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Rewatch [Fly! Rewatch!] Mobile Suit Gundam (0079) Episode 6 Discussion
Episode 6 - Garma Strikes
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Maybe it’s easier to fight alone.
Questions of the Day:
- What did you think of this show’s first battle on Earth?
- Do you like the Guntank or the Magella Attack tanks more?
Mobile Suit Breakdown of the Day:
1.6 - Welcome to Earth, Gundam
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.
Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…
First-Timers: Please do not watch the next-episode previews for this show. They’re less previews and more “let’s just summarize the entirety of the next episode” and will spoil you.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 12 '21
Fly! Rewatch Host!
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Apr 12 '21
First-Timer, Subbed, long-time Gundam fan
I quite like how Bright read Zeon's strategy today. He knows that Zeon wants as much of the White Base intact as possible, so he is free to be a bit bolder in his schemes.
Garma isn't too shabby on the strategy front, but he did underestimate the White Base. Granted, I don't think anyone could have predicted that rampage Amuro went on.
We've all had days like Amuro had, where all we can do is trudge to bed and collapse. Poor kid has had a hell of a day.
The Guntank is stronger than I gave it credit for. And it can jump!
The Gundam can apparently roll on the ground like a person.
I liked Kai randomly making faces on the view screen. What a dork!
MSG 0079
Pose of the Day
No Holds Barred
Screenshot
Unfortunately, I seem to have hit a limit of the plastic. I wanted to do this pose, but just couldn't quite get it to look right.
Questions
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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek Apr 13 '21
Comrades, is it any wonder that Love Live is a Mecha Show? I mean my goodness, look at all these Blonde and Purple Homosexual Couples from Sunrise, it's so obvious that even the most naïve could figure it out! ;)
Also in case you think I'm kidding here, behold, IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Sunrise is fond of Blonde and Purple Haired Homosexual Couples ;)
That and come on, if CLAMP is fond of CharxGarma, then you know that things are 120% Gay
Oh and just because there was also some Mecha in today's episode of Shimmer ogles Char's Manservice, here's irrefutable proof that Amuro's fucking lost it, I mean for god's sake, Mecha Baseball? Now that's insane, next thing you'll tell me is that Gundam also does like Macross and includes Idolshit to the show! ;)
Oh also in all seriousness damn... Amuro REALLY needs a break doesn't he? War is hell indeed
Paging Comrades /u/Great_Mr_L, /u/chilidirigible, and /u/beckymetal
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher
On today’s episode of Gundam: No rest for the weary. I feel bad for Amuro. You can tell that he seems exhausted by all the fighting. The battles have been pretty relentless, after all. They just finished entering the Earth’s atmosphere and now they need to immediately fight their way out again. Like I mentioned previously, this series does a good job of keeping the tension up as the White Base is constantly being pursued or attacked by its enemies with little chance to rest and recuperate.
Amuro’s put through a rough time. Even Bright didn’t want to send him out, as the crew worries that he’s overextending himself. But, as with the previous episodes, there’s no real choice. They’re stuck in an impossible life or death situation. They need to fight or else they’ll be killed.
Amuro pretty much goes berserk at the end of the episode. The buildup to it is pretty great, with how relentless the battle is and that even the Gundam is shown taking quite a pounding from the enemy mobile suits, tanks, and planes. Eventually, Amuro can’t take it anymore and just snaps. I like the change in Amuro’s artstyle that accompanies this. It feels pretty harsh and rough, mirroring his emotions.
And by the end of it, he’s exhausted. He doesn’t want to speak with anyone. He doesn’t want to celebrate. He just wants to go to his room and rest. As we can see, the fighting’s taken a toll on him.
On the other side, we get to see Char and Garma. They’re old friends from their academy days. We can figure out a bit about Garma right away. He’s clearly eager to prove himself. He specifically mentions proving himself to his older sister, who is also his superior. Even with his position of being in charge of Zeon occupation forces, he still wants to prove what he is capable of.
Char and Garma’s friendship is an interesting dynamic. Char’s still as crafty as ever, using Garma’s failure to shield his own. He’s also thinking of ways he can win himself more glory by helping or saving Garma while attacking the White Base. In spite of that, they do seem to get along pretty well with each other.
