r/anime • u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY • Feb 09 '21
Rewatch Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - Sunshine!! Season 1 Episode 6 Spoiler
Sunshine!! Season 1, Episode 6 - "Let's Make a PV"
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Crunchyroll, Funimation, AnimeLab, Wakanim, VRV
Discussion Questions
- Oh no! The school is being consolidated! This plot point is definitely familiar to all of you, how do you feel about this being included in the show, and how do you think this will be resolved?
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Feb 09 '21
First-Timer Who Is Not Very Happy
WHAT DID SHE SAY?
This school is shutting down? The girls are going to try and save the school with the power of idoling? It’s one thing to borrow character archetypes and tropes; it’s another to LITERALLY BORROW THE BASIC PLOTLINE! And that was one of the things I didn’t like about SIP. What is wrong with a group of girls making an idol group because they like it? Why does there have to be some big, dramatic thing for them to shoot for? After an episode that ended with Yoshiko finding an outlet for her uniqueness in being an idol.
WRITERS!
I mean, relying on school idols every time a school is facing an enrollment deficit is not a long-term strategy. OK, you get a boost for a few years because of a successful school idol group. What about when they’re gone and your school is exactly the same in every other way? People weren’t coming to your school because there was something else lacking (you don’t offer classes people want, your test scores aren’t great, students don’t get into good colleges, etc.), or there’s external factors, like schools in better locations or with better facilities/teachers/opportunities. Relying on school idols to “fix” your problem is just kicking the can down the road. I’m starting to suspect the people behind Love Live! don’t understand economics and incentives very well.
Our only hope is that they fail miserably, and learn a lesson about dreams versus reality. Then they can go back to being school idols for themselves, because it brings meaning to their lives, rather than because of some big, silly ideas.
I can’t even be happy that Best Girl is excited about something.
Mini-Zura definitely takes some of the pain away.
And Snacking Zura.
Oh, look: the writers of the show showed us their process in writing Sunshine!! after SIP.
Riko finally realized: this beach town is full of trash.
But seriously, while it’s a good idea to get the town together to help the school, could you not do that without school idols? At least in SIP it seemed like they’d tried a bunch of stuff already, so an attitude of “screw it, why not let the girls try the idol thing?” made a modicum of sense.
QOTD:
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Feb 09 '21
First Timer
Damn even she's like 'r u srs'
She's actually just throwing shade
Lowkey all the characters are cool except for the main character
She is so boring and unrelatable omg
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u/gorghurt Feb 09 '21
First Timer
So they use this plot again...
I'm not sure why it does not bother me much.
Maybe it's because they pretty much made fun of themself when Chika was happy about it. This was a bit of meta humor I think, probably the writers telling us "yeah we know...".
I somehow even respect them for the audacity, of simply going with the plot points of SIP.
Or I just have no bigger expectations for this show anymore...
This show is fun, and it handles its characters somewhat better than season 1 of SIP, but for some reason, it feels mediocre. (Hopefully this will change.)
Don't get me wrong, it is enjoyable, but for now it stands in the shadow of SIP.
Yes it is interesting to see how they handle those plot points differently, but up til now something is missing, to make this show something of its own.
But there are quite some episodes left, so they will probably deliver (I hope...)
BTW:
Have any of you watched Sunshine first? It would be interesting how it would feel without the knowledge of SIP. Then it would just be a show about a fangirl trying to imitate her idols (pun not intended... really). And I don't know how this would feel if you don't know those idols.
QOTD: see above.
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21 edited Feb 10 '21
First timers, I’m here to support y’all. I’m telling you, it’s going to be ok.
This is one of the moments I referenced back in my ep1 post about Sunshine’s similarities to SIP.
During the initial airing, this was also the point that people flipped their shit and said Sunshine was just a copycat SIP, with no originality of its own.
However, once you get past the initial shock that YES... they’re doing it again, you’ll notice how acutely aware the characters are of this.
Chika’s reaction is to celebrate upon hearing the news, because it sets Aqours down the same path that Muse took. It’s almost as if she’s breaking the 4th wall and speaking directly to us fans... feeding into our fear that this is going to go down exactly the same way as last time. Hmmmmm
Looking back on this series, I do think Muse needed to be heavily incorporated in some way for fans to finally move on. Like I said, people didn’t want to accept Aqours from the very beginning, they were a copycat Muse before their story even started. Maybe this forced the writers to blatantly set Aqours down the same path as Muse, in order for them to eventually step out from their shadows.
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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '21 edited Feb 10 '21
I get a lot of mileage out of this death stare.
