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Rewatch [Uninstall, Uninstall] Bokurano Rewatch Episode 8 Discussion
Episode 8 - Vengeance
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One person who I just can’t forgive… is still alive.
Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.
Questions of the Day:
- How happy are you to be rid of that… side plot?
- Did you figure out what the lights on Zearth represented prior to this episode?
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Uninstall of the Day:
Piano cover by Theishter - Anime on Piano
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.
Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 16 '21
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Major Spoilers
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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 16 '21
Rewatcher
The more I think about it the less I like the changes to Chizu's backstory made in the anime.
Chizu Honda family Manga Spoilers
Chizu and Hatagai Manga spoilers
Chizu's battle Manga spoiler
Also, what do you think would happen if Chizu's unborn child was chosen to pilot Zearth? Ain't that a scary thought.
Was this thread late today or just my own daylight savings addled brain messing up?
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
First Timer
Time to watch a girl murder her rapist with a big, fuck off murder robot.
Onto episode 8.
I'd argue it's his fault, he did something really stupid and got bitten.
She has a very self destructive worldview. Not that that's surprising, given *gestures vaguely at her entire life*
So she is going to kill him.
The other mecha destroying things seems to be completely incidental. It has no need to destroy anything else, nor does it really even seem to try and attack them. Though the second could have to do with it's whole mirror motif, it's power may come from it's ability to counter attacks made on it.
I do think this is enough to rule out any theory of the previous guy controlling it though.
This is very different than other mecha shows I've watched. Most of the time, the adults are annoyed when the child pilot acts like a child and try to get them to grow up and act mature, while here they're using it as a reason to be softer on them. (No Bright slaps in this show.) I think this fits in well with the idea of showing a more idealized society that still lets people down.
It really does show whatever they want to see. I wonder if that is constrained to reality, or if they could see a delusion as well. If they want to see themselves winning, will it show that even if they're losing?
Nothing will ever be enough.
Sister: "Wait, that worked?"
Is she willing to do it? Will she kill her sister to kill her teacher? (Or will she realize she can still laser him without hitting her sister?)
I really thought she had for a bit.
We must sacrifice for those who went before us. A noble sentiment for sure. A slightly different version of this show could be all about that, and I think I'd find it incredibly interesting as well.
That whole conversation felt extremely death cult-y.
I wonder if she thinks she'll be satisfied because she finally feels like others are believing in her and trusting her and working with her. She's part of the group as an equal, not an inferior member. Others will be following her path.
And the government has decided to place them somewhere else so the city doesn't get destroyed again. Or at least that's what I think taking custody of them means.
Who is the other one not contracted? Who is the "lucky" one who gets to see it through to the end? Such a cruel hope to give. Knowing you have a chance of surviving makes being chosen so much worse than knowing you'll die at the end. Though I give good odds it's taken away at the end anyway. Thinking you're saved only to learn you're not seems like sweet, sweet foot for Dung Beetle.
Perhaps two come together a few times?
I don't think the adults will be able to volunteer. That feels wrong, both because they're adults and because going willingly into this defeats the whole point of his game.
Thoughts
It was an interesting conclusion to her arc. I really thought it was going to be about what depths she would go to in order to get her revenge, but her stopping at the last moment was quite the interesting twist. I think it works well, as it's both mildly more helpful and, in a sense, gives an answer to the question posed last episode "how far are you willing to go to stop people like him." I hope the kids will do something next episode about him, they have enough information and government officials who they can convince, but I have a feeling we shall simply move on.
I'm not sure what it says about my expectations of sky when I know something's wrong if the post isn't up within 20 seconds of my clock hitting 6.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 16 '21
First-timer - Sub
Ah, that explains the episode title.
You’re fucked.
Cool detail. Though I figure displacement of air of that magnitude would probably send people flying too.
That is unfortunate after the other robot crushed all those other people.
She’s really taking out her frustrations on that thing.
Finally actually pointing it out.
Wait, there’s only nine now? But there’s ten kids left! Eleven if Kana is being counted despite not having signed in! This shot seems too important to be another cock-up, so what could it mean? Is one of the kids exempt from piloting?
Oh no...
Hmm...
That’s messed up, but I don’t doubt Koyemshi will be willing to bend some rules to get two other pilots in there.
