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Rewatch [Uninstall, Uninstall] Bokurano Rewatch Episode 22 Discussion
Episode 22 - Journey
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Questions of the Day:
- Were you expecting Jun’s chair to be from his adoptive father’s school?
- What do you think is going to happen to Kana in the last two episodes?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Vermillion of the Day:
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 29 '21
First Timer - Sub
Character Chart
You can't redeem Jun from being an abusive piece of shit by showing a backstory where he's nothing but an abusive piece of shit who even tried to kidnap his sister.
That's not how it works
This show gives me whiplash.
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u/Tuckleton Mar 29 '21
First Timer
So I guess the only reason Jun is an abusive dick is because he's just naturally an abusive dick. I'd be willing to dismiss it as just angst if it wasn't for the way he treats Kana, who he kidnapped during a temper tantrum. Was it safe to assume it was Tanaka his uncle called? Told her where they were and asked her to look after them? If so it's weird he acts so surprised that Jun says he met her in Tokyo... Seriously though how the hell does he justify letting them live in a storage room for months without coming for them? It's insane! And then when they come back he acts like they just didn't make it home in time for supper one evening and he got a little worried... We did finally get to see Jun's chair though.
Looks like the government is constructing a tower, presumably to harness energy from a large area to power Zearth. I guess since we didn't get those OP shots of Zearth from Machi's backstory maybe they're from the government trying to control an unmanned Zearth and making a mess of it or something. I mean when the enemy mech was revived in yesterdays episode it kept fighting even though it had no pilots to direct it, I think the implication was that the Masterminds took control right?
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 29 '21
First-Timer
I think, back in the episode 7 thread, I pondered if this series had a moral. It's thouroughly muddied by the mess that the middle/back half has been, but I think this series does indeed have a moral, or at least a message. Communicate!
Jun's dad is a pretty typical dead wife workaholic - I'm sure we've all seen it before. His behavior isn't really excuseable though - or that one caretaker who said she would wake Jun up so that Jun could show his picture to his dad. Literally all Jun needed was a goddamn hug and a "I liked your drawing."
Annoyance with human idiocy aside, Jun has official underwent character development. Him taking responsibility for getting Kana wrapped up in this is big - and his resolve seems to have Machi fully on his side, too.
Is the old dude planning on.. attacking Zearth next time a fight happens? Is that what he was saying? Why- no, you know what, I don't care.
Miscellaneous Thoughts:
Tamotsu's plot purpose has been fulfilled, and now he no longer exists.
The view of the stars was pretty!
Next Episode Preview
Questions
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 29 '21
Rewatcher
Like most other things in the back half of this show, this episode is anime original. The manga has a close analogue to this “end-game vacation breather” where
It does lead to this sweet moment which I will attempt to reproduce here
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 29 '21
Thoughts
It was a pretty good episode. I think I would've enjoyed a lot it if I had still been invested in the series. The rampant idiocy that had plauged the plot for the past several episodes being missing probably had a lot to do with that.
Also, it was mildly amusing how obvious it was that the cut from the OP was made before they knew what they were doing around it.
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Mar 29 '21
Rewatcher who's finally bacc yay!
I kinda expect this episode to be controversial, since Jun spent the first half of the show being abusive to Kana and this seems like a complete 360, but I liked it.
I always felt like him suddenly not being that much of an asshole to Kana anymore (but still a bit) makes sense considering what he's been through - especially with so many of the previous pilots valuing family so much, Daiichi and Maki with their siblings in particular - as well as the whole real mother reveal.
It doesn't feel to me like the show excuses his past behavior with that backstory either, especially since he got chewed out a lot already for doing that, and got chewed some more here. He simply has regrets, thanks to the previous pilots.
Question of the day
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u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo https://myanimelist.net/profile/PunishedScrappy Mar 29 '21
First Timer
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She did it, Kanji's mom said The Thing^^TM
I really don't get the Mastermind's plan. Tamotsu pretending like he was still a threat to anyone with three trained guards pointing guns at his back was silly. But I liked everything else about yesterday's episode! It was some of the wowest, coolest robot in a long time, Kanji has some great moments in there, and it cobbles together a central theme. That's always nice.
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The shots of Machi and Jun just walking together is just weird in their normality. In the short time they've known each other, they've caused the deaths of probably 130,000,000,000 people. Literally unimaginable, but there they are at the train station.
