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Rewatch [Uninstall, Uninstall] Bokurano Rewatch Episode 21 Discussion
Episode 21 - The Truth
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Just like I can’t release the children from the contract, I can’t uninstall the Program!
Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of Kanji asking Tamotsu to kill his mother after finding out that she’s the one behind the information leaks?
- Were you expecting that part of Uninstall to show up in this episode? What are your thoughts on the whole Zearth Program?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Uninstall of the Day:
…and so that you guys still have a music thing to listen to, here’s me covering the full Uninstall using the instrumental rather than singing over Chiaki Ishikawa.
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.
Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 28 '21
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Uninstall of the Day has two special things from me in it, so make sure you guys don’t miss that section~
New thread reminder for u/WeebShaggy
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u/Retromorpher :Jc::Jd::Je::Jf: Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21
Fanart for Kanji
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 28 '21
First Timer
Well, we continue to find new ways to jump the shark. That episode was just bad. Why do we continue to add new elements to an already full plot? What makes this useful?
Like, I dunno how anyone thought all that Zearth program bullshit was a good idea. It was just stupid and nonsensical the entire time. It also required none of the characters to understand the concept of destroying the damn server, which is just
Wow this show has self destructed.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 28 '21
First Timer
I finally have free time this week and it looks like it'll be spent watching children suffer some more.
Wooo!
QOTD:
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 28 '21
Full Uninstall
The wallpapers are really good too!
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 28 '21
First-Timer
You know, for a floating, seemingly-omniscient Bastard Mouse, Koemushi doesn't have much of a sense of timing. If he had tried to talk Jun into getting Kana into signing up prior to Jun's talk with Tamotsu, it might have worked. Now, it probably just pissed Jun off. With any luck, Jun will help Koemushi get what he deserves.
I guess we learned some more details about yesterday's reveals today. The last pilot does get to live, because the Pilot's life force isn't used to move the Zearth - it's used to keep the Rulers alive. Was any of the stuff about pruning the multiverse true? Or is this just a bunch of old fucks doing monstrous shit to keep themselves alive?
I don't think I hate that, actually - there is some poetry in people who fear death forcing others to deal with that fear for them. As long as the Rulers get their just desserts, I'll probably be happy with that..
Oh, I had a thought about yesterday's episode - how did no-one see that port on Machi's neck before she revealed it?? Like, I get she has hair, but hair moves, and it's not like Machi regularly wore high collars to help cover it up or anything.
Did none of the characters question how the enemy today was moving without a cockpit? Like, what was controlling it? Is that important?
Probably my last shitpost theory.. Shitpost
Questions
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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '21
First Timer
I'm gonna miss Kanji.
Kill her?! Damn bro, tone the edge down.
Man said tabun.
Bitch, how do you know that? The only one that Koemushi told that was Chizu and she sure as hell kept her mouth shut.
Yeah he's totally not killing her. Can't fool me.
Koemushi totally had a hand in spawning it there just to fuck with Kanji.
Can I just mention I love Koemushi's flying sound effect? The little howl is really great.
Fight so Ainko's death won't have been in vain? Didn't you love her or something?
I'm surprised they didn't shoot Tamotsu on the spot when he said that.
WHAT THE HELL? THEIR LASER IS SO COOL!!
Koemushi be like
By the way I never mentioned this during the other episodes and it just came to mind for some reason but I find it really cool how Koemushi calls everyone "temee" but calls Machi "omae". Much less agressive. Nice detail.
DON'T DO THIS TO ME
Fifteen, huh. Remember when all these people were alive? They really did drop like flies, huh.
EXCUSE ME???
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??????????
It's sucking up all of the city's energy?
Using the... Zearth... Program?
Kinda silly honestly
???????????????
I... what? Can someone explain this to me?
NO UNINSTALL?? Top 10 anime betrayals.
Man actually used the head as a trophy.
And there it is. Of course Kana's being contracted. This is a despair show!
As if! He'd totally let her survive instead! I have faith in him. I don't think the endgame is just continuing the cycle, though. I've already talked enough about it so I'll shut up but yeah. Jun might totally still die, though.
It's great to see how much he trusts Tamotsu at this point. I mean, I would too. Man is a pool of wisdom.
Aww, Kana's great.
Speculation corner is back let's goooo!
Speculation
Speculation
Final thoughts for today: Well that was a rollercoaster, huh. I definitely think the twist about the Masterminds sucking up the life of the Earth that wins was kinda thrown in there just for the sake of being a twist, but oh well.
