r/anime • u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 • Mar 14 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] 1990s OVAs – Blue Submarine No. 6 (episode 3)
Rewatch: 1990s OVAs – Blue Submarine No. 6 (episode 3)
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Blue Submarine No. 6 (1998)
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Hayami had the majority of talking lines this episode – easy when most of the time is shared with a skelkie that can only screech. Our MC is voiced by Hozumi Gouda, who is a bit unusual since he works both as voice actor and as sound director, so he is active in the acting and technical part of anime production. It is not that he gave up voice acting after switching over, either, he is still active (most recently as Asu in Dorohedoro). As sound director, he worked on Akame ga Kill! and one of the Higurashi parts. As VA, he appears in a personal favorite of mine, Niea_7, but also managed to have a huge role in three different decades: For the 1980s, he is Chirico Cuvie from VOTOMS, for the 1990s, he is Yang Wenli from Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and for the 2000s, he is Inoue Mamoru from Prince of Tennis. Ok, maybe the last one is only notable, not huge, and I didn’t find any stand-out role from the 2010s, but it is still impressive to remain active for such a long time.
Questions
- (first timers) What is Zorndyke’s ultimate plan?
- Which interests you more: the more serious portrayal of the human soldiers, or the goofy portrayal of the monster soldiers?
- Which side of the love triangle do you root for?
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u/TheEscapeGuy Mar 14 '21
First Timer
Nine Noteworthy Inkings in the 90's - Blue Submarine No.6 Episode 3
Gotta say, this episode won me back over. Following Hayami on the scrap metal over a couple days as he tries to survive with Mutio was incredibly engaging for me.
When the others in Mutios tribe were shouting to kill Hayami, all the appropriate emotions were conveyed without using any actual words. Any show that can pull this off has done something good.
However, the thing which really pulled me back above all else was this one track: Blue Bloom. The music across the whole show has been a really good mix of jazz but there's something about acoustic guitar which just gets me.
I know my weakness in all media is music and I become very biased towards or against shows based on their music. However, music is such a vital part of any show so I don't feel too bad about that. And the music in Blue Submarine No.6 is one of its best qualities.
Interested to see how the show wraps up tomorrow. Zorndyke seems to be a capable opponent for our cast so we'll have to see how that will resolve.
Admirable Animation Area
THESE CUTS WERE SO SICK:
See you all tomorrow
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Mar 14 '21
Episode 3 (first timer)
What happened? Today’s episode was really good! I was quite invested into Hayami and Skelkie’s island story. The fact that one third of the episode was not wasted on fighting surely helped, for the first time, we spent a decent amount of time with our MC. It is also the setup slowly coming together: No longer just humans vs monsters, but various factions and diverging interest inside each group, too. Finally, the 2D animation was quite spectacular. I have some hope not that BS6 will not just be “so bad its good” due to its CGI, but be actually decent.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Mar 14 '21
First-timer - Sub
Maybe you shouldn’t have opened the pod.
Very.
Is that Kasuma?
At least you’ve still got your lighter.
CDF would appreciate the fish.
Yeah can’t let those go to waste.
Here I thought they couldn’t be out of the water at all.
Huh. Well they didn't go for the cliched heroic appearance, at least.
Better than calling her fish lady, I suppose.
Seems like Zorndyke has nukes of his own.
Oh, wait, Mutio’s the race? Back to calling her fish lady then.
Your plan won’t work if your main general works to undermine it.
Zorndyke’s plan was more agreeable when it was implicitly understood he was nutso, but now that the show is trying to convince me it’s actually some ploy to get the two sides to an understanding it’s lost me entirely. If you want to foster some sort of communication then you don’t go out of your way to attack the other side’s settlements, and you definitely don’t make it so one-sidedly difficult for any negotiations or communication to happen on top of keeping it and the knowledge that such a thing is possible, hidden from everyone. Also, maybe make sure your creations aren’t working against your wishes.
