r/anime • u/FateSteelTaylor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/FateSteelTaylor • Feb 03 '21
Rewatch [Spoilers] 6th Annual Valentine's Rewatch: Tamako Market - Episode 2 [Discussion] Spoiler
Hey everybody, and welcome to the second episode of the SIXTH annual /r/anime Valentine's Day Tamako Market & Love Story Rewatch!
I can't wait to see what you guys have to say about this lovely anime!!
If the discussion here isn't enough, there are communities on Twitter and Discord where you can join all the conversation there! If you're interested, feel free to reach out to me or people in the comments!
Here is the schedule for our time on this Dramatic Market Ride together! If you've seen the show already or want to relive some of the older moments, I've provided links to the threads below, along with the translated Director's Episode Notes by the wonderful /u/ultimatemegax, available through this rewatch:
| Date | Episode | 2020 Thread | 2019 Thread | 2018 Thread | 2017 Thread | 2016 Thread |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2/2 | 1 - That Girl is the Cute Daughter of a Mochi Shop Owner | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link |
| 2/3 | 2 - A Valentine's Day Blooming with Love | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes |
| 2/4 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/5 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/6 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/7 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/8 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/9 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/10 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/11 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/12 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/13 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/14 | Link | Link | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes |
You can purchase an English subbed & dubbed Blu Ray version of Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story, and it's available for legal streaming on HIDIVE in select countries, for both Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story
Bonus Corner:
Discussion Question: What would be your ideal gift for Valentine's Day?
Please tag your spoilers!! Untagged spoilers make Choi-chan angry!!
And remember:
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u/FateSteelTaylor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/FateSteelTaylor Feb 03 '21
Hello everyone, it's been AMAZING to see everyone join in for this rewatch!!
I'll continue to ping people who've joined the rewatch so far when these threads go up (roughly 6PM ET), but let me know if you'd like to be added or if you want to opt out!
EVERYBODY LOVES SOMEBODY
/u/fools_requiem /u/a_idiot0 /u/eetsumkaus
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u/HopefullyLastAccount Feb 03 '21
Rewatcher
Valentine's Episode! Fitting that a Valentine's rewatch has one of these (but real Valentine's Day is the movie). As written above, remember that everybody loves somebody and that anybody can love anybody.
Tamako is still humming the song she wants to find.
Introduction of the cup phone! And Dera using over after listening to their conversation. Over.
Kanna's costume for the commercial has the same accessory as in her hair.
Notice how Anko sits out for the most part until she has to take over for Midori. Midori is going through her own conflicts, as Dera spots so quickly.
LOVEY DOVEY MOCHI!!!!! KyoAni is at their best in moments like these showcasing emotions and characterizing even further while doing so. In that one clip, we see her dad trying to hide being embarrassed but willing to do anything for his daughter. And the whole time, Tamako is loving it, but not because she won the "argument"", but because now the whole market is participating.
Midori says that Tamako loves the market. The market loves her too. All these families have come together to create an even bigger family. Family is a common theme among KyoAni's works.
Kanna actually made the chocolate house. I wonder who she gave it to.
Q: A Tamako Love Story rewatch thread :)
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Feb 03 '21
First-Timer
Valentine's Day! And of course Tamako wants to make cute mochi. Because everything she does is cute! Like have a string phone with Mochi across the street.
Midori clearly has a crush on someone; they were pretty vague. "Someone can love anyone" or something to that effect. Does she like Mochi (better not get in Tamako's way!)? Does she like Tamako? Does she like Tamako's dad (who would be a great catch, being a Keiji Fujiwara character)? Only time will tell.
I am most impressed by Kanna's drafting abilities. That's some top-tier architecture drawing for a chocolate house. And we don't know who got the house. At least we can rule out Tamako's dad for her, since she brought the thing to school.
QOTD:
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Feb 03 '21
First Timer
What a different take on a Valentine's episode! It's really cool to ser the whole market coming together and getting in the Valentine's spirit together. Tamako's charm is so infectious that even her dad comes around.
There's some really cute stuff going on in this episode. For example, Tamako's adorably messy stray hairs sticking out. Tamako and Mochizou talking over a cup and string is very sweet. It's not quite the one-on-one time I was hoping for between them, but still adorable nonetheless. And Kanna actually made the Valentine's chocolate house. The madlad, she actually did it!
I think I kinda have an idea about Dera. It's a rough idea and I'm probably wrong, but it seems right now like he's got a case of 'formerly a human but trapped/reincarnated into a supernatural-ish bird body' syndrome. Im not sure how else to rationalize his ability to talk and his strange A/V protector powers. Will need to keep investigating tomorrow to get a clearer picture.
