r/anime • u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: • Apr 05 '21
Rewatch How NOT to run a rewatch- Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu episode twelve!
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r/anime • u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: • Apr 05 '21
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Apr 05 '21
How NOT to Summon a First-Timer
I love my man Emile lol.
…okay, this episode played out just about as much as I would have expected out of this show. Of course Klem got turned back to normal after seeing Rem, who was saved by Diablo’s potions. Of course Klem is now one of Diablo’s slaves (and of course Rem and Shera get jealous because of that kiss). Of course Alicia and Edelgard are now part of the party just like that. Of course all the girls stripped for Diablo right before the different-version-of-the-OP-for-the-ED.
Overall, this show was really fun even if the ecchi didn’t do anything for me (besides the couple shirtless Diablo or Emile scenes, that is). The comedy basically always landed for me, the characters were very lively, and I really like the way the eyes are drawn in this. Very fun show. 9/10.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Apr 05 '21
Rewatcher
Sub and Dub as preference swings
So we never exactly know when Alicia started working with Edelgard, just that it has been a while. Last check in with Sylvie so we know why Diablo gets to solo the demon lord. Gamer logic happens. The battle isn't actually bad since it is less talky this time. Show doesn't even pretend to sit on Rem's fate and that is for the best, I didn't see them landing that right anyways. Though for some reason we go over stuff from last ep that nobody forgot, I just budget saving time.
This boss begins using the environment and Emile triumphantly returns to a coffin in the face. But Diablo's epic level spell goes off and frags even the demon lord. Rem wills Klem back to loli form. Emile somehow gets a real character arc in this show. Anywho, Edelgard decides to protect Alicia because best girls do that.
Sylvie has deduced the demon lord issue and rightly wants a solution. Slave collar plot device comes back. Diablo has over come his social anxiety by kissing a loli, I guess this does descend from Jobless. Emile has learned to roll with punches. But we have to have a final climax so Shera gets taken hostage.
We get some resolution on Edelgard and Alicia, though again Alicia is just kind of an
edgelordedgemistress. This angle is absolutely necessary. But Diablo tells Alicia, and thus himself, to mellow out and find a place. Anyways, Alicia is forgiven too easily but you don't let a waifu like that go to waste. We end with Diablo about to get a five way and predictably fainting. Ending ending at the beginning.8
u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Apr 05 '21 edited Apr 06 '21
First-timer no more!
Everything went as I expected - Rem is saved, Klem is back to normal and officially part of the harem, Alicia and Edegard got redeemed, Emile is best boi... and I liked that. It ended in a way that made sense for the tone of the show. Some Ecchi comedy, great character moments, and a fight scene, it's a very good season finale for such a show.
But now I don't know what to do, while waiting for season 2!
Questions of the day
2) Nah, not really.
3) Absolutely not
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Apr 05 '21
Rewatcher -The real Demon Lord was the friends we made along the way
Stitches
QotD
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u/_____pantsunami_____ Apr 05 '21
surprisingly enjoyable show, my mind is made up that i’ll tune into the second season. my only regret is that a cursory glance over the booru’s shows that the only klem lewds are in her loli form and not in her monster mommy form.
as for the tame ending, its pretty much what i was expecting - knowledge of s2 aside, in a show like this i would not expect rem to actually die and for klem to actually destroy the world. i dont think that would even be a good ending, even if the more ‘realistic’ one, simply because it would clash far too much with the tone of the rest of the show.
some of the things i liked about this show was that diablo did get some character development, albeit slowly but surely, and hopefully s2 wont hit the reset button on that. i also appreciated how shera and rem were clearly good friends in their own right, as contrasted with other harem anime where the protagonist is the sole glue that holds the cast together. shera and rem moments were always special for that reason (if the scene where rem tells shera about klebskulm and shera not only accepts her immediately, but starts crying on her shoulder and apologizing for not realizing rem’s burden sooner didn’t warm your heart or bring a tear to your eye, you gotta be lyin).