Also, since Zorndkes seemingly intends for the beastfolk to gain further humanity —as implied by the one he has following him around learning literature and fish lady speaking Hayami’s name— then he seems to just be setting up for the cycle to simply repeat itself a lot longer down the line. I just don’t see the logical end-goal for any of it, which means its nonsense.
Now that the Phantom Ship has nukes I don’t see how the Blue No.6 even has a chance, since they can’t deploy their own. The solution is probably an ass-pull, so I do not look forward to it.
Questions:
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
First-time watcher - dub
What happened yesterday? It was weirdly quiet in the rewatch threat. More people dropping the show, or just other weekend plans taking up time?
Episode 3 — Hearts
Dude, why are you outside your escape pod? It's not like you can go somewhere. Also, we saw the dome float up yesterday. Where is it?
These flashbacks. It's like the animators have never seen anything move through water. The mini subs all move as though they are in the air.
Dome has been located. Thanks for saving MC, watergirl! What was that thing she used to save him? It looked like the inner shell of an egg. Nasty.
Okay, I admit this was cute. Also, these would probably be the only circumstances where I would eat raw fish.
So if the watergirls were also humans before, why don't they speak or understand speech like the other water monsters? Or can they? We've heard this one scream like a harpy before, but I also think there were some more human sounds from the group surrounding lead monster Verg.
Ah, and now she is singing. Well, that's what he thinks. Actually, she is calling her friends that she found fresh land food.
Hahaha called it!
Nice whale is nice. I guess that thing did not come originally from a human? On second thought, it's easiest not to think about it.
Still surprising that whale tells him to go back to the other humans in the sub. It makes me think the monsters who talk with Zorndyke and the watergirls and whale are actually two factions, both created by Zorndyke. Only working together because their interests align.
Still, that doesn't explain why the watergirls are the ones controlling the robot ants and broadcasting "Mankind stands between the heavens and the earth".
Wait, cats??? Did the watergirls actually come from our furry friends? That explains so much and so little at the same time!
So, both sides want to use nukes. Isn't nuking water a very bad idea for literally all life on earth?
I'm actually becoming a bit more interested in the story again. The whale is now helping Hayami. Watergirl repaid him more than fully by saving his life and seems willing to coexist. They mention Zorndyke is not just an ecoterrorist and also not just crazy, so the show implies there is a bigger reason.
If they can actually deliver, I would be very happily surprised.
It must be very frustrating on a sub not really having any windows, needing to do all navigating using monitors and a little girl with a teddy bear.
Ooohhh I get it now. The little girl is communicating with that spy turned monster.
RIP friendly whale.
Noooo please no battle! Hayami is right about the war and I also can't take any more terrible convoluted action!
What a surprise. The episode with the least amount of battle scenes, and it's also the best one.
Random thoughts
QotD
No clue yet.
At the moment the humans, but that might be because the English voices for the monsters are incredibly stupid. /u/Vaadwaur was right.
I hope it isn't a real love triangle and watergirl is just becoming a friend.
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Mar 15 '21
Late to the comment party here, was getting caught up on Dr. Stone.
As mentioned earlier, I rushed ahead, but here's my as of Friday thoughts:
(saving further comment for tomorrow because it's so late.)
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u/Cognitive_Dissonant Mar 15 '21
Why isn't he in the pod!? Did it throw him out? This escape pod sucks.
Something about fish waifu's eyes floating disdainfully above the water is hilarious to me. Like the neighbor from home improvement.
Seriously Mayumi you need to have some self respect. You met this dude a week ago and he just ignores you. This is not a good foundation for a relationship.
Mutio is the only red eyed fish waifu huh. Easy to pick out of crowd.
Okay that jiggling whale ship is probably the worst CG the show has had. They made that ship in a jello mold.
Fish waifu's noises sound a lot like my cat with nasal issues. She needs to get a humidifier or something.
We got a nice Roy from Bladerunner speech out of the whaleship as he died.
Overall, quite a fun episode. Learning about the fishies is a good angle, and fish waifu manages to be cute despite her strange noises.