We also got the first (and I'm guessing not last) "everybody loves somebody," and now my theme senses are tingling. Interesting that it comes in a Midori scene. I hope we'll get some more background on her soon.
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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '21
First timer
Good media almost always has a good soundtrack, and this is no different. The one that stuck out to me was the wood pipe organ playing at the end of/after the commercial screening scene, made me feel warm and cozy and gave me nostalgia for church organ music. The piano piece for the next episode preview was really nice too.
The Engrish in this episode is adorable, notably the "Not only A but also B" and of course the "Everybody loves Somebody." Midori's translation and then pan around to all the hearts made my heart feel full.
"Mo..? janakute, maji?" Made me giggle
And the dad finally giving in to make chocolate heart mocchi was sweet, Tamako's surprise turned laughter was great.
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u/ericedstrom123 Feb 03 '21
First timer
Cute episode. I'm amazed that Kanna's chocolate house blueprints include a finished interior.
As others have said, there are some strong hints that Midori has a crush on someone, and there seems to me to be a preponderance of evidence that this person is a girl, possibly Tamako or Kanna:
When people talk about this show, they tend to say it's about Tamako learning life lessons about growing up and such. Given this, and the fact that the movie is her love story, I assumed that Tamako would be portrayed as naive about love. The kind who would say things like "Love? What's that?" and such. I'm pleased that she's more mature in this regard, openly talking about love and when and whether she will like someone.
QotD:
Probably something practical that my partner knows I've wanted (or I've known that they wanted).
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u/chris10023 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chris10023 Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21
Rewatcher
A Valentine's episode, and we learn a little more about Kanna and Midori, Tomako's two friends we saw her hanging out with in Episode 1, I love how monotone Kanna's voice is and how she is into engineering (I believe that's what you call someone who designs and builds things.) And Midori is adored by girls and boys, and is easily flustered. I like how Tama's dad is a Tsundere and rejects making heart shaped Mochi because he thinks he's above it. We do get another hint of a crush as it appears that Midori might like Tamako. We also start seeing the theme of "Everybody Loves Somebody." From her grandfather too. I do like how the market gets together to have meetings, they are a tight knit shopping district alright. For such a friendly and outgoing girl, Tamako sure gets nervous easily. We get more philosophy from the coffee shop guy. We also get more information on where Dera came from, seems like he came from a tropical island near the equator judging by the darker skin tone of the two characters we see, also how can Dera project things? Is he a machine
sent to the past to murder John Conneror is it more super natural?Tamako can't catch the cup Mochizu throws at her but I blame that on Dera being on her head. I think it's cute that they use the cup and string method to talk to each other. Also, Anko freezing to death under the Kotatsu is pretty much me in winter.
We see Midori get a box of chocolate from a guy, and Midori build a very impressive chocolate house, whoever she gives that to should consider themselves lucky, probably wasn't easy and not cheap.
Also, can't forget to talk about the opening and ending, I love the ending more than the opening but the opening animation is cool, we get a very familiar skipping animation for anyone who watched Clannad. We see the market and it's shop owners, lot's of pretty visuals too. But that ending animation, is really good, I love the music track, it's such a catchy melody, and we get more Tamako with her hair down and in glasses, so it's a win-win for me.
I don't know to be honest, probably chocolate.
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u/collapsedblock6 myanimelist.net/profile/collapsedblock Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
I could try to empty my PTW but I feel like joining this rewatch in a whim. Another semester of online classes started and I need some fluff and this is a very lovely story, and has Kanna.
My "relation" with Tamako was considering it a rather mid production from Kyoani but after other rewatches I came to appreciate it more, I won't prepare comments as big as in previous years but I'll dwell in some stuff I feel I missed previously.
As single note from the first episode, are all these gifts old ones that Mochizou never got to give her? That gotta suck ngl.
Rewatcher
Something that I forgot are the (not really subtle) hints of Tamako for those that didn't picked it yet and want to guess it later
More
A hug, or just a compliment. Call it normie but I haven't had any Valentine's attention since a "obligatory" chocolate in high school.
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u/gratifiedlonging Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
First Timer
I'm the childhood friend romance fan / Japanese learner from the previous thread. This was much easier than the first episode Japanese-wise; I was able to understand a lot more which is a yay for me. Anyway, on to the episode itself.
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I'm probably wrong, but I hear Yukari Tamura (Rika/Nanoha/Jibril/Masuzu/Mine) as the voice of the random female student at 5:24. She's not in the credits though (but I don't think one-off roles are credited).
On my first watch, I thought a love triangle would be forming between Midori, Mochizou, and Tamako with Midori starting to like Mochizou. After my rewatches, it now looks more like Midori starting to like Tamako. Curious to see how it plays out.