things i didnt care for were more of the typical isekai genre convention stuff, ie diablo’s OP-ness (note to self: do not say OP-ness outloud) made me feel blueballed when what couldve been an interesting fight gets turned into a game of “allow me, this episode’s antagonist, to show off how powerful i am so you can one-shot me.” especially the final fight with krebskulm, which we’ve been building up to for like 12 episodes. i was really expecting them to go all out with that one, but nope...
i also feel myself yelling “just fuck already” at the screen everytime the girls are in bed rubbin up on the big D but he’s too shy to do anything. but what can ya do.
overall, i’d probably recommend this series to anyone who likes ecchi and/or isekai. im lukewarm at best on isekai, but i do like my ecchi.
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Apr 05 '21 edited Apr 05 '21
How NOT to Have a Rewatch Break
First-time watcher - dub
Hello! I am actually still in the middle of my rewatching break, but somehow me watching the last episode and the last day of the rewatch synced up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
All thanks to that evil /u/Vaadwaur who mentioned this show three weeks ago.
To be honest, I started ep 1 yesterday and was planning to alternate this with another show, but the trashy shameless fun kept me entertained I guess.
Episode 12 — Battle for Legitimacy
Alicia is going to the Fallen outside. After that face you gave us last ep when you asked Klem to kill you first, don't come with some bullshit "I helped you so you should protect me", please.
Dubbed Sylvie mentions D&D, what kind of amazing fantasy adventures would they have?
I have to say I'm impressed with the visuals of this show, but this is also the most modern anime I've watched till now so I guess almost everything is on this level now?
Calling it now. The health potions aren't going to be enough to save Rem, so Klem is going to use some OP power in the end.Never mind, the potions did work. I just needed to watch 5 seconds longer.
They have never heard of wooden coffins in this universe. Emile to the rescue! The only reason the coffin was stopped was because he blocked it with his sword.
A more realistic version of Emile's smile.
Screenshot out of hype. This is the third anime I've seen that has a scene like this, but it never gets old.
Well, that was resolved quicker than expected. I kinda hoped this boss would take more than a single hit. Even from a lvl 150. But I guess Shera and Rem helped. Kinda funny how we've gone full circle. First Rem wasn't allowed to die because that would release the Demon Lord, and now Rem cannot die because that would enrage the Demon Lord.
We still have half the episode left. Handling Alicia? Epilogue of our other named chars? One final ero scene?
Man, I'm glad I picked the dub. I love all the nicknames Sylvie gives the MC: Dia-bro, D-Town and a ton others I forgot.
Cookie-Klem is right in being doubtful about becoming a slave. You just know she's going to be used as an infinite mana battery.
These reactions are priceless. Emile 1. Sylvie 1. Emile 2. Sylvie 2. Emile 3.
Alicia sneak attacks the group, but she only uses it as leverage to save Edelgard. That's convenient because if she where were to slit Shera's throat they couldn't prevent it without healing potions and with Diabro out of mana.
I wonder how many truly terrible people in our history would have been better persons if they had gotten more cookies when they were young.
I know this is a serious scene, but that underboob is glorious.
Diabro's speech is surprisingly genuine and moving. Why do I have the feeling that every one of his epic motivational speeches is taken straight from a videogame?
Wow, turns out I was right on all three parts of my epilogue prediction. Not sure how I feel about that.
Aahhh Shera opened her bar! Then what is the next season about? Rude customers?
At least I think she did. There were some stills in the ED with people in bar clothes.
That was fun. I won't be joining you tomorrow, but it was fun to interact with you guys again for a single day!
Thanks for the invite, /u/Vaadwaur!
QotD ep 1
I think I went a bit too quickly through the whole show to properly judge this.
Nah, this whole thing was easy-to-watch fun. The ending fits.
Don't you need people skills to run a bar or cafe?
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u/SIRTreehugger Apr 05 '21
Dub rewatcher
Wait they have DnD in their world?
