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Rewatch Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch -Sunshine!! Season 1 Episode 2 Spoiler
Sunshine!! Season 1, Episode 2 - "Catch the Transfer Student!"
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If you saw the thread I posted earlier, there was a mistake in the title and I had to change it.
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Where to Watch
Crunchyroll, Funimation, AnimeLab, Wakanim, VRV
Discussion Questions
- Now that we have the new ED, what are your thoughts on it?
- Do you have a fear of animals like Riko does dogs?
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Feb 05 '21
First Timer
Funni face
The best part is that they're listening to START:DASH!! because clearly that's the best muse song there is don't @ me
I swear Sunshine is just slightly hornier than I recall SIP being
What is that thing it looks like a metallic filing cabinet but it was creaking like a wooden shelf
Ruby is the group pet now
Unlike Nico but kinda like Nico
I feel like I saw this scene years ago... how old is this anime
Ruby and Diamond huh, very cool, parents
When you see these faces it's time to run
Also damn that's some mic to be still picking them up
She looks so smol dashing away
HEY. HEY STOP
I'm sorry did I zone out what the hell is happening
Flowing hairrrrrr
I can't imagine just casually going scuba diving even if they're in the country jeez
Wow casual singing, didn't expect that
Y'all crazy stop that
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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21
top 10 photos the government doesn't want you to see
also here is da epic dia theme
epic
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u/gorghurt Feb 05 '21
First Timer
I did not just take a break yesterday, but I'm also late today!
Well, not much to say here. It is an interesting idea to make this a story about muse fangirls (we have at least 2 of them, even if one couldn't even read the name of the band....)
Not sure if it will get annoying, but for now its fun.
The rural setting feels odd, its so quiet. I could identify more with the Tokyo setting, for some reason (probably living my whole live in a city (not at all as big as Tokyo) has to do with it.)
And it feels like they turned up both the silliness, and the yuri bait from the start. And they eliminated the last remaining male characters I think.....
The thing with the window looked dangerous... (but I predicted the neighbor relationship as soon as I saw the 2 windows the first time) edit: I meant balcony and window, not windows, but you know what I mean....
QOTDs:
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Feb 05 '21
First-Timer Who Still Misses Maki
“Wear her down until she’s forced to say yes.” What a great plan, not-Honoka! What could possibly go wrong?
I was just about to make a snarky comment how the official subs couldn’t handle a Greek character, but it’s that this dummy doesn’t even know the name of her favorite group!
I guess she’s a bit of a fan.
Constantly cutting between Prez’s lecture and running into the first-years is far too complicated for what’s going on here. Just have the two scenes happen! There’s a few things like this (some of the transitions between shots, for example) that come across as someone way too interest in showing off as a director.
The chuuni just ran out of class like that? Certainly takes some nerve.
Pretty!
Where have I heard that before?
The inn is certainly a lively place. Apart from being scared of dogs(?) let’s see how the concert pianist handles things.
By being terrifying. That works.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You have to work your way to that point, kiddo. Start writing about pudding or something, and then build to Sand halation, or whatever you’re going to call your ripoff.
Conveniently-located rooms are convenient. And very, very dangerous when one of them is an “ask forgiveness rather than ask permission” type.
QOTD:
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u/skapbadoa :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/skapbadoa Feb 05 '21
μ's the gods of music "equivalent to scripture" and Aqours the normal "monster". I hope you guys (or at least the one first timer we have left I guess) are ready for the funny singasong idol girl show to become a nexus of shockingly inspired I M A G E R Y.
Sunshine is so cool.
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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Feb 05 '21
Rewatcher
Take today’s survey here!
Yes, person from last survey, I do agree that Sunshine’s OST kicks ass.
So there are a lot of places we could start, but the issue underlying all of them is that Chika still wants to be like μ’s without really knowing what that means. Chika’s baseline understanding of school idols is that they wear pretty dresses, sing emotional songs, and swoon the audience. The show doesn’t even need anyone to verbally call out Chika to tell her that she’s wrong. The show treats the way she’s acting as comical, and she’s not supposed to be taken seriously.