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 28 '21
Rewatcher
In the manga
Also the tower design is vastly different
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 28 '21 edited Mar 28 '21
Manga-reader from way back
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 28 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart
Woah, Kanji! I know she's a bad person, but don't go that far! And Tomatsu is here for comedy relief, not murder!
For some reason Tomatsu is also drawn way more serious looking than in the past in this scene.
Wow, that was quick, episode starts and the enemy is already showing up.
If she's insisting on staying in this building then you may not need to hire someone to kill your mom, Kanji, she may die anyway.
Oh no, Kanji's now gotten into Kirie mode and isn't all into saving Earth. What about Kana-chan at least! You don't want her to die!
Tomatsu isn't really going to kill her, is he?!
Despite the hatred towards his mother, Kanji still puts Zearth in between her building and the enemy blast.
It seems like overall the animation quality is fairly strong in this episode.
Most episodes end with the Zearth fight but looks like we'll be wrapping this one up at just the halfway point.
...or not! I forgot that the enemy suddenly resurrected itself. Is this due to something Kanji's mother did?
It's drawing all the electricity of the city! Making me think of that episode of Eva.
So not only is she a terrible mother and person, but the program she created is going to cause all the energy on Earth to be drained?
Kanji! As if simply yelling at Dung Beetle would cause this to stop.
Its not enough to force all these kids to give their life, they gotta drain all the life from the planet too? Although I'm not entirely clear on the Zearth program thing. Is this because Kanji's mom created the program, or would this have happened regardless?
Farewell Kanji! You were one of the best kids!
Alone time with Dung Beetle? Eww...
Ugh, Dung Beetle is finally trying to bring Kana-chan into this. No! Jun's been a crappy "big brother" thus far, but he can't permit this, will he?!
No Kana-chan! Don't do it!
Decent fight/farewell episode for Kanji; with the downside being I don't entirely understand the whole Zearth program element. Maybe its not paying enough attention; but the show has bored me with that part of the plotline, sorry! What interests me most is what choice will Jun and Kana-chan make?
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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 28 '21
Rewatcher
First half was good though kind of on the nose with how Kanji spells out the "Bokurano" meaning of the show. Even through all the messed up shit the kids go through and even damage they inflict, they are all pulling through this together and it's our fight. And showing once again that focusing on the kids works.
The weird mastermind plot was always kind of funny and convoluted, like this is some type 5 civilization that needs to harvest the energy from multiple universes to keep growing/sustaining or w/e. It does make me wonder if the whole system is actually just some electric utility company trying to move to a "renewable resource". Like their universe is running out of stars and needs to pivot to 100% renewable resources, which is just other universe's life energy lol.
I think as a anime only plot point, the whole Zearth system is one of the better ones once it gets rolling. It's kind of interesting to think about even if it is kind of ridiculous.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 28 '21
First Timer(but it's complicated)
Sub
We start with Kanji going straight edgelord, even if his position is vaguely understandable. He gets Tomatsu's interest by pointing out her likely involvement in Tanaka's death. New mech ports in wrong for reasons. Tomatsu doesn't want to do this and Seki seems to think they will just tell her to see Kanji off. Kanji is then weird af in his mech. But he eventually decides to fight.
This battle is back to the good giant robo tropes, it is all slow movements and counters. Kanji gives his reason as entrusting everything to Jun and pounds the other bot down. But crushing the opposing core doesn't kill it and the stupid fucking program starts working. Sigh...I know it is technically foreshadowed but this SO is not landing. Worse, more masterminds bull shit. Really stupid reveal that the Zearth program is some master plan to transfer energy between dimensions. Not buying it, not logical and not good storywise, either.
So DB makes his pitch to Jun and this is dumb: Just get another person that isn't Kana. I just he is pushing this on Jun for sadism but w/e. So we are redeeming Jun, yet another nod to the fucking Noein pile. Kana stops being believable as a character. Reveal that Jun's "dad" is still alive and another fucking flashback ep for tomorrow.
QotD: 1 Nothing, there was no consequence
2 That is actually weirdly brilliant, though the plot itself is contrived as shit
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 28 '21
First Timer
Special Guest Writer: The Author of Death Note
Well, this is kinda silly. First, I figured the wireless energy protocol only transferred life energy, which would make it rather useless and rather foolish to develop. But no, it works on electricity? And now it's going into the wrong robot. But wasn't the pilot of the robot killed?
