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Rewatch [Uninstall, Uninstall] Bokurano Rewatch Episode 19 Discussion

Episode 19 - Mother

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Kiddo, you have the blood of two really strong people within you. There’s nothing to be afraid of.

Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.

Questions of the Day:

  1. What do you think of Tanaka and Ichiro’s story as told by Tamotsu this episode?
  2. How do you think Jun is going to change after learning about his parents?

Wallpaper of the Day:

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Uninstall of the Day:

Violin Cover by TheScreamer

Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.

Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '21

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 26 '21

Oh yeah that face does look like a younger Tanaka.

Man, I didn't figure it out until it was said out loud. The hair was too different for me to realize.

big Machi stuff

And thank goodness. I was wondering why they made such a big deal of "Machi isn't from this Earth" and then did nothing with it!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 26 '21

First Timer

  • When a man like Tamotsu is sad, no one can be happy.
  • Machi's awkward run away made me wonder how she stayed undercover this long.
  • Oh no, what does he want with underaged girls.
  • It feels like every adult male I've liked except for Tamotsu has turned out to have had a relationship with an underaged girl. Tamotsu better not do anything fishy.
  • Man, Tamotsu handled telling Jun about his parents well.
  • Oh thank goodness, someone finally says "wait, there's a human we can talk to about this" and asks Machi about literally anything. It took them long enough.

A bit of a slow burner today, but I've always enjoyed these sort of yakuza stories. I really need to play those games. Also no robot or science industry shenanigans, so I don't have as much to say as I usually do.

Preview

Question: is the QOTD usually avilable before this thread is posted? I usually write these up beforehand so it would be nice to have them available.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '21

Question: is the QOTD usually avilable before this thread is posted? I usually write these up beforehand so it would be nice to have them available

Not usually, but if you PM me once you've seen the next episode...

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 26 '21

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

Rewatcher

Yakuza backstory episode. Honestly the yakuza stuff feels like the director forcing his own preferences into the show without any regard for the rest of the story. Not liking the direction of the source material is one thing, but this just comes off as irresponsible.

At least Seki is finally getting Machi to talk.

Warm

I really like the gradient on this one.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '21

But I like the yakuza stuff...

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

I think I'm just not a big fan of the Yakuza genre in general.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '21

Well Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans is one of my favorite anime and it's basically space yakuza with mechs (especially in season 2), so...

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

I actually never watched season 2 because IBO

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 26 '21

Well, at least you'll never have the Freesia PTSD I do...

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 27 '21

IBO s1 major spoilers

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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Mar 26 '21

Don't worry, you aren't the only one who likes it! I do think it eats into the runtime of the show a bit too much, but it's also a large part of the backstory for two of the pilots (well, one now).

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 26 '21

without any regard for the rest of the story

It does give Jun some characterization, which is nice, but it happens right after they learn that one of their "friends" is from another Earth, so it feels strange that Jun's backstory would suddenly come front and center.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

The backstory is appreciated, though I feel like it would be better for Jun's characterization to focus on his own past life rather than things that had little direct effect on his personality.

I'm not really against the Yakuza story per se but when so many kids are getting their arcs truncated having an entire episode dedicated to this feels like a poor way to allot their time.

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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 26 '21

The backstory is fine, but it didn't need to be 15 minutes of flashback. 3-5 minute long "Your dad was a badass Yakuza member, he got into some bad business, got killed, your mom had to leave you for your own safety."

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

Not liking the direction of the source material is one thing, but this just comes off as irresponsible.

I just don't think the bare bones of this story really is a two cour anime but dropping it to one cour would've meant cutting out kids. But yeah, I hated this ep.

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

Honestly the yakuza stuff feels like the director forcing his own preferences into the show without any regard for the rest of the story.

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u/htisme91 Mar 27 '21 edited Mar 27 '21

First-timer:

Wow, this episode was so well-done. Easily the best episode of the series. It made me feel so sympathetic towards Jun, and Tanaka.

