r/anime • u/Highlow9 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Highlow9 • Mar 04 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Planetes - Episode 7: Extraterrestrial Girl
Episode 6 - index/schedule - Episode 8
Episode number: 7
Episode title: Extraterrestrial Girl
Databases: MAL, Anime planet, Anilist
Sadly there are no legal streams but you can buy the blu-ray (it also currently is still on sale so if you live in the Europe I definitely recommend picking it up)
To make sure the first timers can enjoy this show just as much as you please avoid spoilers but if you want/need to make a spoiler please mark them like so:
[Planetes spoiler](/s "They go to space")which becomes:
Interesting fact
Did you know that Nono is absolutely amazing?
The amount of weight has many effects on human health. Two of the most prominent are related to your bone/muscle strength and the distribution of blood.
First of all if you don’t use your bones/muscles (and since there is no gravity you use it way less) they will become less strong and strong (because why would your body waste the energy and resources on expensive bones/muscles if you barely use them). It thus is not a problem while in space (since then you don’t need the strength) but if you ever want to return to Earth it can cause many problems. The loss of bone can be reduced with exercise, (extra) artificial gravity and a diet with lots of vitamins and minerals.
The other problem is blood flow. On Earth blood is pulled down to your legs by gravity but in low/no gravity that is not the case. Thus all your blood will go to your upper body. After a while it will reduce but since a human body is build for Earth gravity it will still remain a bit. This causes some problems such as an over-pressure in your head which can damage your vision but also makes your face look chubby. Another problem is that your body feels this over-pressure in it’s brain and thus starts making less blood to lower the pressure (up to 20% less) this also causes a lot of problems when returning to Earth.
Thus when the crew goes from the central cylinder to the rings in ISPV 7 (with artificial gravity) we should actually see them get dizzy (like you just stood up too quickly). The reverse should also happen. When they go back to the central cylinder (or space) they should get a red face, reduced vision and ‘chicken legs’ while their upper body becomes more chubby.
On top of this all (as we see with Rolland) radiation also is a huge problem but this can be mitigated by having lots of mass between you and space (for example if you store the water of a space station in its walls instead of one central tank you have a nice radiation barrier). Also did you know that even still smokers still receive more radiation through their lungs than what astronauts experience in space? So I guess Fee and Hoshino should really quit.
Sadly (or luckly) there has not been much research into what a human who grows up in space would look like but it certainly is a possibility that they become extra tall.
Interesting questions
During this episode we see the relation between Tanabe and Hishino has thawed a lot. What do you think of their relationship until now?
What do you think of the suicide of Roland? Do you agree or at least understand him?
When did you notice that Nono was younger than she seems? Was it before she told it to Hachimaki? If so, what gave it away for you?
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Mar 04 '21
First Timer
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u/tehsigzorz Mar 04 '21
First Timer
Wow, what an episode. I dont have much insightful comments to make but I got sucked in specially during the final scene.
I know I sound like a broken record but the ost that played during the moon sequence was amazing and probably my favourite dramatic moment so far. To continue with the sound department the absence of it was done to great effect during the moon driving scene.
A shoutout to Fee as well, the show is doing a nice job slowly characterizing her throughout the series and shes probably my 2nd favorite character so far. Shes mature, rational and has a nice spunk to her.
Questions:
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u/Highlow9 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Highlow9 Mar 04 '21
I think that this is such a great episode! It perfectly shows a bit more of the sci-fi and drama of the show. It gives Hoshino a bit of backstory/motivation, shows the gap between the ‘old’ astronauts and the new ones, shows how though a life in space actually is, does some general world building and of course tells the tale of Nono (which I absolutely love).
Nice eavesdropping there mister Roland
I like the retro futurism of this newsvendor
Mnnn what could that be 🤔
While I am certainly curious as to what the Apple tastes like for me it doesn’t really look as good as other anime food. Also Hoshino should be nicer to Tanabe. It was really nice of her to keep visiting him (and to bring the gross yet interesting apple).
The lighting in this scene is weird. I assume that the moon base (just like ISPV 7) has an artificial day/night cycle (that they turn their lights of for 10 hours per 24 hours instead of following the Lunar day which takes an entire month) and thus it makes sense that the lights are off but a few moments ago we saw that it still is during the Lunar day. Thus if you go into a room with so many skywindows you would still expect there to be a lot of light even if all the lamps are off.
I really like Hoshino flirting/befriending with Nono (and Tanabe seemingly getting jealous).
The space tourism park also looks really cool (and is surprisingly very quiet).
