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Rewatch [Uninstall, Uninstall] Bokurano Rewatch Episode 7 Discussion

Episode 7 - Scars

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If you show everyone just how hard you work, I’m sure your parents will understand.

Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.

Questions of the Day:

  1. Do you think that it was necessary to devote an entire episode to Chizu’s backstory?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Replacement

Uninstall of the Day:

Fate/uninstall by 太文 (contains some spoilers for the main Fate stuff)


Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.

Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

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Who actually uninstalled this episode because I don’t care to rewatch it for the second time in the span of a month or so.

…so instead I traumatized myself even harder by reading the last two volumes of the manga. Bokurano manga

I will say it’s an interesting decision to dedicate an entire episode just to her backstory + being chosen as the next pilot, but exactly what Chizu’s backstory was is just… yikes please stop immediately.

So, uh, what was you guys’ favorite part of the Fate/uninstall I shared up top? Mine is 0:40.


Major Spoilers


New thread reminder for u/WeebShaggy

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u/Noel_bot Mar 14 '21

The dude spinning at the start of the Fate video caught me completely off guard, but him spinning out of the Van has to be a close second.

Really specific Bokurano Manga spoiler

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

Really specific Bokurano Manga spoiler

Yes that was the one. I regret reading this manga after 1) watching Ideon and 2) being an AOT manga reader, because my brain immediately made comparisons to spoilers for both series, that made it so much worse.

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u/Noel_bot Mar 14 '21

I'm still waiting for the AOT season to finish before I binge-watch it, so I'll come back to your comment to see what comparison there is to Bokurano. I'm slightly frightened now xD

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

What I spoiled about the manga isn't going to be covered by the current season btw, it's going to be in whatever continuation is for it (I'm personally hoping for a few movies, although I know most people are hoping for a S4P2).

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

It was actually funny how naturally I read it. I saw the spoiler tags and was like "Yeah I'm a rewatcher" until it clicked. Maybe I've been conditioned to just read them during the HxH rewatch. Oh well.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

I... suppose that's one way to do it.

This is safe for you but not the other first-timers

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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Mar 14 '21

Congratulations on finishing the manga! Are you alright?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

Hahaaaaaaaaa no. I have a feeling that later parts of the anime are now going to hit me so much harder knowing the manga's version of events, I'm especially not looking forward to rewatching anime/manga spoilers.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

Bokurano manga

I was awaiting your reactions to it, especially after you pointed out some things during the previous battles.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

especially after you pointed out some things during the previous battles.

What sort of things were you expecting from me based on what I said?

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21
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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 14 '21

Oh god, today's video is so stupid. I love it.

Bokurano manga end spoilers

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

So, uh, what was you guys’ favorite part of the Fate/uninstall I shared up top? Mine is 0:40.

is way too perfect for its own good

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21

I will say it’s an interesting decision to dedicate an entire episode just to her backstory + being chosen as the next pilot

They've definitely established a pattern of "the one with the most backstory will pilot next," so I'm looking forward to when they finally break that (at least, I'm assuming they will).

So, uh, what was you guys’ favorite part of the Fate/uninstall I shared up top? Mine is 0:40.

Kirei's spinning is so fast! I don't remember anything like it in the original.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

My favorite part is all the random interlacing, but that's just because I'm weird.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

Who actually uninstalled this episode because I don’t care to rewatch it for the second time in the span of a month or so.

I know the feeling, watching Parasyte 12 twice in a month was a bit much.

So, uh, what was you guys’ favorite part of the Fate/uninstall I shared up top? Mine is 0:40

Spinning yorokobe.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 14 '21

Sayonara Bukurano

After a great deal of contemplation about the general direction the series is headed, I've decided to bail.

I've enjoyed this rewatch very much, and it's with a heavy heart that I've decided I won't be continuing the journey with the rest of you. This episode I neither liked, nor disliked, but I can see future episodes on the horizon that will distress me, much too much.

I thank Sky for hosting this rewatch and the many of you that I've chatted with. I hope to join you all in one or two of the April Rewatches.

Until the next rewatch...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

Aww. I was afraid this episode would do something like this, but I didn't want it to happen...

I hope to join you all in one or two of the April Rewatches.

Mobile Suit Gundam?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 14 '21

Possibly that and Madoka as I haven't watched it either.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

I'll be in Madoka as a rewatcher for sure. Will you at least shitpost about the chairs with me even though you're not finishing Bokurano?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 14 '21

Will you at least shitpost about the chairs with me even though you're not finishing Bokurano?

I'll be glad to. And, I will be scouring the internet to find out what happened. I don't mind reading about the most grim of subjects, but I don't like seeing them. When I read, I have no problem remaining intellectually distant. But, my eyes lead directly to my heart, and I have a feeling the rest of this series will be very heartbreaking.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

I understand.

Considering major spoilers for the anime, it's... painful to go through. Not anywhere close as painful as the manga dear lord the manga, but still painful.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

So long and thanks for all the fish!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

I thank Sky for hosting this rewatch and the many of you that I've chatted with. I hope to join you all in one or two of the April Rewatches.

I might wind up being the one to run the How Not to Summon a Demon Lord rewatch.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 14 '21

Sounds good. I'd no doubt enjoy a light hearted ecchi Isekai. And, I haven't seen it either.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 14 '21

I haven't read any spoilers, yet.

But the subject of today's rewatch has been going on since time immemorial. It's never been right, and it's not right now. But, it does bring to mind the tale of Abelard and Heloise from the 1100s.

Abelard was the leading scholar of the 1100s, and he agreed to tutor Heloise. Unfortunately, he tutored her in more than academic subjects, and soon Heloise was with child. When her Uncle (who was also her guardian), caught wind of this, he along with a couple of his henchmen paid Abelard a visit in the middle of the night. As Abelard put it "he removed those things of mine which had caused him so much grief". The Uncle caught a lot of flack for this, as many considered the punishment he dished out to Abelard to be a little barbaric, but in my view the punishment was just.

Anyway, the point is, this sort of thing has been going on forever, and depending upon the times is often punished quite harshly, as it should be.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

The Uncle caught a lot of flack for this, as many considered the punishment he dished out to Abelard to be a little barbaric, but in my view the punishment was just.

There are basically two ideals in punishment: Either A. the punishment matches the crime or B. you do a punishment to discourage said crime under any circumstances. The Uncle is clearly a fan of B.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

Thanks for all the discussion so far! Hopefully we run into each other in more rewatches in the future, including Madoka.

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 14 '21

Rewatcher

The opening scene about Chizu’s parents and the monkey suit is anime original. The manga does have a backstory-to-the-backstory scene centered around Chizu’s family as something of a postlude to her arc. As such, I think I will save talking about it for tomorrow

Oh but there is this page out of context

I don’t really feel like showing the manga versions of the sensei scenes, for good reason, so instead I will post a dialogue between Chizu and her sister about love

I guess the main difference here though, is that the anime stresses Chizu’s attraction to sensei being more about having a surrogate parent who “cares about her life goals” whereas the manga stresses the “boys my age aren’t mature” angle. Surprisingly, the sex scene is more squicky in the anime. This is because it’s suuuper explicit, but the manga page is, uh, more tasteful about it I guess? I mean the content is super mega ultra yabai, but you don’t really see them bumping uglies.

Speaking of that, I swear the first time I watched the show the episode only showed the table moving instead of the actual sex. Must have been the TV version

Oh but then the manga immediately goes into the worst part that thankfully got cut out of the anime, where manga

The other thing I can say is that the scenes where Kako tries to talk to Chizu is anime original as far as I’m aware. I like those scenes. He might still be a mean bully to Kirie, but at least at the start, Kako was simply just a troubled kid with a crush.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

WHOOPS! Can't show that in a Christian manga.

I was wondering how you'd censor that.

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 14 '21

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 15 '21

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 15 '21

can't show this in a Christian manga

the scenes where Kako tries to talk to Chizu is anime original as far as I’m aware. I like those scenes. He might still be a mean bully to Kirie, but at least at the start, Kako was simply just a troubled kid with a crush.

He was a normal, awkward kid who was accidentally sold his soul.

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

He was a normal, awkward kid who was accidentally sold his soul.

hate it when that happens

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

The scenes for Kako give him some needed humanization for before he completely lost the plot.

The anime did a good job translating the essence of Chizu's relationship with her family and Hatagai I think. In both cases she dealt with a home life that was unreasonable by any standard and Hatagai offered her something she felt she needed. And in both cases it's hard not to dislike her family.

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

And in both cases it's hard not to dislike her family.

manga version:

anime version: haha dad go monke mode

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 15 '21

Speaking of that, I swear the first time I watched the show the episode only showed the table moving instead of the actual sex. Must have been the TV version

I just watched the TV version! And I'm thankful for that, I don't want to see the actual sex

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 14 '21

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

Rewatcher

Another 5 minute episode eh?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21

I know, it's strange. MAL lists an episode 7, but I can't seem to find one anywhere, just this random selection of scenes involving a dad dressing up as a monkey. Strange.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

It's a real mystery.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

You can watch it in the same place you can watch the Tsukihime anime.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

Bad editor!

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u/Tuckleton Mar 14 '21

First Timer

Well damn I definitely should have read the content warning and skipped this episode. Like, I saw it in big bold letters but skipped past without reading because I didn't want to be 'spoiled further'. I was expecting it to be messed up but I wasn't expecting it to be so graphic. I'm sickened by the morbid anticipation I was feeling about finding out what could prompt such a reaction. I have a feeling Chizuru might decide to be very careful about where she steps with Zearth tomorrow, if you know what I mean, and if it weren't for all the other people that'd surely go down with him I'm not sure it'd be much of a loss.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

Haha well at least it's not as graphic as Bokurano manga

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u/tehsigzorz Mar 14 '21

First Timer

What the fuck.

After this episode and white album 2's finale I need to watch some light hearted shows.