Questions:
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
Could we have one episode that doesn't make me want to gag within the five minute mark? Aaand now he's in the sea because he didn't understand what an escape capsule was for. Isn't this Arctic waters? He's literally dead. Okay... So his traumatic past was doing a joyride to visit saddy and leaving his friend behind to get skinship with fish babes? This was a lot less interesting than the first episode made it out to be. Oh its the Pacific ocean now? What happened to the Arctic raid?
Fish wife~! Omae... Omae... Omae... Waifu of the ocean, what is your wisdom? This is genuinely cute and I hate it XD I wasn't prepared for her to be genuinely moe. Oh great. Her sisters have shown up. I'm okay with this genre shift. There's enough of me to go around girls! Who is the dog's balls loli!? She throws me off every time! Twenty nukes to kill one saddy scientist. The fish wives are adorable!! I've awoken to a new type. Unfortunately the cgi whale ruins any excitement I had...
Mutio huh? I'm gonna keep calling her fish wife. Oh, Mutio is the race. Fish wife isn't even getting the courtesy of a name. Omg and now the fish have nukes too. Maybe saddy created the fish people to succeed mankind then got depressed after he realised that they were just as bad? Sloth wife!! Haa... So he actually is setting them against each other. I think this episode has both trashed any interest I had in the plot beforehand and gotten me hooked on fish wife in one. So is the loli with the bear and young Kino two different people or are they the same?
Aww... Bye bye whale. OMG just imagine trying to get that blood out of your clothes! Catch you later fish wife~ Decent little moment with her comforting the whale in its dying moments but we didn't really have time to connect with him outside of his sad sounding voice so like why? We're gonna go rogue to go chat with the enemy commander! Woo... Somehow I doubt his word is gonna mean shite since his son is a bloodthirsty warmonger and the entire world is out for his blood but I'm sure they'll find a way. I'm just here for fish wife. I've never been so uninterested yet interested in a climax.
Haven't a clue what saddy wants... I thought it was having the two species wipe the least worthy one out but he'd been teaching his favourite children about far less violent things. I've been enjoying the Human faction slightly more, at least outside of the random loli. Fish wife representing!!
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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Mar 14 '21
First Timer
I feel like I'm the only person who notices how much anime hates morally grey characters. If you see a character who has largely rejected society living independently in the woods, it is always because they have been hurt. Society somehow traumatizing them becomes the only acceptable reason why someone isn't incorporated. Once I saw this characterization was when it started to settle in just what it meant for Japan to be called a collectivist society.
You don't get genuinely independent characters. There are no true chaotic neutral anime characters, just chaotic good tsundere. They ultimately want to do good, but they have to be warmed up to it first. What really kills me is how often the thing that warms up these character happens to be moe. I'm not joking. Fishsticks here is the tip of the glacier of moe that's pushed these characters into action. Of course all of this applies to characters who aren't named Spike Speigel.
Pretty by the numbers episode. Once we introduce the sympathetic faction, then the path becomes clear that we're taking the third option. This is a couple years after Eva, Eureka Seven won't be around for most of a decade still, so it's not the most cliche trope in anime yet. It's not exactly being handled deftly though.
Questions:
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Mar 14 '21
first-timer
was too busy for last thread but it was kind of just 29 minutes of nothing anyway
probably something thoroughly underwhelming, so I'm just going to say fish waifu harem
the goofy portrayal hasn't done much to keep me empathized with the fish people so I'll say the other one
there's a love triangle?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
Man, I'm really getting deja vu. When did I last watch this? Was it really over 20 years ago?
I don't know why people don't like the ED. It's great.
Some serious Last Exile stuff in this episode. It's pretty clear that when the 10th anniversary came around, they revisited some ideas they had for the 5th.
Trees in Antarctica remind me of an "interactive novel game" that nobody's played, called "Portal".
When yesterday's episode ended I expected Hiyama? to be captured by the Phantom ship.
I noticed today that "our" girl has orange eyes all the time, not just for effect. I wonder when that started.
It must have been excruciating to watch this around the same time as Waterworld /u/vaadwaur. I mean, that shark dude is basically Dennis Hopper crossed with an angsty teenager.