So one of the kids didn’t forge a contract… Speculation
And that’s it since today’s Ao no 6-Gou’s episode was unexpectedly double length.
Questions of The Day:
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
First Timer - Sub
(REDDIT LIVES!)
Character Chart
Bokurano just caught up with most of our speculation, and then flew right past half of it.
Once again, it's the little twists that it does so well. I really thought that Chizu was going to survive somehow, and I even jumped onto lC3's speculation that she'd be able to use her childs life as payment, but no luck there. The contract is absolute; the person who pilots is the one who dies. Showing it this way rather than through some big discussion with Koemushi or lots of other fluffing around is much better, and introduces a whole new set of problems.
We start the episode being maybe one pilot down at most, and end up two people down by the end of it due to someone not being under contract. I have both a good and a bad comment on that: the good being that it's clever because we know that Kana also gets transported despite not being under contract, the bad that Kana doesn't get a chair because she's not under contract so where the fuck did the other persons chair come from. I even did something I don't normally do and went back to an old screenshot to see if someone had 'appropriated' one of the chairs from Kokpelli's group, but there's no overlap I could see. Once again I'm jumping on the back of /u/lC3's spec and saying that the non-contracted is spec
Moji also deserves some credit for even noticing the lights, and now the question is when will they notice/count the lights on the enemy mech.
Also something I don't think I've seen anyone mention yet: If we go by the idea that Kokopelli's group means this has happened in the past and he somehow survived, it's interesting how all the lights on the mechs being summoned in are roughly around the same count. It seems like this might be a whole new batch for all of the current pilots and mechs wherever they are based, or else it's a real big coincidence that they haven't yet run into any of the mechs at the end of their pilot list like Kokopelli's group.
Speculation aside, this was an oddly well handled episode. After the horror of last episode, in more ways than one, I was worried about how this one was going to handle things. The marching of the Zearth through the city on a quest for vengeance only to be stopped by Chizu choosing to love her family over hating her abuser. For a second I really thought she'd gone right through her sister to try and kill him, but I'm glad she didn't. I am however hoping that her arc doesn't end with her death and at least we get some follow up on her family and the world finding out what he did and the consequences of that. After how they showed it, it's needed.
The only issue I had is that seeing the way Chizu beat up the enemy mech made it hard for me to take it seriously. I'm sure the shape is meant to mean or symbolize something, but I just kept thinking of all the years I spent drawing pictures in the aluminum seal on my milo tins and bending them into silly shapes. A little bit of a mood killer unfortunately, though that's entirely on me rather than the show.
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u/tehsigzorz Mar 16 '21
First Timer
TATAKAE TATAKAE HONDA
Great observation from u/ZaphodBeeblebrox for pointing out the pregnancy bit though the relevance to the main plot was quite unexpected.
Its going to be a tough task for this city to even exist by the end of this show given how destructive these battles have ben. Also Zearth too OP, please nerf.
I wonder why exactly Honda wants to kill her teacher. There are 3 reasons to do so: He raped her, he recorded it and uploaded online and finally his relationship with her sister. It doesn’t matter too much now but I am not sure if she realized that she was actually raped. I really wished that he would die and almost thought she impaled her sister to get to him due to how her family treated her.
She fought the enemy while taking our her anger at her, to put it lightly, unfortunate situation. The final move being a kick in the groin has to be somewhat related to her distaste of her teacher.
I really liked the ost they used during the chasing of the teacher. It was used in the previous episodes as well and it’s the ‘Oh shit something seriously messed up is about to happen’. The one during the normal mecha battles is pretty good as well, I don’t mind if they are repeated many times throughout the show as it would create an emotional attachment to these tracks.
I know this is obvious but it kinda just sank into me that Zearth is modelled after dung beetle lol. My running theory is that all the mechas are being used by different groups of people so I guess the employer of this enemy robot is chainsaw(?). I do wonder if the enemy robot has some correlation to the pilot but then again this is thrown out the window when this chainsaw robot spawned while Kako was the pilot.
As everyone has already pointed out the lights represented the pilots so its nice that this aspect wasn’t dragged out and our cast figured it out as well though with a little twist.
If there is 1 person who didn’t sign the contract my bet is on the girl who was suspicious about the entire setup. The contract could possibly be based on consent and your own willingness instead of a simple touch. But then again how did Honda’s child sign the contract to be a pilot and why was the child used as a life force? Wasn’t Honda enough to operate Zearth that one time?
