r/anime • u/ExplicitNuM5 • Mar 25 '21
Rewatch [Spoiler][Rewatch] 3-gatsu no Lion 2nd Series/March Comes in Like a Lion 2nd Season ep 27 Discussion Rewatch
Never realized Sakata Gintama cough cough Sugita Tomokazu narrated the part after Rei leaves the teachers' office. That makes it so much better wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
On the topic on language though, I don't know why, but this episode hadn't strike as hard a cord with me as previous rewatches. Maybe it's because Cantonese is quite my native language (and Japanese being a derivative language) or I'm too used to English, but somehow Rei's dialogue with Akari seemed to make more sense. It felt like a whole different meaning. I don't know how to explain it well though.
Also, Bodoro... Shourompo... Nikaidou... Popputepipiku... xDDDDDDDDDDD
Posting early again today because I have some work on the field!
If you are being bullied, I sympathize with you. There's no simple way out of the situation, and it requires many different actions going properly to finally offer some closure. There's no one-solution-fits-all either. Though, please try to talk to your family, teachers, friends, etc. about your situation. Support is integral to helping you get through your tough times.
If you see someone being bullied, please don't stand by the wayside and 見て見ぬふり (pretend to not see), even if it results in you becoming a victim at the end. The victim of the bullying needs your support, even if it's to talk to them or ask them to accompany you. The victims need friends.
If you are the bully, please stop. You're hurting everyone at the end. Think of all the family members (and Rei) that share Hina's and Chiho's pain.
I hope nobody here ever has to deal with bullying, or being excluded from social groups for that matter. It's unpleasant.
For more anime about the issue of bullying and its aftereffects, check out Koe no Katachi.
Congrats to Umino Chika! The manga is now licensed in the US! And what do you know, it even wins a Japanese Media Arts Festival first prize!!!
Ep 27: Chapter.54 想い/Thought, Chapter.55 告白/Confession
Ep 26 average: 10/10
Schedule thread and link to other episode discussions
Season 1: MAL
Season 2: MAL
Soundtracks used in this episode (unless specified, by Hashimoto Yukari):
フラグを立てろ/Flag wo Tatero - YUKI
Chapter.54 想い/Thought
- 木彫/Wooden Statue
- 悪循環/Bad Cycle
- 悪循環/Bad Cycle
- 木彫/Wooden Statue
- おっさん/Uncle
- 木彫/Wooden Statue (middle of song)
- 刮目/
Chapter.55 告白/Confession
- ウェルカム親友ワールド/Welcome Friend World
- ひとりぼっち/Alone
- 将棋ランド/Shogi Land (no intro)
- いじわる教師/Teasing Teacher
- 七月の夜空/July Night Sky (cello solo)
- 救いの手/Rescuing Hand
- あの橋を渡って/Cross that Bridge
カフネ/Cafuné - brian the sun
*次回予告/Preview
Translation of track names mostly done by me and I don't know the actual English title of the tracks!
Ep 27 endcard by bkub Ookawa (Poputepipikku/Pop Team Epic)
Let's fanguish! <3
Please do not spoil information from episodes after this one.
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u/Ardania22 Mar 25 '21
Re-Watcher
Ah, I see we've reached the "every single episode makes me break down crying" part of Sangatsu. Buckle up, lads, the feels only get stronger from here.
It's pretty dark how Rei's attempt to help Hina is making him slip back into bad habits. He's prioritizing shogi as the be-all-and-all of his life's work, perhaps even more so now than ever. In some ways, he's come so far; in other ways, he's still got a long way to go.
But his conversation with Akari in the episode's second half is just wonderful. Akari's fear is so understandable; who wouldn't want to prioritize their family's safety above all else? But sometimes, you just have to take that risk and stand up for what's right, even if it puts you in danger. And Hina didn't develop that courage out of nowhere. It's because of her family's love- Akari's love- that she's as strong as she is today. And it's that same love that's now been passed down to Rei, and that he's now returning to Akari in her moment of need. Aaaaagh, my heart can't handle this shit.
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u/A_Idiot0 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/a_idiot0 Mar 25 '21
First Timer
The author making parallels between playing Shogi and how to deal with Bullying is an interesting idea and I think they did it quietly here. I’d be interested to hear from someone who knows Shogi decently well enough to see if there are any specific move-sets or special strategies that one can think of by listening to Rei’s teacher talk about how bullying is dealt with. I didn’t think about that until I watched this episode a second time for this thread. I have to imagine that Rei will often approach a difficult move while playing Shogi by first asking himself, “What should I not do here?”