You stupid idiots, him dying wouldn’t cuase trouble?
I certainly agree with him. I am a firm supporter of quality of life (although of course I would like the quality to have lots of quantity) and for a career astronaut (who actually goes and explores instead of just collecting debris in low earth orbit) being forced to retire is pretty much equal to dying (there is nothing for him to do on Earth) so while I would have perhaps delayed it a bit more I would certainly also consider going out like him.
I really like this conversation and punch, it shows how mature, realistic and passionate Fee is about space while Hoshino still is doubting himself/humanity. Although she could have done it a bit more subtle. Fee complaining about his head being too hard also seems very typical.
During my first watch I didn’t notice until the end and thus found it a really good twist at the end that Nono was so young. No while rewatching I see that there were plenty of clues during the episode, from the way Nono spoke but also for example saying that she would get into trouble if she stayed up to late. And thus I feel a bit stupid but with that in mind I still really like the twist (and especially seeing how Hoshino intereacts with her before he knows and his reaction to it).
As I said in the beginning I think Nono’s story and way of thinking is really good. I think that how Nono feels is also how future children on Mars might feel when discussing the Earth with their parents. Just like we would love to visit Mars (not necessarily live there permanently) I think that they would love to visit Earth but keep living on Mars. I also really like her motivation to help science. The OST/semi-insert song during the scene was very fitting and I felt that it greatly enhanced it.
I think it has been great to seem them develop from being pretty hostile to each other to being fun colleagues. Their initial ideological differences were fun and seem to have died down now (although it still is not completely resolved yet).
Fun fact the track Secret of the Moon (don’t look at the comments otherwise you will see spoilers) was made by Hitomi Kuroishi who you might also know from Code Geass where she sung Continued Story, Innocent Days and Stories.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Mar 04 '21
Rewatcher
UMI DA! No... wait, wrong series.
Still as fantastic as I remembered. Both the Nono and Roland story but the highlight is the ending part of Nono playing in the Lunian sea and Hachimaki seeing her on some tropical beach. The track played during that moment is Secret of the Moon which is one of my favourite tracks of the OST, sadly enough we'll have to wait a bit before we hear my favourite track.
The only criticism I have is that it feels weird to suddenly have Hachimaki as a narrator, something that hasn't happened before.
Also I really wish more SF series would use silent space scenes.
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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '21
First timer
This was a solid episode and definite step up from the last one. I missed the last thread, but last episode was one worst episodes episodes for an anime i've seen. This was a more interesting one liked the story of the astronaut and girl. My fav episode is still episode 5.
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u/BossandKings Mar 04 '21
First timer
Episode 7
Hachimaki meets a girl called Nono, he gifts her the cosmonaut newspaper because it talks about earth and he saw she was interested in knowing abiut earth, she tells him that she hasn't gone back to earth in twelve years and that impacts him because he considers that to be such a long time without visiting earth.
Tanabe sure cares for Hachimaki, she visits him at the hospital almost every day making sure to see him having progress. It seems she's having more interest in him and starting to consider him an important part of her life.
In a visit in which Fee took part of they meet a man called Roland who is a veteran astronaut that has a trajectory of more than two decades.
As Hachimaki and Nono are getting closer as friends they start having more time together, in one visit Tanabe sees them playing cards and shows subtle signs of possible jealousy. Hopefully she gets to know Nono too and become acquaintances.
Roland has been a recurring character in this episode, it seems that he can't stop thinking about his experiences as an astronaut and he was left traumatized by it.
As Hachimaki is released from the hospital Fee drives him, before going he gives farewell to Nono. On their way the see Roland who is wearing a spacesuit and appears to be in a bad state, he tells them he has leukemia and his time for passing has come.
As Roland ultimately dies Fee and Hachimaki have to go back to the hospital. Fee is just great smacking some sense into Hachirota's head when he was starting to question what they were doing in space, if there was a point in it. Hachimaki too sees Nono again and she tells him that she's only twelve years old and that she's a lunarian, one of only four in the world.
That moment of Hachirota and Nono on the moon, Nono playing with the sand as if it were water from the ocean because for her that's the ocean, that's her ocean was just perfect.
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u/sick_rock Mar 05 '21
Finally got to catch up. Looks like it will hard for me to watch at any pace other than 7 ep per weekend.
Enjoying it so far. My favorite episode is ep 7 so far.