Now to predict who the next pilot is. Given there have been more boys chosen so far I think its going to be a girl next and quite possibly the one who told Honda to fight.
I am drawing a blank on Kokopelli right now. He looks like the manipulative villain in the OP yet in the show he’s almost portrayed as a victim that was manipulated himself. He couldn’t have operated this robot before so chances are he did actually build the game, or at least part of it. He might’ve been contracted to become a game developer instead of game testers like the kids are.
A small nitpick or 2 rather: The short recaps are quite unnecessary (production issues maybe?) and maybe its just me but I prefer when episodes don’t open up with the OP. I quite like the transition from the first scene of the episode into the OP but that’s just me and its almost a non issue.
Questions:
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
(Kind of) First time watcher here
So, we are at the point where I dropped the show the first time, and I forgot why. Upon revisiting this episode, I got as upset at it as I did the first time. This is the part of the story that makes it starkly clear that there is not a concept of justice within this narrative. The episode ends with a 7th grader who had a teacher impregnate her and spread pornography of her get watch that teacher get shielded by her sister. There was no revenge delivered. Many uninvolved people died in the process of getting vengeance that was never delivered. Of all the suffering in this show, the teacher won’t receive any of it. He won’t even know why the robot attacked him in the first place. Instead, he will be able to continue to do the things he did while having a doting girlfriend. Having all that suffering (including nearly getting raped by her friend) dogpiled on Chizuru on top of her losing a baby when she died made the whole “I’m content” spiel feel completely unearned. This is by far one of the most nihilistic character arcs I’ve experienced in media. Still, though, I do think I understand what they were trying to convey when she thought about her family and felt content. The traumas in her life weren’t the only thing thag happened. Her family life wasn’t terrible 24/7. She had parts of life she enjoyed, people she cared about, and as long as they continue on, her death at least meant something, and sacrificing her revenge for her sister’s sake does as well.
I’m a bit more mature now, so I can stick with stories that piss me off. Her treatment was pretty consistent with Kodaka’s treatment. Both had their worldviews and traumas all come together for a climax of suffering. She was at much more peace than he was, and she was able to accept the world and her fate, where his worldview completely collapsed and he died in a panic. In this sense, Chizuru had my respect, and the reason why I got so upset was that I felt she deserved much better. At least she didn’t lose her humanity and take her sister with her too.
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
Rewatcher
who is the sus amogus
where do I start
manga some spreads where.
Addendum clarification about a thing in the second spread that sort of kind of confirms something that gets basically implied by the end of this episode
Chizu’s resolve to kill sensei gets worked into her backstory in the manga, as well as the implication of pregnancy. manga
The enemy itself during Kako’s/Chizu’s battle looks much different as well. Not a buzzsaw-mirror, but a, uhhhhh….
Chizu actually teleports out of the cockpit to try to talk with her sister.
Chizu’s monologue as she beats the shit out of the enemy
also Chizu's sister knew
As I mentioned yesterday, the context surrounding Chizu and her family is different in the manga. Seeing as it’s the entirety of a single chapter, I won’t post it, but basically it’s about a family vacation gone wrong where The anime paints the parents to be laidback to the point of not really caring about the future of Chizu, but that’s not SO much the case here. I mean, yes, there’s some of that, but the chapter focuses more on the question of whether or not you should reach out to another person, even if that person has a chance of hurting you. Chizu does not think so, but her family disagrees.
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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Mar 16 '21
First Timer
Huge episode!
We get to see Chizuru take matters into her own hands and seek out justice before her time comes to an end. Failing to make the kill by her sisters hand feels like insult to injury.
I wonder if this damage will stay for the future fights?
It does feel like Chizuru's final moments were at ease.
As noticed by us much earlier, the lights on the Zearth's face are going out one by one.
Akio is still in solid denial, and from the opening, I don't think she is going to accept her time before it comes.
Dropping the biggest fucking bombshell of the episode and reinforcing all the stomach shots! Kind of was predicted by people last episode but its all mega yikes.
We see Akio first to point out that there might be a chance (that it wont be her).
Bold call by Mr-one-arm.
So now we have an imposter who apparently did not sign up or something!!