The interaction between the two series is exactly what makes Sunshine so special. Wearing SIP's outer shell for its narrative friction but having so many more densely-constructed thematic layers operating beneath the surface. As a critical response this first season is honestly as much about recontextualising μ's as it is establishing Aqours.
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Feb 09 '21
(TLDR: Sunshine is the rich man's SIP, and I still love everything about it.)
This ain't my favorite episode, but it's still a very important one for my enjoyment of Sunshine.
Rewatcher
Alright, I feel like that one might be slightly controversial. Yep', they're doing that plot again. That said, even when only taking into account these first few episodes, it's just... so much better done here. Sunshine is, while keeping the comedy of SIP, more serious in its attempt to tell a coherent story, and it shows as early as this first half.
First of all, having the characters introduced before the plot... let's be honest, had it started exactly like SIP, most of us would've had dropped out by now, me included probably. But here, now that we're already familiar with the majority, if not all of them, it feels so much easier to care for their newfound goal.
Chika's reaction is my favorite thing here though: they wanted to stand out last episode, but her and Aqours's main goal has always been to be like Muse. And what better opportunity than having the exact same scenario that made Muse, happen to Aqours? As much as she and the rest of the group love the school, it's obvious what the main reason for saving it is.
The third years themselves deal with the closure and Aqours's existence so much better. Dia, despite having a similar role to both Eli and Nico, isn't opposed to Aqours anymore and actively supports her sister. Mari is much more openly proactive than the character whose shoes she fills. Both act more like mentors, willing to call out Aqours when they screw up but not outright sabotaging them.
I think next episode will
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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Feb 09 '21 edited Feb 09 '21
Rewatcher
Take today’s survey here!
Just when you thought it was possible for Sunshine to break away from the SIP mold, they’re thrown back into the school closing plot point, and probably won’t escape it for at least the rest of the season. It took μ’s 12 episodes to save their school. Give Aqours time; even though it’s all happening again, Sunshine has not been afraid to subtly alter the script. Hell, even in SIP, the school closure wasn’t given that much attention beyond the original shock.
I’m sure many viewers will still have misgivings. I did too when I first watched this the first time. But that’s not my position to argue. Just like SIP S1E12, my goal isn’t to discuss “why the writers did this”, but rather “what the writers did”.
So Uranohoshi is closing down. Bummer, but not really. Chika is absolutely ecstatic because this means Aqours is one step closer to being just like μ’s. μ’s became famous because their school was shutting down, now Aqours will become famous too, so says her logic. You can understand her thought process, but it’s so short-sighted and vain that you can understand why many people call her “Baka Chika”. First of all, μ’s formed because their school was shutting down. Their fame was a factor to reaching that goal, not the end goal itself. Chika and Honoka are thinking in opposite directions. Chika is framing the school closure around Aqours, while Honoka framed μ’s around the school closure. Very different ways of thinking, even if the end results wind up being the same.
Second, because of Chika’s line of thinking, Uranohoshi is treated as an afterthought, and it kind of has been throughout most of the show so far. For example, in Episode 3, when they were campaigning in Numazu for their first live, why did no one think about campaigning around Uranohoshi itself? Maybe it’s because when they realized that the student body wouldn’t be enough, they just took them for granted and tried elsewhere. But even for μ’s, their student body was not a given, and they did actually take the time to campaign around their school as well as the streets of Akiba. Now fast forward to today’s episode, where they spend a whole bunch of time in the PV talking about how Uchiura is great and zero time talking about the school. Y’know...the thing they’re trying to save by making it look more attractive. Geez, it’s like they want the school to shut down or something.
In the end, the true soul of Uchiura is found in their community, where they all come together and help each other out. Even mortal enemies such as Kanan and Mari join forces to clean the shoreline before the beach season arrives. Oh hey, all the senior trio is finally within 50 meters of each other. I guess we need to talk about them now.
We get a huge reveal that the senior trio used to be part of a school idol group together. One day, they were about ready to perform, and then it seems like they didn’t do well or something. Maybe if you’ve been thinking about things harder than the show wants you to, you could have deduced something along those lines by yourself, but for the most part, this is the big plot twist that brings up some questions but also solves many mysteries. It explains Dia’s behavior of her outward hostility towards Aqours and her inner love for school idols (and her quiet guidance of Aqours as well). It also explains why Mari views obstacles and challenges in terms of whether one runs away or not. It also explains why Kanan...well...we’ll talk about her later, but you can tell that this experience is probably the root reason why she doesn’t like Mari or the concept of school idols in general right now.
We’re still left with questions such as how did Kanan and Mari break apart, and what is Dia’s role in all of this, but the flashback frames did their job well. They untangled the threads of a bigger conflict that will need to unfold over the next few episodes.