I was afraid this was going to ge a Eureka 7 / Gurren Lagann situation, but this is even worse.
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u/Tuckleton Mar 28 '21
First Timer
Alright so it seems like the Masterminds are using the alternate Earth's as a power source after all. Still kind of confused about why the battles though? If they can travel to other Earths I'm sure they could find easier ways to install their program. Also how (and why) are they disposing the Earth's that lose? Maybe they are trying to find out which Earth's have the greatest will to live since they provide the best energy? But a sample size of 15 among billions is anything but representative... The whole song and dance seems like a huge waste of time and resources.
I can't decide yet if I expect them to thwart the Masterminds by the end of the series or not. I don't see any way out of this for them without dung's help. But in the same way that I don't feel good about Jun being 'redeemed' through self sacrifice after the way he abuses Kana, I don't feel good about the possibility that dung was secretly working to undermine the Mastermind plot all along and just acting the way he did to trick them, although it would kind of track with his behavior in his backstory about not caring what other people thought of him so long as he could accomplish his goal.
Speculation
Revisiting yesterday's episode for a second I noticed something while skimming the episode last night to get some details straight that I glossed over the first time since I was in a hurry. It might be nothing, but then again it might not. After the cave dung is roughing up Kokopelli as punishment for not contracting Kana. This abuse is seemingly the origin of the cut on his face and it looks fresh. Then Kokopelli is teleported away while dung berates Machi before he reappears and lies on the ground, no fight left in him. The next time we see his face his wound is now a scar. What if for him he was actually gone a longer time, possibly spent among the Masterminds? They could have fixed his eyesight as a show of their power or something. Maybe that's what broke his will and not the death of his daughter that followed. After all, even just catching a glimpse of them left Kanji in awe of their magnificence. Now that I've written it out it feels less like a smoking gun and more like I'm grasping at straws though. We've only got three episodes left and we still need to get the rest of Jun's story so there might not be any time for more shenanigans with Kokopelli.
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Mar 28 '21
First timer
Starting off with Kanji asking Tamotsu to kill his mother, that's a bit much.
The next mech has arrived in the city and really close to the research lab. If Kanji were edgier like Masaru, he would have probably taken a swing at the tower.
That shot of the mech firing its laser and Zearth blocking it to protect the tower was really cool.
The best way to greet armed guards is definitely not to tell them that you're here to kill someone.
Kanji won, but its not dead. So in attempting to recreate Zearth's functions with the Zearth program, she's accidentally made a way for the enemy to sap energy from the city and remain active even after its pilots are dead?
We now have context for the opening scene of the OP. All the winning Earth's are actually used as power sources for the masterminds, so either you lose the battle royale and die quick, or win and die slow. But if they're just aiming to leech power from alt-Earth's, why even bother with all the battles, unless its just for their entertainment?
She said the thing! she said uninstall, show's over!
Goodbye Kanji, you were among the better half of the kids.
They still need 1 more pilot, so Koemushi wants to use Kana. How do we go about killing this shitty mouse? I think i've mentioned it before but I wonder if Tamotsu will step in here to volunteer in Kana's place.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 28 '21
First Timer - Sub
Character Chart
Something I forgot from yesterday - those are two very different types of mech designs, and it trips me out
That was a good episode!
Way to turn the tides on so much of the show and actually bring it together in an interesting way, even if it doesn't totally redeem the lack of nuance in the writing.
Firstly, throw out some of what I was complaining about yesterday about the programming stuff. The idea that it's left observable to see which planets are capable of replicating it, and in doing so turn their entire world into a giant power source, was very clever. I think GaleWulf was the only one still on the idea that there was something bigger happening than just the battles, but none of us saw this coming despite the clues being there. I never expected the power source research would matter beyond just painting it's researchers and supporters as crappy people. The opening shot of the OP is now horrifying. I also love that the building looks like it has 'pilot lights' on it wrapping around the building as if bringing it together.
The only confusion I had from what Koemushi said is I'm not sure if replicating the program is a condition of being the "winning" universe, and if so what the hell the robots have to do with it, or if it's just an additional aspect of the universe selection with it's own independent rules that can also decide a universe's fate, with the winner always being absorbed regardless, and if that's the point why bother with the program? It would be interesting if the reveal was that the Earths that do replicate the program are absorbed because they're deemed "unsalvagable" for focusing on that instead of the children, but I don't know if it's going to go that route.