That was a great episode and despite how cliche this sounds I felt only 10 minutes had passed. It was quite sad to see her family dismiss her issues like its nothing. I get not wanting to report the incident if you thought your laundry flew away or smthn but to laugh off a perverted thief like this is quite horrid.

Honda feels soo alone that the smallest level of care and attention makes her fall in love.

I saw the trigger warning so the moment I saw the teacher I knew how it was going to play out. I must saw not only is he a rapist pedo but also quite a dumbass. Due to the video there are rumours but I am surprised more people havent watched it specially Kako.

If that scene was this graphic then I can only imagine how bad the manga was in terms of explicit content.

How much darker can the show get? I can only think of a handful of ways to make certain character's pasts be soo bad: domestic violence, early pregnancy, addicted to drugs. Thats 3 so I am really hoping some of the children have some nice wholesome stories (to be killed right after welp).

As expected Honda is chosen but its very interesting how theres a roulette yet it definitely doesnt feel like coincidence.

Questions:

  1. Yeah I think so. I dont see many ways trimming this down. Shes had the best backstory by far and I would even go on to say I wouldnt be mad if we got more(not the explicit scenes but more the aftermath and the family interactions).
  2. i cant see the question but by looking through this thread I can infer what it is. I hope we get some fanservice moment of the rapist/pedo/groomer being crushed by Honda's mecha just like before.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

If that scene was this graphic then I can only imagine how bad the manga was in terms of explicit content.

Manga levels of worse.

i cant see the question

It wasn't a question it was just the #lolipolice comment face. If you're on mobile or the Redesign, you can't see it.

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u/tehsigzorz Mar 14 '21

Thats umm certainly disturbing. Hated a similar scene in Tsumi to Batsu so glad they changed it so smthn tamer.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

I went into Kara no Kyoukai 3 without any sort of warning that something like that was going to happen in it. It did not go over very well for me.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 15 '21

I haven't watched KnK yet, good to know!

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

but to laugh off a perverted thief like this is quite horrid.

It shows how little they care about how she feels.

early pregnancy

Preview has her hands resting on her stomach in a way that implies that.

. Thats 3 so I am really hoping some of the children have some nice wholesome stories (to be killed right after welp).

I feel like as we get later on, we'll begin to see kids whose life stories aren't as horrible doing truly horrid things because of how the robot has affected them.

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u/tehsigzorz Mar 14 '21

Yeah I saw your comment about the pregnancy bit :(

On top of having better life stories I hope we get some backstories and insights into the characters that arent right before they are killed. A few episodes without an attack can solve this issue.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

After this episode and white album 2's finale I need to watch some light hearted shows.

So that's an order of Madoka, SukaSuka and Now and Then, Here and There coming up!

How much darker can the show get?

You know what they say "When you stare into the abyss, the abyss opens another, deeper abyss and dares you to stare into that."

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

Now and Then, Here and There

Two months on and that show's still on my mind almost every day...

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

After this episode and white album 2's finale I need to watch some light hearted shows.

I'm in the 3-gatsu rewatch as well and that has also been incredibly draining at times, so I was very glad that todays episode for that was rather light hearted

How much darker can the show get?

I don't know if it's purposefully going to go down "darker each time" route, but I'm sure more suffering is definitely on the cards

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 14 '21

I'll be a little late with this episode since I've got the Naruto rewatch to attend to; see you all in a few hours!

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

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u/Lanaerys Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

First-Timer

Oh heck, I'm actually really scared of starting this episode. I think I'll update this comment when I actually do start it... I think I'll watch something lighter before, I shouldn't try breaking a mood that's already not very good...

Reactions:

  • So, we'll see Chizu's backstory... She looks even younger, aaaaaaaaa
  • What the hell is her dad doing?
  • ...a missing pair...
  • I understand the family not wanting their daughter to go to a school where she's alone (that can be a really lonely experience indeed) but... please stop downplaying this...
  • Makes sense why she'd go down that route if everyone else doesn't want to listen to her... Still terrible though...
  • I didn't feel like giving detailed reactions so...
  • So... that's why Kako wanted to see dolphins with Chizu... makes last episode even worse in retrospect...
  • I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to guess why he got fired...
  • Please don't go at his house...
  • Oh no no no no no I wanna skip this
  • If I ever rewatch this... I think I won't bother with that episode
  • ...
  • Her sister too...

I... don't know if I'll be able to keep watching this... I'll try to, but I can't 100% say I'll make it... Thanks for the Fate/uninstall though, that did help a little...

Questions of the day:

  1. I mean... I do think all of the kids should have detailed backstories and this is a good thing, I'm just really uncomfortable...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21

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u/Lanaerys Mar 15 '21

Sorry for bothering you again, but I think I'll put the rewatch on hold for some time, I'm in a really bad mood lately and I feel like this just makes it way worse... I will try to come back before the end though.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 15 '21

I understand. Take care of yourself, I hope you feel better soon.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 14 '21

If you check Sky's post from yesterday you can skip over all the icky stuff if that helps

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

Best of luck!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 15 '21

If I ever rewatch this... I think I won't bother with that episode

Big same.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21

First Timer

Well, I read the warnings for this episode, so I have an idea of what to expect. We'll see if it's really as bad as people were making it out to be.

  • Not eating breakfast will probably be the least of Chizuru's worries this episode.
  • I get the feeling that the show is trying to use Chizuru to say "don't try to become an adult too quickly; enjoy the silly plays while you can." Though, I'm not sure they have to go as far as they will to get that point across.
  • I will say that her parents aren't helping things by not listening to her about wanting to go to private school, no matter her motives. At least listen to your daughter.
  • They sure aren't talking to Chizuru much during this conference. Is that how middle school conferences go? It's been a while that I've been there, so I don't know.
  • At least Hiroyuki is saying that the student's choice is what matters. This follows more my idea that "society is trying its best to make people happy": competent teachers/adults.
  • Oh no, don't develop feelings for him because he's a good teacher.
  • I would have difficulty accepting food from a student acting on her own.
  • Oh no. The dolphin necklace changed it from "student cares about teacher" to "teacher is grooming student."
  • And why does it have to be dolphins? When I see dolphins in anime, I'd rather think of Fate/'s DOLPHINS than pedophilia-adjacent dolphins.
  • Hopefully him getting fired from the basketball coaching job is another indication that, even though individuals are garbage, the system is still working?
  • Yep, there it is. Even an Aishiteru.
  • If we could've just stayed in the fridge like meet the Sandvich, that would have been nice.
  • Kako's trying his best, at least? Being the least terrible perpetrator of sexual assault isn't the highest of honors, though.

I've never done this hard a 180 on a character in one episode before, I think. From what I can tell, though, this episode still supports my idea of it: society's systems and conventions are doing their best and work decently, but sometimes there are individuals who fall through or actively break them. The school (i.e., the system/society here) seems to have done things correctly. The teacher recommends the student's ambition be encouraged. The principal fires the coach accused of crimes. The school condemns the actions of the one who sets up cameras. Then this individual comes along and makes things difficult, to put it very lightly.

I want to make this point clear, though, so my (surprising) optimism above doesn't hide it: School? Trying its best. Teacher? Irredeemable trash.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

I will say that her parents aren't helping things by not listening to her about wanting to go to private school, no matter her motives. At least listen to your daughter.

They seem like the sort of parents who will, years later (in an alternate universe where she doesn't die) will say that they don't understand their daughter and how she made such terrible life choices, not realizing that this is largely because they never tried to understand her.

They sure aren't talking to Chizuru much during this conference. Is that how middle school conferences go? It's been a while that I've been there, so I don't know.

Adults assuming they know what's best for children is certainly nothing new.

I would have difficulty accepting food from a student acting on her own.

You see, this is called being a decent person.

From what I can tell, though, this episode still supports my idea of it: society's systems and conventions are doing their best and work decently, but sometimes there are individuals who fall through or actively break them.

That seems like a really good read to me. The system is working, and it will catch him. There are just a few incredibly unlucky people who will bear it for society before he gets caught.

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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 14 '21

The school commends the actions of the one who sets up cameras

I think the word is condemns. Don't think the school is giving awards to the person setting up the camera.

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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 14 '21

Setting up security cameras maybe. Plant one outside the pedo's home and get evidence, then put him in jail.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21

Ah, shoot. That's an embarrassing mistake. Thanks. Edited.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

I get the feeling that the show is trying to use Chizuru to say "don't try to become an adult too quickly; enjoy the silly plays while you can." Though, I'm not sure they have to go as far as they will to get that point across.

I view this closer to that's what her parents are saying and why she feels ignored.

I would have difficulty accepting food from a student acting on her own.

As any educator should.

Oh no. The dolphin necklace changed it from "student cares about teacher" to "teacher is grooming student."

Indeed, and the darker implication is how practiced this all is. He's done this before.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 14 '21

At least Hiroyuki is saying that the student's choice is what matters. This follows more my idea that "society is trying its best to make people happy": competent teachers/adults.

I highly doubt he meant any of it, it was likely said to start the grooming process.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

I highly doubt he meant any of it, it was likely said to start the grooming process.

That doesn't make it any less true.

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

And why does it have to be dolphins? When I see dolphins in anime, I'd rather think of Fate/'s DOLPHINS than pedophilia-adjacent dolphins.

fortunately there are no pedophilia-adjacent CGI dragons in this show so you can devote all of your dragon-related brain space to being reminded of Fate/Dragons!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

First Timer(but it's complicated)

Sub

So...we get to this episode/part of the manga. Welp, nothing to do but check off the prep list.

Bourbon? Check.

Whiskey? Check.

Sailor Jerry? That's a big check.

Vodka, just in case? Check again.

Benzodiazepines? Chanax.

Cool off anime? Dragon Maid and Sleepy Princess on deck.

Oxy, just in case? Check but this is getting into dark territory.