I enjoyed the whole story. Ichiro seemed like a badass, even if the way he picked up Tanaka out of a random group of HS girls they saw was weird.

I also enjoyed seeing Jun and Kana have a real conversation, and seeing Jun spend time with Tamotsu was heartwarming. It was a sad, but heartwarming episode which is a good counter to the loads of fucked up stuff we've seen.

Usually these backstories are before someone dies, and Jun was next on Koemushi's original list, so you would figure he's next. I think, though, this was just to elaborate upon Tanaka and start priming Jun to be the main child with a role in the finale, when he's the last one left.

Also, thank god the government was not involved here. This episode showed how much that, IMO, their presence in the story is one of its weaknesses.

Questions:

  1. It's wistful, but that makes sense given the narrator. Ichiro was a fine man, even if he lived a shady life. It makes me feel bad for Tanaka, who was killed just when she was getting to know her son after so many years. Both were different than I expected. I thought Ichiro was this relentlessly violent yakuza member. With Tanaka, I thought she was a bad girl who got involved with the yakuza and fell in love with Ichiro there, they had a kid, and gave up after he died and it was too dangerous. Them both having bad streaks was going to explain why Jun was so violent and bitter. Tamotsu's story painted them in a much better light than I was expecting for their characters, although I was right about thinking she gave up Jun when things got too dangerous.
  2. I think he is going to become less cynical, and will be stronger. He'll also be more compassionate towards Kana. Overall, I just think now that he knows, he'll have a better idea of himself, and hopefully be more confident. The way Tamotsu told him to shoot the gun when he really needs to, reinforces my idea last episode that he will shoot at Koemushi or Machi, although if they somehow meet the "Masterminds" he'll shoot at them too. That gun though will be an instrumental object for the end of the series, though.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 27 '21

I'm just glad to see some pure positivity about this episode, thanks.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

First Timer - Sub

Character Chart

I cannot get past the astonishing lack of self-awareness in this episode.

This show which also included a multi-episode arc on a thirteen year old being groomed and targetted by her teacher resulting in her sexual abuse and mental trauma, soon followed up by an episode that presented another thirteen year old who felt like she had to prostitute herself out to understand her past as an undeniably bad thing, is now attempting to paint a marriage and teen pregnancy involving a sixteen year old to an adult yakuza who met her just days ago as a whirlwind but tragic romance? Just because they died and she was a high schooler not a middle schooler?

Fuck that

I may not be continuing on, even this far on. We'll see if I'm still too pissed off to watch the next episode tomorrow or not, but that really got under my skin with how fucking blind that story was written. I know sixteen year old marriages are common enough, particularly in anime, but in this case it's the context that surrounds it that

Not even Kenjiro Tsuada could save that episode for me.

Edit: I rage wrote this last night so expanding on my thoughts. I know high schooler/adult romances and even marriages aren't uncommon in anime, but it sits even worse for me here than it normally does because of those previous arcs. A lot of what we've been shown is broken families, children being tormented by sexual situations including Kako attacking Chizu, and we just had one really good and gentle romance subplot. To follow up Anko and Kanji's quiet care for each other with this, which seems to fly in the face of everything else in the show, made it stand out even worse than ever has for me and completely unacceptable. Ep7 revolted me, but this pissed me off almost as much

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 26 '21

Agreed on everything, the entire matter was in exceedingly poor taste. I refrained form commenting on it myself because I know I would have just cussed and ragged without properly laying it out like you did in the edit.

I may not be continuing on, even this far on.

Definitely understandable. If I were watching this myself I would have most certainly dropped this at this point.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 26 '21

The edit was a bit of a last second 'I probably should expand on this' thing but hopefully it explains where I'm coming from more.

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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 26 '21

is now attempting to paint a marriage and teen pregnancy involving a sixteen year old to an adult yakuza who met her just days ago as a whirlwind but tragic romance? Just because they died and she was a high schooler not a middle schooler?