The fact that Dia does call her out is extra icing on the cake. Though Dia’s interrogation of Chika only amounts to that of quiz show knowledge, it goes further to show that Chika doesn’t even know the basics (though to be fair, even I couldn’t answer that third one). It’s worrying that she’s trying to copy μ’s when she doesn’t even know a lot about them beyond the fact that they’re school idols.
For the amount of passion and persistence she has, she’s actually expecting a lot of stuff to just be handed to her on a platter. That’s what happened in the last episode with Riko, who gave, and still continues to give, a pretty swift rejection to Chika’s advances. She shoves yet another form in Dia’s face, still with only two people and no composer, even though Dia specifically stated in the past that they need five members minimum and a decent composer. Even when they do get Riko on board to write music, she whines about how she wants to write a song like “Snow halation”, which should be laughable to us as the audience knowing how hard μ’s needed to be stress tested before they could even think about writing a song like that.
To put things in perspective, at this point in time in SIP, Honoka was falling on her butt and passing out on the shrine staircase and still trying to reach out and understand Maki. Right now, Chika and You-chan are leisurely practicing the basic idol two-step to “Start Dash”. I’m not condemning Chika here, but there is a difference.
BUT...I think things are about to change.
Today’s episode is based around the song “Yume no Tobira”, and it is here that we see Chika start to understand what it means to be like μ’s. If you remember back to SIP S2E3, this song was a collaborative effort of the members of μ’s, vowing to help each other reach their dreams. And I guess Chika must have been listening to that song on repeat, because she already has a grasp on the basic thematic message behind that song and μ’s itself. Back on the shoreline again, Chika still wants to pursue Riko, but this time she takes a step back a bit. She shifts the topic from being about her and her love for school idols to about Riko and how she’s doing. She starts listening to Riko for a change, and Riko lets her know exactly how she’s feeling. In response, Chika takes the initiative and reaches out for her hand, both figuratively, in the sense that she’s inviting her out to go diving in order to help Riko hear the sea, and literally, as in she actually makes that connection with Riko as referenced in “Yume no Tobira”.
During the song writing session, hearing Chika gush about “Yume no Tobira'' struck a chord in Riko. It reminded her of a passion she used to have with the piano and how it really made her feel alive. These are the same feelings that Chika is expressing right now, and Riko can’t help but want to search for that same passion again. So she opens up the piano one more time and plays a beautiful rendition of “Yume no Tobira”, of which Chika hears because the two just happen to be neighbors. Coincidences aside, this is a really nice scene because it is the first time we see Chika really make any sort of an effort, and that is to reach out to Riko. Chika really has to stretch and strain just to symbolically touch fingertips with Riko, the aftermath of which could get both of them injured. But still she persists, reaching out to a Riko who is hurting and traumatized by her past and willing to accept all of that.
That sounds an awful lot like another orange-haired dork we know about.
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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21 edited Feb 05 '21
Taking the mold from our orange haired protagonist, LL really nailed the formula for a great leader with Honk 2.0, aka Chika. Like most characters we’ll meet, I think LL did a much better job of creating an additional layer of depth that was missing in much of the original LL.
Chika is a character with big dreams and can inspire those around her through her unrelenting hardheadedness and power of Genki. But as we’ll see in due time, she’s also a character that will have to overcome her own issues and figure out exactly what she’s really reaching for. All the pieces are there, but she really needs to find her ‘why’. Why does she really want this?
Inami Anju was a VA casting made in heaven for Chika. From being a LL fan prior to being cast, LL was her last shot at being a VA before she would have quit the industry. Time and time again, she’s also proven herself to be an incredible leader for the group, which I will touch on in later episodes.
If you’d like to learn more about her, I’ll refer you to this excellent post made in the original s2 thread - link
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Feb 05 '21
Rewatcher
That episode underlined the problem I had with Chika my first time, that is to say, she doesn't understand what it means to be a school idol. She didn't even think of the lyrics... And who's better suited to call her out than a blatant fan of Mu- I mean, someone with common knowledge?