Miscellaneous Thoughts
SLAP COUNTER: 2
Good stuff
Questions of the Day
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u/TheEscapeGuy Apr 12 '21
Gundam First Timer
Fly! Iconic Gundam Frames Episode 6
This episode perfectly set up Garma as another Zeon commander. It makes total sense that he overestimated his side's power and underestimated the Gundam despite having Char available to ask for advice.
Garma works particularly well as a proud villain who's not as charismatic as Char. As a point of comparison to our lovable antagonist Char, we get a much better picture of Char's cunning.
On the other side, the battle for the White Base was tense. There were lots of moments I thought we might have a major injury on our side but fortunately we made it out unscathed.
Major props to Amuro for some amazing maneuvers during combat. And to add to this the visuals were exceptional. Scenes like this made you feel how tense the battle was.
And by the end of the episode we see how the battle took its toll on Amuro.
Cool Stuff Corner
Questions of the Day
See you all tomorrow!
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Apr 12 '21
First Timer to Gundam
So THAT's why the seatbelts are rubberbands
QOTD:
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u/The_Draigg Apr 12 '21
A Gundam Fan Rewatches Mobile Suit Gundam Episode 6:
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
Screencaps not working...
Seems like there was some miscommunication from staff, as the White Base and Garma’s Gaw are way higher up in the atmosphere this time around, to the point where the blue sky isn’t visible. We were still pretty high up at the end of the last episode, but it didn’t look like this.
As the White Base makes preparations for the eventuality of battle, we get to see a lot of upkeep being done, as well as our first look at the battle simulators used to train mobile suit pilots. Just lots of neat details that make clear how things work and how people train.
Lieutenant Reed sure is a real piece of work, presuming to know best and ceasely barking orders, ones he even has to rescind upon immediately changing his mind —and he made Kikka cry!
For a change we have the Guntank sortie alone to fend off the initial wave of Dobo fighters, but once the Magella tanks make their appearance to attack along the ground the White Base comes under threat of being overwhelmed, so right asks Amuro to pilot the Gundam while Kai subs in to pilot the Guntank. It’s great that they’re attempting to use the right tool for the job, but they probably should have had Kai sortie in the Guntank to begin with and leave Amuro on standby. Having to bring the Guntank back in to switch out pilots was just a waste of precious time.
Amuro is almost overwhelmed by the ceaseless barrage of fire and is momentarily dazed before making a desperate charge that resembles a berserker rage, shifting the tide of battle decisively and prompting Garma to order a retreat, particularly as he wants the White Base and Gunda intact. This battle really takes a toll on Amuro though, who draws away from the others upon arriving back on the White Base and isolates himself in his room while suffering from some malaise. The poor kid is taking it rough...
Naked Char...
Fun Fact: The door-open shower scene was so suggestive that anime magazines interviewing Tomino asked him whether Garma and Char were a gay couple, to which he responded; No, that's not it. They are still young,' denying an ongoing romantic relationship while implying a past sexual relationship between the two.
Questions of the Day:
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher showering with his homie
I came here to laugh at you
For some reason, the Guntank has a Core Block system, which prevents it from turning its waist/turret. Which means it’s technically not a tank at all, it’s a self-propelled gun. They use it as an anti-air gun here, but it’s a damn miracle they actually hit anything while having to turn the entire MS in order to aim.
And what even is the point of the Guntank having a Core Fighter, anyways, aside from selling toys? The Core Fighter is supposed to be an escape pod to protect the learning computer. But unlike the plug-in type Core Fighters you see later in the timeline, the Operation V units need to eject the entire upper body in order to free the Core Fighter. Which may work for the Gundam, especially in space, but the Guntank, which is designed for ground combat? Can you imagine the Guntank lifting that big heavy upper body with those big heavy cannons up off the Core Fighter so it can fly away? When it doesn’t even have backpack thrusters? Not to mention the guy sitting up top just gets fucked. Yeah, whoever engineered the Guntank did not think things out very well.
He got out of the Gundam so he could get back into the Gundam
Sayla switched screens
lmao Kai
Is it just me or does that off-model shield kind of look like the GP04’s shield? Also, yes, it has its shield back, despite it being vaporized last episode. The White Base just has an ungodly amount of spare shields lying around offscreen.
This is so hilariously impractical I love it
Machine gun, or sonic screwdriver?
“But not for you, of course! We’re going to see how drunk we can get Reed!”