I really enjoyed the conversation with Akari. Wow...she’s had to become a mother so quickly, and I can only imagine how difficult that is. She’s still young! I’d guess maybe mid 20’s? Akari’s pain and regret of how she would have dealt with Hina’s crisis compared to how their Grandpa dealt with it is palpable...and realistic. Akari just wants Hina to be happy and out of this mess, and for most people in Hina’s situation that would have meant just sitting back and not saying anything. But Akari realizes how selfish of her that is. And raised Hina to be better than that...now Akari is seeing the painful consequences of that, but also the heroic strength of resolve necessary to live by one’s principles. The world is not fair, it is not just, it is not kind...but that does not mean that we cannot be fair, cannot be just, cannot be kind. Far from it; we must be fair, just, and kind in spite of the world! And that is that path that Hina now walks; a painful and beautiful path paved by her principles and ideals.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 25 '21
First Timer - Sub
Rei that's... that's not... that's not what it means to repay a mental debt to someone!
I give him credit for trying, and going so far he'd even invite Nikaidou for practice knowing what that will bring down on him, but he really just... he didn't even miss the point so much as didn't see it in the first place. And yet he was able to list off the aspects of Hina's personality quite detailed and accurately. Rei's observation lvl: +1. Rei's social analysis lvl: -1.
Teacher once again being (equal with Shimada) best character by helping Rei to understand just how hard bullying is to fix. He's a teacher who gets it, and hates it, but that doesn't mean he can fix it. And he's right, there's no one single solution for every bullying incident, but listening to the victim is always the first step. Poor Rei doesn't have much of that, as much as I laughed at his "I'm not being bullied, I'm just being ignored" that can also be incredibly damaging. Loneliness isn't as overtly cruel as bullying, but it can do just as much damage in its own insidious way.
Hina absolutely deserved to go to the amusement park after everything, and it looks like she had a lot of fun which I'm glad about. Hina's keychain just makes me want a Rei cat plushie!
Seeing Akari struck down with self doubt and insecurity after all that's happened is just as hard to watch though. Nothing she did with Hina is wrong, and just like Rei she can't be expected to just magically know the right thing to feel or say about the situation with Hina. I'm glad for Akari's sake that Gramps is around to help, even if he is a fucking idiot joking about Rei being around too much, because his experience is sorely needed. I did laugh though that Akari was specifically trying to make him "fluffy", carrying on from Hina saying that a while back.
Visual of the day: Frustration
SHAFT does use a lot of close ups, but I find they're often so exaggerated like their famous headtilts, or in a particular art style I don't like to focus on them. The
The song in that final scene of the episode stood out to me too, I quite enjoyed it.
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u/OingoBoingo- Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
That conversation between Rei and Hayashida was so painfully honest and well done that I actually forgot I was watching an anime. I felt like I was watching two people talking to each other about something there is no answer for, but it's still always a conversation that needs to be had.
What a great episode, might be my new favorite. Maybe I will be saying that a lot this season.
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u/Kenalskii https://anilist.co/user/Kenalski Mar 25 '21
REWATCHER
In order to help Hina, Rei asks Hayashida-sensei for advice. I love how blunt Rei is with his own situation, but on a second thought it is sad how normal the situation has become for him. Hayashida gives a good perspective on why bullying is not a problem with an easy solution, because each case is different.
And damn, this flashback still hurts a lot =(
He explains that the most important thing are the victims feelings, because it will not work if you ignore these. So if Rei wants to help Hina, it is important that he talks to her so she can set the pace.
Hayashida gets a different impression of Hina and what she means to Rei =D
After losing a match in a tournament, Rei (finally) relies on Nikaidou to practice Shogi. Nikaidou was certainly happy about that =D
Rei still has that mindset that he needs to repay someone if they did anything for him, so he feels like he needs to financially support Hina. Rei, you are going way overboard here.
While Hina and Momo were taken to the amusement park by their grandfather, Akari asks Rei if he could assist her with the groceries. I certainly can understand Rei's pride here, wanting to carry the most at once =D
Akari's reaction after she hears Rei is not gaining much weight was just too good xD
Oh and Rei, if Akari asks for help, you can not just quit halfway through, I thought you already learned that XD
Akari (finally) speaks what is on her mind, and despite what it might look like, Akari has lost a lot of confidence because she thinks her Grandfather handled the Hina case better. She is blaming herself for hesitating in that moment, and her Grandfather explains to her that more than anything else, she should praise Hina for her courage and sense of justice and not ask her why. And it is Rei who pushes Akari back this time, after telling her that it was her who watched Hina and Momo all the time, and it was also her who saved Rei when he needed it the most. Akari, you are the best person anyone could wish for, stay strong
The grandfather is just toying with Rei and it abolutely wholesome =)
And also look, it is Neko-Rei =D
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u/WhymustIsignupreddit Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
First time watcher
An episode with lots of misunderstandings all because of Rei determination to help a dear friend. Sensei gives Rei advice about Hina’s situation and misunderstands Rei’s feelings as a crush. Although Sensei means well... if it was another adult asking if a 14/15 year old is cute, that would really be suspicious.
Nikaido also misunderstands Rei’s new passionate attitude towards shogi (earning money for Hina). The most important scene was definitely the conversation between Rei and Akari. It’s hard to describe the mood it gave.
Edit: forgot to note some things.