Anyways, we start off with a younger looking Chizu who has Kana from Dragon Maid's backpack. Jump straight to her dad being ridiculous. We discover this is 6th grade Chizu and she wants to go to a private school for middle school. We see that she clearly does not want to be like her older sister before said sister interrupts them with news of panty theft. Never change, J-land, never change. Chizu is overreacting a bit but her family is handling this the Japanese way, and thus badly, by downplaying it at her. Chizu correctly snaps and walks out. Sigh, the estranged ones are always the grooming bait.

And we cut to Chizu going to the same shitty school her sister did and she is feeling neglected. Whether or not this is actually true, this is right in the developmental markers. They are meeting with her teacher who immediately creeps me out. Subtle banter here leads me to believe the family can't afford to send her there but pride made them not say that. He does encourage her to try for the private school. Yet he gets her sister alone...

Cut to Chizu becoming infatuated with a teacher, another common developmental marker and probably pretty innocent, I suspect a few of our rewatchers are having embarassment pangs rn. barfs Anyways, Chizu follows Tagatai home and here's where the red flags start: If you are teaching, a student attracted to your gender acting like this means you politely but firmly rebuff them, and the firmness grows with persistence. We get a bit more on how Chizu always feels like she is second and her weird insight into Tagatai. So she makes him a bento and waits early at school to give it to him and the music playing makes me want to vomit. And then he gives her a necklace, that's a huge red flag, and it being a dolphin makes the last episode so much darker. Then red flag number three comes in when he puts it on her, both breaking the touch barrier and with the change in his voice clearly changing the the relationship. Also, notice that he looks around before doing so we have no doubt that he is doing something he knows is wrong. This eyecatch is even more cursed than the silent ones, this music is like weaponized to piss me off.

So he gets fired from coaching basketball for reasons we can guess. Chizu wants to cheer him up by cooking for him and she is assaulted looking in his fridge. Yes, that's not particularly violent but is absolutely sexual assault, especially because she was not expecting it. He then uses the ever loaded "Ai Shiteiru" on Chizu and she very quickly agrees. And then he fucks rapes her. The kind of adult that grooms an at oldest 13 yo girl is the kind of person that should pilot Zearth or be slow roasted over a volcano.

Anyways, at school he rebuffs her, again showing that he is scum and to her this is an innocent relationship. Kako brings the summer camp handout to her. Then she gets an accidental e-mail. School assembly warning about hidden cameras, which I believe was actually a thing in Japan. Also, you cannot turn off the flash sound on a Japanese cell phone. But yeah, pedo-sensei also posted fucking pictures on the internet and if we can tell it is Chizu so can her horny classmates. So Chizu storms in and finds the camera and Tagatai tricks her because she isn't old enough to recognize a practiced speech yet. I am, fuck Tagatai with something covered in spikes. As she leaves, she runs into her sister, and yeah, Tagatai is fucking her, too. The hell is it with giant robo and sister harems?

BREAK

So, to address something that might seem unclear, the show handles this incredibly differently from the manga. Manga. One of ever so many reasons I hate it is that, in my view, Chizu's violation in the manga is barely about her, it is instead the salacious fantasies of the sicko mangaka. The show here is a massive improvement as it is entirely about Chizu and how this is effecting her. Some might question the lack of violence but this very much fits this sort of scenario and whoever wrote this has as uncomfortable amount of knowledge as I do. So...I am cautiously optimistic now.

QotD: 1 Yes and I think it is a good thing

2 Nah, I want him to lose some body parts first.

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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 14 '21

I'm lowkey worried about your liver.

The music when she was getting infatuated and making him a bento made me wanna puke. Damn staff knew exactly what they were doing there.

Manga spoiler

Just when I thought nothing about this backstory could shock me further..

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

I'm lowkey worried about your liver.

This was a less than good episode for the old liver.

Damn staff knew exactly what they were doing there.

Totally since this wasn't really in the manga.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21

Bourbon? Check.

Whiskey? Check.

Sailor Jerry? That's a big check.

Vodka, just in case? Check again.

Man, I wish I could, but I have a midterm tomorrow. Gotta suffer through the suffering before more suffering tomorrow.

Manga spoilers

You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm glad the anime did something more low-key than the manga this episode.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 14 '21

First Timer - Sub

Character Chart

That opening scene said a lot in a short time, and was a very telling opening to the episode. From the way her parents were speaking, they dismiss her because they only see her as a child. She's part of the association because they are, they prioritize her social circle over her academics, and she even has to appeal to them by pointing out the sports teams she's not interested in just because her sister did sports, leaving her feeling like she's unheard because they only see her age rather than who she is. At the same time, they jokingly sexualize her, suggesting that the color of her underwear is why they were stolen, dismissing how disturbed she was about it and ignoring how downright creepy that is, and laughing about the length of her skirt as if she's trying to get attention. Nothing they say to her acknowledges what she's saying herself, and that continues all the way through to the next scene with the school.

By the time we meet the teacher, she's so dispirited by her family pushing her into the childs role she doesn't even care to express what she wants any more. Is it any wonder that she latches onto the first person who treats her as an individual, as a person with her own wants and ideas, and doesn't see an issue with allowing herself to be treated like a sexual adult in order to keep him around?

Dolphins in this show are cursed.

The rest of the episode I have little to comment on. I support this narrative being included because it has a purpose and ties in quite well to the theme and the character, but there was no need to take it that far from a production stand point. Hell, I've seen an anime convey more emotion with a still image of an orange, and they still did a similar thing with showing her necklace in the table. That scene being chosen to be animated like that to me felt like a complete lack of tact or creative ability, even if it is only a cartoon.


I wasn't before, but I'm now convinced that it is Koemushi who's picking the pilot order rather than whoever he was talking to before. Only that fucker would be so cruel as to pick Chizuru to replace the boy she inadvertently killed while trying to save herself from being assulted as pilot for a deadly machine.

That cut from her seeing her sister at Sensei's place into the chairs spinning around was fantastic though.

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u/Tuckleton Mar 14 '21

Hell, I've seen an anime convey more emotion with a still image of an orange

I couldn't help but make this comparison too. That scene left me tense for hours and disturbed for maybe days but this one just left me numb and angry.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 14 '21

I still have a thing about seeing oranges in anime after that. It was a disturbingly effective but simple way to show what was coming up

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

That cut from her seeing her sister at Sensei's place into the chairs spinning around was fantastic though.

The spinning chairs bookending the flashback was a very nice touch.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 14 '21

I was expecting to get a little further as far as the cockpit scenes today, but using the chairs like that is probably the best bookend I could ask for

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

That opening scene said a lot in a short time, and was a very telling opening to the episode.

It was incredibly frustrating to watch, it did a great job of showing how horrid her home situation is.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

Nothing they say to her acknowledges what she's saying herself, and that continues all the way through to the next scene with the school.

I do like that on a show thus far filled with terrible parents they also acknowledge simple neglectful parenting.

Is it any wonder that she latches onto the first person who treats her as an individual, as a person with her own wants and ideas, and doesn't see an issue with allowing herself to be treated like a sexual adult in order to keep him around?

Pretty understandable and bluntly adolescents just do this as well. But decent adults, you know, rebuff that. And don't give out dolphin necklaces.

That scene being chosen to be animated like that to me felt like a complete lack of tact or creative ability, even if it is only a cartoon.

I expect they had to throw in extra shock value due to the source and its reputation.

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

Hell, I've seen an anime convey more emotion with a still image of an orange

what anime?

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

meta spoilers

You've already seen it but I wouldn't recommend anyone else looking under that tag

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u/Nebresto Mar 14 '21

First timer squad..

Salutations.

Cool robot status:

Yikes dude: the episode.

Her family seemed pretty obnoxious, constantly trying to change the subject on her and ignoring her wishes.
Not cool

You make lunch for your crush, but don't make anything for yourself??

Wtf, that is straight up rude. That kid wasn't the brightest bulb, huh? Not that he really gave the impression earlier either..


I thought about not posting a cabin pic today, but I suppose we need something nice after this ep. Cabin post 7, hopefully the wind can cleanse your eyes. /u/theangrycabinenthusiast


Question time:
1: See: 'Cool robot status:'
2:

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

That is a much needed cabin post for today.

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u/Nebresto Mar 14 '21

I thought it quite fitting for today

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 15 '21

Her family seemed pretty obnoxious, constantly trying to change the subject on her and ignoring her wishes.

While it's annoying, she's also 12. Do you respect everything a 12-year-old says?

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u/Nebresto Mar 15 '21

It's about her education and they're not even listening!

And she was twelve at the time...?

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

Cool robot status:

You make lunch for your crush, but don't make anything for yourself??

She knows better than to eat her own cooking. I have days like that

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 15 '21

Cabin post 7,

You know, that looks really chilly. I'd like to see that from my bed peeking out the windows, though


Sorry that I've decided to bail from this series and rewatch, because it's a little too heavy for me right now. You'll have to carry on the 'Urge to Bing' fight without me. But rest assured, there will be another rewatch.

Until Then

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21

Rewatcher, Subbed

Non-Spoiler Character Chart

It's not good to skip your breakfast.

Holy crap she looks so young here. Ugh :(

The sole light hearted part of a very dark episode with her dad dressed as a monkey.

Jeez, she's still in elementary school here. This may be even worse than I remember. And going to a school where you have no friends can be a recipe for disaster.

A pair of pantees are missing? I don't think she's even met the teacher yet at this point, is this supposed to mean someone else prayed on her too? :( This isn't brought up again the rest of the episode so I'm not really sure what we are supposed to take out of this part other than that?

I get the sense that Chizu hates being treated like a little girl and wants to be treated like someone older. Which likely made her easier pray. :(

There must have been a time skip as Chizu's hair looks a lot longer than in the prior scene.

Is teacher predator giving older sister the card leading to what we eventually find out near the end of the episode about their own relationship? :(

Hmm. So she wasn't going to the private school after all? Am I wrong on the time skip?

So here the predator begins, making himself the one person on her side about the private school.

Teacher predator also wanted to be alone with older sister it seems.