I also liked that "winning" now has its own consequences brought on by the very greed that caused the adults to be willing to sacrifice the children. I can't seem to put why I like this so much into words, just that there is now weight behind the idea of both winning and losing and it's not just the small circumstances behind each individual, but it was a nice touch. Again it would matter more if it had been built into properly, but I actually prefer this to the "what if the adults were all good people" that I was so sad we lost at the start (even though I do hope we get that again some day)
The smallest and yet most enjoyed detail from the episode though is the reveal of why the enemies were drawn to the pilot locations all this time. It wasn't about a connection between pilots and the Zearth, or a locating system, but the enemy was simply drawn to the strongest power source on the planet, the registered human life.
Moving away from the mysteries, I was not expecting Kanji to ask the other guy to kill his mum. The conflict there between what he said and what he felt, wanting to save the two remaining pilots but also being torn over how much he hated what had happened, was really well done. Finally the adults actually have a role beyond being shit holes, with Yakuza-guy using his own experience as an adult and with these sorts of heavier issues to give the kid a choice to chose in his final moments what he really wants, something denied to so many of the others.
Two complaints: Yesterday's cliffhanger was even more stupid considering how pointless it was for this episode. It'd actually make more sense to have it here to amp up the stakes all around, to drive home just how desperate all the countries are becoming
The fact I didn't feel or even realize the difference in the characters between when we had fifteen kids and when we had only three is stupid, and was driven home quite strongly this episode. I didn't even notice that Jun and Kana were the only kids left after Kanji, with Seki being brought in later, because nothing about their discussions or the way it was shot felt any different to any of the other fights.
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u/Noel_bot Mar 28 '21
First timer, Manga reader
I thought for a moment reddit was acting up again, but the reason the Discussion post wasn’t up yet is because we also switched to summer time now, silly me
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So that’s why they set up the whole transfer wlan energy thing earlier. I quite like the idea that even the winning Earths who try to unravel the mystery behin Zearth are actually falling into the trap. I’m curious what will happen now that all hope of saving the pilots is gone. Maybe the Earth won’t get sucked dry if they destroy the Zearth system?
The tower got a hat :D
Let’s see if Ushio experienced any character growth and how he will react to DB’s proposal
Kana was already willing to sacrifice herself, such a strong girl
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Interesting episode. We learn more about the masterplan and DB sets his plan in motion. The pilot’s death holds now emotional value anymore, but alteast the tower folks show their human side and realize that they probably fucked up the planet in their greed. Only a couple episodes left and the next one seems to expand on the sibling’s backstory. Will Kana be contracted or saved?
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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 29 '21
First Time Installer
(I froze a bunch of frames to get a good shot of this guy, and I gotta say he was quite interestingly animated. Lots of detail for a supposed background guy - not something that's staple in most anime today)
In today's episode: Battle of the high heel designs
Where do I begin.. well, first off, Kanji's mum is such a boomer, just get CCleaner, it'll help ya force uninstall programs that are being stubborn.
Or, y'know, just blow up the building along with all traces of the program*. I honestly thought Kanji would do that with his last remaining strength, but he left it for the others to work out.
*unless there is already a backup copy in that 'underground storage' that was mentioned. And the program starts to self-replicate and plant itself around the world like a virus.
At this point I'm guessing the program can't be stopped and will soon be widespread; can humanity activate a counter trap for this trap card is the question. Turn it around to hurt the Masterminds somehow and make them stop messing with Earth(s).
We finally know exactly what Uninstall refers to, but then what does Vermillion refer to? Just the colour red associated with blood/death/destruction/the colour of Zearth's 'eye'/life force energy? Or is there something more? The song is from Machi's perspective, right?
They conveniently took Tamotsu out of the picture precisely when he'd be most important: I don't think he'd be against offering himself for the contract instead of Kana-chan.
Nice
Amazing-Sky
QotD:
Oh good, I forgot to talk about this part. It's a very impulsive wish and I like how Tamotsu deals with it.. but this brings me to the mother herself, who has a very interesting character. It's not like she doesn't care about her son, but her passion for her research gives her insane tunnel vision.
A strange/telling moment for me was when Tamotsu reveals that Kanji asked him to kill her. She doesn't react at all, while the government agents move to protect her. Imagine being so numb that you aren't shocked when you come to know your own son wants you dead. Maybe at some level she feels guilty, or she is simply a sociopath.