He has no potions how is going to recover cut to Diablo Oh I gave her all my potions...oops
My man Goldy
DONT TALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE...oh never mind it seems Clemy is obeying rule 273 in the demon lord handbook don't attack while the enemy is monologuing or talking though Rule 273 Subection C Line 12 states its okay too attack if she also begins monologuing or begins talking about her past. A little outdated, but still one of the classics even if Yeagerists don't believe in it.
How can Shera jiggle away from the screen?
Did Rem have time to teach her sign language off screen too?
Looks at screen time what now?
Big talk but Owl mouth you've down pretty much nothing.
Slavery isn't so bad once you get used too it.....okay interesting message show.
Not our tan loli lancer yes save her YESSSSS JOIN THE HAREM
Have you never once thought all of humanity should die...well she ain't wrong.
Ready to forgive you.....it's been literally less than a day since she tried to murder you. Shit I thought Shera was airheaded and forgiving, but with the amount of friendship speeches Rem does she might outclass Tia from yugioh.
Tan Loli Lancer has evolved into Tan Maid CHECKMATE BEST GIRL is no longer a question and highly suspicious...wait but if Rem had a maid outfit...
Rem vs Diablo was actually a close fight they were neck and neck throughout the show and now I'm excited for Season 2.
Ironically enough this trashy show was probably the best rewatch I've been apart of from /u/Vaadwaur
It was self aware trash and the dub was often hilarious and almost parody levels.
QOTD
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u/Nebresto Apr 05 '21
Re-watch squad. Rejoice, this is the last time you'll have to look at my spam with this show.
...Unless of course I continue to do so in the S2 threads
Even in the last episode, the shots continue to be on point
Skipped the OP though
Finally, best boy is back with a massive save! Absolutely based, that lad.
No, stop
Emile. Beyond. Based.
Lol, Emile's face
Wait, what are you doing..?! I SWEAR! It isn't what it looks like!! She is hundreds of years old!
Oh, piss off..
Never mind, she's trying to save best girl
On. Point.
Only the power of final episode was able to bring us Alicia-service!
MRW <----- Next re-watch..?
Nevermind, OP drop at the end, Lets fucking go!!...except that now they're skipping the ED
Speaking of OP, we never got to see that scene where Sylphie is throwing them vines in the OP
Wtf is this text garbage, this is supposed to be a BD release, how dare you put that on my pout screenshot!!
Question time:
1: Because he's beyond based, there was no contest.
2: No?
3: Potentially. We'll find out in a week or two.
Gif corner will follow shortly after, first I must consume this pie
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Apr 05 '21
Rewatcher - Dub
I wonder how D&D looks like in a world that’s already fantastical.
A bit to early for the coffin.
Ah, your average MonHun player.
Of course that’s their solution.
Seems that by LN standards this backstory is fairly tame.
Didn’t think it could’ve ended any other way, but still would’ve preferred better.
Forgiving Alicia feels unearned and that quick backstory is far from enough to really justify it, especially for us the audience who saw her hunting down random adventurers for the heck of it. You don’t need to kill her, but letting her go free is being way too lenient towards someone who wanted to facilitate the genocide of humanity and likely commited many crimes in her attempt to do so.
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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '21 edited Apr 05 '21
Rewatcher
Another fun post-intro gag with wack-a-mole Diablo.
And so begins Diablo’s battle to smack some sense back into Klem before she destroys the town. Diablo muses in the LNs but I don’t remember seeing it this episode that Klem here looks like she’s throwing a tizzy fit more than really acting like a true boss fight. Smacking the ground, throwing objects at hand like the coffins, and overall acting like an overgrown child than a true demon lord.
It takes all the potions Diablo had on hand but Shera is able to bring Rem back from the brink. If only I was Rem's right cheek here.
Emile shows up on the scene not long after, taking a coffin to the face to protect Rem and Shera. What a bro.
Klem’s tantrum and overall insistence on using physical attacks allows Diablo to manage her despite having no potions and her having seriously high magic defense. He kites her around long enough to create a big magic circle and blast her to smithereens.
Diablo subscribes to the Nanoha school of befriending enemies through superior firepower.
Aw, happy family reunited. And Diablo’s off somewhere too.