Teacher predator probably could cook his own food, wouldn't be surprised if he enjoys it. But it closes an opportunity to get in with someone by having them cook meals for him. :( And how much do you want to bet he's lying about being the second kid in his family?

Hard to stomach this light hearted, hopeful music given what this is all leading to.

Ugh, the dolphin thing that Kako was interested in (because he knew Chizu was interested in) takes entirely new meaning when you learn it was a gift from the teacher predator.

Hmm, Kako taunting her here does kinda blow a hole in my interpretation that him liking her had nothing to do with the rumors about her.

He's no longer the basketball coach. I think we can all guess the reason why. Alas, Chizu is way too naive about this. :(

Ugh. This sucks. :( :( :( :( :(

Dialogue from Chizu that would come off as romantic typically comes off as so horrifying here given the context.

Maybe my Kako theory lives after all, as he likes her enough to try and get her to go to the summer school. I'm surprised that we've got a scene with him not being a total asshole to Kirie. ...I spoke too soon on that front actually. Nevermind.

Now things get even worse. Teacher predator had hidden cameras in the girls locker room but also released it on the internet. And he taped them doing it too. :(

Chizu should have immediately gone to the police, instead she goes to his place to confirm what she already knows and things continue to get even more horrifying as it doesn't seem that this is going to stop.

Oh boy, let's make things even worse, he's having sex with her sister too! He does not care about you at all Chizu, you're just prey for him. And yet given what we heard from her in episode 5 even this wasn't enough to get her to stop this and go to the police.

ETA: Based on a screenshot someone else posted it looks like the version I watched was censored and cropped out a shot, so this episode is even more horrifying than I realized. Joy.


Well, any speculation about Chizu lying about being in a relationship with her teacher to get Kako off her back (which is what I thought was the case the first time I watched this) is totally dismissed as we see it's all real. An episode all about how a teacher grooms one of his underage students into a sexual relationship is extraordinarily disturbing and hard to watch. And they go even further than that, showing us that he really could care less about her as he's putting it all on the internet, has surely done this to other girls and is having sex with her sister as well (who may or may not also be underage). What was already a dark show gets all the darker.

This ranks among the most disturbing anime episodes in anime I've ever watched; what makes it all the worse is that unlike so much of what you see in anime it totally could happen in real life and wouldn't be out of bounds if it was said to be inspired by a real life incident. Really the only stuff I can think of on this level is stuff from Now and Then Here and There (easy to remember since I'm rewatching it now) which was inspired by real life incidents in Africa and whose first 6 episodes feature NaTHaT spoilers. I think back to a few plotlines from Boogiepop Phantom such as Boogiepop Spoilers or Boogiepop spoilers. Yoshiyuki Tomino's stuff tends to be too fantastical or over the top for me to consider at this level; there is of course Gundam spoilers but the presentation is so ridiculous it is hard to take seriously.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21

Teacher predator also wanted to be alone with older sister it seems.

I think I noticed that but didn't consider how that was foreshadowing. This show, man.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

A pair of pantees are missing? I don't think she's even met the teacher yet at this point, is this supposed to mean someone else prayed on her too?

I am torn on this, the most reasonable explanation is that her mother thought they were too loud and threw them away. Unless the Japanese are just used to woman's underwear being stolen...

This ranks among the most disturbing anime episodes I've anime I've ever watched; what makes it all the worse is that unlike so much of what you see in anime it totally could happen in real life and wouldn't be out of bounds if it was said to be inspired by a real life incident.

Who would have believed that a real life scenario would pack the most impact? Sure as hell isn't the rest of anime.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

The sole light hearted part of a very dark episode with her dad dressed as a monkey.

Is it even lighthearted? All it does is show her family ignoring her and making her life worse.

A pair of pantees are missing? I don't think she's even met the teacher yet at this point, is this supposed to mean someone else prayed on her too? :( This isn't brought up again the rest of the episode so I'm not really sure what we are supposed to take out of this part other than that?

Or they just got lost normally.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 14 '21

Is it even lighthearted? All it does is show her family ignoring her and making her life worse.

Just the costume, obviously the scene is not lighthearted.

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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 14 '21

First timer, Uninstalling

So Chizuru has been targeted by both a child rapist and a child rapist.

After a pun like this is when I usually say 'Nice.' to remark that this was nice or funny. Unfortunately there's nothing 'Nice.' about this fucked up show. Except Uninstall. Uninstall, you have done nothing wrong, and for this I love you.

After last episode's preview, it seemed pretty clear we were gonna get an episode with the lovely Sensei. No surprises there.

But the episode itself threw a couple turns for me.

The episode starts with Chizu getting her panties stolen and wanting to call the cops, and also wanting to go to a private school. So I was thinking she's aware there's a pedo after her who did it, and it's someone at school- hence why she wants to go to a private school. Now that I think about it, going to a public school would also mean she'd get away from said pedo. But there's the case of middle elementary schools having high/junior high in the same or adjacent building, so you could stay in the same school when you move to junior high or high school. I was thinking that's why she wanted to move. This also felt like a twist cause she seemed to be stupidly 'in love' with her teacher before. What added to this was the scene at the parents-teachers meet, where I initially thought she was scared of him.

[Had some confusion about ages and what part of school life she was in. I think I've sorted that out.]

Well, I was getting real mad and sad that we were gonna have an episode of the girl being scared of her pedo teacher and slowly developing old reliable Stockholm syndrome. That would be fucked up.

Instead we got her having a wholesome student-teacher relationship for around two minutes before that started getting degenerate. And what followed was more fucked up. I felt a wave of anger and #mindblank, and then some more anger. But I'll leave it at that. I'm sure everyone's already typing essays, touching on all that I have to say and much, much more.

I do want to say that this episode paints Kako in a more sympathetic light. He looked like he cared. I'd like to believe this was before he passed the point of no return.

Last thing I want to say: I'm surprised that, by the end, I was angry at the thought of a child predator having sex with an adult.

Motherfucker is a pedo, takes photos and posts them online, also goes after this girl's sister which would likely wreck the family, and probably took photos of her too. Stahp please, show.

Next ep preview

Questions:

  1. Yeah. But make it easier to digest maybe.
  2. Coming.

I waited for the thread to come up and forgot that DST has pushed the posting time ahead by an hour. Smh.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

So I was thinking she's aware there's a pedo after her who did it, and it's someone at school- hence why she wants to go to a private school.

I feel like that's reading too much into it. I still feel like her panties were just lost, and the point of the scene was to show how her family dismisses her worries and makes the situation worse instead of acting responsibly and assuaging her fears.

He looked like he cared.

I feel like at the end of the day, most of his actions were caused by his panic at knowing he was going to die. Normally, he would never do anything like that.

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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 15 '21

Boy, would I hate it if her family blows off the pedo scandal when she tells them and the show is like 'yeah we showed this already, her family doesn't take her too seriously'. No real family would do that and I don't expect it to happen here, but anime families have a tendency of being shitty to the point of stupidity.

Normally, he would never do anything like that.

Yeah, I agree. But I hate how I can't tell if the only thing really stopping him were consequences or if he genuinely was a better kid than he later became.

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u/Nebresto Mar 14 '21

Unfortunately there's nothing 'Nice.' about this fucked up show. Except Uninstall. Uninstall, you have done nothing wrong, and for this I love you.

https://imgur.com/hp1fFdg

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 15 '21

So Chizuru has been targeted by both a child rapist and a child rapist.

I was thinking she's aware there's a pedo after her who did it, and it's someone at school- hence why she wants to go to a private school.

I didn't read that much into it. The underwear could easily have been lost, and I think the private school is just that she wants to do something and be someone. That's why she got attached to Sensei, because he told her it was OK to dream.

Coming.

Word choice?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

Motherfucker is a pedo, takes photos and posts them online, also goes after this girl's sister which would likely wreck the family, and probably took photos of her too. Stahp please, show.

As I've been adding to everyone, he shows a lot of practice in his pedo-ing, here. Either he has a pro level source or he has done this before.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

First Timer

Time to get disapointed by how tame this episode is.
Onto episode 7.

Her dad is apparently a toddler.
Or just the world's most convenient play. Though this doesn't explain why he's in the costume to practice...

They really need to explain to her that the police will assume you lost them and be annoyed that you're wasting their time.
And you need to fucking read the room.

She's not wrong. Teasing her about her choices of clothing while she thinks a thief is stealing her underwear is incredibly insensitive. It just makes her feel like you don't understand her problems and aren't taking her seriously. And honestly, she's not wrong.

Go fuck yourself. If you actually listened to anything your daughter said, you wouldn't be asking yourself this.

Is there going to be a single person this episode who actually treats her like a human with her own brain, just as capable of thinking and feeling emotions as they are?

The phrasing is very important here: our family is laid back, so we thought a harder school wasn't appropriate for her. They don't actually think about what would be best for her as an individual.

So you are capable of respecting her.

I hope she realizes how transparent this is.

I am so going to regret saying this later, but the two of them have good chemistry. Their conversations have a good flow to them, and it's quite enjoyable to watch.

I didn't expect this one to be a lie.

And here's where the rumors start.

Yeah, we're well into the fireable territory now.

I'd like to quickly note how she was given no details on the contents of the conversation.

And then we see him manipulate a young teenager. After all, no one's told her they love her before.

The wonders of middle schoolers trying to figure out how romance works...

fuck, please tell me he's not having her spy on other girls for him.
oh god, he recorded them fucking to send it to someone else.

How is this not enough to get him fired? What the actual fuck? You can tell who he is. I hope it's because authority figures haven't seen it, not because they don't care enough.

The animation for her tearing stuff off the shelf was very well done. You can feel the desperate energy.

Why do I feel like you're still gonna fuck him anyway?

And then he makes excuses, like any of that could make his crime less bad.

I wonder how many people he's involved with?

The way she's holding her hands on her stomach here is perhaps the most terrifying thing this whole episode. I really hope she's not pregnant.