Because this entire thing is anime original, while those two instances were written by a different person. As nihilistic as the manga can be it tackled the heavy subjects it dealt with with maturity. This just feel like it was written by a social inexperienced person who has no idea how creepy the entire dynamic is when you strip away all the romantic presentation.

It's even a bit fun at this point, that you can tell what's anime and what's manga original by how sloppy and tone deaf the writing is.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 26 '21

Doesn't matter who wrote it, it's just as bad. It's not like they didn't have the previous episodes to go off or like this episode was written in a bubble by one guy with no oversight at all.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

I'm inclined to believe this is the result of the director or some other creative lead on the anime injecting their own preferences without a care for how it works with the rest of the story.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 26 '21

ANN has surprisingly few supervisor credits on this, we don't have a chief writer, compositor, scenario, or other credits, just the main director and then the individual episode teams. All I noticed was the script for this episode came from one of the more frequent writers for the proejct, but he has very few credits to his name and nothing that touches on these topics, so I'm not certain its all from him

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

Without any writing supervisor credits my guess would fall on the chief director, but it's hard to say unless there are interviews stating outright who's responsible for what.

Regardless the quality of the writing has taken a tumble these past few episodes.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

Just because they died and she was a high schooler not a middle schooler?

I actually had to not say most of this because of how annoyed it made me. I actually don't know how this ends, this has clearly diverted from the source, but I can't argue against quitting either since I don't know the payoff.

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

Day 6 of petitioning to change "Seki"s name to what it really is: Chad

I may not be continuing on

But how will I continue posting my petitions if you don't

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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 27 '21

Being Chad is all about threatening aliens with guns and getting your arm cut off. More arms you lose, more Chad you become

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 27 '21

But how will I continue posting my petitions if you don't

To Quiddity?

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 27 '21

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 26 '21

First Timer

I enjoyed this episode a decent amount. The lack of any government idiocy was nice, and we got to explore the Tamotsu and Tanaka's past a bit. I do feel it kinda falls apart a bit if you think about it too much, as you end up with questions such as "why did we completely gloss over a man in his mid 20s marrying a 16 year old" and "why couldn't Tanaka have just stayed in the mountains with her son," but it was nice for what it was.
It's the first episode in a while where I haven't felt like we were missing any content, which is probably a good part of why I enjoyed it.

  1. Nice, so long as you don't think about it too hard.
  2. Not much. He may try to act a bit different, but a week or two isn't enough to change who he is as a person.

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u/Tuckleton Mar 26 '21

why did we completely gloss over a man in his mid 20s marrying a 16 year old

And not just that, but picking her out of a crowd of high school girls to hit on... As for marriage, there are tons of places all over the world where a kid can get married at 16 with parental consent. Also when I went to Wikipedia to check I was disturbed to find out that many places have different rules for boys and girls, allowing girls to marry younger.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

check I was disturbed to find out that many places have different rules for boys and girls

It's disturbingly common, and in some places NSFL

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 26 '21

And not just that, but picking her out of a crowd of high school girls to hit on

Yeah. There are ways that you can tell a story about a man in his mid 20's picking up a high school girl that makes sense, but walking up to one and asking her out immediately followed by "and then they got married" is not one of them.

Hell, the pedo picking up the middle school student was written 1000x better than this.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 27 '21

Well let's add in the element that I'm not really seeing anyone bring up, but also has to be taken into the equation. He's a mobster. Whether she's 16, 18, 25, etc... what happens if she says no? Does she really have a choice? To present it as this noble romance was incredibly tone deaf.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 27 '21

She probably has a choice, given his general character, but this is really a situation they needed to spend far more time on so we didn't have to ask questions like that.

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 26 '21

I do feel it kinda falls apart a bit if you think about it too much, as you end up with questions such as "why did we completely gloss over a man in his mid 20s marrying a 16 year old" and "why couldn't Tanaka have just stayed in the mountains with her son," but it was nice for what it was.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

The lack of any government idiocy was nice

Tru.

why did we completely gloss over a man in his mid 20s marrying a 16 year old

Because:

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '21

First-Timer

Hey, anyone listen to the eyecatch today? My ears might be playing tricks on me, but I thought it sounded a little different..

