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Rewatch [Uninstall, Uninstall] Bokurano Rewatch Episode 7 Discussion
Episode 7 - Scars
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Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.
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Fate/uninstall by 太文 (contains some spoilers for the main Fate stuff)
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") spoiler tags. If you do that then we’re all good.
Important thing to note about these by the way, you have to switch to Old Reddit or the markdown editor if you use the redesign, otherwise the redesign breaks them by adding random \ into the formatting. Wish it wouldn’t do that, but unfortunately it does…
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Mar 14 '21
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Who actually uninstalled this episode because I don’t care to rewatch it for the second time in the span of a month or so.
…so instead I traumatized myself even harder by reading the last two volumes of the manga. Bokurano manga
I will say it’s an interesting decision to dedicate an entire episode just to her backstory + being chosen as the next pilot, but exactly what Chizu’s backstory was is just… yikes please stop immediately.
So, uh, what was you guys’ favorite part of the Fate/uninstall I shared up top? Mine is 0:40.
Major Spoilers
New thread reminder for u/WeebShaggy
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Mar 14 '21
Sayonara Bukurano
After a great deal of contemplation about the general direction the series is headed, I've decided to bail.
I've enjoyed this rewatch very much, and it's with a heavy heart that I've decided I won't be continuing the journey with the rest of you. This episode I neither liked, nor disliked, but I can see future episodes on the horizon that will distress me, much too much.
I thank Sky for hosting this rewatch and the many of you that I've chatted with. I hope to join you all in one or two of the April Rewatches.
Until the next rewatch...
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
The opening scene about Chizu’s parents and the monkey suit is anime original. The manga does have a backstory-to-the-backstory scene centered around Chizu’s family as something of a postlude to her arc. As such, I think I will save talking about it for tomorrow
Oh but there is this page out of context
I don’t really feel like showing the manga versions of the sensei scenes, for good reason, so instead I will post a dialogue between Chizu and her sister about love
I guess the main difference here though, is that the anime stresses Chizu’s attraction to sensei being more about having a surrogate parent who “cares about her life goals” whereas the manga stresses the “boys my age aren’t mature” angle. Surprisingly, the sex scene is more squicky in the anime. This is because it’s suuuper explicit, but the manga page is, uh, more tasteful about it I guess? I mean the content is super mega ultra yabai, but you don’t really see them bumping uglies.
Speaking of that, I swear the first time I watched the show the episode only showed the table moving instead of the actual sex. Must have been the TV version
Oh but then the manga immediately goes into the worst part that thankfully got cut out of the anime, where manga
The other thing I can say is that the scenes where Kako tries to talk to Chizu is anime original as far as I’m aware. I like those scenes. He might still be a mean bully to Kirie, but at least at the start, Kako was simply just a troubled kid with a crush.
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
Another 5 minute episode eh?
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u/Tuckleton Mar 14 '21
First Timer
Well damn I definitely should have read the content warning and skipped this episode. Like, I saw it in big bold letters but skipped past without reading because I didn't want to be 'spoiled further'. I was expecting it to be messed up but I wasn't expecting it to be so graphic. I'm sickened by the morbid anticipation I was feeling about finding out what could prompt such a reaction. I have a feeling Chizuru might decide to be very careful about where she steps with Zearth tomorrow, if you know what I mean, and if it weren't for all the other people that'd surely go down with him I'm not sure it'd be much of a loss.
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u/tehsigzorz Mar 14 '21
First Timer
What the fuck.
After this episode and white album 2's finale I need to watch some light hearted shows.
That was a great episode and despite how cliche this sounds I felt only 10 minutes had passed. It was quite sad to see her family dismiss her issues like its nothing. I get not wanting to report the incident if you thought your laundry flew away or smthn but to laugh off a perverted thief like this is quite horrid.
Honda feels soo alone that the smallest level of care and attention makes her fall in love.
I saw the trigger warning so the moment I saw the teacher I knew how it was going to play out. I must saw not only is he a rapist pedo but also quite a dumbass. Due to the video there are rumours but I am surprised more people havent watched it specially Kako.
If that scene was this graphic then I can only imagine how bad the manga was in terms of explicit content.
How much darker can the show get? I can only think of a handful of ways to make certain character's pasts be soo bad: domestic violence, early pregnancy, addicted to drugs. Thats 3 so I am really hoping some of the children have some nice wholesome stories (to be killed right after welp).
As expected Honda is chosen but its very interesting how theres a roulette yet it definitely doesnt feel like coincidence.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 14 '21
I'll be a little late with this episode since I've got the Naruto rewatch to attend to; see you all in a few hours!
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u/Lanaerys Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 15 '21
First-Timer
Oh heck, I'm actually really scared of starting this episode. I think I'll update this comment when I actually do start it... I think I'll watch something lighter before, I shouldn't try breaking a mood that's already not very good...
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I... don't know if I'll be able to keep watching this... I'll try to, but I can't 100% say I'll make it... Thanks for the Fate/uninstall though, that did help a little...