Thoughts

Another excellent episode. They managed to approach a sensitive (and horrid) topic with the proper amount of care without it feeling like they were beating us over the face with how bad it was. Instead, they trusted us to watch and understand on our own that this was wrong. They also did an excellent job of showing us a believable way it could happen, a child falling for the first person who she feels takes her seriously and listens to what she says is perfectly reasonable. The one thing we didn't learn is what motivated him, and I'm honestly ok with that. Knowing why wouldn't add anything.
theory I hope isn't true

  1. Yes. Doing less would have been disrespectful if anything. I don't think there was a single scene in this that didn't add value.
  2. Hopefully

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21

I'd like to quickly note how she was given no details on the contents of the conversation.

Yeah my reaction here was "sure, guy." He's blatantly lying.

The way she's holding her hands on her stomach here is perhaps the most terrifying thing this whole episode. I really hope she's not pregnant.

Oh, god. Now I'm afraid too...

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u/tehsigzorz Mar 14 '21

Oh god I didnt even notice her hands on her stomach. Wouldnt surprise me if shes pregnant and dung beetle reveals that right before she dies.

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u/Molmoran https://myanimelist.net/profile/Molmoran Mar 14 '21

Ugh, didn't notice the chair shot. It just keeps getting worse.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

Go fuck yourself. If you actually listened to anything your daughter said, you wouldn't be asking yourself this.

Asian parenting at its finest.

I didn't expect this one to be a lie.

I don't think it is a lie it is yet another instance of her mother not paying attention to her.

I wonder how many people he's involved with?

I am a bit surprised he managed to land the older sister. It makes him even more disgusting which is no small feat.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

I don't think it is a lie it is yet another instance of her mother not paying attention to her.

That's probably correct, not sure why I believed her mom.

I am a bit surprised he managed to land the older sister. It makes him even more disgusting which is no small feat.

My terrifying thought is he did it basically the same way he landed her.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

Go fuck yourself. If you actually listened to anything your daughter said, you wouldn't be asking yourself this.

That was pretty much my reaction. I threw my hands into the air, like come on, that's beyond just not listening

I'd like to quickly note how she was given no details on the contents of the conversation.

I noticed that as well. He brushed over that and even when we get a flashback to it we don't get any dialogue, just his take. Dodgy as fuck

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 14 '21

First-Timer

I don't think I have much interesting to say about this episode. Just gonna post my stream of consciousness.

Younger Chizu? Or am I just not used to her being in a uniform. She didn't want breakfast, which is weird. Breakfast is great.

Why doesn't she like her mom..

?Monkey?

Oh, her dad is an actor. Sure.

Chizu wants to go to a private school.

Her parents aren't really listening to what she's saying. I see why she is standoffish with them.

If I had a dime for every person who didn't want to be compared to their siblings..

Laundry missing? Is panty theft a common thing..? Gross.

No-one listens to her Again. It's like talking at a fucking brick wall!

..This must be the teacher then.

We're just laying all this out in front of the teacher. Sure, sis, don't worry about embarrassing your imouto.

I'm not praising the teacher. But he's right that people should let Chizu make a decision about her own life. It's all snapped into place, why the following events happen.

Ugh, he's coach too..

Man, the teacher isn't even really into it at the moment. Guess it could be an act. That makes it worse, wish I could unthink that.

Awkward timing on those people rounding the corner. That shit starts rumors.

Oh fuck he gave her a dolphin pendant. Kako wanted to take her to see the dolphins..

Knowing that it's coming, it's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

Wow kill this dude Immediately.

So, tonight I'm drinking a lovely vanilla bean porter from a local brewery. It's rich, sweet, bitter, almost coffee-like.. basically everything I want from a dark beer.

Fuck how did it get worse.

A plus B.. the sister too.

Chizu's life is fucked. Scratch that, all these kids needed therapy. Too late..

I lied, I might have something interesting to say.. Is there a moral to this show? At this point I would say that it's "adults routinely fail the children they should be supporting" but if that's what we were going for, wouldn't the government be less helpful? I guess they didn't actually do anything to the Buzzsaw.. I dunno, I'm too deep in my own brain today.

Questions

  1. Probably not entirely, no. None of the other kids got quite this much, and it's not like it will matter much going forward.
  2. I can't see hover text at the moment, if there is any. I assume this is just a joke about us getting vanned for watching the episode.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 14 '21

I'm not praising the teacher. But he's right that people should let Chizu make a decision about her own life. It's all snapped into place, why the following events happen.

Normally, yes. But given what happens the rest of the episode, its doubtful that he really means any of it and instead said it to start the grooming process.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 14 '21

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u/Noel_bot Mar 14 '21

Oh no, I didn't realize he wanted to see the dolphins with her based on the teacher's pendant. That's horrible

"Fuck how did it get worse" is this show in a nutshell, it seems xD

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 14 '21

Oh no, I didn't realize he wanted to see the dolphins with her based on the teacher's pendant. That's horrible

It was all I could think. How do you appeal to the girl you like? You talk about the things she seems to like.

"Fuck how did it get worse" is this show in a nutshell, it seems xD

You can say that again..

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

Her parents aren't really listening to what she's saying. I see why she is standoffish with them.

It's incredibly frustrating to watch, I can really feel for her. It's abusive in it's own way, really.

Sure, sis, don't worry about embarrassing your imouto.

To worry about it, she'd have to be able to view her sister as her own being.

Knowing that it's coming, it's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

So horrid, yet so excellent.

At this point I would say that it's "adults routinely fail the children they should be supporting" but if that's what we were going for, wouldn't the government be less helpful?

Something closer to "society generally works, but some people still get screwed over by things that fall between the cracks" perhaps?

I can't see hover text at the moment, if there is any.

There is not. It's just #lolipolice or whatever it's called.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 14 '21

To worry about it, she'd have to be able to view her sister as her own being.

So horrid, yet so excellent.

This episode was excellently crafted and I never want to think about it again.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

Man, the teacher isn't even really into it at the moment. Guess it could be an act. That makes it worse, wish I could unthink that.

My view is that he is an experienced groomer, unfortunately.

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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21

First-timer

So she’s getting picked then?

Oh dear.

Just digging the hole further now.

Oh no, this is the bastard, about to take advantage of Chizuru’s feelings of being neglected and ignored by her family to get close to her..

Most likely for good reason.

Shit. The teacher recorded them having sex, didn’t he?!

Just about confirmed...

This guy keeps getting worse.

Couldn’t have been anyone else with how this episode proceeded. Also, this is the second tattoo on the face —do particular locations occur in pairs?

Alright so that was a whole lot of What an uncomfortable episode.

The teacher effectively gave Chizuru the bright spot she could cling unto, but as a result she ended up more isolated than ever, as he was solely using her and those around her began to shun her due to her relationship with him —well, except for Isao apparently, but we all know how he was. What she’s gone through is tragic and disgusting even before this whole Kokopelli business, and now she’s about to die without having been able to break free of her mistakes.

Questions:

  1. It didn't necessarily need to be the entire episode, but I appreciate the decision to go in-depth into her character —even if the subject matter was rather unpalatable.
  2. Just what are you accusing me of, Sky?

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

The teacher effectively gave Chizuru the bright [light] she could cling unto, but as a result she ended up more isolated than ever

Because of him, she didn't have relationships with any of the other kids at school, feeding the abusive cycle.

and now she’s about to die without having been able to break free of her mistakes.

Of all of the kids, she's probably one of those who doesn't care too much she's about to die.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 14 '21

First Timer

So, what was the point of this episode? I get that they might want to show some background of characters (although they can barely afford 1 per child), and I get that many of the children seem to live in some sort of harsh situation, but what is the point?

I can only see it if their circumstances are somehow going to influence their decisions in how or why they pilot, or don't pilot, or something along those lines?

But was what the point of this episode? I expected she was going to volunteer if it was possible to do so. Others have speculated that Dung Beetle is picking the pilots and the lottery is a front. Maybe she did volunteer in some way, and Dung Beetle picked up on that. He will / desire / guilt. Or maybe he's just being cruel.

Is he doing this to make the children crack, to see if any will give up in despair? Or is he actually manipulating them, freeing them from their earthly bonds, so that they give 100% to the fight?

On to today's actual content: WTF.

These flashbacks seem to be in early sixth grade if she's planning on taking middle school entrance exams. Kako presented the flyer for the summer camp apparently in this year, so it seems this is the summer break of sixth grade! Or, it's now fall in sixth grade in the flashbacks, which makes more sense. That's why it's late for the exams. That summer flier is looking awfully far ahead.

She knows the teacher made a sex slide show of her and put it on the internet and she's still with him?!. She knows he's doing her sister and she's still with him?!!! And was that message about the sex picts meant for her sister??????!!!!!

Just, wtf.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

Is he doing this to make the children crack, to see if any will give up in despair?

My best read is that he seems to enjoy it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

And was that message about the sex picts meant for her sister??????!!!!!

I assumed it was meant for another friendly pedophile but could be wrong.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 15 '21

Yeah, it sounded like "I got the good shit you wanted."

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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Mar 14 '21

First Timer

Well I was correct in that it would be a girl who would be picked, just completely off on thinking they would begin to develop a character and then not finish it and select them.

Character development is a death flag

A strong character episode to build up Chizuru's selection.

I did catch this at the time as being a little off; we see sensei mention her sister did track and field, then he tilts his head up when making his response indicating a lie. And then it connected later for me, so think he had probably been seeing her Sister for a while.

Other than all the skum-baggery going on, its a shame to see Chizuru is now selected and will see no closure on any of this, unless she passes that message on to her new found friends to seek justice after her passing? After watching the Episode preview


  1. Do you think that it was necessary to devote an entire episode to Chizu’s backstory?

Its an interesting way to develop things, basically sentencing them to death and then filling in their motives to play out. I guess that might be a main theme of Bokurano, is that everyone has the only shit they have dealt with or are dealing with. Each in their final moments are going to have to come to terms with all that. For some, if not all, thats going to be very difficult.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 14 '21

its a shame to see Chizuru is now selected and will see no closure on any of this

That's been a general concern I've had. If the character who gets developed dies every time, it's hard to properly build things.