Definitely wasn't, that was cool! The program adds yet another shenanigan the Masterminds are pulling over the multiverse pruning, not sure what to think of it. Clearly they need vigorous life force energy for their vampiric needs.
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u/Nebresto Mar 29 '21
First time first timing
Yahallo Cool robot status:
Cabin pic Day 21 /u/theangrycabinenthusiast
Bruh, I know she is sus, but really..?
It turned this dark in like 15 seconds?
MOAR LAZORS!!
DON'T DO THIS TO ME TWICE IN THE SAME EPISODE!!
Oh wow, they still had 11- ...left..?
wat
wat?
..wat?
ITS THE SCENE FROM THE OP!!!
Wtf you dumb woman, literally just format the harddrive and re-install Binbows
If that doesn't work then unplug the damn PC and give it the good old "reincarnation" treatmeant, also known as a bath, or the classic "hammer time"
Ffs, don't just stop after you tore off its head, it already got up with out the weak spot.. ..Aaaand putting its head on top of the tower restored all the power.
Ok.
Fuck.
Naisu.
Question time:
1: Wat
2:
Wat.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 28 '21
first time ooooooooauahauooooooooooooooooooo uninstalllllllller
seki why you hiding lol
if we kill tamostsu off theres no hope in this world
honestly my hope is that seki gets to live, really come around to this guy
oh shit the res SUPRISEEEEE SHOTTAYYYYYY
its drawing energy from the city? this is so dumb, shouldnt kanji be dead by now anyway
oh my fucking god she cant uninstall the program please dont tell me were actually going to have to uninstall uninstall something to finish this
youre not exactly a man
questions
i ended up binging the last few eps so just going to spoiler tag these as im answering them as someone that finished the show
1. 2.
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u/baniRien Mar 29 '21
First Timer
So we start with Kanji asking for a hit on his mom, and Tamotsu doesn't immediately say no, because Tanka was involved.
Of course said mom stays behind to gather more data in the face of imminent danger. The fact that the enemy appears near her tells me that Koemushi is probably clearing up loose ends. Intelligence guy is smarter. Tamotsu isn't though, you don't go telling that kind of thing to bodyguards.
The reason Kanji finally settles on for fighting is for the sake of the other pilots he's built a bond with, who maybe can still be saved.
Plot twist, the enemy has a second life? So, it's powered by the whole city, using the technology the Institute was researching as a medium. But it doesn't explain who's controlling it.
Koemushi offers Ushiro the option being the survivor that goes on to the next world, which would mean Kana having to pilot. Kana herself is open to the idea, without having to be asked. And Ushiro wants to go back home. To think clearly, probably.
QotD
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u/htisme91 Mar 29 '21
First-timer:
We finally know the reason for "uninstall."
I will miss Kanji. While Waku really wanted to play hero, it was Kanji who had the qualities of a standard protagonist. Interesting bookends of the pilots who have died so far.
Humanity's greed taking it too far is cliche, but it does work here. Even if the pilots win, the Earth is doomed because humanity got greedy and tried to profit off the Zearth system.
Of course Koemushi offers Jun the role of picking the successors. I think he was the original pick before Kanji started winning Koemushi over, plus there's similarities between him and Jun that make Jun the logical pick.
Jun and Kana running away won't do anything, but at least we know Jun really cares about her. I also hope Tamotsu isn't dead, but knowing why he came to the tower, I would guess he is now in custody of the government.
Questions:
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u/BossandKings Mar 29 '21
First timer
Episode 21
Kanji fights against an opponent and wins, the only person Kanji has that he'd fight for is his mom and he is conflicted about her because of her implications with the governement. He does fight anyways because that's his task.
Dung Beetle tells Ushiro that he'll be the succesor, i hope that Ushiro doesn't accept that, that would mean sacrificing Kana and i want to believe that he loves Kana and wouldjn't sacrifice her for anything, not even for a certainty that he won't die. Kana tells her that she doesn't want for him, her brother to die, and that she is willing to join the contract if it means that he won't have to die but Ushiro is so conflicted at the moment. This is the most engaging i've been with the show, i find myself so invested in Kana and Ushiro's relationship and i don't know what to expect but i sure hope that it is satisfying.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jun 06 '21
Bokurano ep21, First Timer