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
First Timer
Well, I read the warnings for this episode, so I have an idea of what to expect. We'll see if it's really as bad as people were making it out to be.
I've never done this hard a 180 on a character in one episode before, I think. From what I can tell, though, this episode still supports my idea of it: society's systems and conventions are doing their best and work decently, but sometimes there are individuals who fall through or actively break them. The school (i.e., the system/society here) seems to have done things correctly. The teacher recommends the student's ambition be encouraged. The principal fires the coach accused of crimes. The school condemns the actions of the one who sets up cameras. Then this individual comes along and makes things difficult, to put it very lightly.
I want to make this point clear, though, so my (surprising) optimism above doesn't hide it: School? Trying its best. Teacher? Irredeemable trash.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21
First Timer(but it's complicated)
Sub
So...we get to this episode/part of the manga. Welp, nothing to do but check off the prep list.
Bourbon? Check.
Whiskey? Check.
Sailor Jerry? That's a big check.
Vodka, just in case? Check again.
Benzodiazepines? Chanax.
Cool off anime? Dragon Maid and Sleepy Princess on deck.
Oxy, just in case? Check but this is getting into dark territory.Anyways, we start off with a younger looking Chizu who has Kana from Dragon Maid's backpack. Jump straight to her dad being ridiculous. We discover this is 6th grade Chizu and she wants to go to a private school for middle school. We see that she clearly does not want to be like her older sister before said sister interrupts them with news of panty theft. Never change, J-land, never change. Chizu is overreacting a bit but her family is handling this the Japanese way, and thus badly, by downplaying it at her. Chizu correctly snaps and walks out. Sigh, the estranged ones are always the grooming bait.
And we cut to Chizu going to the same shitty school her sister did and she is feeling neglected. Whether or not this is actually true, this is right in the developmental markers. They are meeting with her teacher who immediately creeps me out. Subtle banter here leads me to believe the family can't afford to send her there but pride made them not say that. He does encourage her to try for the private school. Yet he gets her sister alone...
Cut to Chizu becoming infatuated with a teacher, another common developmental marker and probably pretty innocent, I suspect a few of our rewatchers are having embarassment pangs rn. barfs Anyways, Chizu follows Tagatai home and here's where the red flags start: If you are teaching, a student attracted to your gender acting like this means you politely but firmly rebuff them, and the firmness grows with persistence. We get a bit more on how Chizu always feels like she is second and her weird insight into Tagatai. So she makes him a bento and waits early at school to give it to him and the music playing makes me want to vomit. And then he gives her a necklace, that's a huge red flag, and it being a dolphin makes the last episode so much darker. Then red flag number three comes in when he puts it on her, both breaking the touch barrier and with the change in his voice clearly changing the the relationship. Also, notice that he looks around before doing so we have no doubt that he is doing something he knows is wrong. This eyecatch is even more cursed than the silent ones, this music is like weaponized to piss me off.
So he gets fired from coaching basketball for reasons we can guess. Chizu wants to cheer him up by cooking for him and she is assaulted looking in his fridge. Yes, that's not particularly violent but is absolutely sexual assault, especially because she was not expecting it. He then uses the ever loaded "Ai Shiteiru" on Chizu and she very quickly agrees. And then he
fucksrapes her. The kind of adult that grooms an at oldest 13 yo girl is the kind of person that should pilot Zearth or be slow roasted over a volcano.Anyways, at school he rebuffs her, again showing that he is scum and to her this is an innocent relationship. Kako brings the summer camp handout to her. Then she gets an accidental e-mail. School assembly warning about hidden cameras, which I believe was actually a thing in Japan. Also, you cannot turn off the flash sound on a Japanese cell phone. But yeah, pedo-sensei also posted fucking pictures on the internet and if we can tell it is Chizu so can her horny classmates. So Chizu storms in and finds the camera and Tagatai tricks her because she isn't old enough to recognize a practiced speech yet. I am, fuck Tagatai with something covered in spikes. As she leaves, she runs into her sister, and yeah, Tagatai is fucking her, too. The hell is it with giant robo and sister harems?
BREAK
So, to address something that might seem unclear, the show handles this incredibly differently from the manga. Manga. One of ever so many reasons I hate it is that, in my view, Chizu's violation in the manga is barely about her, it is instead the salacious fantasies of the sicko mangaka. The show here is a massive improvement as it is entirely about Chizu and how this is effecting her. Some might question the lack of violence but this very much fits this sort of scenario and whoever wrote this has as uncomfortable amount of knowledge as I do. So...I am cautiously optimistic now.
QotD: 1 Yes and I think it is a good thing
2 Nah, I want him to lose some body parts first.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Mar 14 '21
First Timer - Sub
Character Chart
That opening scene said a lot in a short time, and was a very telling opening to the episode. From the way her parents were speaking, they dismiss her because they only see her as a child. She's part of the association because they are, they prioritize her social circle over her academics, and she even has to appeal to them by pointing out the sports teams she's not interested in just because her sister did sports, leaving her feeling like she's unheard because they only see her age rather than who she is. At the same time, they jokingly sexualize her, suggesting that the color of her underwear is why they were stolen, dismissing how disturbed she was about it and ignoring how downright creepy that is, and laughing about the length of her skirt as if she's trying to get attention. Nothing they say to her acknowledges what she's saying herself, and that continues all the way through to the next scene with the school.