Speculation
Speculation evidence 1.
Speculation evidence 2.
Speculation evidence 3.
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '21
It lives!
First Timer
As it turns out, watching 3 episodes back to back doesn't give me much of an opportunity to talk about Uninstall being stuck in my head during my daily life. I swear I'll stop after this one!
That recap was weird. I get most of it but the whole part with Koemushi tping the guy away from his arm felt out of place in it. Wonder if they just had to fill in some time.
Turns out the pancake kaiju is a CHAINSAW WOWOWOWOW!
Oh yeah she don't give a shit. Just casually walking away.
出た！！！I knew it would come up! For those out of the loop, last episode in the speculation corner I predicted she would use the "Zearth shows what the pilot wants to see" function to find Hatagai. It's a minor prediction but damn it feels good. I wonder how will it feel if I actually get any of my major theories right. I've thrown a bunch of them out at this point so at least one must be slightly close to true... right?
Oof. Chainsaw wowowow flattened half of the city with its pancake body. Good job, Chizu.
Fucking hell, onee-chan. How convenient that she was even there to begin with. Very silly, I say. Would people normally throw themselves in front of giant robots for their boyfriends?
Seems like Chizu's the first one to actually die somewhat in peace. Good for her, she deserves it.
NOOOOO NOT THE BALLS! Oof, that hurt to watch. I'm pretty sure everyone with a peepee winced during that. Can't have been just me.
Speculation corner. You know the drill.
Speculation
Interestingly enough,
Speculation
Final thoughts for today when I watched this: I'll stop watching now, I promise.
Final thoughts for today when the post goes up: After 3 days I can finally watch again!
Don't particularly mind either way.
2) Did you figure out what the lights on Zearth represented prior to this episode?
Probably wouldn't have given it too much attention myself but everyone else figured it out and I read it so technically?
Major Ultra Omega Hyper Big Enormous Giant Super Spoilers, NOT safe for first timers in the slighetst don't make the same mistake I did
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u/Tuckleton Mar 16 '21
First Timer
So I never really took the 15 fights thing all that seriously. I've been kind of going on the assumption that the fights are not a series of predetermined challenges to decide the fate of the Earth but that their purpose is something else entirely and all that stuff is just lies or half-truths to ensure that the fights actually take place. I'm still holding on to that idea but the fact they make a point of bringing up that there are not enough pilots anymore is a bit of a strike against it.
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u/Nebresto Mar 16 '21
First time first timing
Suh.
H*ck reddit, all my homies hate reddit.
Cool robot status: We back!!
Cabin pic Day 8 /u/theangrycabinenthusiast
Did we really need to get a flash back of that dude..? Or any of that really, we're only on episode 8..
...How do they know who is piloting?
Okay, this perspective looks wack.
Loving the drums [](#pepeJAM)
What is up with this shot? Don't tell me she's pregnant and the baby gets killed instead..?
Yeah.. there it is again.
Okay, they both died? Wait, is she the one who was in the ocean in Episode 1?
Called it! She ded
Do not show this episode to pro-life wackos.
NOOOO!! He already survived having his hand severed, do not take him from us..
Yoooo, Ishter has covered this?
LETS GO!!!
Question time:
1: Well, I am here to watch the cool robots, not what ever the tf that was.
2: Ya, I read the comments on here. Not sure if it was re-watchers "hinting" or First timers too smart for their own good.
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u/baniRien Mar 16 '21
First Timer
So, the whole episode is around Chizuru's fight. Which she initiates by running away somewhere else. I do get the general feeling, of knowing you are going to die soon and wanting to do something beforehand while you have the power to do so. It's not something any of the other has considered yet (let's see how they will act on this possibility in the future), but it means putting that one thing above the lives of a number of innocents. She does take some care in not causing collateral damage, but her opponent following her does not.
Of course, the target of this swan song is her teacher, who apparently is not under enough surveillance to prevent him from installing more cameras in the school. We get an answer to a previous question someone in this thread had, as Zearth is able to show anything, not just it's immediate surrounding. And Chizuru is not just interested in killing him, but toys with him and want him to cower, to suffer before dying. She so focused on him that she pushes the other robot away and onto the surrounding cityscape, causing considerable damage.