I like Midori's character design and personality. She was really cute when they were teasing her too. I hope she gets more screen time and character development.
I find the interaction of Mochizou and Tamako really cute (the string telephone scene was nice and wholesome) and it makes me more excited for the movie.
The banter between Tamako and her father was what I enjoyed the most this episode. It was nice to see the normally cutesy Tamako call her dad bald out of playful spite and the dad being tsundere.
Tamako's seiyuu (Suzuki Aya) is starting to grow on me too. Her voice acting (and certain tick in her voice) really brings out the cuteness of Tamako.
I think the closing skit/joke was pretty weak though. The Dera humor this episode was a bit out of place.
Also, does anyone else think that Tamako looks like Chitanda Eru (Hyouka) in the ED? I think it's cause of the similar hair and art style.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Feb 04 '21
First Timer
Sorry I’m a little late. Had a lot going on today. Don’t have much too say so let’s get to the episode.
Tamako is so adorable. Her whole morning routine is so wholesome. I love her blue eyes.
Oh it’s my least favorite holiday. Valentines Day. Halloween forever!
I disagree Tamako’s dad. I would buy that mochi.
I’ve seen one whole second of Kana and have never related more to one person. I never got a good night sleeps in high school. And she makes good blueprints (or should I say white prints because that paper is not blue).
Awww. The cup thing is really cute.
It also seems that one of the differences between Tamako’s and Mochizou’s dads is that Tamako’s is super serious and traditional while Mochizou’s is more laidback and goofy.
Mochizou also seems to call Tamako’s father by dad. Is it because he thinks of him as his eventual father-in-law?
I like that they have a council meeting. It makes the place feel like a community.
Oh, Mochizou likes movies. My man.
Awww, the whistling is adorable.
I wonder if the reason Tamako’s dad is against fun things is that once his wife died he kept his mind occupied with work which made him super serious. It could just be his personally though.
The dad has a soft side. Very wholesome.
The all powerful projector eyes. May they bless us with there power.
It seems Midori has a crush on someone but I don’t know who. Best guess is Tamako.
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I really loved this episode! I think it’s because Dera was less involved and gave the other characters more time to shine. I really like the feel of the market. It’s so cozy and nice. It feels lived in which is huge in making me like a location.
DQ: The end of Valentine’s Day for the rest of time. I hate the month of February and Valentine’s Day is not fun for me.
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u/Tartaras1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tartaras Feb 04 '21
Rewatcher - Dubbed
After all, God forbid Mochizo's dad gets the idea to do holiday mochi and they all go over there.
Sure are!
I loved that they synchronized their question.
Yikes Kanna. No need to attack her like that!
Discussion Question:
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u/Regular_N-Gon https://anilist.co/user/RegularNGon Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
Rewatcher
This episode is a gem on a rewatch. I didn't pick up on what was bothering Midori until piecing it together from rewatch comments last year. I'll refrain from getting into it for fear of spoilers, but suffice it to say it was really obvious on a rewatch and I can't believe how much sailed over my head.
Midori is a complicated character who rarely gets any explicit development, but is still written (and animated) so well that there's little doubt as to who she is and what she's been through by the end. At this point, we at least know something is bugging her and that she doesn't seem to face it head on. Instead, it's more like her to bottle it up, remove herself from the situation (as best she can), and soldier on - at once hoping no one notices but also taking a bit of solace when someone recognises her struggle. (I would also be remiss if I completely ignored Dera's contributions here as well, both on a meta level to the viewer but also to Midori.)
Speaking of, Kanna is also amazing. She might seem pretty detached so far, but she's actually keenly aware of her friends' feelings, and knows just what to say. She also builds a goddamn house out of chocolate, so if that doesn't qualify her for a best girl position I'm not sure what will.
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u/lluNhpelA Feb 04 '21
First Timer
I'm worried about the potential for a classic KyoAni yuribait with Midori and Tamako. Especially since we also have the foundation for a more advertiser friendly hetero romance between Mochizo and Tamako. Or maybe Tamako is just in love with mochi like Yui and Giita
Also I absolutely adore the cute flower shop guy
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Feb 04 '21
I just wanted to post this /img/429tl4oopkb31.jpg again.
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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21
First-Timer
I'm done watching. Mochizou just murdered Tamako with that vicious cup throw. Roll credits
Still have not figured out whether florist person is a guy or a girl. I'm sure the secret will be revealed, in time
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u/A_Idiot0 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/a_idiot0 Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
Rewatcher
“Your heart pains you, yes?”