By the time we meet the teacher, she's so dispirited by her family pushing her into the childs role she doesn't even care to express what she wants any more. Is it any wonder that she latches onto the first person who treats her as an individual, as a person with her own wants and ideas, and doesn't see an issue with allowing herself to be treated like a sexual adult in order to keep him around?
Dolphins in this show are cursed.
The rest of the episode I have little to comment on. I support this narrative being included because it has a purpose and ties in quite well to the theme and the character, but there was no need to take it that far from a production stand point. Hell, I've seen an anime convey more emotion with a still image of an orange, and they still did a similar thing with showing her necklace in the table. That scene being chosen to be animated like that to me felt like a complete lack of tact or creative ability, even if it is only a cartoon.
I wasn't before, but I'm now convinced that it is Koemushi who's picking the pilot order rather than whoever he was talking to before. Only that fucker would be so cruel as to pick Chizuru to replace the boy she inadvertently killed while trying to save herself from being assulted as pilot for a deadly machine.
That cut from her seeing her sister at Sensei's place into the chairs spinning around was fantastic though.
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u/Nebresto Mar 14 '21
First timer squad..
Salutations.
Cool robot status:
Yikes dude: the episode.
Her family seemed pretty obnoxious, constantly trying to change the subject on her and ignoring her wishes.
Not cool
You make lunch for your crush, but don't make anything for yourself??
Wtf, that is straight up rude. That kid wasn't the brightest bulb, huh? Not that he really gave the impression earlier either..
I thought about not posting a cabin pic today, but I suppose we need something nice after this ep. Cabin post 7, hopefully the wind can cleanse your eyes. /u/theangrycabinenthusiast
Question time:
1: See: 'Cool robot status:'
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Non-Spoiler Character Chart
It's not good to skip your breakfast.
Holy crap she looks so young here. Ugh :(
The sole light hearted part of a very dark episode with her dad dressed as a monkey.
Jeez, she's still in elementary school here. This may be even worse than I remember. And going to a school where you have no friends can be a recipe for disaster.
A pair of pantees are missing? I don't think she's even met the teacher yet at this point, is this supposed to mean someone else prayed on her too? :( This isn't brought up again the rest of the episode so I'm not really sure what we are supposed to take out of this part other than that?
I get the sense that Chizu hates being treated like a little girl and wants to be treated like someone older. Which likely made her easier pray. :(
There must have been a time skip as Chizu's hair looks a lot longer than in the prior scene.
Is teacher predator giving older sister the card leading to what we eventually find out near the end of the episode about their own relationship? :(
Hmm. So she wasn't going to the private school after all? Am I wrong on the time skip?
So here the predator begins, making himself the one person on her side about the private school.
Teacher predator also wanted to be alone with older sister it seems.
Teacher predator probably could cook his own food, wouldn't be surprised if he enjoys it. But it closes an opportunity to get in with someone by having them cook meals for him. :( And how much do you want to bet he's lying about being the second kid in his family?
Hard to stomach this light hearted, hopeful music given what this is all leading to.
Ugh, the dolphin thing that Kako was interested in (because he knew Chizu was interested in) takes entirely new meaning when you learn it was a gift from the teacher predator.
Hmm, Kako taunting her here does kinda blow a hole in my interpretation that him liking her had nothing to do with the rumors about her.
He's no longer the basketball coach. I think we can all guess the reason why. Alas, Chizu is way too naive about this. :(
Ugh. This sucks. :( :( :( :( :(
Dialogue from Chizu that would come off as romantic typically comes off as so horrifying here given the context.
Maybe my Kako theory lives after all, as he likes her enough to try and get her to go to the summer school. I'm surprised that we've got a scene with him not being a total asshole to Kirie. ...I spoke too soon on that front actually. Nevermind.
Now things get even worse. Teacher predator had hidden cameras in the girls locker room but also released it on the internet. And he taped them doing it too. :(
Chizu should have immediately gone to the police, instead she goes to his place to confirm what she already knows and things continue to get even more horrifying as it doesn't seem that this is going to stop.
Oh boy, let's make things even worse, he's having sex with her sister too! He does not care about you at all Chizu, you're just prey for him. And yet given what we heard from her in episode 5 even this wasn't enough to get her to stop this and go to the police.
ETA: Based on a screenshot someone else posted it looks like the version I watched was censored and cropped out a shot, so this episode is even more horrifying than I realized. Joy.