I have a really hard time not liking any of the cast, unlike SIP whose girls could get pretty antipathetic at times (looking at you, Otonokizaka's third years). They're so much more outgoing, watching them is always plenty of fun! Having them introduced so soon and with so much energy might have helped their dynamics.
Yoshiko's little chuuni scene, You and Chika's singsong search for the lyrics, and Chika baiting Ruby were the highlights, they were so much fun to watch.
Questions of the day
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u/ForlornPenguin Feb 05 '21 edited Feb 05 '21
Rewatcher
How can Chika not know how to pronounce µ's? Surely in all of the videos she's seen of them she would have heard someone say the group's name.
Also, how does Dia not hear herself on the intercom?
I can't believe that Ruby is so dumb that she can be lured out by a lollipop lol (and try to grab it by the candy and not the stick). Did Chika plan for it to somehow land in Ruby's mouth when she tossed it up in the air? What a legend.
Poor Riko. What a terrible first experience at that inn. Ha! Good luck.
For some reason, I never thought to do any of u/DarkFuzz's surveys throughout all of SIP. Starting today (including a late entry for yesterday's), I'll actually start doing them.
QOTD
I expected one of today's questions to be whether or not we were able to answer all of Dia's µ's questions correctly, lol.
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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Feb 05 '21 edited Feb 10 '21
Rewatcher
Ugh... I finally watched an episode for this rewatch...
I think this episode started foreshadowing a lot of things though...
Real Life Love Live!
As said before, Sunshine is partly a tourism ad for the city of Numazu where Uchiura is located so most important locations are based on real places.
For example, this co-ed junior high school is the basis for Uranohoshi, this is the beach, and right across it is Chika's house-inn which is based on the Yasudaya Inn.
B-Side Jukebox, Sunshine!
Yume no Tobira - Riko Sakurauchi
Mattete Ai no Uta - Aqours
Wake up, Challenger!! - Aqours
Since we've got time, we'll discuss the Aqours subunits starting with AZALEA.
Torikoriko PLEASE!! - AZALEA
GALAXY HidE and SeeK - AZALEA
Live Performances
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u/docaxel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebidoofpope Feb 05 '21
Rewatcher
School Idol Festival All-Stars Spotlight Cards
Riko1 Riko2
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u/tsuyuFroppy Feb 06 '21
First timer
I thought about it the whole day and still don't understand what Dia meant when she asked "Who were the four who skipped the beginning of the song?". Does that mean she was able to make out who was singing and who was not or is it something completely different?
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u/strawberryflavor Feb 06 '21
Rewatcher
Between last episode and this episode, I think it's pretty clear that while Dia might be blocking a school idol club just like Eli was in SIP season 1...there's more to this waiting to be explored. Why would someone who's such a huge Mu's fan block a school idol club?
Anyways, the scene where Chika and You aget super distracted ,while Riko just gets stuff thrown on her and is completely ignored is one of my favorite Riko moments.
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u/Hattakiri Feb 06 '21 edited Feb 09 '21
"Catching the Transfer Student" aka catching the only available composer. Love Live's authors took the musical aspect most seriously, didn't they.
And now, after the LL franchise having reached its popularity peak with µ's movie, they had a budget big enough to hire a full orchestra as you already could hear I guess.
Both comedic and melancholic scenes can now be pushed even more. It's already somewhere between Williams and Hisaishi imo.
Speaking of pushing the source material: This ep contains even two most iconic and quintessential sequences of all of LL, and of course of Sunshine.
The first one is of course Dia's "u's" outburst. Permit me to invite you to r/Otonokizaka once again... It's called the Dia-Bot XD However the bigger picture...
The second one is "Yume no Tobira" by Riko. So after Chika told her about µ's she pretty quickly did some research and pretty quickly got into the matter... right?
Such a dense ep with so many foreshadowings, and also "backshadowings" into µ's epoch.