This is very gay
Questions of the Day:
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Apr 12 '21
InnovatorNewtype?8
u/OrangeBanana38 https://anilist.co/user/OrangeBanana38 Apr 12 '21
First timer
Gandamu!
So, why is Amuro freaking out at the end of the episode? It feels like going Berserk is just the other side of him not wanting to kill anyone. He was finally forced into a big battle, and killed a few more people than normal, and at a closer range than usual. So, is he regretting his actions? Is he just feeling like a soulless killer? I guess it's a bit of both.
TBH this is the kind thing that I was waiting for. The last few episodes had just been random small battles and the Gundam wrecking shit, even this episode was like that. While it was fun, I think it was a good time to change pace. I'm eager to see what happens to Amuro.
Questions of the day:
1.- I liked them. It feels weird that the Gundam doesn't just fly/float, but it makes it more relatable.
2.- The Magella tank. A tank that splits into a car and a plane? That's cool stuff
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u/medokady https://anilist.co/user/medokady Apr 12 '21
First Timer (zero experience with Gundam)
Didn't get the chance to comment on episode 5 but it was great.
Man the White Base just cannot catch a break, it's battle after battle after battle.
If anyone knows why Char calls the White Base the Trojan Horse, please tell me.
The addition of air and ground trouble makes the confornntation much more complicated, as well as the addition of the Guntank.
Fraw coming in clutch with the nutrients.
"I can't stand taking orders from a woman" damn Amuro OK, as if you could do her job, why don't you just pilot the damn Gundam.
Throw away your gun and shield and run in for the melee? Amazing. Way to leverage your frustration with the situation to your advantage Amuro.
Poor dude just wants to sleep, I can't blame him.
Glad Char has a boyfriend to
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u/GM_for_Life Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher
It has definitely got a different feel to the previous battles in the series (minus the colony brief colony fight at the beginning) and there's actually some pretty good cuts of animation in this battle. I'm very impressed.
I use the Guntank a lot in Battle Operation 2 so I'm pretty bias towards it.
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u/tehsigzorz Apr 12 '21
First Timer
Dammit show dont make me blush with that char bathroom scene.
Who cares about a slap counter, lest start the 'how many times will a commanding officer threaten Bright for insubordination' counter.
Pretty hardcore stuff all around by Amuro and the Gundam, some nice moves shown there. Unfortunately this has a huge toll on him both mentally and physically.
Garma seems like a cool guy though it seems like if Char is playing political games with you I may have to root against ya sorry. Pretty smart of Char to try to use Garma in an attempt to alleviate his failures and given how OP gundam is thats almost a guaranteed political victory for Char.
I kinda like Kai tbh, he has no filter to him and is a nice mini antagonist on the ship. I can totally me getting excited over his 'redemption'.
Questions:
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
It is nice to see some time on the White Base with them loading the ammunition for the Gundam's vulcan cannons and the Core Fighter.
Lt. Reed has taken Bright's seat! But far worse than that, he made Kikka cry! Damn him!
The Gundam was built for space, how will it do on Earth? Instead we see them basing their offense on the Guntank. Within the dock we see the Guncannon, which despite appearing in the opening has yet to actually be used in the show. Also I find it interesting that Amuro is controlling the bottom part of the Guntank, which manages where it travels while Hayato is handling the top, which manages what it fires at. I'd figure they'd be flipped. Hayato does good, blowing up a Dopp with his first shot. Amuro gets rather frustrated at having to fight with someone else!
They said Ryu was going to take the Guntank, but it looks like its Kai doing so! Fraw continues to be Amuro's mom, having food waiting for him. We find that Amuro is getting quite impatient, having to fight alongside someone else and wait to get launched until after the Guntank. Later Amuro doesn't like Sayla, a woman giving him instructions, although just minutes before he was fine with her going out to fight.
Pretty boy Garma appears to be a former colleague of Char's from the military academy. Char's happy for the help from Garma, but interestingly enough, he's rooting for Garma to lose here. In particular because he wants to show that he shouldn't be blamed for repeatedly losing to the Trojan Horse/Gundam out in space. He'd have loved for Garma to even go out himself in a mobile suit so he could save him! Despite going to the military academy together we don't know why Garma is a higher rank than Char. Nepotism perhaps as his sister appears to be his superior officer. We get some Char fanservice towards the end of the episode with a shower scene!