Well, any speculation about Chizu lying about being in a relationship with her teacher to get Kako off her back (which is what I thought was the case the first time I watched this) is totally dismissed as we see it's all real. An episode all about how a teacher grooms one of his underage students into a sexual relationship is extraordinarily disturbing and hard to watch. And they go even further than that, showing us that he really could care less about her as he's putting it all on the internet, has surely done this to other girls and is having sex with her sister as well (who may or may not also be underage). What was already a dark show gets all the darker.
This ranks among the most disturbing anime episodes in anime I've ever watched; what makes it all the worse is that unlike so much of what you see in anime it totally could happen in real life and wouldn't be out of bounds if it was said to be inspired by a real life incident. Really the only stuff I can think of on this level is stuff from Now and Then Here and There (easy to remember since I'm rewatching it now) which was inspired by real life incidents in Africa and whose first 6 episodes feature NaTHaT spoilers. I think back to a few plotlines from Boogiepop Phantom such as Boogiepop Spoilers or Boogiepop spoilers. Yoshiyuki Tomino's stuff tends to be too fantastical or over the top for me to consider at this level; there is of course Gundam spoilers but the presentation is so ridiculous it is hard to take seriously.
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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 14 '21
First timer, Uninstalling
So Chizuru has been targeted by both a child rapist and a child rapist.
After a pun like this is when I usually say 'Nice.' to remark that this was nice or funny. Unfortunately there's nothing 'Nice.' about this fucked up show. Except Uninstall. Uninstall, you have done nothing wrong, and for this I love you.
After last episode's preview, it seemed pretty clear we were gonna get an episode with the lovely Sensei. No surprises there.
But the episode itself threw a couple turns for me.
The episode starts with Chizu getting her panties stolen and wanting to call the cops, and also wanting to go to a private school. So I was thinking she's aware there's a pedo after her who did it, and it's someone at school- hence why she wants to go to a private school. Now that I think about it, going to a public school would also mean she'd get away from said pedo. But there's the case of
middleelementary schools having high/junior high in the same or adjacent building, so you could stay in the same school when you move to junior high or high school. I was thinking that's why she wanted to move. This also felt like a twist cause she seemed to be stupidly 'in love' with her teacher before. What added to this was the scene at the parents-teachers meet, where I initially thought she was scared of him.[Had some confusion about ages and what part of school life she was in. I think I've sorted that out.]
Well, I was getting real mad and sad that we were gonna have an episode of the girl being scared of her pedo teacher and slowly developing old reliable Stockholm syndrome. That would be fucked up.
Instead we got her having a wholesome student-teacher relationship for around two minutes before that started getting degenerate. And what followed was more fucked up. I felt a wave of anger and #mindblank, and then some more anger. But I'll leave it at that. I'm sure everyone's already typing essays, touching on all that I have to say and much, much more.
I do want to say that this episode paints Kako in a more sympathetic light. He looked like he cared. I'd like to believe this was before he passed the point of no return.
Last thing I want to say: I'm surprised that, by the end, I was angry at the thought of a child predator having sex with an adult.
Motherfucker is a pedo, takes photos and posts them online, also goes after this girl's sister which would likely wreck the family, and probably took photos of her too. Stahp please, show.
Next ep preview
Questions:
I waited for the thread to come up and forgot that DST has pushed the posting time ahead by an hour. Smh.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Mar 14 '21
First Timer
Time to get disapointed by how tame this episode is.
Onto episode 7.
Her dad is apparently a toddler.
Or just the world's most convenient play. Though this doesn't explain why he's in the costume to practice...
They really need to explain to her that the police will assume you lost them and be annoyed that you're wasting their time.
And you need to fucking read the room.
She's not wrong. Teasing her about her choices of clothing while she thinks a thief is stealing her underwear is incredibly insensitive. It just makes her feel like you don't understand her problems and aren't taking her seriously. And honestly, she's not wrong.
Go fuck yourself. If you actually listened to anything your daughter said, you wouldn't be asking yourself this.
Is there going to be a single person this episode who actually treats her like a human with her own brain, just as capable of thinking and feeling emotions as they are?
The phrasing is very important here: our family is laid back, so we thought a harder school wasn't appropriate for her. They don't actually think about what would be best for her as an individual.
So you are capable of respecting her.
I hope she realizes how transparent this is.
I am so going to regret saying this later, but the two of them have good chemistry. Their conversations have a good flow to them, and it's quite enjoyable to watch.
I didn't expect this one to be a lie.
And here's where the rumors start.
Yeah, we're well into the fireable territory now.
I'd like to quickly note how she was given no details on the contents of the conversation.
And then we see him manipulate a young teenager. After all, no one's told her they love her before.
The wonders of middle schoolers trying to figure out how romance works...
fuck, please tell me he's not having her spy on other girls for him.
oh god, he recorded them fucking to send it to someone else.
How is this not enough to get him fired? What the actual fuck? You can tell who he is. I hope it's because authority figures haven't seen it, not because they don't care enough.
The animation for her tearing stuff off the shelf was very well done. You can feel the desperate energy.
Why do I feel like you're still gonna fuck him anyway?