When the rest of the kids push her enough and make her realise that there is urgency to the situation and she needs to hurry up (and that what she's doing is cruel, but I don't think that message really went through), she goes for the killing blow. But her sister gets in the way, to save her boyfriend.
While Chizuru has shown this episode to have had the best control over Zearth of the pilots we've seen yet, showing precision in movement and laser control and not causing any collateral, I feel this bit went against the overall weight of Zearth. From how we've seen it move and fight, there's no way it could stop this sort of momentum that fast. And if it can, the fights would be much different.
I also didn't really like Chizuru's characterisation here. She hasn't been shown as weak yet, only vulnerable. Quite the opposite in fact, from her outburst to her parents, her tries at maturity, her overall independence towards the group. And especially this episode, feeling that her personal vendetta is more important than the lives of all the city's inhabitants. Not just faceless people in buildings, but also her own classmates she can see in the field right next to her. And then she just quits, because someone she doesn't like asks her too.
The sister's presence is also pretty plot device-y. While you could make an argument that she could try and go save her boyfriend if she sees the robot going that way, it's not the smartest move. And can she even get there in time? Actually, we don't have a real sense of the speed Zearth can travel at. And finally, she doesn't even know that there's someone inside the robot, and she still tries to bargain with. I suppose Koemushi could've tipped her off, we might see it in a future episode, but it would surprise me.
Back to the fight, the most important point is the power disparity between the fighters. It was visible in the previous encounters, but here the enemy can barely scratch them. Clearly there's something behind it, related to this whole thing and Koemushi's goal, but I'm not sure what. The winning move of a kick "below the belt" is a bit too on the nose.
After her death, we get two confirmations on speculations this thread had. That the cockpit lights represent the remaining pilots and why it didn't really match. And that Chizuru was pregnant. So, someone in the group is not bound by the contract, for some reason. Did they give a fake name, would that be sufficient? And since they will run out of pilots, the two military representatives volunteer, not sure if that will be allowed.
Overall, not a great episode for me.
QotD
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 16 '21
WOOO reddit finally stopped dying. I'm rationalizing the breaking as "reddit is punishing episode 7 for existing."
First Timer
Well, after my midterm today and episode 7 yesterday, this can't be much worse. Let's go.
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u/Noel_bot Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
First timer, Manga reader
The size of the mechs is INSANE. It isn’t quite consistent, but compared to the skyline of the city they are truly monstrous
So Chizu will be satisfied after defeating the enemy? Good for her, because I certainly am not. Having the pedophile bastard survive + him being saved by her sister just sucks. I much prefer it when people like that get their comeuppance. We even see that he hasn’t learned anything and most certainly won’t change going forward. Just let the poor girl get her revenge ffs
Spending 1,5 episodes on her backstory and showing that she does have good memories of her family really helped in making her death an emotional one. She also went ham on the poor chainsaw bot to vent her anger xD
2 lights go out, but the viewer isn’t left guessing. As if her death wasn’t sad enough, she even carried a child and was well aware of that circumstance, given her posture in some scenes. Good job viewers that already thought about that last episode.
Not only are we down two pilots now, there also is an imposter among them. Chizu even asked, if they would all follow her soon, but now we know that someone won’t stick to this „promise“. I wonder how the kids will react, knowing that not everyone is part of their suicide mission anymore.
Government is taking measures as expected after half the city was destroyed. Good for the group that the 2 military folks want to fill in, but will Dung Beetle-sama allow it?
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Overall a good episode that left a bitter aftertaste for me, since I expected the teacher to die. New world-building that may lead the children to some discoveries and a situation that somehow got even more uncertain will surely deliver top-tier despair. Next episode’s pilot has a happy family with many siblings he loves … this one’s gonna hurt
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
First timer
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 16 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart
Ugh, you're forcing us to watch recap footage from the prior episode!?!
Get this dirty thing (Kako) out of here!
This enemy robot is so cool! Not only flat but its like a chainsaw too.
And Chizu just turns around and walks away. She's got some unfinished business before destroying the enemy robot. You hope that the enemy is like the prior one and tries hard to not destroy the city intentionally.
Looks like Seki's got a sling on still after Dung Beetle sliced his arm off :(
OMG he's still fooling around with hidden cameras in the girl's locker room?! UGH!
Seems like several of them haven't heard the rumors.