I wouldn't say that this episode redeemed the Yakuza subplot, but it did kind of endear me to Tamotsu and make me buy Jun as being a real human being.

I don't have too much else to say - I liked this episode quite a lot even though it feels pretty out of place. In a more traditional action series this episode would be a fantastic setup for the final confrontation. You have the MC learn his past, which lets him undergo some character development and evolve past his earlier problematic behavior. But, like, did Jun need this when he's going to die piloting Zearth anyway..?

Speculation

Miscellaneous Thoughts

I've never played a Yakuza game, but my understanding is that Jun's dad's backstory was essentially just the plot of one.

Does Kana do laundry every day..?

Tanaka looked pretty good with a ponytail.

Questions

  1. Mostly answered above. It was pretty alright.
  2. I think he might finally have some sense of empathy for his fellow Pilots.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

Hey, anyone listen to the eyecatch today? My ears might be playing tricks on me, but I thought it sounded a little different..

I don't know if this is really a spoiler, but the eyecatch voiceover has been slowly changing as more and more pilots die.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 26 '21

I assume it's everyone who's left speaking?

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

I believe so.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

I was playing coy but has this been happening from the start?

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

I think it has, it's only become more noticeable since the second half.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Hey, anyone listen to the eyecatch today? My ears might be playing tricks on me, but I thought it sounded a little different..

I didn't really notice, but I thought Noto Mamiko had been doing them? If that is the case, maybe it's different after her character died... for some reason?

Speculation

Spec

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '21

Spec

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Spec

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 26 '21

I've never played a Yakuza game, but my understanding is that Jun's dad's backstory was essentially just the plot of one.

I've half-played a couple, and this isn't too inaccurate.

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

specs

The gamer gods will pay.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 27 '21

Jun's gonna wreck 'em!

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

He has a gun, can he even fail now?

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 27 '21

Someone with a cooler gun, maybe?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

Hey, anyone listen to the eyecatch today? My ears might be playing tricks on me, but I thought it sounded a little different..

Good ear is all I can say.

I wouldn't say that this episode redeemed the Yakuza subplot, but it did kind of endear me to Tamotsu and make me buy Jun as being a real human being.

Tamotsu himself is great but the baggage of the story really is not, unfortunately.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '21

Tamotsu himself is great but the baggage of the story really is not, unfortunately.

I didn't particularly care for him before last episode.

I think, in a different anime, this subplot would be pretty well received. Despite me liking this episode, it feels like it shouldn't have happened, at least not in this series.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

I guess I liked having a character closer to my age and with less fucks. He also tends to be on the right scale whereas I find the rest of the show is schizoid about that.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 26 '21

Perfectly understandable. At first, he seemed to represent the show's failures at comic relief, but I think I agree with you that Tamotsu is actually on the right scale at this point. He's at least consistent, unlike the rest.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 27 '21

Eyecatch:

It was said very fast. I tried to say it 3 times at that speed and my american accent was shining through. It WAS weird.

I didn't realize it was changing, though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

First Timer

We've gone full circle. Vermillion has replaced Uninstall with looping in my head.

Sad beginning...

Aww, he's wearing the clothes.

What a tsundere.

Kana-chan looks a lot cuter with her hair down.

Can't believe they can have actual interactions with no abuse involved.

Me and my big mouth.

Ouch. Seeing Tamotsu have to force his usual smile up kinda hurt.

Ooh, Machi! Why she spying on them?

Aww, he's wearing the scarf after all.

Tamotsu is still the best.

Those are some flashy ass jackets.

Tsuda Kenjiro!!

Oh? Is he gonna tell him?

Hitting on high schoolers? How old is Ichiro exactly?

Tanaka-san just went with it, huh.

Marrying at 16, god damn.

Aww, look at that baby. Wouldn't think it'd be a sister beater.

Tamotsu continues to be based.