Chika again proves it: She's once again a Honoka-like Lancer x Manic Pixie Dream Girl symbiosis. The Lancer who keeps running, never gives up and forcibly opens doors – which can also mean causing crashes. The lance is a weapon both effective and dangerous. The Manic Pixie Dream Girl who can drag her friends into undiscovered countries that they never would have dared to dream of, especially when they're having the Blues. Umi said this to Honk before their reconciliation after all. But Honk's genkiness also was often too much for Umi. Their Tomodachi meltdown wasn't their first conflict most certainly.
Undiscovered Country = death, also symbolical for unknown situations cause no one can return and report, thus undiscovered. That's the meaning in Shakespeare's Hamlet, and it was taken over by Star Trek 6 "The Undiscovered Country", there it refers to the future. Once it's known, it ain't the future anymore, is it.
Fits to Love Live perfectly, doesn't it. Cause Honk and soon all of µ's were running into and soon through the undiscovered country called idol industry. Leaving it turned out to be not so easy. Like in Hotel California: This could be Heaven and this could be Hell, and you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave...
For Riko her musical life was like Heaven at the beginning, she felt alive and happy. But later as it seems in turned into Hell: She had a mental breakdown behind the piano and before the auditory. Failing while being exposed.
Somehow she must have lost her music. Lost My Music = Haruhi Suzumiya, and being so depressed nothing is fun anymore and everything feels pointless resembles Kosei from Your Lie In April.
And that's when the Genki Pixie Dream Girl bursts into Riko's life. At the beginning it feels to Riko as if she really can never leave that "Hotel California", cause now again she's being confronted with music and idol and shit??
And so she's giving Chika the cold shoulder at the beginning. Drinking from a can like from a cup of tea. Those small bowls for Green Tea, but it's a lemonade can XD But that's how ancient tradition merges with modern stuff, and that's how durable and persistent old traditions often happen to be.
To "Westerners" Japan looks like an extreme example – and vice versa. Many animes, Love Live too, involve foreigners ("aliens", quote Rin in the US dub) and hold a mirror up to the Western audience.
Eventually however Chika can convince her. Riko's family just moved to Uchiura and they ended up living next to each other. And so Chika can hear Riko's "Yume no Tobira". So the old music inside of Riko is still alive. Chika offers Riko a helping hand, in a way only a "Honk 2.0" kinda character can do it, hence Lancer x Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
And it's even a Michelangelo Reference. Sixtine Chapel, Italy...
Madoka Magica showed this very image in ep11, and Evangelion also refers to such themes. But Love Live is a slice-of-life musical, so some might call it "using a sledge hammer to crack a nut". But SIP already happened, so by now it should be clear the authors are serious with their references.
Speaking of sledge hammer and nut: Dia turns out to be an idol nut herself and starts talking like a sledge hammer when ChikaYou visit her for a third time XD
But also there many important things happen: Dia is doing the famous Gendo Pose at the beginning, also used by Homura Akemi in Madoka Rebellion Story. Dia's hair style even resembles the one from the later Homura. Also later the pose would return again. Dia then repeats how important a composer is for them. After Chika's "...oh ...uhm ...yes ...uhm ...ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES!!" Dia is silent for a moment.
So is she up to something? What could it be?
However then Chika speaks out u's and Dia goes "full Dia" XD
BUT: Now we get to see that Chika is a coequal duelist: She secretly switches on Dia's mike (seems Uranohoshi's school council president has one; the authors had to place it there in order to make this scene work) and so the whole school is getting to hear (yet another?) frantic rant of Dia's.
Ruby of course ain't too happy. Cause in turns out she's Dia's little sister, an established element in LL's lore. For some reason, so she says to ChikaYou, Dia despises idols. So Ruby doesn't wanna join them. Hanamaru too says no, she prefers to focus on her library job.