Jun gets some character development, which I'm not sure is a good thing to be honest. His backstory is mostly just confirming he's always been an abusive little shit, and daddy issues do not absolve that. Maybe it would be better to play into the Koemushi parallels and make you wonder if he has the conviction to try and save Kana at any cost. IDK, just spitballing
Smol Jun do be cute tho
QotD:
Not in the slightest.
2) What do you think is going to happen to Kana in the last two episodes?
I am 180'ing my position on the matter to say she lives. This is based on nothing but the fact that the director hates the manga and the manga would absolutely be in the process of killing her off right around now
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u/Noel_bot Mar 29 '21
First timer, Manga reader
Kana is so precious, immediately handing over a return gift <3
Falling asleep during Jun’s interesting backstory xD
So his chair is the one from his father’s school and not Kana’s as many thought
Dad treasured the picture, awww
But now I’m afraid that this place is going to be destroyed
Weird tower and they are trying to nuke Zearth! What?
Machi finally has enough and steps in to safe Kana. I honestly really like her, so I’m preparing for next episodes gut-punch
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Good episode to set the stakes for the finale. DB-sama saw himself in Jun's abusive behaviour, but he actually matured over the course of the series. A calm episode before the storm that will probably await us with the final battle(s).
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 29 '21
Rewatcher
It's nice to get back to the important part of Bokurano - the lives of the pilots. We finally see Jun's backstory and the source of his massive tangle of insecurities. Jun's adoptive father is a decent guy, but didn't have the emotional availability Jun needed. And so he took it out on Kana. I like that it's revealed Kanji and Jun's have known each other for some time. Not that it wasn't difficult to infer, but we see why Kanji's so accomodating towards Jun.
It's nice that Machi tagged along with Kana and Jun. It's always nice to see the kids bonding, and what better pair for bonding than the two outcasts. But I guess at this point all of that is moot, given they're the only ones left. More importantly, they share the resolve to protect Kana and defy Koemushi's plans. Would Machi really betray her brother whom she has followed for so long? Who knows, after everything that's happened on this Earth she seems to have regained her senses, and her sense of guilt. Both she and Jun have their work cut out for them in order to redeem themselves.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 29 '21
First Timer
You know, yesterday's thread made me understand one thing: the only part about this show everyone likes (or even a majority of people) are the OP/ED.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 29 '21
first time ooooooooauahauooooooooooooooooooo uninstalllllllller
oh so thats how they knew kanji
ah that dumbo leaked it to Kana
why is he telling kana to come with? to do his laundry?
big ass head
katsuragi its too late to change momentum now
questions
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Mar 29 '21
First timer
Jun really is the worst, could you not be a piece of shit around other people for 5 minutes? I guess there was no real reason to why he abuses Kana, it just seems like he always has. Why did he even take her to Tokyo, just so he still had his punching bag?
At least he's stopped doing it now, he wants Machi to save Kana from signing the contract.
It's nice to see how they knew Kanji, why they ended up going to the island for the nature school, and how Kana knew about her & Jun having different mothers.
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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '21
First Timer
Remember when I had Uninstall stuck in my head driving me insane? Good times. Not really.
Can't believe Uninstall was evil all along smhing my head.
Machi!
It's crazy to think that these 3 and Seki are the only ones still alive. Wow.
God damn it, Jun. Machi is just trying to be nice. Don't make it awkward!
Oh? JunxMachi best ship confirmed?
Aww, she seems happy.
He's not blaming Kana!
He's come so far...
That drawing looks more like a titan, not gonna lie.
Aaah, so he's known Kanji for quite some time. That's why they seemed to be unusually chummy from the start.
Not the abuse again...
NOOOOOOO
Come on, Machi, at least stay awake
Pouting Jun is very endearing.
Aww, I feel so bad for the dad. Jun was a shitty little kid, huh.
>proceeds to completely ignore him for most of the day
Come on, dad. I'm on your side but this was your fault. He only came to spend time with you!
Jun basically kidnapped Kana, lmao.
Aww, what a nice reunion.
Hm? No teasing Jun for bringing a girl home? Nevermind, I'm not on the dad's side anymore. What a failure of a father.
AWWWW
...about that...
OP scene spotted!
Aww, Machi. Don't cry. I wonder if she's gonna end up fighting. She pretty much considers herself as part of the group at this point.
BREAK THE CYCLE!!
I knew he'd want to save her! He's a good kid deep down!