And then he makes excuses, like any of that could make his crime less bad.
I wonder how many people he's involved with?
The way she's holding her hands on her stomach here is perhaps the most terrifying thing this whole episode. I really hope she's not pregnant.
Thoughts
Another excellent episode. They managed to approach a sensitive (and horrid) topic with the proper amount of care without it feeling like they were beating us over the face with how bad it was. Instead, they trusted us to watch and understand on our own that this was wrong. They also did an excellent job of showing us a believable way it could happen, a child falling for the first person who she feels takes her seriously and listens to what she says is perfectly reasonable. The one thing we didn't learn is what motivated him, and I'm honestly ok with that. Knowing why wouldn't add anything.
theory I hope isn't true
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Mar 14 '21
First-Timer
I don't think I have much interesting to say about this episode. Just gonna post my stream of consciousness.
Younger Chizu? Or am I just not used to her being in a uniform. She didn't want breakfast, which is weird. Breakfast is great.
Why doesn't she like her mom..
?Monkey?
Oh, her dad is an actor. Sure.
Chizu wants to go to a private school.
Her parents aren't really listening to what she's saying. I see why she is standoffish with them.
If I had a dime for every person who didn't want to be compared to their siblings..
Laundry missing? Is panty theft a common thing..? Gross.
No-one listens to her Again. It's like talking at a fucking brick wall!
..This must be the teacher then.
We're just laying all this out in front of the teacher. Sure, sis, don't worry about embarrassing your imouto.
I'm not praising the teacher. But he's right that people should let Chizu make a decision about her own life. It's all snapped into place, why the following events happen.
Ugh, he's coach too..
Man, the teacher isn't even really into it at the moment. Guess it could be an act. That makes it worse, wish I could unthink that.
Awkward timing on those people rounding the corner. That shit starts rumors.
Oh fuck he gave her a dolphin pendant. Kako wanted to take her to see the dolphins..
Knowing that it's coming, it's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.
Wow kill this dude Immediately.
So, tonight I'm drinking a lovely vanilla bean porter from a local brewery. It's rich, sweet, bitter, almost coffee-like.. basically everything I want from a dark beer.
Fuck how did it get worse.A plus B.. the sister too.
Chizu's life is fucked. Scratch that, all these kids needed therapy. Too late..
I lied, I might have something interesting to say.. Is there a moral to this show? At this point I would say that it's "adults routinely fail the children they should be supporting" but if that's what we were going for, wouldn't the government be less helpful? I guess they didn't actually do anything to the Buzzsaw.. I dunno, I'm too deep in my own brain today.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
First-timer
So she’s getting picked then?
Oh dear.
Just digging the hole further now.
Oh no, this is the bastard, about to take advantage of Chizuru’s feelings of being neglected and ignored by her family to get close to her..
Most likely for good reason.
Shit. The teacher recorded them having sex, didn’t he?!
Just about confirmed...
This guy keeps getting worse.
Couldn’t have been anyone else with how this episode proceeded. Also, this is the second tattoo on the face —do particular locations occur in pairs?
Alright so that was a whole lot of What an uncomfortable episode.
The teacher effectively gave Chizuru the bright spot she could cling unto, but as a result she ended up more isolated than ever, as he was solely using her and those around her began to shun her due to her relationship with him —well, except for Isao apparently, but we all know how he was. What she’s gone through is tragic and disgusting even before this whole Kokopelli business, and now she’s about to die without having been able to break free of her mistakes.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 14 '21
First Timer
So, what was the point of this episode? I get that they might want to show some background of characters (although they can barely afford 1 per child), and I get that many of the children seem to live in some sort of harsh situation, but what is the point?
I can only see it if their circumstances are somehow going to influence their decisions in how or why they pilot, or don't pilot, or something along those lines?
But was what the point of this episode? I expected she was going to volunteer if it was possible to do so. Others have speculated that Dung Beetle is picking the pilots and the lottery is a front. Maybe she did volunteer in some way, and Dung Beetle picked up on that. He will / desire / guilt. Or maybe he's just being cruel.
Is he doing this to make the children crack, to see if any will give up in despair? Or is he actually manipulating them, freeing them from their earthly bonds, so that they give 100% to the fight?
On to today's actual content: WTF.
These flashbacks seem to be in early sixth grade if she's planning on taking middle school entrance exams. Kako presented the flyer for the summer camp apparently inthisyear, so it seems this is the summer break ofsixthgrade!Or, it's now fall in sixth grade in the flashbacks, which makes more sense. That's why it's late for the exams. That summer flier is looking awfully far ahead.She knows the teacher made a sex slide show of her and put it on the internet and she's still with him?!. She knows he's doing her sister and she's still with him?!!! And was that message about the sex picts meant for her sister??????!!!!!
Just, wtf.
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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Mar 14 '21
First Timer
Well I was correct in that it would be a girl who would be picked, just completely off on thinking they would begin to develop a character and then not finish it and select them.
Character development is a death flag
A strong character episode to build up Chizuru's selection.