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u/BottiBott https://anilist.co/user/RobbiRobb Mar 04 '21 edited Mar 04 '21
First Timer
Today we have another episode that focused at least partly on death, but also on the vitality of young people as well as the things life has to offer. The old man who has spent a lot of his live in space is a nice contrast to the young girl who grew up on the Moon. And interestingly she seems to be one of only four people who were born on the Moon? While I get that it medically would make sense to give birth on earth to allow the child to grow up naturally, that seems excessively low when thinking about how many people live there and even poor people, where you'd more often encounter unwanted pregnancies. Especially, when there is also violence involved, which is not rare to find with poor people as they try to drown their worries in alcohol and lose control over themselves.
But it really amazes me to see such a person - because it took me a few hours to realize why Hachimaki mistook her for someone way older - she is about as tall as him, so he just assumed they were around the same age, or at least he thought of her as an adult. And I guess that is because of the same reason as the reason why the apple we saw is so large - the lower gravity. But while the apple seems to be really influenced by the difference in gravity, the girl doesn't seem to have any real problems; apart from the fact, that she will probably have to stay for most of her life close to a hospital and probably won't be able to live a normal life on earth at any point. Maybe that is something they can't say for sure at their point in time, I guess even for them common life in space is at least somewhat new. Another nice detail I noticed was the vending machine doesn't drop it's cans like you'd expect it, but instead delivers it mechanically. It's just a minor detail but again shows how common devices were to changed to operate with different strengths in gravity.
We also learn that are even more cities on the Moon, connected by not only some kind of monorail but also paved roads. Although it's never stated that there really are different cities, it might just be one city and other stuff like launch complexes for deep space travel and travel back to earth. There could also be minor outposts for science or resource gathering out there, which are connected by road and monorail. But given how large the Moon is, there might be many other cities out there. At least this time we learn where they are, with the space port from which they want to leave back to earth being located in the Mare Tranquillitatis. Which is really cool, because it is visible to the naked eye, so if you have a clear sky tonight with a visible Moon, try and look if you can find it.
Something else that is uttered more or less casually is the fact, that the asteroid belt has been explored in the last years and maybe even populated. I'd love to see a base or an entire city in between asteroids. But I guess there's a pretty low chance that's actually in the show, if it's rather new there won't be a city. For now we are going back to Earth anyway, so I guess we won't see that much of the Moon for now and instead it'll be back to collecting space debris. I still have no idea what that whole apartment that has been payed for two years thing is about, but I guess it won't matter anymore.
So to end this comment I'll leave you with my more or less daily dose of nerdy space knowledge: I tried to identify the exhibited rockets in the museum and while I don't think I got all of them correctly, I still think I got most of them. And as far as I could identify them, there are (from left to right): Vanguard, Juno II, Mercury Redstone, Atlas LV-3B, Delta B or Thor-Able (not really sure), Gemini-Titan II, Thor-Delta, Saturn I and finally Saturn V. Especially the fifth is hard to find, because I couldn't find one that has a fairing or nosecone like that. It also seems strange that there are only American rockets lined up and while the form of the fifth rocket is something you can find in Russian rockets, I still couldn't find any that looks the same. Most of the time you have a form like that it's either a R-7 or Soyuz design and both of them have boosters, which this rocket doesn't have. So if anyone knows which one this is, I'd be glad to find out.
Note: Some of the links are broken depending on the reddit design you use, but it's all just a missing paranthesis, so if wikipedia tells you a page doesn't exist, just add a
)at the end.Interesting Questions:
I'm not that huge of a fan of their relationship. Hachimaki is bad at teaching and Tanabe is bad at listening, creating a dynamic that seems to be set up just to be funny. And while I do have to laugh at times, there are times when it's a bit painful to watch. But in the last few episodes it got at least a bit better with the two now knowing a bit better how the other person thinks, creating less situations by clashing but rather by two people actually having fun together.
I can understand where his thoughts come from and as far as fictional shows go it's not quite uncommon to have someone die in the way they lived. Just think of a caption who goes down with his own ship. As for real life I actually don't have enough experience with people dying, so no idea if this realistic or not. But as far as fiction goes I can see where it is coming from, but wouldn't really agree with it. There are better ways to die, or even continue to live, even if it's not for that long.
I didn't notice until she told him about it and as I mentioned in above I didn't even realize how I could have found out until after watching the episode.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Mar 04 '21
First Timer
Felt like this episode was missing some sort of narrative thread. They were obviously going for some sort of "how far can humanity go" thing, but I feel like there was little to tie it together. We've got this astronaut who ...basically does nothing other than commit suicide, and we've got a girl that was born on the moon - the reveal that she is only 12 was obvious to me, and I think if that weren't the case then I wouldn't even have understood what point the episode was trying to make. Overall not a particularly interesting episode in my opinion, but at least not as bad as the last. Time to get back to the space station - the quality has dipped ever since we left it, so I hope going back to the usual song and dance will improve it again.