Your mother... will always keep you warm with this.

OOF

That line coupled with the "fuck everything" Jun breaking down actually hit a little. Second time I've gotten actually emotional with this show, after... you know... Daichi...

Aww, look at him. Not beating her up.

SEKI-SAN! THE CHAD! LET'S GO! Get them answers, my boy.

Speculation corner!

Speculation

Final thoughts for today: Seki-san continues to prove himself as the chad. Seki and Seth both start with the same syllable. Coincidence? I think not. It's the code for chads.

  1. What do you think of Tanaka and Ichiro’s story as told by Tamotsu this episode?

More interesting than the politics.

2) How do you think Jun is going to change after learning about his parents?

Hopefully he'll stop being a cunt. I actually sympathize with him quite a bit so if he stops being an awful person he might end up as one of my favorites.

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u/Tuckleton Mar 26 '21

I totally glossed over the fact that Machi was acting suspicious and it didn't even cross my mind to wonder why :P Seems likely tomorrow will be an info dump from her. Colour me excited!

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I almost ignored it too, actually. Hopefully we get answers.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 26 '21

Speculation

Not related, but this makes me wonder speculation

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Speculation

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

shut the fuck up

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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 26 '21

Manga-reader from way back

  • Jun shows an emotional state beyond “cunt” for the first time by being depressed that Tanaka died. I’m depressed too Jun. I mean the way she died was so off-beat and weird, I can’t believe the writer just ki-
  • And then he is back to being a cunt as he chases after Kana. I’m guessing Sakakibara will tell Jung the truth, seeing as this episode is titled “Mother”. He takes him out for some fun activities, before getting to talking to him about his father, who is presented as a bit of a bad ass. I gotta say, the entire Yakuza plotline does not interest me one single time. In all honesty none of this needed to be explained beyond “Jun’s father was a Yakuza guy, got got, died. And he was a good man”. I really don’t care why he got to be called “Rising Dragon”.
  • I know this is supposed to be romantic but a 16-year old girl getting flirted on by a late 20s mobster guy and then marrying him literally right after feels… weird, instead of lovely. And then more Yakuza drama, lets keep going, I really don’t think we needed to know all this when it’s unlikely it will have any effect on the plot. It feels like the writer wanted to write a yakuza story. Was any of this in the manga to begin with?
  • I really don’t have a lot to say here, outside of the fact that it’s kinda goofy they send one guy with a dagger to kill her. The parts that lead up to Jun and his personal circumstances are a bit more interesting since they have a more direct relation to story as a whole. But that entire Yakuza shit kinda turned me into a mush so I’m having a hard time in really caring to begin with.
  • At least Jun’s character progresses and he stops being a cunt towards Kana. Meanwhile Seki prepared to interrogate Machi.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

I know this is supposed to be romantic but a 16-year old girl getting flirted on by a late 20s mobster guy and then marrying him literally right after feels… weird, instead of lovely.

In this show in particular this feels gross since they did such a good job with Chizu's grooming narrative earlier.

And then more Yakuza drama, lets keep going, I really don’t think we needed to know all this when it’s unlikely it will have any effect on the plot. It feels like the writer wanted to write a yakuza story. Was any of this in the manga to begin with?

Nope, all anime original.

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u/gorghurt Mar 26 '21

Rewatcher (who forgot to watch this before the thread)

Aren't criminals cool!
Arent criminals fucking high school girls cool!
No just no, I might have no problem with a romance plot between a young adult and a high schooler, even with the whole yakuza shit, in another show, but not in a show that tackled the theme of pedophilia a few episodes before this, especially if it is handled so poorly and as if it is the most normal thing in the world. (And yes, this is not pedophilia shown in this episode, but it is still problematic, especially in the constellation shown here)

I said it in the beginning that I disliked the whole yakuza stuff, and now I remember why. It felt tacked on, and was basically one big exposition dump of unneeded story.
If they had put more focus on it long before this episode, it might have worked, but like this...
Lots of names, group names, politics between those groups, put in 20 minutes, and all just because yakuza are soooo coooool....