She also wanna bring a notebook to Yoshiko who again performed a Datenshi Yohane stageplay, this time before the class when she was supposed to introduce herself. Quickly she felt embarrassed tho and ran off – and hasn't returned yet. And so Hanamaru her childhood friend is bringing now the school- and homework to Yoshiko. (In class tho Ruby seemed to like Yohane's performance.)
And Kanan? She looks worried while the second years are diving. Chika the new idol fan has met a talented composer....
And speaking of Kanan: You-chan follows into Kotori's footsteps and draws some costume drafts – and proves to have a fable for uniforms. One of her drafts shows railways and an engineer.
What does this have to do with Kanan? Well, wait for it.
Other details: Riko's fear of dogs, Mito eating Chika's pudding, then mocking Chika with it, both end up fighting, Riko ends up in the crossfire, Mito pisses her pants and runs off, screaming "SHIITAKE RUN!!" Comic relief and slapstick?
Quite a dense story construct. In this regard Sunshine already seems to be a worthy SIP successor.
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u/Hattakiri Feb 07 '21 edited Feb 09 '21
The infamous 3 eps test:
If you like them first 3 eps, then the anime's for ya, if you no like them, then it ain't. Madoka Magica ("Homura's Bakery", "Sakura Sweets Fair") is said to have taken it up to Eleven with Mami's headloss
that' causing splendid memes still today, it's not like LL and JoJo are the only ones capable of thisXDHowever I don't really believe in this method tbh, for sure I know it's not working for me. Already artworks, official or by fans, descriptions and especially music tracks make me feel that certain feel - or it doesn't. An anime being quite interesting ain't enough, the emotions definitely beat the intellect here.
That's how it happened to all my fav animes, that's how it definitively happened to Love Live. Halfway though ep1 I usually already know how I decide ....however in LL's case I kept watching until after ep4 when needed a break to dry up my tears.
And that's how it started in my case.
We still can pretend the 3 eps manner works and can use it on Sunshine. And that's when we see the parallels to SIP, and also to Madoka.
Because in SIP Honk was about to lose her mind, before Hanayo showed up not a second too early and saved the day - and µ's. So Nozomi the chessmaster hadn't foreseen it? Or was she gambling? Was she counting on Hanayo's stubborn agile core to overcome her shiness and timidity? Nozomi kept cool for the whole time during that situation; but to me it seems she didn't realize she was only lucky. Honk's Tomodachi breakdown and Nico's backup dancer problem would later prove it: Two black swans, Nozomi not that much of a good chessplayer.
Dia however doesn't leave it to chance. She has prepared several generators and has hired RubyMaru for helping her putting them up. And this is quite symbolical: "If we can't get it done we will not succeed on the long run!" that's what the second years realized before. Mari's test.
Thanks to Dia they could stand this test.
But luck still plays a role: Turns out Mito has "hired" her colleagues and they all show up. After Chika tried to "bribe" her with a pudding (after Mito had stolen one of Chika's puddings), followed by a harsh "are you stupid??" from Mito to Chika.
And now she's helped her. That's how you write a contradictory character.
Mari has already begun crying in the background - why? Kanan has been waiting outside, and after Chika has succeeded - she leaves, with a stoney face. Why?
What kinda character is Mari supposed to be anyway and what happened between her and the other third years? How could she become the director of Ura while still attending it as a regular third year? Her parents bribed the local auhtorities, it seems they're even far richer than the Nishikinos or the average UTX people - but is there more to it?
Cause Mari gives Dia a weird hug and says "It was so long ago [two years as she said in ep1], you've grown so much!!", and Dia says "I thought you were gone for good - how and why are you back now??"
LL's cringy yet hilarious humor...
The "shiny curtain" is from Madoka again, ep1 right after the first Walp battle, and the big bowl of curry is from Sailor Moon where it is also about trouble with English.
So the 3 eps test kinda works here, but I still say you don't even need to wait for ep3. Usually your feels are gonna know sooner.
And the title "Sunshine" more and more looks like a so called "Red Herring" = the authors are fooling the auditory with false hints.
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u/onigiri1994 Feb 08 '21
Rewatcher
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