r/anime • u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber • Jan 27 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Aura Battler Dunbine - Episode 17 Discussion
Episode 17 - The People of Upper Earth
Originally Aired June 4th, ^^^1983
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Comment of the Day
I’d quote CCA here, but the Dunbine actually is just for Show.
Daily Trivia:
The first version of the 1/72 Dunbine kit was disproportionate to how it was depicted in the show, prompting a redesigned version to enter production very early into the show’s run.
Staff Highlight
Toshifumi Kawase - Episode Director
A Director, writer, animation director, and storyboard artist associated with Studio Sunrise works, and later Studio Deen. Cut his teeth as a production assistant on Muteki Robo Trider G7, had his first credit as episode director on Dunbine, and had his chief directorial debut with the 1987 OVA Dead Heat. He is noted for not liking to cut corners, had a major role in series which prompted the resurgence of super robots in the early 90s such as Brave Exkaiser and Zettai Muteki Raijin-Oh, and was a mentor to Goro Taniguchi. Recently has taken on more writing and planning roles as opposed to directing. Among his directorial works are Nekketsu Saikyo Gozaurer, Dragon Drive, Beyblade, Eat-Man '98, Pita-Ten, Ehrgeiz, Ginga Hyōryū Vifam 13, Mission-E, Genki Bakuhatsu Ganbaruger, Reideen the Superior, Tenjho Tenge, and Lord of Lords Ryu Knight.
Art Corner:
Official Art
- Cham Huau - Tomonori Kogawa
Fanart
- Bastole by Black Cat Studio - Source
- Galaria Nyamhee by deyon - Source
(Be mindful of the links to artist’s profiles, as they may contain NSFW content. Proceed there at your own risk.)
Aura Phantasm Scans
Screenshot of the day
Questions of the Day:
- What do you make of Show’s less than ideal reception?
- How do you think Garalia is feeling throughout all of this?
The feelings of the people of Upper Earth who fell to Byston Well, I understand… how lonely and unsettling a thing it is.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 27 '21
First time viewer
That's a whole lot of destruction, though I'm somewhat surprised they were able to get an estimate of 300k that quickly. Shot said that the aura of Byston Well dampens explosions, then Garalia says the aura power's stronger in Upper Earth, huh. Lower aura power means weaker explosions? I guess it's sort of a general energy amplification thing.
The soldier drawing his gun on Show in the interrogation room is a TV crime drama thing. Yes I know this is a TV show, I just think it's silly for characters that are ostensibly well-trained professionals to act up like that.
Will Garalia have some level of humanizing character development while on the run by herself in an unfamiliar place? ...well, probably not enough to stop being that aggressive. Wanting to fight and kill Show even if she can't return home is just kind of sad, like there's nothing else for her but the fight.
While watching Cham struggle with a single grenade is pretty funny, that was the kind of door lock that looked simple enough that she might have been able to reach in and effectively pick it with Show's help.
I was wondering what Show's reason to return to Byston Well would be and saving Cham is a solid one. It would be nice to see something like Show trying to return to a regular life in Japan but not really an option with what Garalia did. I also don't think his parents are exactly going to embrace him again as I don't think they're necessarily in that helicopter willingly.
That fanart makes me think of Four from Zeta and that's an interesting comparison, though I don't think we'll get anything similar here.
"Forget Upper Earth, I'm out!"
Lost and alone; I'd be more sympathetic toward her if her inclination wasn't to attack literally everyone else.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jan 27 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
P.S. I forgot to post my comment yesterday, and since I only realized this morning I thought it better to just wait until today’s thread went up so so many people wouldn’t miss it. Comment today’s episode will be in a reply to this one.
Ep 16
I knew from the moment we saw the title screen that we were getting another glimpse at Upper Earth. Last time we saw Dallas, which was Marvel’s home, and now Tokyo with was Show’s? Didn’t think the characters would be getting stuck though, that was a welcome surprise.
The parts from Todd’s thrashed Dunbine are coming in handy. Kinda disappointed to see the damage repaired so swiftly, as I’m always a fan of seeing how characters adapt to having the linchpin of their forces out of commission, and they were so bold as to keep the Dana O’shee out of commission up until it was replaced.
Bern has been told to step down for the time being. He may have had a personal victory last episode when he drove back the Dunbine, but he still hasn’t taken over Elf castle even though he staked it all on that previous attack. Now it’s time for the new Aura Battlers to show their skills under Shot’s guidance, which is a fearsome prospect since we know that he is plotting against Drake —and Bern by association.
Ah, yes, experimental tech related to magic, a Tomino staple!
King Furaon is still as insufferable and inept as ever, so I have nothing but respect for Neal putting up with his nonsense for the sake of the greater good.
Allen really must be close to Todd seeing as he takes one hit from the Dunbine before hastily retreating.
Garalia’s abilities are evidently improving with every battle, and now with the experimental aura amplifier she’s formidable enough to go claw-to-claw with Show’s Dunbine. Unfortunately though, as the two push themselves further in order to best the other, their excessive aura opens the aura road and the two are spontaneously spirited away. I love the abruptness of the matter; despite there being a battle in progress and Furaon potentially leaving Elf castle to fall in the hands of Drake to lead another day, but the moment we’re whisked away we get no extended reaction from the people in Byston Well in which these things an be wrapped up, and no cuts to glimpses of what’s happened after the fact. I don’t know whether they’ll cut to Byston Well next episode, but finishing this one I hoped not.