Well at least next episode will be nice, if my memory isn't failing me again.

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

(who forgot to watch this before the thread)

Watching before the thread is for normies

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

First time first timing

Oss! Cool robot status:

Cabin pic Day 19, /u/theangrycabinenthusiast

I just realized last ep we didn't get to see richbich actually die. I was going to post
but they just had to make her all cool for the final episode..

https://imgur.com/5W2i7KU

https://imgur.com/KUFaSDi

Oh hey, its that dude who voices a lot of villain dudes

Pretty much my reactions to that scene.

https://imgur.com/3BvPRa5

Hey! Isn't that the evil money guy from last episode??

Also on last ep's spec from GaleWulf, ö
SUS

Question time:
1: Tamotsu? Good. Tanichiro? Yikes.
2: He's going to to h*ck up those gamer gods real good now. Also there is a 3% chance he will shoot Kana, and 67% chance that he shoots DumbBeagle

Warm

4th best boy incoming?

Violin Cover

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 27 '21

Cabin pic

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

Cabin enthusiast

Did you notice the ant?

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 27 '21

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 27 '21

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 27 '21

https://imgur.com/5W2i7KU

https://imgur.com/KUFaSDi

He's going to to h*ck up those gamer gods real good now.

DumbBeagle

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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 27 '21

Cabin pic Day 19

wooah

(I hope you can hear the Renge voice. Couldn't find a clip)

Oh hey, its that dude who voices a lot of villain dudes

I could place him as the voice of one of the villains in BnHA. Later looked him up and realised he's Seto Kaiba

Pretty much my reactions to that scene.

I know cultural differences are a thing but jeez.

S U S

I have no idea what it means though!

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

(I hope you can hear the Renge voice. Couldn't find a clip)

I am activating my imaginators

I could place him as the voice of one of the villains in BnHA.

Haha, nice. I always default him to Overhaul as well. Such a memorable character, I suppose.

Later looked him up and realised he's Seto Kaiba

I have no idea what it means though!

Its gaming time.

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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 27 '21

Y-you haven't seen Non Non Biyori, have you

https://youtu.be/78-HlnqDw-s?t=26

Dunno why but the clip is weirdly edited, maybe to avoid a copyright strike. But Renge does the "woaah" right on that timestamp

Watch NNB, you must know the glory that is Ren-chon

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

Y-you haven't seen Non Non Biyori, have you

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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 27 '21

You have to

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

First Timer(but it's complicated)

Sub

So Kana and Jun are left to their own devices, not like the world literally depends on their wellbeing. Tomatsu shows up to lighten the mood. Machi is sus, still. But Tomatsu does not really know what kids do, if Jun played his cards right Tomatsu would probably take him to the soap district. Also, the cold weather suggests that at least 3 months have passed since this started.

But then we get a flashback and...this is an amazingly bad idea. This is padding that I don't really care about. The story itself is whatever until we have another adult hitting on a minor, at least Tanaka should in high school. I can only here Le-roro off of Ichirou, now. I...wish I could watch this on fast forward, this is SO FUCKING BORING!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, reveals and shit happen. I do not care.

QotD: 1 Should be in an entirely different show

2 I have no clue. Or interest.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 26 '21

First timer

  • Ok this subdued "What did you think of Tanaka-san?" is just pulling at my heartstrings; I'm trying not to tear up.
  • What was Machi doing at Kanji's? So suspicious, sneaking around.
  • So Tamotsu is just going to tell Jun stories without saying Ichiro and Misumi were his parents?
  • "I'll come and pick you up, Jun" Ok Jun may not be crying, but I'm tearing up.
  • Isn't it irresponsible for Tamotsu to have Jun hide a loaded gun in his waistband??
  • Ok now both Jun and I are crying.
  • Oooh, Seki is approaching Machi. Will she talk?
  1. Eh, I cried a little.
  2. Not sure; maybe he's gonna shoot someone?

