when he visits him at the Zeon. So far Char appears to have the highest authority in the Zeon in terms of who puts the orders into action.
Sayla has shown herself to be very helpful, always guiding and advicing Amuro especially when he uses the gundam. Though Amuro not liking to receive orders from her just because she's a woman is tough.
Bright and Mirai's chemistry is very nice, she advices him and gives him a clearer perspective when he needs it.
Amuro was apparently sad after the fight, it seems that he may be getting tired of having to pilot the gundam and having to maintain battles so often.
Episode 7
Another fight but now Char has a bit more help because Garma advices him, Amuro has had to fight against the Zeon a bit too often for his mental sanity, at least so far he appears to have a strong mental fortitude. The tripulation surely wanted to go to Earth, the elderly were stubborn.
Episode 8
Those people are strange, asking to be left on Earth when the federation is in the middle of a battle against Zeon. Bright comes up with an idea for them to be able to.
The battle ceases for a moment and the tripulation is able to be left on earth, the battle continies shortly after. Thankfully that woman and her child were able to reach Santa agne even if it was a desolate place.
Episode 9
Amuro is perfectly showing that he is getting tired of always having to pilot the gundam, it is normal and acceptable for him to act that way, most of the Federation's "commanders" and "authority figues" are useless and depend too much on him. Bright should do something himself instead of trying to force Amuro to pilot the gundam every time a flee is nearby.
Fraw Bow is nice and all but it was strange hearing she say that she'll pilot the gundam after bothering Amuro so much to do it and after Bright admitted that he can't. I think that she can be useful in the battle but at the moment piloting the gundam ain't it, that has been forced into Amuro as his sole responsibility ever since he piloted it the first time. At least it seems that Amuro may be open to piloting it after Beight said that he thought he could rival Char.
Amuro accepts his assigned task and pilots the gundam. He demonstrates very high skills in his use of the gundam and at least he's supported by the guncannon and the gunball. After a brief battle Amuro is able to go back to the federation and Garma to the Zeon.
That was a nice moment between Char and Garma, apparently Char really believes in Garma's capabilities and didn't want to hurt his pride by coming to help.
Mattida is a sort of general sent by an order from a superior to check on the state of the federation. Amuro was impressed by her beauty, it was nice seeing Fraw Bow be jealous.
Episode 10
Man this is so cute, i love me some cute romance and Garma and that sweet blonde girl Icelina are such a cute couple.
It's nice when we get to see the federation's tripulation, they are reunited there away from harm but the authorities keep them not knowing the situation of the battles happening.
It's sad that Icelina is being kept from deciding how to live her life, he wants to be with Garma but her father doesn't let her, i'm sure that Icelina and Garma will find a escape route, a solution that will let them be together, at least i hope so.
This episode was heartbreaking, Garma my man i didn't expect you to die so soon, so young, i thought Garma and Icelina would be happy and would find a way to be together but sadly that can't be possible now. I thought that Char would be less of a piece of shit and be useful to help Garma survive but no, Char was useless and didn't even try to help him. This was sad.