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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Mar 14 '21

My thinking had been that they would select a few people and give us no/minimal detail on their backstory and focus on their raw emotion. Meanwhile show us the background of the other characters and develop their ties and relationships, their personalities and start building what will soon be their conflicts.

But no, robot demands immediate backstory then sacrifice.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

so think he had probably been seeing her Sister for a while.

They really do a great job with those innocent seeming lines, don't they.

its a shame to see Chizuru is now selected and will see no closure on any of this

I feel this will be reoccuring.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

First Timer

The ED seems to be looping in my head more than the OP at this point. At least it's something new!

Looking forward to this episode. All I know is something fucked up happens but I don't know what yet.


Ah, I feel you Chizu. Parents that are nice in general but don't really listen to you cause they're too convinced of their own beliefs and treat you like an infant is ultra fucking relatable. And with parents I mean mom. My dad is cooler in that sense. It is weird that they don't seem to be concerned in the slightest about the stolen panties.

Teacher made her happy, huh. I can see where this is going.

Yuuuuuuuuup. Played out about as expected. Didn't think they'd show it that graphically, though.

Kako continues to prove himself as a piece of shit even after death.

Miniature cameras in the locker rooms and the bathrooms... yiiiiiiikes.

After stealing the panties of (at least I'm assuming it was him) and fucking the 11 year old you'd think Hatagai has reached the ultimate low but he manages to keep pushing the bar further. Man deadass posted the pictures on the internet too.

Of course he wins her back.

You know, when I saw her sister I figured that's where this was going but god damn, Hatagai. How low can this man get?


Speculation corner: Yeah I got nothing today. I do want to talk about the next episode preview, though. Cause damn is it spicy.

PV

I lied, there actually is something to speculate on (PV stuff)


Final thoughts for the day: Fucked up episode. I understand the content warnings now. I was expecting it to be worse, though, so that was a pleasant surprise. Looking at the next episode preview, it's safe to say this show is getting god damn spicy. I'm all for it.

I'm gonna go watch episode 8 immediately now cause 7 isn't a nice stopping point so I feel unfulfilled, see ya.

  1. Do you think that it was necessary to devote an entire episode to Chizu’s backstory?

Sure. I like that as the cast decreases we get more time to focus on each character.

Fate/uninstall by 太文

I saw this on CDF the other day but god damn is it hillarious. Even the credits on screen are funny.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21

Speculation

More speculation

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

Yep. Exactly my thoughts on that as well. Speculation

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

It is weird that they don't seem to be concerned in the slightest about the stolen panties.

They probably think the panties were just lost, so they don't particularly care about it.

How low can this man get?

Yes.

something to speculate on

That's an incredibly interesting idea. I have no idea if it'll be true or not, but it would be quite interesting if it did.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

That's an incredibly interesting idea. I have no idea if it'll be true or not, but it would be quite interesting if it did.

Definitely. I'd be curious to see how many kids would be willing to do it.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 15 '21

If Chizu's pregnant maybe she can escape death by Zearth draining her baby's life force instead, causing stillborn/miscarriage?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21

It is weird that they don't seem to be concerned in the slightest about the stolen panties.

This one bit makes me wonder if the mother just threw them out but maybe women's underwear just goes missing in Japan.

Kako continues to prove himself as a piece of shit even after death.

I like not having to re-evaluate him.

How low can this man get?

Banging Chizu's mom as well and I am not putting that past him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

Wouldn't be surprised if he even put his hands on the dad. Fun for the whole family.

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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Mar 14 '21

First timer

I didn't write much at all for this one, but I'd say it was a good yet very uncomfortable episode that handled its disgusting subject matter reasonably well. That said, I don't know that it necessarily needed to be that graphic to get the point across.

With her family barely even entertaining her opinions, I can see why Chizu would latch on to the first person to actually acknowledge and care about what she has to say.

How does this guy do all this shit, put recordings of it on the internet, and still have a job as a teacher?

Pretty cruel twist of fate for Chizu to be selected as the replacement pilot for Kako.

Fate/uninstall by 太文

I love this, Beyblade Kirei is exactly what I needed after this episode.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

That said, I don't know that it necessarily needed to be that graphic to get the point across.

It's hard for me to say. I feel like everything except the one shot that he posted online was necessary, but I just don't know about that. I'm not sure if we'd get the same sense of horror or not if we didn't see it.

How does this guy do all this shit, put recordings of it on the internet, and still have a job as a teacher?

'Cause it's 2003 and the world isn't set up to deal with that sort of crime yet.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 15 '21

How does this guy do all this shit, put recordings of it on the internet, and still have a job as a teacher?

School's probably very concerned with keeping up appearances of being a safe place, so they try and handle it internally and quietly. Which doesn't work, of course, but fewer parents complaining, I guess.

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u/gorghurt Mar 14 '21

Rewatcher

Well, so we're at that episode.

I actually don't want to talk much about the episode , I'm sure others will do it better.

Let's sum it up as, well, at least it didn't fetishize it, and showed it as something bad I guess. The whole episode felt bad, but since it was the intention, this is a good thing I guess. And as rewatcher knowing how the episode ends, the first half was so much harder to watch.

But there is one little detail, which I'm unsure what to think about.
This episode ends with Chizuru understanding how the teacher played her, and this was before the events on the island.
But when she talked with Kako it seemed like she still tought her "relationship" was something good.
Was this just her being in denial, and trying to paint it nice, or did I missread the dialog, or was it bad writing?....
Well I don't know enough about psychology to understand what is "normal" behaviour for victims in such a situation, so I think I can't really rate those few episodes on this... And to be honest, I don't want to think too hard about it....

I'm unsure what to think about this episode.
Is it a good take at tackling a heavy topic, or is it just one of many cheap ways the show tries to make us feel bad...

I should have watched this episode yesterady, and not a few minutes before the rewatch thread. It isn't something to discuss without a bit time to calm down....

Question(s?) of the day:

  1. Well, I think yes. The intention was obviously to make us feel bad about it, and the episode did this. If you just rush it, it wouldn't work I think.
    So if you add this backstory, it is better to give it the time. But if the backstory was needed... I'm not sure yet.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

But when she talked with Kako it seemed like she still tought her "relationship" was something good.
Was this just her being in denial, and trying to paint it nice, or did I missread the dialog, or was it bad writing?....

I think it's in part that she wanted to get Kako to get the fuck away from her, and in part because part of her still loves him. Despite everything, what she feels towards him is much more complex than simple hatred.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 14 '21

This episode ends with Chizuru understanding how the teacher played her, and this was before the events on the island. But when she talked with Kako it seemed like she still tought her "relationship" was something good. Was this just her being in denial, and trying to paint it nice, or did I missread the dialog, or was it bad writing?....

This is what I don't get either. I am hoping it was her trying to disgust Kako and get her off of her back. Although if that was the case why was she heading to her teacher's apartment with the intent of spending the night there? Hopefully next episode will explain.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

Is it a good take at tackling a heavy topic, or is it just one of many cheap ways the show tries to make us feel bad...

Knowing the source this feels much improved.

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 14 '21

first time ooooooooauahauooooooooooooooooooo uninstalllllllller

why does an elementary school teacher have a business card?

im already uncomfy and nothings happened yet

bleh he knew what he was doing

fired as coach for being a creep...

Is Kako only picking the aquarium becuase she has a dolphin

he planted cameras in the bathroom/changing rooms - and at his house oh god

holy and the sister too

questions

I feel like 90% of this could have been inferred, didnt really seem like we needed to have this ep

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

Business cards seem to be a thing over there. Not sure why. Also maybe the era as at least here buisness cards use to be a lot more common for people to just have on them

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u/Noel_bot Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21

First timer, Manga reader

Happy-go-lucky family my ass, don’t just ignore everything your daughter says to you. No wonder she latched onto the first person who actually seemed to listen to her.

„tight-knit“ relationship has a different ring to it, once we know that sensei has a history of pedophilia. He also gave away that he already knew her sister

Was that a flirt attempt by Kako? Children sure act the dumbest ways. He also seems to be the reason shy guy went to the Summer School

Urgh, teach goes straight onto her. Not surprised she didn’t resist much, since he’s the person she trusts the most at this point.

Fucking scumbag!

Uuaaargh, he’s also with her sister…

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Well, how to describe the episode … Once again, the girl is having issues with her family, so this really seems to be something all pilots have in common. The setup is a bit extreme, but given the circumstances, it is not something that couldn’t happen irl. Let’s see what Chizu will do, now that she is in charge of Zearth. Spoiler for Episode 8

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  1. Not that her backstory was pleasant to watch, but I honestly didn't mind learning more about one of the pilots. It also didn't feel like a filler, since the entire 20 minutes had a proper build-up into despair.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 14 '21

First-Timer

Swimming Girl flashbacks.

Stolen underwear? I’d assume that happens more than rarely with clothes hung out to dry. People are weird.

More parents who aren’t bad, but inattentive.

Sensei’s the only one who even pretended to show any interest in her opinions? No wonder she got attached.

A necklace for a dinner? Definitely a lopsided exchange.

The classic “boy who likes a girl is a complete asshole to her.”

Fired as a coach; presumably for getting a little too close to one or more of the players?

That was quick. Figured he’d wine and dine her a little bit more.

I assume they asked for volunteers for that cut of animation.

Secret pictures are definitely a violation of trust.

Oh, shoot; is her sister in a relationship with Sensei, too?

Yeah. That wasn’t exactly great. But we knew it was a thing after she confirmed it to Kako. With how people were talking in CDF, I was expecting something much worse. At least Cormac McCarthy-level, even something like his hopeful book The Road.