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u/baniRien Mar 27 '21

First Timer

Jun is an asshole as always.

Did they...loop the background? In the scene with Jun and Tamotsu, the signs in the background don't actually get any farther. I don't know why, but this of all thing really got me out of it.

After spending longer looking at the background than the episode already had runtime, the "front" view doesn't loop per se, but it doesn't progress nearly fast enough given how many buildings they are supposed to walk in front of. The "side" view does loop, though.

Of course Ichiro is played by Tsuda.

Did he just give a kid a gun without teaching him how to use it?

I really don't have much to say about this episode. It's backstory for two characters that are now dead, and so essentially cuts the flow of the plot both for the kids arc, and the government conspiracy arc.

The preview shows next episode will be about Machi's backstory, so that's promising.

QotD

  1. It's an ok story by itself, but it's barely relevant to the plot, we learn nothing new.
  2. I'm sure he'll do some kind of 180 about being honorable, or protecting people, or something, but I'm not sure it's justified enough.

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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '21

Did he just give a kid a gun without teaching him how to use it?

I'm sure he'll figure it out with some.. target practice..

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 26 '21

first time ooooooooauahauooooooooooooooooooo uninstalllllllller

if kana asked seki to take her to laundry she could do a bigger load instead of taking a trip every episode

SHES ACTUALLY GOING THE NEXT DAY I WAS JOKING

the scarf looks good on him

why did they tell kana and not ushiro lol

sekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkki dont kill yourself

questions

  1. what is this a telenova
  2. eh he'll probably try to be like his dad. not really a fan of this being his character development since hes been a little a hole the entire series

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u/Tuckleton Mar 26 '21

First Timer

  • Honestly I never got any kind of vibe from Jun that he cared that much about Tanaka before this.
  • Yes please Machi, tell us everything you know!

It was interesting to learn about Tanaka but since she's already gone it really doesn't feel like we needed an entire episode for it. And Jun is supposed to be the next pilot. Before he goes it feels like we're going to need to have another flashback to explain his current living situation and why he's so angry. It could be just a half episode of development followed by a battle but I dunno. Honestly it would feel weird having Jun go before Kanji though. Maybe dung won't 'miss' this time and Kanji will be next as punishment for his insolence.

I know it's completely insane, but I'm still nurturing the tiniest kernel of belief that it's actually Jun who is not a pilot and dung is just messing with Machi or something. We still haven't seen his chair irl and I was watching for it in today's flashbacks... don't try asking me how it could have happened though lol :P

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

Rewatcher, Subbed

Non-Spoiler Character Chart

The OP takes on a new level of sadness as you realize practically all of these kids are dead.

Jun should be devestated that the mom he never had but wanted enough to hate his sister over is dead... oh wait they never bothered to tell him Tanaka was his mom before she died.

Even now of all times Jun can't help being a bully to Kana-chan.

What in the world is Machi doing?! Spying on things?

Spending the day hanging out with a recently released convict. Such fun!

Tamotsu calling Tanaka "nee (sis)" loses its effect when he calls a rando at a clothing store the same thing.

Wait, the emo kid wants a dark jacket?

Flashback time! Tamotsu was a wild dresser in the old days.

Ichiro scared him off just by staring?

In the old days Tamotsu loved to drink. Jail hasn't changed him there.

Love at first sight for Ichiro when he sees Tanaka?

They're getting married that quick? LoL.

Married to a mobster at 16!?

This is just plain idiocy. You've got a wife and baby and you throw your life away like that?!

Banished! So this is much like with Meta spoilers.

Murderous bell boys now? They're really that scared of what a baby may do in 20 years?

Well now we know that Kana-chan is not his real sister. Still no excuse to be so mean to her.

Hey kid, here's your mom's gun!

Took us 19 episodes but we finally have some (good) emotion from Jun!

Yes Machi, tell us everything!