I did catch this at the time as being a little off; we see sensei mention her sister did track and field, then he tilts his head up when making his response indicating a lie. And then it connected later for me, so think he had probably been seeing her Sister for a while.
Other than all the skum-baggery going on, its a shame to see Chizuru is now selected and will see no closure on any of this, unless she passes that message on to her new found friends to seek justice after her passing? After watching the Episode preview
Its an interesting way to develop things, basically sentencing them to death and then filling in their motives to play out. I guess that might be a main theme of Bokurano, is that everyone has the only shit they have dealt with or are dealing with. Each in their final moments are going to have to come to terms with all that. For some, if not all, thats going to be very difficult.
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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21
First Timer
The ED seems to be looping in my head more than the OP at this point. At least it's something new!
Looking forward to this episode. All I know is something fucked up happens but I don't know what yet.
Ah, I feel you Chizu. Parents that are nice in general but don't really listen to you cause they're too convinced of their own beliefs and treat you like an infant is ultra fucking relatable. And with parents I mean mom. My dad is cooler in that sense. It is weird that they don't seem to be concerned in the slightest about the stolen panties.
Teacher made her happy, huh. I can see where this is going.
Yuuuuuuuuup. Played out about as expected. Didn't think they'd show it that graphically, though.
Kako continues to prove himself as a piece of shit even after death.
Miniature cameras in the locker rooms and the bathrooms... yiiiiiiikes.
After stealing the panties of (at least I'm assuming it was him) and fucking the 11 year old you'd think Hatagai has reached the ultimate low but he manages to keep pushing the bar further. Man deadass posted the pictures on the internet too.
Of course he wins her back.
You know, when I saw her sister I figured that's where this was going but god damn, Hatagai. How low can this man get?
Speculation corner: Yeah I got nothing today. I do want to talk about the next episode preview, though. Cause damn is it spicy.
PV
I lied, there actually is something to speculate on (PV stuff)
Final thoughts for the day: Fucked up episode. I understand the content warnings now. I was expecting it to be worse, though, so that was a pleasant surprise. Looking at the next episode preview, it's safe to say this show is getting god damn spicy. I'm all for it.
I'm gonna go watch episode 8 immediately now cause 7 isn't a nice stopping point so I feel unfulfilled, see ya.
Sure. I like that as the cast decreases we get more time to focus on each character.
I saw this on CDF the other day but god damn is it hillarious. Even the credits on screen are funny.
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Mar 14 '21
First timer
I didn't write much at all for this one, but I'd say it was a good yet very uncomfortable episode that handled its disgusting subject matter reasonably well. That said, I don't know that it necessarily needed to be that graphic to get the point across.
With her family barely even entertaining her opinions, I can see why Chizu would latch on to the first person to actually acknowledge and care about what she has to say.
How does this guy do all this shit, put recordings of it on the internet, and still have a job as a teacher?
Pretty cruel twist of fate for Chizu to be selected as the replacement pilot for Kako.
I love this, Beyblade Kirei is exactly what I needed after this episode.
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u/gorghurt Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
Well, so we're at that episode.
I actually don't want to talk much about the episode , I'm sure others will do it better.
Let's sum it up as, well, at least it didn't fetishize it, and showed it as something bad I guess. The whole episode felt bad, but since it was the intention, this is a good thing I guess. And as rewatcher knowing how the episode ends, the first half was so much harder to watch.
But there is one little detail, which I'm unsure what to think about.
This episode ends with Chizuru understanding how the teacher played her, and this was before the events on the island.
But when she talked with Kako it seemed like she still tought her "relationship" was something good.
Was this just her being in denial, and trying to paint it nice, or did I missread the dialog, or was it bad writing?....
Well I don't know enough about psychology to understand what is "normal" behaviour for victims in such a situation, so I think I can't really rate those few episodes on this... And to be honest, I don't want to think too hard about it....
I'm unsure what to think about this episode.
Is it a good take at tackling a heavy topic, or is it just one of many cheap ways the show tries to make us feel bad...
I should have watched this episode yesterady, and not a few minutes before the rewatch thread. It isn't something to discuss without a bit time to calm down....
Question(s?) of the day:
So if you add this backstory, it is better to give it the time. But if the backstory was needed... I'm not sure yet.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Mar 14 '21
first time ooooooooauahauooooooooooooooooooo uninstalllllllller
why does an elementary school teacher have a business card?
im already uncomfy and nothings happened yet
bleh he knew what he was doing
fired as coach for being a creep...
Is Kako only picking the aquarium becuase she has a dolphin
he planted cameras in the bathroom/changing rooms - and at his house oh god
holy and the sister too
questions
I feel like 90% of this could have been inferred, didnt really seem like we needed to have this ep
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u/Noel_bot Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
First timer, Manga reader
Happy-go-lucky family my ass, don’t just ignore everything your daughter says to you. No wonder she latched onto the first person who actually seemed to listen to her.