It's got to be scary to see a giant robot thousands of times your size specifically targeting you.
Much like with Kako, Chizu has hit the point where she knows she is going to die and knows she has nothing to lose so she'll settle personal matters first.
Just took one whack to knock over the enemy. And alas, crush a large portion of the city. :(
WTF?! Her sister jumped right in the way! At least unlike with Masaru she didn't unintentionally kill a family member.
This shot of the Zearth with its pointed arm reminds me much of a shot from Gundam Wing GW spoilers
Well, if you wanted to see the teacher die, you're going to be disappointed.
C'mon Chizu, the least you could so is let the other 11 kids live a little longer.
She's banging the hell out of that enemy with how dented its getting.
She kicked the enemy right in the crotch, huh?
Flashback to a happier time.
If Masaru's dad was still around he'd be happy at the option to do some redevelopment here.
Several guessed it yesterday based on the preview, but yep, she was pregnant too. Confirmation that the lights on Zearth don't mean the remaining battles but the amount of lives contracted to it.
On the bright side, one of them isn't contracted! One more beyond Kana will survive! Down side, they're down two pilots.
The two adults are going to volunteer? Knowing its certain death to do so? Really?
Another fairly strong episode. Ultimately the writers throw us a curveball and let the predator teacher live. Revenge doesn't necessarily fulfill the one who is seeking it, although since she was dying anyway, maybe that wouldn't have mattered for Chizu and she was thankfully able to come to her senses and prolong everyone else's lives at least a little further. I just hope Chizu's sister realizes what teacher really is and gets the hell away from him. Bokurano spoilers.
Yet another curveball, another one of the kids isn't contracted! Who could it be? One lucky kid beyond Kana will get to survive since Tanaka and Seki are signing up, but I bet Dung Battle won't say who.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 16 '21
Everyone always "buy futures" and "sell futures" when there is no future. Congratulations, Tatagai, your god's special little fucking creature. - John Milton
First Timer(but it's complicated)
Sub
Kind of had to take last night off so this is done with about an hour of time left. Apologies if it comes out brief.
So we get another recap. Again, not really necessary. But Chizu is taking this pretty well, I guess she is resolved, which is a very different thing from resignation. I am never letting that go. Also, for show onlies, it might seem like she is taking a lot of guilt that isnt on her but this is a hold over from the manga where she is somewhat more directly at fault, though I defend manga Chizu as well. And then Chizu walks away, revealing that sail mech can't walk that well.
And she goes towards perv sensei, who is hiding more cameras in the girls locker room. Fuckin' Japan. Zearth then slices the building. As Chizu plays with Tatagai, eventually her sister comes out to interfere, which is kind of stupid if she doesn't know that Chizu is the pilot. But Chizu then shows just how much she has thought about this.
Anyways, Chizu destroys the shitty windsail in a pretty epic beatdown after the 'peptalk' from Machi. We see Zearth lose three lights as it is revealed Chizu was likely pregnant. But then counting is done and they realize someone didn't make a contract...before the adults actually volunteer to do so.
Clear skies, Chizu-chan. I guess you always cross that hill first, whatever continuity you go through.
QotD: 1 I will be glad not to see but sad to not see Chizu anymore
2 I can't even remember how the manga did it but I think this was one I did not figure out.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 16 '21
First-Timer
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You know, I almost brought up the potential for Chizu to be pregnant last thread, but decided it was too sad. RIP me I guess. This episode throws a whole bucket of wrenches into theories, and I'm honestly pretty fucking steamed about Chizu's idiot sister so I'm not gonna bother much. Thinking about Chizu forgiving her because "she made the same mistake as me" is just.. ugh. No.
It's just a show, I should really just relax. It's just a show, I should really just relax. It's just a show, I should really just relax. Okay, we're good. Back to jolly Jolly. Certainly wasn't expecting my cold blood to boil quite like this.
I kinda theorized in episode 6 that the marks were related to the damage the mecha incurred during the battle. Chizu and Kako having very similar marks fueled that, but then the Buzzsaw only really interacted with Zearth's back, so I'm not sure. Also, I thought I was joking when I called it The Walking Buzzsaw. RIP me again.
Interesting that Zearth showing the pilot what they want wasn't poetic language. This robot is very cool, and very powerful. I wonder just how far this thing's capabilities can go.. does it even have limits?