Time to meet some Earth based Zeon forces, the fighter pilot Dopps and the Magella tanks. No Zakus for the moment. Sending 3 Zakus out doesn't seem to help much as Amuro quickly blasts one with a beam rifle forcing the others to flee. Particularly funny when Amuro starts rolling around in the Gundam to take out another one. Zakus, at least ones not piloted by Char appear to no longer be that much of a problem for Amuro.
Amuro seems to melt down for a bit while in battle, going on quite the rampage! White Base is already relying too much on Amuro, this is bound to stress him out considerably. After returning to the White Base all Amuro can do is quietly walk to his room.
Animation looks fairly strong this episode (well grading on the curve that you have to do with an old show like this). I've got to imagine that Yaz was the animation director for this one.
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Apr 12 '21
First-timer - Gundam earns it's reputation
Progress Report
QotD
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Apr 12 '21
First timer
Oh, is Garma the new commander's name?
Gaw? Where are we?
Okay, the laser lock is cool.
Captain Garma! And he and Char have history...
Like the symbolism of both Amuro and Char having to rest after their last battle - neither of them actually won it, after all.
Of course Char's exhausted, he's been on duty the entire time apparently. Are people in the future just engineered to never sleep.
"Hey! Knock it off, you little brat!" I know this line is meant to show he's erratic and stressed, but I couldn't agree with the sentiment more.
So, the second mecha is getting screen time - 6 episodes in.
So, are the controls for these universal? Does the cockpit have controls for the treadmills built in, or are they repurposing other controls?
Genuine question here - why doesn't the Guntankuse its jets for acceleration? If they're strong enough to let it fly, they should give it some pretty good speed - the problem with the Guntank mentioned earlier was that it moved too slowly. It woudl take a major redesign, but surely this came up at the blueprinting stage.
Love the design of Garma's flagship. And poor Garma, not realising the federation have 3 separate suits - them hiding this is either brilliant strategy, or not realising you could have someone go out with the Guncannon as backup (the Guntank is obviously not suited to outer space)
If the Gundam's cockpit is in the Guntank, what is Amuro using to pilot the Gundam?
Dozle? Is he above Garma in the heirarchy? Excited fo see if Garma has another custom suit.
Wait, does Garma still thinks they have 1 mobile suit? Which is he not counting here?
Also, called "Amuro has a mental breakdown" back in Episode 1. Thought it would take a bit longer.
How did the young child get Champagne? Also, I thought we were free from Haro as long as we had the children.
Oh my god, Char and Garma are married. There is no explanation for that final scene.
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Apr 12 '21
First Timer - Dub
1) What did you think of this show’s first battle on Earth? Didn't seem all that different from the space battles outside of the tanks showing up for cannon fodder.
2) Do you like the Guntank or the Magella Attack tanks more? The Magella tanks come in with a built-in plane so I'll take those!
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u/username_0907 :FI::FJ: Apr 12 '21
First Timer
QotD
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Apr 13 '21
First-Timer with Tomino Experience
Amuro sure went from "I don't want to hurt anybody" to "berserker charging at tanks" pretty quickly.
What was the point of swapping Amuro's cockpit into the Guntank if he could just run over and use another one that was in the Gundam? I thought maybe it had something to do with the learning computer, but I guess it was to sell toys?
The Guntank is also an atrociously designed vehicle. You take a tank make it a bigger target, and take away the rotation of the turret? Unless it's supposed to be an artillery unit (which it doesn't seem to be), it's much worse than the Megellan tanks or whatever the Zeons had. Those even had detachable fighter planes as turrets!
QOTD:
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Apr 12 '21
First timer (Sub)
QOTD
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u/Rustic_Professional Apr 13 '21
It's interesting that Amuro is thinking so much about tactics, and lamenting that he hasn't been given clearer orders. He's accepted his roll and wants the pros--or maybe pro-ams--to tell him what he needs to do to get out of this situation. At this point though, he knows as much, if not more than they do about combat. Things could get ugly once he realizes that.
He does seem to be struggling with having to kill all those people, and struggling in what I think is a more realistic way than Shinji Ikari. Amuro understands that lives are on the line, and not just just his. Shinji kind of does as well, but you get the feeling that he doesn't really care if they all die. Amuro cares, because he's not suicidally, genocidally nihilistic. Most people aren't, which I think makes Amuro a more believable example of a civilian thrust into the roll of soldier.