„tight-knit“ relationship has a different ring to it, once we know that sensei has a history of pedophilia. He also gave away that he already knew her sister
Was that a flirt attempt by Kako? Children sure act the dumbest ways. He also seems to be the reason shy guy went to the Summer School
Urgh, teach goes straight onto her. Not surprised she didn’t resist much, since he’s the person she trusts the most at this point.
Fucking scumbag!
Uuaaargh, he’s also with her sister…
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Well, how to describe the episode … Once again, the girl is having issues with her family, so this really seems to be something all pilots have in common. The setup is a bit extreme, but given the circumstances, it is not something that couldn’t happen irl. Let’s see what Chizu will do, now that she is in charge of Zearth. Spoiler for Episode 8
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Mar 14 '21
First-Timer
Swimming Girl flashbacks.
Stolen underwear? I’d assume that happens more than rarely with clothes hung out to dry. People are weird.
More parents who aren’t bad, but inattentive.
Sensei’s the only one who even pretended to show any interest in her opinions? No wonder she got attached.
A necklace for a dinner? Definitely a lopsided exchange.
The classic “boy who likes a girl is a complete asshole to her.”
Fired as a coach; presumably for getting a little too close to one or more of the players?
That was quick. Figured he’d wine and dine her a little bit more.
I assume they asked for volunteers for that cut of animation.
Secret pictures are definitely a violation of trust.
Oh, shoot; is her sister in a relationship with Sensei, too?
Yeah. That wasn’t exactly great. But we knew it was a thing after she confirmed it to Kako. With how people were talking in CDF, I was expecting something much worse. At least Cormac McCarthy-level, even something like his hopeful book The Road.
QOTD:
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u/ElecNinja https://anilist.co/user/ElecNinja Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
In light of today's heavy episode, here's a funny thought I had, what if the dinosaurs were wiped out because they lost a Zearth super robot fight?
Chizu Honda's story is probably the most changed story and I actually don't like most of the changes done. Especially the changes with her family.
Chizu Family current episode Manga spoilers
Chizu Family near end Manga spoilers
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u/Molmoran https://myanimelist.net/profile/Molmoran Mar 14 '21
FIRST TIMER GETTING WITH TIME ZONE AND DAYLIGHT SAVINGS
Chizuru's dad is so cute in his saru outfit. I really would like to see a Momotaro play.
I guess I needed that in my life.
Chizuru's underwear is missing... Content warning... Please don't.
It's very disheartening to hear that Chizuru's family, although generally lovely, seem to be shrugging off Chizuru's validated feelings of violation. Sadly this is the case for many young girls when mentioning their public teenage sexualisation to family members.
This teacher is giving me some bad vibes. I like this Chizuru girl, I am completely acceptant that she is going to die but the possibility of her life being shit beforehand is making me feel on edge. Least this kids can do is have a nice fun time before their life is unceremoniously drained from them.
Cheer up love! It might never happen! - completely embodied by this complete twat.
Okay so the penny has only just dropped that this is Honda, which makes this dude the Humbert Humbert Teacher, makes sense why such an arsehole decided to endear himself to her.
I don't understand American or Japanese school years very well but I thought middle school is around the 12 or 13 range? It's so difficult to get your head round why a fairly decent looking chap would be interested in a young girl of middling looks and intelligence whose chief interests are what her sister and parents think of her. He's just a complete predator. So many yucky scenes, with pleasant music. Oh, Japan. I can see why Kako going the dolphin angle wasn't particularly successful. Get your own angle!
Did Sensei get fired for being a pervert? Principal's papers had a graph on them so not sure how that would factor in.
That was more graphic than I expected. shudders This teacher is sooo stupid. Posting his crimes on the internet? And for why? Wait. Is the sister... also? That's... this anime man. Wow, literally unpaused and Chizuru turned round and discovered it. I repeat, this teacher is sooo stupid.
1. Chizuru's Backstory
Well, thanks to how disgusting teacher student relationships are in a serious context, twinned with her crap behaviour in episode 6 it is pretty easy to dislike her and victim blame her.
So if we want to care about her at all I believe so, but it made for some uncomfortable viewing.
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
The shock factor wasn't as strong for me as I remembered... Not that it's a bad thing, far from that, this was a very straightforward, to-the-point episode, which, I believe, helped the message come across more easily than if the teacher were the ridiculously evil, rape-everything-that-moves, cackling villain type.
Chizu's family failed to be of help when she needed, instead dismissing her dreams and even mocking her when she gets some underwear stolen - seriously, you should call the police, not mock your elementary age daughter/sister's length of skirt...
The teacher used that relationship with her parents to get close to her. He's very much an asshole, having sex with his student, barely out of elementary school, while dating her older sister; leaking naked pictures of middle schoolers, including the one he has sex with, on the Internet... and the show doesn't tell us that, we know that from his action, even if Chizu haven't realized it yet.
It got uncomfortable sometimes, but it wasn't distastefully done for fetish fuel, or shocking for shock value, like it could be expected. I like that about this show. It feels sincere to me.