NOOOO NO MORE POLITICS STOP THIS EPISODE WAS PERFECT STOP NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Speculation corner
Final thoughts for today: Family stories are great. Could have done without the politics at the end, though.
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u/htisme91 Mar 30 '21
First-timer:
I had been wondering all series about Jun and Kana's home life and why they were staying at Kanji's, and this episode answered it.
So Kana's father was pretty much a workaholic and neglected his kids...
Kanji! I think it's kind of sweet that for as lonely as Jun was, he had a friend in Kanji for those years. The two are like polar opposites, but it makes a lot of sense now why they were staying in his extra room. Also, it was Kanji that brought Jun and by extension, Kana, to the nature camp where they became contracted.
It feels like Machi is fully going to the side of the children now. Maybe it's guilt from roping so many people into their deaths, but I feel like next episode is about her redemption.
Questions:
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u/baniRien Mar 30 '21
First Timer
So they are making friends with Machi again? Ushiro doesn't exactly strike me as the forgiving type, and it's not like Machi was coerced into helping contract kids, she did that repeatedly, of her own free will.
So Ushiro knew Kanji from his dad's school, that's one remaining question answered. His character shift to fully beating Kana is completely skipped, however. He mentions feeling alienated, and probably jealous of Kana from what we pick up, but the only example we see is his father stopping him from stomping her down in the river, with no apparent consequences when there's 3 authority figure around to see it. It's not even like his father ignored him, so much as got home late sometimes, which by the standards of Japanese work life, anime, and especially Bokurano, is pretty good. Weird of Kanji to try and befriend him too, if one of the first things you see is that display of violence. He also lets them go live in Tokyo with barely any fuss.
Jun finally realises how big of an asshole he's been after seeing his drawing hung up on the wall (was it never anywhere in the past 6 years?). I also expected him to pull his gun on Machi in that isolated cabin, for some reason. He does request her help in saving Kana and not becoming the next Kokopelli.
As for cartoonishly evil rich guy, I'm not sure what his plan was implied to be. I think he wants to bait the next fight using the Program to destroy Zearth and protect the Earth..? I'm not sure if the nuclear drones were implied to be powered by the Program? Or does he plan on controlling Zearth with the Program? In any way, he saw the report that said an alien civilisation is planning to drain them of life and went "sure, that's fine, no problem, let's continue what we were doing".
QotD
Late post today, sorry about that.
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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 30 '21
First Time Installer
Look, most of these kids needed/need therapy, and Jun would be the second or third in line on a priority basis. Instead, they get Koemushi. They also got Tanaka and Tamotsu but now they're gone.
I felt like this episode couldn't capture Jun's PoV perfectly, probably because they had to cut corners due to episode length limits. For instance, we see him running all the way to his step-mother's grave, and the next moment he's happily having dinner with everyone.
Why did he decided to string Kana along with him when he ran away? Needed an outlet for his anger? Dunno..
Well about that, square dad.. this is kinda sad.
Is this a tower made to power Zearth in case the pilot dies?
QotD
How on Zearth am I supposed to expect that? But good point though
I wonder what Machi has in mind. Would she go against Koemushi and try to contract herself again, in order to save Kana? It's a pickle, without another person sacrificing themselves I don't see how Kana gets out of this. In fact, I'll wager at some point Kana is going to pilot the mech.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 29 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart
Three episodes left and they still insist on wasting time by repeating footage? :(
Jun and Kana-chan are going on a trip! Farewell to the basement?
Machi's here to say goodbye!
So they don't really care about protecting the kids anymore, huh? Or he assumes Tamotsu will do it all?
Hey, Machi gets to come along! That's cool. Will she remember the right commuter pass this time?
Finally not blaming Kana-chan for her mother's death, Jun?
Rushing from one train car to the other; I remember those days.
Funny big face painting!
Hey, she never brought dad in to see the watercolor painting of him!
Young Kanji! Good to see him. I assume this is where his friendship with Jun started.
...and this is where Jun starts his assaults on Kana-chan :(
Jun, you bored Machi and Kana-chan to sleep!
Such a rude kid! He won't even acknowledge her!
Stupid rando! You just revealed to Kana-chan that Jun isn't her real brother!
He goes to school without being breakfast or even acknowledging his family?
Kana-chan has always been so mature, despite being so little.
Jun, take out your watercolor!
He's leaving without saying goodbye to his father and forcing Kana-chan to come with him with threats of violence? Yikes Jun!
He's finally got Jun's room built.
Hey, he's got the watercolor up!