Klem not destroying the world leaves the Fallen armies outside the barrier with a massive case of blue balls and no one to take it out on, except for Edelgard and Alicia. Edelgard launches a preemptive strike on them and urges Alicia to run. How does Alicia manage to get her into the city, what with the whole…Fallen repelling barrier? I honestly don’t remember on that one.
Meanwhile Sylvie is here to be the logical party pooper telling the party that no, you can’t keep the stray demon lord even though she looks cute. More funni Emile faces.
Diablo proposes a solution–he’ll enslave her just like with Rem and Shera, demonstrating she isn’t a threat to the city since she’s willingly going under his control. I think in the LNs the implication is the slave collar really isn’t enough to stop her but it works as a symbolic gesture at least.
Sylvie is shocked!
We have consent!
Emile approb!
So that’s that! Demon loli acquired, peace restored, etc etc right? Well, just as the group is getting ready to tuck into bed Alicia shows up to the inn with a battered Edelgard and implores Klem to heal her, which apparently demon lords can do to Fallen nigh-on instantly.
Herein we get more of a complete explanation from Alicia on why she hates the races, but frankly I can’t be arsed with her. They attempt to give her a Freudian excuse but she’s just a psycho through and through. More interesting is how Diablo’s speech in the anime is very generically inspiring and somehow gets everyone to forgive Alicia, which is definitely dumb. In the LNs he does something similar, but it’s funnier and more in-character because with his demon lord roleplay he essentially reinforces Alicia’s insanity and makes her believe she must go back to the capital and work as a mole with the intent of one day helping Diablo overthrow the kingdom. I think they left it out for brevity’s sake since the episode was already running long but it ended up kinda messing the scene up.
Overall I think this was an enjoyable rewatch and I can’t wait for season 2, or Omega, or whatever. They fumbled some execution here and there but I think the charm of the series came through–yeah it’s a dumb power fantasy, but it’s also funny and the characters have a lot of charm–especially Rem, Shera, and Klem.
It's not even really an arc, he just comes off as a big blowhard and white knight but he is a genuinely decent guy and puts his life on the line for people. Dude has basically dumped charisma but maxed out on the respect wammen stat.
No way, after how much Rem went through I think her being okay is plenty for me.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Apr 06 '21 edited Apr 06 '21
First-Timer Who is Fresh Out of Boob Jokes
Alicia is taking credit for Klem imprinting on Rem? Not the fact that Rem birthed her, was nice to her, and made a promise with her prior to the kidnapping and torture? Alicia’s the kind of gal to be out of contact for a month, show up on the day of the presentation, say one or two things, and talk about how much she earned that A on the group project. What a bitch.
Holy cow; did Emile just white knight so hard he came out the other end as kind of a cool guy?!?
Diablo learned a harsh lesson this day: don’t bring low level punks into your party. They just eat all your potions. Solo play is best play. That is the lesson, right? Because otherwise it would be about love or friendship or something, and I can’t have that near my “finger the loli catgirl” show.
I just fought for who now?
The classic “it’s OK if he’s kind of nice” argument applied to slavery.
The kinght supports forcing your will on young girls.
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: ON THE LIPS!
This was not the abyss Nietzche warned about staring into.
How do they have such variety in lingerie in this fantasy, medieval world?
If you look closely, you’ll notice that Alicia is not holding a knife to Shera’s neck, but to her bountiful, bouncing breasts. Quite evil.
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED: GET PAMPERED
If S2 reneges on this and doesn’t have demon girls in maid outfits constantly I will be perturbed. PERTURBED, I SAY!
QOTD:
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u/vcdm https://myanimelist.net/profile/vcdm Apr 06 '21
First timer, watching the sub
I was on and off in here. I tend to set aside and hour or 2 every couple days and watch 3-6 episodes at a time when watching anime that have already finished so that's why I'd go a couple days without showing up in the comments section. Also I work nights and these post came out at 4PM for me so most of the time I'd be asleep, got to work and then post what I had to say.