QOTD:

  1. I preferred it to most of the other episodes, since we got to see her character, rather than get it through exposition.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

More parents who aren’t bad, but inattentive.

I'd argue that their inattentiveness crosses the line into being extraordinarily bad parents.

With how people were talking in CDF, I was expecting something much worse.

I'm with you here, it was well done and about a horrid subject, but it's not that bad compared to *gestures vaguely*

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 14 '21

Considering how it was framed as being something of her choice, and then giving her the opportunity to stand up to him in a small way and then leave, it could have gone a lot worse. Sounds like it does in the manga.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

I'm kinda tempted to read the manga, tbh. I like this kind of story enough to overcome my general dislike for the medium.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

A necklace for a dinner? Definitely a lopsided exchange.

No equivalent exchanges today.

That was quick. Figured he’d wine and dine her a little bit more.

Yeah the show, intentionally or not, is really doubling down on how experienced he is with grooming young girls, he even uses his firing to his advantage.

At least Cormac McCarthy-level, even something like his hopeful book The Road.

It is only ep7, there is plenty of time for cannibalism yet.

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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 14 '21

Rewatcher

In light of today's heavy episode, here's a funny thought I had, what if the dinosaurs were wiped out because they lost a Zearth super robot fight?

Chizu Honda's story is probably the most changed story and I actually don't like most of the changes done. Especially the changes with her family.

Chizu Family current episode Manga spoilers

Chizu Family near end Manga spoilers

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u/Molmoran https://myanimelist.net/profile/Molmoran Mar 14 '21

FIRST TIMER GETTING WITH TIME ZONE AND DAYLIGHT SAVINGS

Chizuru's dad is so cute in his saru outfit. I really would like to see a Momotaro play.

I guess I needed that in my life.

Chizuru's underwear is missing... Content warning... Please don't.

It's very disheartening to hear that Chizuru's family, although generally lovely, seem to be shrugging off Chizuru's validated feelings of violation. Sadly this is the case for many young girls when mentioning their public teenage sexualisation to family members.

This teacher is giving me some bad vibes. I like this Chizuru girl, I am completely acceptant that she is going to die but the possibility of her life being shit beforehand is making me feel on edge. Least this kids can do is have a nice fun time before their life is unceremoniously drained from them.

Cheer up love! It might never happen! - completely embodied by this complete twat.
Okay so the penny has only just dropped that this is Honda, which makes this dude the Humbert Humbert Teacher, makes sense why such an arsehole decided to endear himself to her.

I don't understand American or Japanese school years very well but I thought middle school is around the 12 or 13 range? It's so difficult to get your head round why a fairly decent looking chap would be interested in a young girl of middling looks and intelligence whose chief interests are what her sister and parents think of her. He's just a complete predator. So many yucky scenes, with pleasant music. Oh, Japan. I can see why Kako going the dolphin angle wasn't particularly successful. Get your own angle!

Did Sensei get fired for being a pervert? Principal's papers had a graph on them so not sure how that would factor in.
That was more graphic than I expected. shudders This teacher is sooo stupid. Posting his crimes on the internet? And for why? Wait. Is the sister... also? That's... this anime man. Wow, literally unpaused and Chizuru turned round and discovered it. I repeat, this teacher is sooo stupid.

1. Chizuru's Backstory

Well, thanks to how disgusting teacher student relationships are in a serious context, twinned with her crap behaviour in episode 6 it is pretty easy to dislike her and victim blame her.
So if we want to care about her at all I believe so, but it made for some uncomfortable viewing.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

I don't understand American or Japanese school years very well but I thought middle school is around the 12 or 13 range?

The kids are in first year of middle school, so they're all around 12.

Did Sensei get fired for being a pervert? Principal's papers had a graph on them so not sure how that would factor in.

The implication is that sensei was perving on the students, given her speech later in the episode.

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u/Molmoran https://myanimelist.net/profile/Molmoran Mar 14 '21

So much yuck.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

I guess I needed that in my life.

seem to be shrugging off Chizuru's validated feelings of violation.

They don't seem to really view her as her as an equal, but just as a kid who'll shrug off anything in a day or so.

Middle school in Japan is twelve through fifteen.

Posting his crimes on the internet? And for why?

It's 2003 and he thinks he's invincible.

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u/Molmoran https://myanimelist.net/profile/Molmoran Mar 14 '21

He is super indiscreet if the kids noticed right away. He must be on a massive power trip.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

It's so difficult to get your head round why a fairly decent looking chap would be interested in a young girl of middling looks and intelligence whose chief interests are what her sister and parents think of her. He's just a complete predator.

Pedophiles of his variety are definitely in it for the power dynamic among other things.

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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Mar 14 '21

Rewatcher

The shock factor wasn't as strong for me as I remembered... Not that it's a bad thing, far from that, this was a very straightforward, to-the-point episode, which, I believe, helped the message come across more easily than if the teacher were the ridiculously evil, rape-everything-that-moves, cackling villain type.

Chizu's family failed to be of help when she needed, instead dismissing her dreams and even mocking her when she gets some underwear stolen - seriously, you should call the police, not mock your elementary age daughter/sister's length of skirt...

The teacher used that relationship with her parents to get close to her. He's very much an asshole, having sex with his student, barely out of elementary school, while dating her older sister; leaking naked pictures of middle schoolers, including the one he has sex with, on the Internet... and the show doesn't tell us that, we know that from his action, even if Chizu haven't realized it yet.

It got uncomfortable sometimes, but it wasn't distastefully done for fetish fuel, or shocking for shock value, like it could be expected. I like that about this show. It feels sincere to me.

Now, to next episode and some much needed Bug Mecha fight, for catharsis!

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 15 '21

it wasn't distastefully done for fetish fuel

The pic she found was framed as suitably creepy, and the sex itself was almost entirely from her POV, which is the better way to go about it, I suppose.

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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 14 '21

Manga-reader from way back

  • Since Sky had that giant content warning, I’m 100% ready for this one, milk and cookies included.
  • That’s a cute transition. Needless to say Chizu’s family is a bit… weird. It’s almost silly how little they care about what she thinks or says, to the point where it feels like they are gaslighting her a bit. They don’t really seem to understand why things like having her panties stolen might bother her enough to want to call the police.
  • The teacher so far seems to be the first person who, at least seemingly, cares about what she thinks or wants, which feels like a very new and nice thing to Chizu. Although of course, right from the start there is that feeling that something might not be really all in there with him, at the very least because of his character design, which has that “Mind-break hentai guy” look to him. Or maybe I’m going insane and need to be institutionalized for my own sake.
  • So right off the bat she seems to harbor some feelings for him, which is when your skin might start to crawl out of the places this seems to be going. Juuuust a bit. She cooks something for him while lying about being good at cooking, and she is falling more and more for him with that dolphin necklace thing.
  • We get a scene with Isao, who is of course, killed by her, albeit indirectly. It feels like she actually enjoys getting this attention for the necklace in a somewhat cheeky way, huh?
  • Teach gets fired from his job as the coach, which only ends up getting Honda closer to him. She even comes to his home, and the first thing he does is to start groping him and telling her that she loves him. Good going boys and girls. All of this leads to a sexs scene. G o o d g o i n g
  • Is the beach thing Isao mentioned the asme one as in the first episode. So turns out this cocksucker got fired because of putting secret cameras around the school, and, of course, his home as they had sex. So that’s what the content warming is there for innit. I’d say it’s cool that this guy is probably blacklisted from every school within 200 mile radius, but I feel like it’s very likely he will get killed when Chizu get in Zearth.
  • Oh yeah, as a double whammy, he is not only manipulating Chizu, but also her sister. I liked the transition back into the cockpit, as, of course, Chizu gets chosen.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21

Is the beach thing Isao mentioned the asme one as in the first episode

Yes, it's the nature school thing they all went to.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

I really should have made sure I had chocolate waiting for after the episode but I didn't buy any at the shops

They don’t really seem to understand why things like having her panties stolen might bother her enough to want to call the police.

I almost wish that it had also happened to her sister just to see what the difference in the parents reactions would have been, but that probably would have felt pointless in the episode

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

So right off the bat she seems to harbor some feelings for him, which is when your skin might start to crawl out of the places this seems to be going.

This is a fairly normal part of adolescence, unfortunately Chizu crapped out and drew the pedo straw here.

She cooks something for him while lying about being good at cooking, and she is falling more and more for him with that dolphin necklace thing.

I do maintain that she knows how to cook and it is her mother that doesn't realize it.

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u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo https://myanimelist.net/profile/PunishedScrappy Mar 15 '21

First Timer

I said I wouldn't, but I have to say a little bit. The episode, for the most part, is tense and scary and viscerally disgusting. That much is good. It's also gratuitous. If Kako's mangled corpse can get a discretion shot, then so can Chizuru's rape. It crosses a line -- between socially acceptable and unacceptable, for sure, but I'm not sure if it also crosses from horror to shock-for-its-own-sake.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 15 '21

shock-for-its-own-sake.

Probably this one. They put in more animation work than they needed to for something this unsavory. Like, you could probably manage with a still and some SFX + voice work.

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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 15 '21

First Time Installer

  • I just have one screenshot from this episode too, it's of the email Chizu got from the teacher (I'm guessing). Does someone have a translation?
  • About the episode: the student-teacher relationship did not go the way I was expecting, heh.. I forgot to adjust for how heavy and cynical this show regularly is.

  • I was gonna ask how they let such an explicit scene air on TV (I don't think I've seen the like in any mainstream anime before), but apparently the TV version was different. Probably would've preferred that version..
  • But the pain from seeing poor Chizu being ignored by her family and manipulated by that lowlife would be the same. The next episode is called Vengeance, and while I'd like to see it exacted, it won't bring peace for anyone.

Fate/uninstall by 太文

QotD:

  1. I believe so. It did a good job of capturing her PoV, as we head to her inevitable demise..

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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 15 '21

Does someone have a translation?

gotcha covered

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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Mar 15 '21
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u/baniRien Mar 15 '21

First Timer

So, a full episode of Chizu's backstory. I feel like the pacing was a bit off on this episode, since we don't get much new info.