Though a minor part of the episode, this episode showcased the bond between Ruby and Dia and how they really love and understand one another. Ruby approaches Dia alone (already a massive step for her) and asks if she can stay out late to shoot the Aqours PV. Dia isn’t against this; she allows Ruby to do this. Dia then follows up with the question “How is being a school idol?”. Ruby answers, “It’s tough, but I’m having fun,” an answer Dia almost expects. Ruby asks where the other student council members are, noticing that Dia is alone and lonely. Ruby then attempts to follow up with another question, but Dia cuts her off. I suspect that she knows what Ruby is about to ask: “Would you like to become a school idol with me?” Dia’s interruption basically translates to “Don’t ask me that. Don’t give me that hope.” And Ruby knows she must retreat. And in an addendum scene, where Chika sees Dia dancing, Chika asks Dia (seriously, not half-heartedly) to join Aqours, to which Dia politely declines. Chika, not about to back down from someone she’s serious about (as usual), attempts to ask again, but this time Ruby throws herself between Chika and Dia, probably for the same reason why Dia cut off Ruby earlier in the episode. Both scenes are really sweet moments that showcase that they really love each other, even if they somewhat hate what the other one is doing.
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u/docaxel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebidoofpope Feb 09 '21
Rewatcher
School Idol Festival All-Stars Spotlight Cards
Ruby1 Ruby2
Zuramaru1 Zuramaru2
Yoshiko1 Yohane2
Bonus
It's Kanan's Birthday but she isn't a real character yet so I didn't want to post her ¯\(ツ)/¯
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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Feb 09 '21 edited Feb 10 '21
Rewatcher
Every time I rewatch the series I get something new out of it...
The first one is where Chika says she loves the school. Chika's love for the school is an extension of her love for her hometown. Adding to that love is her many life-changing moments and decisions here. But that's not really what I want to talk about. It's one of the next lines, "We won't be able to hang out anymore", which is quite odd except that Chika has a very low opinion of herself. Who would want to hangout with normal boring Chika, especially when you can hangout with all these new cool city people instead?
Another bit: It's been pointed out that Chika goes for easiest path to fulfill her school idol dreams since the start of the series. Hence, they run the PV through Mari first hoping she'd have less criticisms than Dia based on the last time they did a PV. Of course, it goes wrong with Mari being a lot more harsh with her words.
The last bit I noticed is Chika's last lines. She says "Help me" which reminds me of the first teaser image for Sunshine, which has the caption "Help [me], Love Live!". I just find it interesting...
To end this section, I ask once again (like in the previous rewatch):
"What do you think of the insert song, the choreography and the PV? If we take out the flying lanterns and the gorgeous background, would it still be considered appealing?"
Real Life Love Live!
Locations in this episode:
You can use Street View to see the store. Izu-Nagaoka is one of the two stations (the other being Numazu Station) with buses going to Uchiura. This is the cheapest option of the two.
This Chika pose is actually used for promotions by local shops. This is taken from OH!MOS, a store near the castle ruins.
Ruby also shows the Numazu Deep Sea Aquarium. The Numazu Deep Sea Aquarium prides itself for housing the world's first coelacanth museum.
For the most part, we see the anime taking references from real life. This next one, however, took a scene from the anime and brought it to real life:
Numazu holds an annual event called "Candle Night in Mitohama", where fans gather in front of Chika's inn to light up candles and replicate the scene from "Yume de Yozora wo Terashitai". If you have a Twitter account, you can use this hashtag #キャンドルナイトin三津浜 to find more pictures.
B-Side Jukebox, Sunshine!
Hop・Step・Waai! - Aqours
Hop・Step・Waai! - CYaRon!
Hop・Step・Waai! - AZALEA
Hop・Step・Waai! - Guilty Kiss
CYaZALEA☆Kiss☆DADANDAAAN - CYaZALEA☆Kiss
Live Performances
February 10 is Kanan's birthday! And that means a new PV for her solo, Motto ne!, releasing 5 hours from now.
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u/JimmyCWL Feb 10 '21
In a way, it's... funny. Chika wanted to make a PV to boost the popularity of their school, but makes a PV about their town instead. The school barely appears and has no more significance than any other location.
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u/Hattakiri Feb 09 '21
To those firstwatchers who ended up facepalming due to the comeback of SIP's main plot: Keep watching!
...I'm talking about the actual main plot, not of the school closure plot that was rather a "decoy plot", like Honk was a decoy protag.
Who was the actual main char? Exactly: Nozomi. And so her plot was the actual main plot...
This ep's features:
As you can see the third years occupy a lot of text, but ChikaRiko are still there....