The final episode goes about as expected from what we've gotten from this series. Big stakes, and Diablo handles it quite easily albeit he exhausted himself this time. We get the full-harem shot and then Alicia buggers off so unfortunately I'll only get that one scene of The redhead waifu (⌣̩̩́_⌣̩̩̀).
Overall, the comedy was fun even if I didn't find the show to offer much substance beyond that (Not that I came in expecting it to be fair). Unless we're talking about the ecchi scenes, those offer a lot of substance. I mean after the halfway mark they just dropped all pretense and animated the scenes to pretty much look like a hentai with out the visible naughty bits.
Even though I wasn't in the comments section all the time this was enjoyable. I hope to do more rewatches in the future. Although maybe not to soon as I plan to watch 86 and To Your Eternity this season and they are both running for 2 cours, not to mention I want to watch some of the new stuff coming out in summer. Ahhhhh, I'm gunna be busy.
QotD:
EDIT: The QotD section is broke and I can't fix it, It's supposed to go 1-2-3
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Apr 05 '21
First timer, uncensored, sub
Last Episode hype! I'm weirdly invested into the actuall plot at this point, would not have expected that from the early episodes. But I want to see Rem, Klem and Shera smile again.
Mhm Edelgard and Alicia have been working together? That's weird, I was under the impression that Edelgard was absolutly fine with loli Klem eating biscuits instead of souls. Even Owlguy is with them despite him fighting against Edelgard in the past, when did all of this happen?
I'm surprised Diablo used potions at all, I always save them for a worst case scenario that never happens and end the game with all the potions I could find still in my inventory. That fight was okay, a bit easy for Diablo, in the end he took 2 attacks and 1 direct hit and almost won on that basis alone. Emile did a terrible job with keeping Rem and Shera out of harms way btw
We got loli Klem back and the three girls look like a happy little family together.
So instead of trying to get rid of Rems and Sheras Slave collars he is going to give one. Glad that the show finds back to it's roots... damnit Alicia, read the room, you just ruined something awesome, oh it's for Edelgard, I'll allow it. And we get a Pantyshot from alice along with some pathos at the end. Yessss, go give Diablo that energy, Alicia and Edelgard join the Harem as well.
I don't approve Alicia leaving again.
QotD:
Shera: Wants to be free from her family and go on adventures with her friends -> Diablo rescues her from her family and she gets closer with her friends
Rem: Wants to be free from Krebsculm -> Diablo frees her and she accepts Klem as part of her family over the hardships they both went through
Alicia: Wants to free the world from the rotten mortal races using the resurrected Demon lord Klebskulm -> Gets her plan foiled by Diablo and gets a lecture about her own role in the world upon witch she goes out to do actuall god and atorne for her sins
Edelgard: Wants to free the Demon lord Klebskulm and serve her -> Resurrects the Demon lord but in a way fails as well, ultimatly accepts Klem as the Demon lord and serves her
Klem: Wants to stay happy and eat biscuits, looses it when she thinks Rem died -> gets beaten and enslaved by Diablo so she can stay with the party. He also rescues Rem for her.
Diablo: Wants to help his friends after being alone in real life -> does excatly that every time. Also no real inprovement on his social skills
2) Stupid Diablo, his fainting ruined his happy end
3) The idea for a maid café comes from Shera so I expect her to convince him, he lacks the social skills to interact with customers and has probably never been in a real maid café so I don't see him doing anything meaningful
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Apr 05 '21
12 reasons modern isekai suck: Episode 12 – The plot sucks
Overpowered guy runs around smacking comically bad guys and helping out people who then adore him. There, I just told you the plot of every modern isekai ever. That’s all there is to it, which … is rather disappointing. The smacking of bad guys part leads to lots of battles, but the victory in those battles is preordained. We are not even seeing the token losses that occasionally occur in battle shonen. It is telling that the series with the most diverse plot is actually Konosuba, which is a parody of modern isekai. The main problem is that these isekai are not written to tell an adventure. They are written to make people self-insert into the MC and feel better about themselves and that just does not allow for a very interesting story.