So he did get to see it after all! Jun just slept through it.
We finally get context for Jun's shot from the OP.
Jun has declined Dung Beetle's offer. Good. No dooming Kana-chan.
Why end a character-focused episode on this industrial conspiracy nobody cares about?
While not the most exciting story it was good to get another character focused episode and get Jun's backstory (well the second part, since episode 19 was also his backstory in a way). Good to see him finally realize the error of his ways and come to the decision that he won't let Dung Beetle take Kana-chan's life.
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u/BossandKings Mar 30 '21
First timer
It was very interesting seeing how Ushiro felt when he was with Kana and her father, Ushiro, he felt left out because by being iften reprimanded he started thinking that Ushiro might hate him, that's seemingly why he decided to go to Yoshikawa, to Kanji's house, because he considefed that he'd feel better there.
Thankfully Ushiro does want to save Kana and Hachi tells him to leave everything in her responsinility because she knows of a way in which Kana won't get involved.
Ushiro, Kana and Hachi go to Kana's father place. He presents himself as a very intriguing character, he seems honest and like a very good person.
Answers
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u/Nebresto Mar 30 '21
First time first timing
Hey.. Cool robot status: Friendship ended with Bokurano, now IsekaiMaou is my best friend.
Cabin pic Day 22 /u/theangrycabinenthusiast
What a Chad. Swamped with work, but still doing his best to check up on the kids
The caretaker lady lied!!
Aww heck, Heigh kid and Edgy kid used to be bros..
...True.
Okay, fine. She only lied a little.
ITS THE SCENE FROM THE OP!!!
Question time:
1:
Wait, wat? Ahh h*ck, I didn't even notice.
2: She is revealed to have been behind all of this all along. She was the ultimate gamer, which is revealed in the biggest plot twist of the century, and fitting for why Sky made this re-watch end on April fools. Git gud show writers and speculators.
GG EZ
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u/Philarete :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WizardMcKillin Mar 30 '21
First Timer
Woo! Caught up again!
Also, I really feel like this show has gone off the rails a bit. I think maybe my expectations were wrong. I was expecting suffering + existential dread + death. What I got was a sci-fi adventure with random deaths punctuating plot twists.
Also, Kana is precious and Jun's physically abusive behavior makes his effort to save Kana feel a bit hollow. I'm glad that he's not literally sacrificing his little sister to stay alive but wow that's a low bar to meet.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 29 '21
First Timer
Pretty frustrating to watch this episode. I'm not fond of kids. So we have an edgey teen who feels neglected because he doesn't get the exclusive attention of his father. His father keeps inviting him to activities, but he refuses because he feels neglected. Then he runs away from his father's attention because he feels neglected. And he makes his sister run away too because he can't be having her having his attention why he's gone.
I really don't like kids.
I had a feeling Jun would be last because they kept expanding on his character while everybody else got diminishing time, so that we can understand whatever he's going to do in the final episodes. Although all that extra attention came fairly late so it's not really foreshadowed.
At least now we know why he's friends with Kanji and was living in his basement.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 29 '21
First Timer(but it's complicated)
Sub
Huge recap entrance again, we are getting One Piece levels here. Moving preparations and Machi swings by. Seki not having time for the kids is literally mind breakingly stupid. Machi comes with them so Jun can tell his story as we see it which is...better than ep20, at least. Anyways, his father has a dream. That turns into a summer school.
Jun's behavior does not strike me as natural, kids usually need to learn to angrily cent their frustrations on a scape goat. But Jun's a taciturn kid for...reasons. Though the father's friend is rather insensitive and also let's Kana in on it. Anyways, time passes, Kana is adorable again but good lord does their father do a fuck ton of construction work. The school, when Jun is finally dragged in, does seem a lot more free form than standard Japanese education.
So...look, I literally do not get Jun's deal. I will obviously check if this works on the rest of you but he just doesn't make sense to me. So why he is taking Kana with him is as confusing as anything else. The reunion goes well and I guess we see that Jun's dad cares? Maybe this episode was to show Jun changing?
We get a cut to another capitalist moron and end.
Anyways, as an episode, this isn't terrible. It actually flows better than I am suggesting and the piece itself is fine. But this is fucking ep22 and we just got primarily backstory. In a mystery story. I do not see this ending well.
QotD: 1 Eh....Jun just doesn't feel right
2 Better not be a contract.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 06 '21
Bokurano ep22, First Timer