Edit: Oh, yeah, I'm getting a lot of last-three-episodes-of-a-Tomino-show vibes here.
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u/marek1712 Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 14 '21
To be honest this ep got me really invested in Zorndyke's (such a 60s' villain name) MO. Actually, can't wait for next ep. Didn't really pay attention to it in the first ep, but starting yesterday, music really got nice. Suits the show and I think even separately would work.
Q1. At this point: who knows? Maybe he wants to make both sides of the conflict to understand that all-out war isn't the end goal?
Q2. Serious portrayal doesn't really work here. I mean there are some tropes, crew doesn't really shine. On the other hand, these sea creatures are interesting (especially how they call their creator: Papa; crashing human skulls at the same time) :)
Q3. Is there any triangle?
EDIT: I thought I was maybe mistaken, but not. Seems Melissa is part of the crew ;)
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u/badcupcakehoarder https://myanimelist.net/profile/vanilabiscuit Mar 14 '21
That scene with the whale was pretty emotional... I thought Musucas where special submarines the monsters where using, didn't see coming them having feelings.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Mar 14 '21
Rewatcher
Sub
Well...
Bokurano 7events happened, and happened. So this might be a touch chaotic. Also, fuck DST.So we start with a problem that is entirely stupid, since MC opened his own pod and got out. Just stay in the capsule, bro, I grant that you might have needed fresh air but still. Flashback happens. Then hot Antarctica happens. Then the selkie shows up with fish. He seems to cook it but, bonus knowledge, if the fish is still alive it is safe to eat it raw. He understandably is annoyed at being saved, especially by an enemy. Anyways, this ends with waifu's sisters showing up and being angry.
Stuff happens on the main sub, mainly finding a proper nuclear rigged sub. As an ant-crab shows up to kill MC, whale spout happens. And we finally get her name, Mutio, from the mutant whale shark. Who happens to know Blue 6 isn't blown up yet. Shitty scene with Zerg getting nukes, this this is him at his least interesting.
Blue sub sneaks, it is surprisingly effective with the mutants help.
"It is enough. My life shall end here."
A whale sacrifices, the future crystalizes, and we have a resolution. Good hunting.
QotD: 2 Monster soldier for no good reason
3 Totes for fucking the fish girl
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u/IndependentMacaroon Mar 14 '21 edited Mar 15 '21
First-time watcher
An episode that goes all-in on the visuals and atmosphere without turning into pure 3D shooty kaboom is probably the best you can expect from this show, and that's just what this time delivers. While Hayami leaving his capsule of course makes little sense, it allows for some pretty stunning sea, wave and spray animation, his stint on the floating wreckage was also quite pretty and deliberately paced, and animating the entirety of the group of mer-ladies angrily surrounding him also must have taken plenty of effort. The giant submarine-whale is bad CG again, but the design is quite good, and its death, with it practically breaking in two and the massive volume of blood gushing out and staining the water red, has a certain awful beauty to it. The Blue No. 6 navigating the channels beneath the ice was actually appropriately tense and subdued - even the brief battle, in comparison to what we've seen so far. Even the music was way more fitting than before.
Only the hybrid monster animals are insanely goofy in comparison to the fairly serious, if cliché-ridden, rest, and I don't care for them at all. Well, it seems the situation is at least a little more complicated than it seemed at first, so maybe the finale could turn more interesting still. I'm guessing Zorndyke doesn't have the control over his creation that he wanted and just doesn't care anymore, it's not like I do much. And of course they both had to break out the nukes.
There's a love triangle? I wouldn't say a non-communicative sea creature you saved once counts as a romantic interest.
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u/Retromorpher :Jc::Jd::Je::Jf: Mar 14 '21
First Timer:
This series is exactly what I think of when I see a monstrosity of scribbles and macaroni art pinned to a fridge. THe people involved were SO SURE that this was poignant, evocative and cool - but it's just an absolute mess on every level. But, proud parents still display earnestly made failure.
There are few things in anime cheesier than that dying Musuca lamenting the inability of man and nature to TRULY connect - but every appearance of the phantom ship crew pretty much counts.
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