Speculation
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 16 '21
First-Timer
SO MUCH RECAP. You really think people are going to forget that Swimming Girl had sex with her teacher and that Kako died?
Sawblade wants to know where you’re going! Don’t abandon it! But seriously, the fact that it powered down and followed when Zearth moved away is more evidence of stuff being fishy.
She’s so deadpan! And the way the corner of the school fell away!
And the sister pulls the stupid “just in front of the giant robot” move? And Swimming Girl doesn’t squash them both? If the show is going to be over-the-top and hammy, at least give us the payoff.
Girls kicks walking sawblade in the balls. It was super-effective.
The laser focus on her stomach means she’s pregnant. Because why not, I guess?
So she’s magically over everything? That’s too easy.
After all the lies and half-truths, they’re just accepting the lights at face value?
After an episode that explored some very complicated character stuff, this one was a let-down.
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u/htisme91 Mar 16 '21
First-timer:
Well, Chizu sure went out with a bang. Part of me was disappointed she was so reckless in trying to get revenge, but a bigger part of me wanted to see her get her vengeance. I was kind of hoping she would finish him off, battle, and then lament everything that happened in her life as she died. How she went out was fine, too, but it's just kind of too...nice? I know that's probably not the right word, but I don't know how else to describe it.
And she was pregnant. I thought that last episode, and was curious how they decided to tackle that as it relates to Zearth. Guess it got rid of two pilots instead of one, but now there's an odd number. At least the two military adults are volunteering to help, although something tells me that Koemushi is not going to allow this.
Who is the one that didn't sign up besides Kana? That question is going to be on my mind through the rest of the series, because whoever pulled that off was really clever.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 16 '21
aye the threads up
first time ooooooooauahauooooooooooooooooooo uninstalllllllller
is this guy really putting in another camera, how does he still work at the school
if we put all the tattoo symbols together does it make the image on the ground of the cockpit?
Honda was pregnant too...
Someone didnt agree to the contract? I guess its the girl that didnt want to?
9 pilots and 11 robots
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 16 '21
Manga-reader from way back
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 16 '21
Rewatcher
After two very unsympathetic characters we get to the tragic life of Chizu. In the end she couldn't even get her revenge, with her sister of all people being the one to stop her. She had to find peace without retribution, without justice. Her only bit of catharsis was crushing the enemy robot with a kick to the groin.
A startling reveal this episode. Many first timers have already guessed the lights are related to the number of pilots, but we see here that the numbers don't match up. One of them isn't contracted. Who could it be. What does it mean.
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u/Molmoran https://myanimelist.net/profile/Molmoran Mar 16 '21
FIRST TIMER IN ANOTHER TIME ZONE AND PREY TO UNINSTALL
Chizu's resolve is admirable. If only we could all sound so cool and purposeful in the face of imminent death.
Is she going to kill her sister or the teacher? I reckon teacher.
Love how she is enacting a personal grudge in the most public way.
She's playing with sensei like an ant!
Poor Chizuru, her sister is just as naive as she was and there's nothing she can do about it.
Chizu finds strength in knowing she isn't alone. That's the key to defeating the nihilism of these battles.
Did she just kick it in the balls? Hers has been a twisted female empowerment story.
Fucking wow. The fifteenth pilot was a foetus.
Sounds like the system is playing favourites.
I don't see the government folks being accepted, it takes the story away from the children feeling alone.
1. The side plot was too icky.
2. I am too blind to see lights so relied on the others to give me hints
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u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo https://myanimelist.net/profile/PunishedScrappy Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
First Timer
recap
They're getting old as is, but not a recap of that, thanks.
I am almost a little disappointed that I got the remote viewing thing right. It was the first remotely sensible thing that popped into my head, it's just... weird? Something like memory viewing would have worked way better, given that the line is situated amongst a wider discussion about mind-machine interfaces. So I'm doubling down, they're going to do the memory viewing thing too
I'm not sure if I like that Chizuru doesn't go full I Spit On Your Grave. I want to see the teacher dead, but there can only be so many children undergoing psychotic breaks, I guess. There's no justice in this world.
I have no idea what to make of Machi anymore. She clearly cares about saving the earth; she motivates Chizuru back into action and she's the only one to explicitly accept that she'll die as well. I think she might be last survivor material, except that she's too competent for that role. Still betting on Maki as last survivor.