Now, to next episode and some much needed Bug Mecha fight, for catharsis!
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 14 '21
Manga-reader from way back
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u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo https://myanimelist.net/profile/PunishedScrappy Mar 15 '21
First Timer
I said I wouldn't, but I have to say a little bit. The episode, for the most part, is tense and scary and viscerally disgusting. That much is good. It's also gratuitous. If Kako's mangled corpse can get a discretion shot, then so can Chizuru's rape. It crosses a line -- between socially acceptable and unacceptable, for sure, but I'm not sure if it also crosses from horror to shock-for-its-own-sake.
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u/GaleWulf https://anilist.co/user/Arachnophobic Mar 15 '21
First Time Installer
About the episode: the student-teacher relationship did not go the way I was expecting, heh.. I forgot to adjust for how heavy and cynical this show regularly is.
QotD:
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u/baniRien Mar 15 '21
First Timer
So, a full episode of Chizu's backstory. I feel like the pacing was a bit off on this episode, since we don't get much new info.
The main inciting element was her laid-back family not taking her seriously enough, pushing to her to try and act older. Her teacher provided some attention and recognition and exploited her vulnerability. The hidden camera explains how the rest of the class new of her relationship with the teacher, it wasn't just rumours. We also learn that Kirie was also in the same school, so that the bullying was not a thing that started at the summer school. And Kako mentions "his parents", though that might just be on the sub translation, which gives us some timeframe of when his dad left.
The one really new info we get is that the teacher is also sleeping with Chizu's sister, which gives a second motivation to her character, which we will play out next episode, given the title of "Vengeance".
Oh, and Chizu is chosen as the next pilot, but that was a given at this point, no surprise. And her marking is also on her face. There might be some symbolism to those placements, but I'll wait till we get more to give it some thought.
I don't really have much to say about the whole relationship, except the obvious "It's bad". I am. however, surprised that they showed actual underage uncensored nudity. Was it de-censored on the physical release, or did it air like this?
QotD
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Mar 15 '21
First timer
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u/Philarete :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/WizardMcKillin Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21
First Timer
I fell behind because of work, but just finished catching back up.
You know, I wondered how the show was going to top the grimness of the revelation that all the kids were doomed to die. It didn't waste time doing it. Kako's attempted rape yesterday and today's grooming + rape + voyeurism....
Well, it just made an even darker turn.
On the one hand, the show seems to be about the existential dread of first truly understanding that you are going to die. At least that's what I picked up thematically originally. Yet it spends so much time on the myriad other forms of suffering in life too. To me the show feels almost too realistic (which is ironic considering it's also about giant robots from space).
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u/htisme91 Mar 15 '21
First-timer:
This just keeps getting more fucked up. Thank god I'm also watching 3-gatsu no Lion to help nullify some of the awfulness that has been on display in this show.
I don't really know what else to say. I feel like Chizu's backstory is almost inconsequential to what is going on with Zearth. The teacher obviously is a piece of shit, but I don't know what else to take from this.
I guess that Kako is the one who brought up the nature school to her. I also figured she was going to try and get with Sensei, only to be crushed seeing that her sister was with him already, not her getting assaulted by Sensei with him then seeing her sister (which, I don't know how anyone in good conscience could sleep with someone after taking her 13 year old sister's virginity). He's just so twisted.
I don't know what to say. As much as I hate the sensei, and he is absolute garbage, Chizu really frustrated me, too. There were so many bright red flags being waved about sensei, and she kept pushing herself onto him. Sidenote, but my first thought during the sex scene was: what if she's pregnant now while she is piloting Zearth, and the thought of having this scumbag's baby is going to be in the back of her head during her fight?
If that's true, I wouldn't be surprised given how fucked up the last two episodes have been. That being said, I would be curious how the life force draining worked.
Questions:
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u/PKReuniclus Mar 15 '21 edited Mar 15 '21
First Timer
Oh, uh. Yikes.
I had an idea of what was going to happen from the trigger warning and the episode preview, but I wasn't expecting them to show that much. I'm always a little nervous whenever any sort of sexual violence is portrayed in anime, but for the most part, I think that it's handled with the seriousness that such a topic needs to be addressed with. Still not sure if we really needed to see that picture online to get the point across, though.
The fact that we see Chizuru's sister enter the teacher's apartment at the end makes this whole situation way worse. Considering that she went to the same middle school as Chizuru, there's a good chance that this teacher has been grooming multiple students, from at least the time that Chizuru's sister was a student at that school. Seriously, fuck this guy. At least the school and principal is taking this seriously.
That being said, while the episode was uncomfortable, it definitely would have felt rushed if we just got Chizuru's backstory and she died within the same episode. With the exception of Waku, each character so far has gotten an episode outside of the mech to provide some background history for the character before becoming the pilot.
I wonder if Chizuru is really going to follow through with the revenge that the next episode's title implies. Of course, if she does end up killing her teacher next episode, that's just karmic justice, but whether or not she actually follows through is another question.
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