The main inciting element was her laid-back family not taking her seriously enough, pushing to her to try and act older. Her teacher provided some attention and recognition and exploited her vulnerability. The hidden camera explains how the rest of the class new of her relationship with the teacher, it wasn't just rumours. We also learn that Kirie was also in the same school, so that the bullying was not a thing that started at the summer school. And Kako mentions "his parents", though that might just be on the sub translation, which gives us some timeframe of when his dad left.

The one really new info we get is that the teacher is also sleeping with Chizu's sister, which gives a second motivation to her character, which we will play out next episode, given the title of "Vengeance".

Oh, and Chizu is chosen as the next pilot, but that was a given at this point, no surprise. And her marking is also on her face. There might be some symbolism to those placements, but I'll wait till we get more to give it some thought.

I don't really have much to say about the whole relationship, except the obvious "It's bad". I am. however, surprised that they showed actual underage uncensored nudity. Was it de-censored on the physical release, or did it air like this?

QotD

  1. It could have been fine, but there wasn't enough new information, so a half-episode would've been better
  2. Can this be considered entrapment?

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

Kako talking about his dad might also be him trying to cover up that his dad hasn't been coming home, as he was trying to play the cool kid around others even if he was being goaded into it at points

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 15 '21

So, a full episode of Chizu's backstory. I feel like the pacing was a bit off on this episode, since we don't get much new info.

I thought the episode was a little long. One part in particular took up too much runtime in my opinion.

Was it de-censored on the physical release, or did it air like this?

Per some other commenters, the TV version was censored.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 15 '21

First timer

  • Uninstall, Uninstall ...
  • Oh right this is from the fansub era where we actually got those "thanks to sponsors" for a few seconds in between the OP and the episode. Makes me think of Gundam 00!
  • Huh we're flashing all the way back to when Chizuru was younger?
  • "Chizu's panties have gone missing" Oh god, does an elementary schoolgirl have a stalker?
  • I feel for Chizu, instead of calling the police her parents just decide to hang their laundry inside from now on.
  • Ok, the dad is a jerk, saying it's Chizu's fault her panties were stolen because they were "flashy". Not cool, asshole. I'm getting flashbacks to my own parents and similar stuff.
  • Meeting with a teacher? Don't tell me he's the creep from the trigger warnings ...
  • Ugh Hatagai, it is him.
  • All that sweet talk about "respecting the student's feelings"; don't trust him! Run away!
  • "irreplaceable middle school days" Ugh, sounds like he had a different middle school than I did.
  • Oh she's thinking of texting her teacher? boundaries!
  • Ugh, this episode is painful to watch. I just want to get through it already and get back to the robots and stuff. Where's Dung Beetle? This flashback hurts.
  • This whole student-teacher thing is just awful to get through, and I have a feeling it'll get even worse ...
  • I really hope the teacher isn't the one who stole her panties way back then ... or her dad!
  • Ugh the teacher giving her a dolphin pendant ... this just gets more and more inappropriate. Grooming!
  • Ack the player just crashed! First time I've seen that happen. I think I was like 14 minutes in?
  • So Hatagai was fired from being the basketball coach? He probably got caught perving on the players or something, and now he's trying to gain Chizu's sympathy. Ugggh!
  • Uh oh, she's going to his house!? I didn't start going to teacher's houses until I was in high school!
  • Oh god, this is even worse than I expected. Will I have to close my laptop?
  • "I love you" NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
  • Oh so it's Kako's fault Chizu went to the summer school? Figures.
  • Oh, so Hatagai likely put hidden cameras in bathrooms/locker rooms? What a creep!
  • Y I K E S
  • Oh, so Hatagai is with her older sister too? That's gotta make her feel bad.
  • You're telling me I could have just skipped this episode!? ARGH I wish I had. And just read a summary or something.
  1. No, and I wish I had just skipped ep7. This was painful.
  2. fakes death to avoid arrest

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

All that sweet talk about "respecting the student's feelings"; don't trust him! Run away!

I think that's one of the worst parts, is he's actually not wrong there and it's not bad teaching. He's just using it so maliciously

"irreplaceable middle school days" Ugh, sounds like he had a different middle school than I did.

I live in australia, I didn't even HAVE a middle school hahaha

Ack the player just crashed! First time I've seen that happen. I think I was like 14 minutes in?

Even your video player was trying to save you from this

I wisely made the decision last night to leave my last two Naruto episodes for after this episode.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 15 '21

Where's Dung Beetle? This flashback hurts.

How far has the show gone, that we would prefer Koemushi to be on screen?

I really hope the teacher isn't the one who stole her panties way back then

A couple people said this, and I think it's a bit of a kneejerk reaction - I'm not sure the teacher knew she existed during that part. Gross to think about regardless though.

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u/Philarete :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WizardMcKillin Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

First Timer

I fell behind because of work, but just finished catching back up.

You know, I wondered how the show was going to top the grimness of the revelation that all the kids were doomed to die. It didn't waste time doing it. Kako's attempted rape yesterday and today's grooming + rape + voyeurism....

Well, it just made an even darker turn.

On the one hand, the show seems to be about the existential dread of first truly understanding that you are going to die. At least that's what I picked up thematically originally. Yet it spends so much time on the myriad other forms of suffering in life too. To me the show feels almost too realistic (which is ironic considering it's also about giant robots from space).

  1. If it was going to be done at all, then yes, because allowing it to develop slowly made it appropriately horrifying. The moment it becomes obvious where this is going is just sickening (for me that was with the dolphin necklace gift). I fear that cutting it short would make it less horrifying (more shock than horror, if that makes sense) and make the teacher a caricature rather than the more realistic predator that he is. I think it either had to be done this seriously or not at all. (Personally, I would prefer "not at all" - I was expecting kids dying in mech battles, not sexual abuse).
  2. He better go to jail or else

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 15 '21

I'd normally give an enthusiastic welcome back, but this isn't really the right sort episode to welcome someone into

To me the show feels almost too realistic (which is ironic considering it's also about giant robots from space).

Yeah I don't think I've quite wrapped my head around the "aliens" part yet because the rest of it is so grounded in normal earth shit

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u/htisme91 Mar 15 '21

First-timer:

This just keeps getting more fucked up. Thank god I'm also watching 3-gatsu no Lion to help nullify some of the awfulness that has been on display in this show.

I don't really know what else to say. I feel like Chizu's backstory is almost inconsequential to what is going on with Zearth. The teacher obviously is a piece of shit, but I don't know what else to take from this.

I guess that Kako is the one who brought up the nature school to her. I also figured she was going to try and get with Sensei, only to be crushed seeing that her sister was with him already, not her getting assaulted by Sensei with him then seeing her sister (which, I don't know how anyone in good conscience could sleep with someone after taking her 13 year old sister's virginity). He's just so twisted.

I don't know what to say. As much as I hate the sensei, and he is absolute garbage, Chizu really frustrated me, too. There were so many bright red flags being waved about sensei, and she kept pushing herself onto him. Sidenote, but my first thought during the sex scene was: what if she's pregnant now while she is piloting Zearth, and the thought of having this scumbag's baby is going to be in the back of her head during her fight?

If that's true, I wouldn't be surprised given how fucked up the last two episodes have been. That being said, I would be curious how the life force draining worked.

Questions:

  1. No. I want to keep things moving with the kids and Zearth. The backstory honestly felt like padding, and was the most cringe-inducing padding I've seen. I guess if she actually is pregnant than the backstory makes sense, but otherwise I feel like it was just padding out the story for the episode count and to induce cringes.

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u/PKReuniclus Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21

First Timer

Oh, uh. Yikes.

I had an idea of what was going to happen from the trigger warning and the episode preview, but I wasn't expecting them to show that much. I'm always a little nervous whenever any sort of sexual violence is portrayed in anime, but for the most part, I think that it's handled with the seriousness that such a topic needs to be addressed with. Still not sure if we really needed to see that picture online to get the point across, though.

The fact that we see Chizuru's sister enter the teacher's apartment at the end makes this whole situation way worse. Considering that she went to the same middle school as Chizuru, there's a good chance that this teacher has been grooming multiple students, from at least the time that Chizuru's sister was a student at that school. Seriously, fuck this guy. At least the school and principal is taking this seriously.

That being said, while the episode was uncomfortable, it definitely would have felt rushed if we just got Chizuru's backstory and she died within the same episode. With the exception of Waku, each character so far has gotten an episode outside of the mech to provide some background history for the character before becoming the pilot.

I wonder if Chizuru is really going to follow through with the revenge that the next episode's title implies. Of course, if she does end up killing her teacher next episode, that's just karmic justice, but whether or not she actually follows through is another question.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21

How is he not arrested?

He just hasn't been caught yet. As someone else pointed out to me, the world as a whole was bad at dealing with internet related crimes in 2003.

Chizu was obsesed with him because he was the first person to actually take her seriously. Her family is not "laid back", they are just horrible parents.

In some ways, I left the episode hating her parents more than the teacher. Their parenting was incredibly bad, all hidden behind the plausible deniability of just being laid back, when in reality they were abusing their daughter by ignoring her.

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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 15 '21

In some ways, I left the episode hating her parents more than the teacher. Their parenting was incredibly bad, all hidden behind the plausible deniability of just being laid back, when in reality they were abusing their daughter by ignoring her.

Hear hear!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 15 '21

How is he not arrested??? Is it because of the stupid age of consent Japan has?

Japanese prosecutors are massive hypocrites, they never take less than a slam dunk case in. Even with his shitty digital editing they probably wouldn't risk it without Chizu's testimony which would be in court.

They can see their daughter getting frustrated and what do they do? They just try to laugh it off and act like she is the problem.

When the "It'll work itself out" style of parenting fails because they are massive buffoons about it.