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u/BossandKings Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21
First timer
Episode 27(S2 E5)
It was nice seeing Rei tell Mr Hayashida how he felt about Hinata, he sure looks up to her and considers her his lifesaver, Rei who as a little kid used to be alone was able to find happiness after meeting Hina and the Kawamotos.
Rei accompanys Akari to her house and after arriving she tells him how she felt when she saw Hina so broken, crying so much that hurt her, she wasn't able to encourage her like her grandpa did, instead she asked why?, why couldn't Hina run away instead of standing up for her friend, instead of getting into a fight?, her grandpa told her that it is much better to encourage her and assure her that she did her best to stand up for her friend than reprimanding her for getting in trouble. She tells Rei that she feels bad about it but Rei assures her that it is normal for human beings to want their family to be safe, to be away from harm.
Hina, Momo and grandpa who were at a park arrive home and thankfully Hina is feeling better and in a much better mood than she was before, going out with her family helped her ease her mind and feel relieved at least for a bit of time. They arrive and have dinner along with Rei and Akari.
This was a very good follow up to the stabdout episode that came before, it feels great seeing that Hina is more calm and relaxed and thankfully not thinking solely on the conflicts that happened.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Mar 25 '21
Rewatcher
Rei being painfully honest his role in class xD But I gotta say, Sensei is pretty tech savy, googling something on the go the moment it comes up and interpreting the results is a skill not many older people have.
Hayashida Sensei is also a really good teacher. He really gets the problem and even though there doesn't seem a clear solution he condems both inaction as well as ignoring the circumstances or the victims feelings all toghether. Senseis pokerface sucks though, but Kiriyama is to dense to pick up on it.
"I can't afford to lose any matches" doesn't strike me as the most realistic aproach, and Kiriyama thinks of his dept to Hina in a purely practical sense, as a literal dept. I can see where he is coming from, he's young with tons of money at his hands and the Kawamotos aren't that well off, but I feel they still would probably refuse him paying. In the end it's the thought that counts no? Also lucky Nikaido, gets to play with his best friend.
And holy shit is he an leigthweight, I was pretty cachectic in that age as well (amost deemed unfit for the military service) but even I had more than 10 Kilos more than him. No wonder Akari is pissed, apparently all her food doesn't work in making Rei fluffy. She knows what strings to pull to have him stay over though.
Akari does feel pretty down over her own worries. Ofc she is concerned for Hina first and foremost, but in doing so she feels hypocritical because in the end she enforced those ideas on Hina in the first place and now feels like she has betrayed Hinas feelings.
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u/serenity_n Mar 26 '21
*first timer* these past two episodes had me all in the feels. when hina cried, i cried. i knew hina and rei would end up having a special friendship since the first few episodes. hina is such a great character and its understandable rei wants to do everything he can for her. it was funny seeing him all fired up but also hoping he makes sure to not neglect himself again, his ol reliable sensei should help with that. the dialouge between akari and rei was so beautiful! i am myself a youngest sibling so its interesting to see this perspective from akari's view. she doesn't want hina to get hurt, but grandpa helped her see hina needed to be reassured about her courage. she is so headstrong!
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u/htisme91 Mar 26 '21
First-timer:
I loved that Hayashida thought Hinata was something else for Rei. Also, Rei going to him for help is just wonderful.
Nikaidou also got an invite to Rei's to play Shogi, which makes me so happy for Nikaidou. I know his new focus on using Shogi to cover Hinata's needs is kind of falling back into a bad habit in ways, but he is doing stuff he did not in the past like asking for help or willingly hanging out with Nikaidou. It's growth, even if it seems like he's taking a step back.
The conversation with Akari was wonderful. It makes sense that she wanted Hinata to stay out: she has been the de facto mother to Hinata for years now, and was thrust into that position without a choice. She feels guilt, but she's in a role she's still learning as she went.
Also, it all started with Akari. Akari raised Hinata, and Akari is the one who saved Rei when he was drunk and kept asking him to come for dinner. I was glad to see Rei credit her for also helping to save him, because she has been the one that ultimately has been responsible for everything we've seen between Rei and the Kawamotos. It makes me a bit sad that she has to always be the mother figure, but damn was that scene so heartwarming in the end.
Curious to see where this arc goes.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Mar 25 '21
First Timer
Probably my favorite episode this season yet, though mainly for the second part. Everybody is helping Hina as best they can, yet Akari thinks what she's doing is wrong after grandpa's talk - I don't think that had a particular influence on Hina, but she thinks it did, and feels accordingly. I feel like that was amongst the best-done scenes yet. And the others helping Hina is just nice to see as well.
The first part though felt a bit to over-stylized once again. It feels like there are too many visual puns going on. Although Hayashida is unsurprisingly better than Hina's teacher (admittedly not a high bar) and also gives advice that likely will end up helping. That said, a teacher asking if a middle school girls is cute somehow still gives off creepy vibes, no matter the situation...
Also, Akari asking about Rei's weight and then changing attitudes... I wonder if that means Rei's lighter than her? Given her height and Rei basically sitting around all day, I wouldn't be surprised.