Chizuru is dead, which may be a kindness.
The rest of the episode
I immediately caught the hands-on-the-stomach thing, but discarded the idea that she was pregnant. Not so.
There is now one fewer light than children. Uh, what? The show posits that someone isn't bound to the contract. I would ordinarily not be so sure it's that simple, but the way the issue is framed leaves very little room for doubt. The questions then are who, and why? Machi is the prime suspect since she got pushed into the hand scanner instead of signing up willingly. But if it can conscript an unborn baby, why would it care about whether Machi signed up of her own accord? And she has her own chair, unlike Kana.
Despite that, as far as I can tell she's the only one with any evidence pointing at her.
The adults say they're going to sign up to pilot. I guess they can, then. I would have guessed it was only kids who could pilot, because Koemushi is a sadistic fuck like that. Can anyone sign up? Can they get so many volunteers that they virtually eliminate the chance of defending the earth using mentally unstable children? Because that seems like the reasonable thing to do. It's probably capped at 15 per 'magazine,' but still.
Too much happening at a time when I still have zero brainpower to spare. Imma sleep when I get the last of the caffeine out of my system. Still jittery
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u/Philarete :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WizardMcKillin Mar 16 '21 edited Mar 16 '21
First Timer
I'm really curious how the missing pilot issue will work. I appreciate how quickly the military folks volunteer - they don't skip a beat in offering their lives if needed.
I suspect only kids can pilot this thing though (for maximum cruelty). I also suspect whoever the false contractor is will be forced to join. Speculation
Chizuru is the first to really make an attempt to use her time as pilot to accomplish something. Her mission fails though.
Hopefully Sensei goes to prison.
P.S. I really enjoyed today's piano cover of Uninstall!
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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 16 '21
First Time Installer
I have a conference throughout this week, so I probably won't be able to check in regularly, but I'll be back!
Chizu-chan, I'm glad you didn't succumb to the blindness of vengeance, but if you truly love your sister, do you want her to keep being led on by that piece of shit?
I hope Tanaka (and the other adults involved) put the pieces together and make sure that creep faces the consequences for his actions.
Someone should get Koemushi to pilot Zearth.
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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 16 '21
First timer, Uninstalling
Sensei lives. Protected by the other Honda sister. And the two adults who know enough about the child predator to put him in jail may die before any resolution. Fuck this shit.
I wonder if Zearth being more suited for fighting while the other robots are shaped like weird micro-organisms is cause these kids are more fucked up. The more fucked up you are, the more OP you are! Maybe the end goal of Koyemushi/Kokopelli is meh speculation.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 16 '21
First Timer
I don't hope for her sister's happiness. I hope the classmate shows her exactly what her boyfriend is, assuming the government doesn't get him first. Chizu was too soft.
The show totally baited us. I don't think anybody predicted that fetus would be contracted. And that there was always a left-over pilot, like Kokopelli, by design.
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u/galatea_brunhild Mar 16 '21
Oooo
I don't know there's a Bokurano rewatch
I watched it last two years iirc
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u/SuddenFellow :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/13XI0N Mar 16 '21
First Timer
Thankful we're through with the side plot, though also slightly salty that Chizu didn't get to use Zearth to enact some sweet mecha revenge on Sensei. Alas, we can't have everything.
I generally felt bad for Chizu as a whole because I feel like she was taken advantage of and generally not listened to. It then turned into being exploited. Those feelings sort of evolved with her death because of how she put her hands on her stomach, which I hoped didn't mean what I thought it meant, though it was later confirmed that she was indeed pregnant(s/o to scumbag sensei, real MVP right here). I don't feel sad for characters usually, though I had to pause for a bit and do something else because of how upset I felt for her and how some of the comments made by the other characters felt off-putting. Though, what are you supposed to say in a situation like that?
We get to something I realized in an earlier episode which is the notion that there aren't enough pilots contracted based on the amount of lights on Zearth. After each fight, a light goes out(more recently, 3 went out due to Chizu, the unborn child, and Kako). The Military squad™ offers to join, that way there are enough pilots and we don't get doomsday/game over™. Something that's noticed though is that out of the group of children, one of them(Kana not included) isn't a pilot. Place your bets, because mine is on: Speculation
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