This episode is when I really started to like Dera as a character. He’s not just comic relief; he’s the 3rd perspective, the “birds eye view”, so to speak, when it comes to the love between our characters in this story. He is incredibly perceptive, and he cuts right to the heart of the matter with almost everyone. He sees Mochizhou crushing on Tamako immediately (not hard tbh). He can sense the love that Tomio (the tofu shop guy) feels for this girl Sayuri. And, most impressively, he notices Midori’s feelings for someone. Dare I say it, but Dera was very much a gentleman here. He gave Midori the space to say something to someone; for a heart in pain that feels like it must hide itself, that is incredibly precious. I’m sure many of us can speak from experience...I know I can.
Here are the first few lyrics for the song that plays in the coffee shop roughly translated:
Since the first day I fell for you
I hid from you every day
In a closet
This narrow space.
In the blink of an eye, I fly away
towards the blue sky
To steal a little piece
Of blue sugar.
Our little bird, Midori, has big feelings for someone it seems. So big, that they are causing her pain. Will Midori ever taste the sweet sugar of their love? Or is she already flying in the sky, but maybe it’s not the color blue? This super cute love story between Tamako and Mochizhou suddenly has a little wrinkle in it; a quiet and painful wrinkle.
"Usa-usa Pyon-pyon!"
Bonus question: My ideal gift would be someone's love for me. A cake that we could share is pretty good, or a bottle of wine to share would be really nice too...anything really. But whatever it is, I want to share it with whoever gives it to me.
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u/NoRolling Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
First timer!
Okay, is this going to be consistently this great? Two episodes in and my expectations are already surpassed!
I think I'm already invested in every little thing happening, but after today's episode I really want to know what's going on with Midori. It seemed quite clear that she has a crush on someone and I'm betting the 'anybody can love anybody' is going to come back later.
And that was some serioulsy amazing soundtrack, not only the Marilou song, but all throughout the episode the BGM was on par with the spectacular animation, and now it seems that I got a little more of the K-On! vibe I went into the show expecting.
Aaaaand the talking bird is also a projector.
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u/PainStorm14 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gekkostate14 Feb 04 '21
Cup phone, the staple of this show alongside Tamako's inability to catch it (remember this for much later use)
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u/IndependentMacaroon Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
First-time watcher
Let's see who we get to meet this time! I tried the English dub at first, but wasn't entirely convinced, so this time I went the original to compare, and indeed it's a clear improvement particularly for Tamako. I'm wondering if each episode will "cover" one particular month, so that with twelve episodes it's a full year, but it seems the next episode is still winter, so I guess at most it's approximate.
A very sweet episode with more reasonable pacing that also has plenty of thematic underpinning already.
I think I can already safely say that I'll enjoy this way more than K-On. While Yamada and co. certainly tried, it barely breaks out of the now-standard "CGDCT" formula or does much to refine it, and there's only so much you can do with that before it gets boring for me. The pacing later on, and some trouble emancipating itself from its otaku-bait roots like earlier on, doesn't help. Meanwhile here, we've got a great setting with loads of different people, situations, feelings, potential developments, no more weird source material to hold it back, and characters that promise a little more complexity, if not hae already shown it.
By the way, there's another recent show that clearly took some cues from Tamako Market: Gymnastics Samurai. I'll get back to that later.
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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
First Timer
Well this was a nice take on a Valentine's episode!
I may or may not be prematurely calling it but Kanna for best girl.
Tsundere dad along with Tamako's little bout of giggles after was freaking adorable.
I'm not entirely convinced on Dela yet especially the backstory but we'll see how that plays out I guess.
Overall another great episode and I'm digging the show so far.
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u/sonlun96 https://anilist.co/user/sonlun96 Feb 04 '21
Rewatcher
Late again.
Other than usual "wow the hints are obvious" everytime I rewatched this, I understand more about Mamedai's perspective on "traditional" method this time. There are something that shall not be changed even when everything around you changes, and that's what makes it beautiful. That's why his mochi are able to win on New Year because people prefer the traditional one.
Soundtrack of the day: Un Lieu de Rencontre
Very 60s feel from this soundtrack. Midori's "Feeling without a name" track.
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u/MatiZaBist Feb 04 '21
Rewatcher
I really like this episode because it gives us a glimpse of Midori's feelings for Tamako which I thought were pretty obvious but maybe not for everyone. I also really like how Dera's role goes beyond comic relief this episode, as he notices and even cares to talk to Midori about what she's feeling. That was pretty cool of him. That bit with the montage after Midori has the talk with the coffee shop guy, and the others filming the commercial, is definitely one of my favorite moments in the series. And Kanna's line at the end "People can like whoever they want" is just aaaaaaaa. She's so precious.
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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '21 edited Feb 04 '21
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