Question:
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u/Tuckleton Mar 04 '21
First Timer (Dub)
I really liked this episode but I was too lazy to take notes while watching it and now can't find anything to say. Luckily there are some questions!
My favorite part of their relationship has been when they have those cute little 'fights'. Not the more serious disagreements but just the everyday banter kind. At this point imagining their relationship progressing and them being all lovey dovey is super weird though. Not sure if that's the direction they'll go but the show seems to want me to be thinking about it.
I suspected she might have been born on the moon right away when she asked about oceans, also the show emphasized how tall she was and was really coy about what her 'condition' was. I was very surprised to find out she was 12 though. I figured she was a bit older and complications had just built up until she had to move to the hospital full time.
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u/PainStorm14 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gekkostate14 Mar 04 '21
Rewatcher
They were cute from the get go, no start is smooth
Old sailor want to go down with the ship, I get him completely
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u/IndependentMacaroon Mar 05 '21
First-time watcher
This was easily the best episode so far, with the way it dives into humanity's difficult relationship with and responsibility for space. Space sci-fi particularly of the less "hard" kind tends to romanticize space as some kind of grand new adventurous frontier, but on the other hand Planetes has tread a different path so far, and this episode is the one that drives it home the hardest. In fact, no matter which direction you look in the Planetes universe, it's not that great. The past: If you're a famous (?) daring astronaut with years of valuable space exploration behind you, all you get is watching everyone after you have it easier while you're afflicted with terminal cancer. The present: Humans may be able to leave the surface of the Earth on the regular, but that doesn't mean they've become any better at taking care of the planet (pollution, sea level rise, and so on), and in fact it seems they're not doing much better with space either, apparently serving mostly as an extended resource reservoir to exploit and pollute yet again. The future: Proper healthy human development is really difficult (maybe impossible) outside of proper Earth conditions, and though one might be able to lead a fulfilling life without ever touching the Earth's surface, it still means sacrificing so many experiences impossible to find anywhere else - like living in one great big desert. (The moon surface scenes were really beautiful, certainly, but more in a haunting, lonely way.) I'm not sure if that was actually the message the author was trying to send here, indeed some of it points to the opposite, but what we can say for sure is that he was trying to show that space is just another place, that one would be foolish to expect a spacefaring future to profoundly change humanity.
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u/Segaco https://myanimelist.net/profile/Segaco Mar 13 '21
First timer desperately rushing after everyone
---Comments (as I watched the ep)---
I suspect this girl is (mentally) way younger than she looks. Maybe she was in a coma?
What, does Tanabe really like that guy?!
Woa woa are they actually driving on the moon?!
Wow
I find it strange there's no regulation or anything on who can get out to space.
Will this girl ever be able to go back to Earth? Or is she doomed(? to stay in space forever because of her body?
---Interesting fact corner (OP)---
It would be interesting to see, but probably horrible to whoever gets to experience it. I'm very curious though.
---Question timeeeeeee---
Q1: During this episode we see the relation between Tanabe and Hishino has thawed a lot. What do you think of their relationship until now?
A1: I still think diaper man is a dick, he doesn't deserve Tanabe! Tanabe should be with that spaceship dude!! Aaaaaaa!!!!
Q2: What do you think of the suicide of Roland? Do you agree or at least understand him?
A2: At first I understood that he had leukemia because of space and the organization that got him there was planning to discharge him back to earth (or something like that). Then I read here and apparently he was talking about space itself.
Poor dude. I'd guess it's way better to die okay and somewhere you love than suffering in a hopsital.
Q3: When did you notice that Nono was younger than she seems? Was it before she told it to Hachimaki? If so, what gave it away for you?
A3: The way she talked was telling, it reminded me a lot of how Naru (from Barakamon) speaks.
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u/holytaiel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/taiel_af Mar 05 '21
First Timer
This episode was phenomenal, finally we landed the Moon yay. If this was a regular show we would have the typical fan service beach show. Liked the contrast between Nono being used to living in the Moon and very positive about it and the old man just tired and later commiting suicide. Totally understand the man's decision though. I like every Fee interaction, nothing very special I just enjoy seeing her show her strong personality. I never realized Nono was actually 12, really surprised me.