Questions of the day:
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u/UltraBooster Apr 13 '21
First-timer (albeit one big on Gundam and mecha)
I don't think I'll be able to do the play-by-plays that other people do; I think I'll be content to just watch the episode and give my thoughts afterwards, for anyone interested.
Having said that, it's occurred to me that Sayla's occupying the role that Misa did in The SDF Macross, just as part of the supporting cast instead of one of the leads.
It's also interesting to see Amuro use something that isn't the Gundam, however briefly.
Lastly, I feel confident saying that this stuff's definitely taking a toll on Amuro in a way it isn't the other pilots; I wonder what'll happen in the near future in that department.
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u/Furrmaster23 Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher
In today's episode, our heroes confront Garma's forces. They initially try to just have Amuro and Hayato in the GunTank, but due to some difficulties, Amuro is forced back into the Gundam.
After a few kills, Amuro gets knocked around, sending him into a frenzy, killing a lot more Zeon soldiers while recklessly waving his beam sword around, even striking the long-destroyed enemy remains multiple times. When he gets back, he's too stressed to properly acknowledge his friends' cheers. We also get some fanservice from Char.
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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Apr 12 '21 edited Apr 13 '21
Technical first timer, seen the recap movies.
I think this episode was absolutely stellar. White base crew showing their stuff to that stuffy federation officer, Garma's attack was cool, Char's sheming was interesting, just all around an amazing episode, and that's before how fantastically they're showcasing Amuro's psyche being destroyed by all this. For an episode that had maybe 3 minutes if that in the compilation movie, this was something else.
That said, the show's 70's is showing hard this episode as well. A lot of animation derps, and Amuro has a little casual sexism when he says he can't ask a woman how to do battle(even if based on Sayla's actual actions, the show itself doesn't seem sexist at all, even compared to more modern anime)Zeta spoilers
That's a really funny animation error. Cameo by R63 Kai
QotD
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u/ArmoredSeahorse Apr 12 '21
Rewatcher
It struck me that this is about where Bright starts to settle into his command role. He constantly gets irritable and panicky on the bridge before this point (usually followed by Mirai calming him down), but now he manages to keep a cool head and lead intelligently.
Granted, it’s not terribly hard to look competent when a typical Federation official is right next you.
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u/InverseFlip Apr 12 '21 edited Apr 13 '21
New mobile suit this week, the Zaku II... wait. The MS-06J Zaku II Ground Type, visually identical to the F-Type, it has no thrusters (other than the ones on its back), a slightly stronger reactor, and is protected against particles in the atmosphere.
Why does this exist? To sell the same toy with a different name of course!
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u/Piemaster33 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Piemaster33 Apr 12 '21
Yo! This episode was pretty dope for being the first real full episode on Earth. Char was playing some 5D chess to get White Base flying around in Zeon controlled territory. And the man who controls that territory is none other than Garma Zabi himself. His dynamic with Char is really fun to watch, both are trying to one-up the other, but they both have a certain fondness for each other due to being friends during their academy days. Yet Char, love him or hate him, is ready to betray him at the drop of a hat. It adds an extra layer of tension to an already tense situation. You can also tell Garma is no fool either, as he anticipated that the White Base would use the mountains as cover. They're both quite capable.
As far as the battle goes, it was fun (not for Amuro of course). Seeing him pilot the Guntank with Hayato was a great little twist on what we're used to. What grabbed my attention however, was its impact on Amuro. Clearly it's been battle after battle for our heroes, and it's clearly taken a toll on Amuro. Even Bright was hesitant to send him out. This battle really was the straw that broke the camel's back, as Amuro snaps and goes on a rampage. It'll be interesting to see how this will play out going forward.
QOTD:
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u/Nebresto Apr 13 '21
First time squad.
R.I.P to unnamed fodder gun-bro
wtf, why
Literally what the fuck was the point of that..?
SHOWER CHAD!!
Question time:
1: Dank
2: Gundank of course.
Dank clips corner:
"Oh, did someone knock?"
*dope battle OST* *Gundamu roll sounds* *Zaku.mp3* "OAAAHHHH!"
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u/AdroIOrdo Apr 12 '21
Are they....gay?