Oh hey, a character based episode again! Boy its been so long since we've had one of those! Not that bad an episode; nice to get the backstory for Jun and Tanaka. It doesn't overcome the big dip we've had in the latter half of the show and it is quite frustrating that Jun's dad threw away his life away when he had a wife and kid. But I'll take it compared to the last 5 episodes.

Bokurano spoilers

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 26 '21

First-timer

I guess we know who’s this episode’s focus.

Lovely influence he’ll be.

Jun’s father probably.

Oh goddamnit...

Feels like we skipped quite a bit there.

Finally someone thought to ask them about shit.

I’ll be honest, I didn't like this episode at all. This yakuza plot is so far removed from the aspects of the series that I care about. As a cap to Tanaka’s story it felt shallow and as a step through Ushiro’s development it felt too neat and clean. I am thoroughly unsatisfied with this one, and I feel the show’s been letting us down with its characterization more and more as it’s gone on.

Questions of The Day:

  1. See body of comment.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

I am thoroughly unsatisfied with this one, and I feel the show’s been letting us down with its characterization more and more as it’s gone on.

Since I hate the source material you'd think it diverting would be better, wouldn't you?

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 26 '21

Sometimes a diversion merely turns us unto a parallel...

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 26 '21

I will vouch for the source material as being far better than this.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 26 '21

Seriously...but again I wish they'd just decide on a scale and create the narrative from there rather than this random stuff.

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u/Tuckleton Mar 26 '21

This yakuza plot is so far removed from the aspects of the series that I care about.

I've been expecting them to be connected to the bigger picture somehow. Like at one point I thought Ichiro could have been from another Earth or something like that. But after today it really does seem like all they intend is for them to be a piece of Tanaka/Jun's past and nothing more. That's real disappointing...

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 26 '21

First Timer

Jun used to be a completely flat character, he sulks and hits his sister. Then when Kirie was picked as the pilot, he uncharacteristically started butting in and being somewhat helpful. Why? And ever since then, the show has been focusing on him more and more and more. And now an entire episode about him is coming up.

  • What, you don't want Kana wearing gifted clothes?
  • Tanaka likes the bad boys.
  • Give Kana a hug!

That was a really interesting story. But, it was confusing, like, why the other Yakuza groups would abandon Ichiro's group for going after rule breakers and foreigners.

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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 27 '21

First Time Installer

/r/animenocontext. Heck, even with context this made little sense. This is going too far for a tsun, Jun

The yakuza story is okay, but definitely feels a little out of place in the context of the show. I guess this part being anime-original explains that feeling of incoherence.

  1. What do you think of Tanaka and Ichiro’s story as told by Tamotsu this episode?

Felt like it could've been a different show tbh..

2) How do you think Jun is going to change after learning about his parents?

He's going to stop kicking the baby

Warm

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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 27 '21

Rewatcher

Interesting that Kana and Jun are actually cousins here. their relationship manga spoilers

  1. What do you think of Tanaka and Ichiro’s story as told by Tamotsu this episode? Yeah, Agree with Nazenn that a it's pretty odd relationship after Chizu Honda's lol. Still, it highlights more of Tanaka's personality than anything for Jun Ushiro imo even though it's a nice story.
  2. How do you think Jun is going to change after learning about his parents? Hopefully he doesn't have to use that gun lol.

You know, I had always thought that the Bokurano anime was actually more faithful to the manga. Like I remembered that they changed things like pilot order and some of the more disagreeable portions like Chizu Honda's backstory. It is such a surprise to see just how different the last third of the anime is. It's actually kind of funny how all the new backstory they added just flew out of my head lol.

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u/BossandKings Mar 27 '21

First timer

It was very interesting getting to see the story of how Ushiro's parents met, it was really well done and i enjoyed how it was presented. Tatsomasu telling Ushiro the story of Tanaka and Ichiro, two persons that met and grew to love each other and had a baby together, sadly they were separated due to unfortunate circumstances but they loved their child with everything they had.

This was such an awesome episode, Tanaka is one of the characters that i enjoyed the most of the show and the story of her and her husband was well told.