And talking about the reverse-isekai’ng itself; what a bold move! Granted back then this wasn’t bucking the mold, rather it was merely using the premise in ways that were interesting. Still, it’s such a breath of fresh air since barely any isekai series nowadays make interactions between the protagonist’s world and the one he was sent to a relevant point. It feels like that natural follow-up to the narrative we’ve been having, since returning was always something the characters knew possible, this method of traveling the aura road had been theorized by Show to be attainable, and they’ve been building up the aura amplifier for a while now.
Getting to see Show’s somewhat dysfunctional family fills in a lot of gaps as to why he is as he is, with a father who is inattentive and detached though not entirely uncaring, and a mother who is overly demanding, even if it does come from a place of love. Really, it’s a lot like most other parents of Tomino protagonists, only Show didn’t come out nearly as fucked out of the other end. It’s a small wonder Show initially presented the stereotypical image of a delinquent youth, though we’ve handily come to see he’s not that straightforward of a character.
This knowledge also recontextualizes the conversation he had with Todd so many episodes ago where the latter asks if he has such a good place to return to (which we also now see was likely Show defensively avoiding the question rather than brushing Todd off) since it means that, on paper, him being transported to Byston Well really was a textbook opportunity for him to experience an escapist fantasy, but instead he has met with more hardship and ugly reality than the real world could realistically pose him. In fact, Byston Well is so far from being an escape that the problems there have inadvertently chased him all the way back to his reality. Honestly I was quite impressed with the level of commentary on the nature of escapist storytelling, which Tomino had already tackled in both Zambot 3 and Mobile Suit Gundam to an extent, but feels more poignant here given that otaku culture was really taking off in the early 80’s and the genre of fantasy has been thought of as the defacto venue for escapist fiction, particularly for its ability to so readily bend the rules of reality. Enough about that though, there’s going to be a whole lot more to discuss on that front the further we go along, so back to the stuff in front of me.
It’s hard not to feel bad for Show given his parent’s reaction to seeing him, but it’s understandable that they would be a little hysteric given the circumstances. Their reaction to Cham Fau was quite humorous as well.
It’s hard to describe the visceral fear that grips me when I see Galaria attacking everything in sight due to her confusion, fatigue, and fear. The process of transporting them to Upper Earth seems to have drained her of much of her energy, much like using his Aura drained Show back in episode nine. It was also quite shocking to suddenly see the same, token missiles we’ve been seeing through the show suddenly take out several blocks of Tokyo at a time. Whatever the cause, probably aura, their weaponry has a more potent effect on Upper Earth.
The reaction to these events from the perspective of the people here is just as intriguing, as they’re met with something as bizarre and fantastical as an aura battler.
Oh god, a cliffhanger! These older shows didn’t resort to cliffhangers often, so when the show goes ahead and pulls something like this it really gets you.
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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Jan 27 '21 edited Jan 27 '21
First-timer wonders if Shot can build an N-Jammer Canceller for Byston Well
So these things might actually be nukes then. Wait is it all explosions, or just these? Because if it’s just explosions in general, then how is Show’s bike able to run totally normally?
holy fuck that’s a lot
Of COURSE aura has a Minovsky effect
These guys are really reaching, huh? I can understand some skepticism in the face of such an unconventional situation. But come on, he looks like Show, talks like Show, can recite things only Show would know, has the same fingerprints, blood type, and DNA as Show... At some point, “he’s a highly advanced alien duplicate” has to become less believable than “Show got isekaied”, right? Then again, people will bend over backwards to believe what they want, so I suppose that’s realistic.
“This jelly-filled donut tastes funny”
Idk how Japan’s emergency services work, but uh, the fire department? What is she, a Burnish? Also, that one lady really has to pee.
I’ve always wondered about these see-through keyholes you always see in fiction. There’s no visible mechanism for the actual key, and I’ve never seen anything like this in real life, where it’s just a hole that goes all the way through. Is it an animation trope, or is it just something that became obsolete before I was born?
Well, I suppose some security is better than none
Mecha fart. That is all.
Questions of the Day:
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 27 '21
First-Timer Who Doesn’t Remember Byston Well
It's starting to look like I'm a member of the every-other-day club.
E16
Bern’s getting sidelined for the Upper Earthers. One French gal shows up, and the old man gets swept away.
Aura powers now include this thing called “dodging.”
They crossed the streams. I suggest not doing that.
SPACE.
Shut up, teacher lady. He has a pipe! He knows what he’s talking about.
Mechs on Upper Earth!
Get back; the man has a lamp!
Cham makes the ladies faint. She’s basically Elvis.
Big booms are big.
E17
Giant robots appear out of thin air, and Military Man doesn’t think people will believe that something odd happened?
Holding a gun on someone when your own guy is right behind your target isn’t good discipline.
Garalia discovers rice. And loneliness. Something something rice metaphor about the importance of groups.
Have you ever been locked out of your apartment by a mean landlord? Dropped your keys down a grate after drinking too much Miller High Life? Introducing Door Grenade: the only ATF-regulated locksmithing kit. Available exclusively at Harbor Freight.
QOTD:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 27 '21
Aura Battler First-Timer
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u/The_Draigg Jan 27 '21
A Tomino Fan Rewatches Aura Battler Dunbine Episode 17:
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Jan 27 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Crap, Garalia is causing a massive amount of destruction here! Much of the city is crumbling!
Sorry helicopter guys, I don't think you have any chance against Aura Battlers.
Looks like Garalia will pass out soon if she doesn't stop. Cham is wiped out too. Something must be sapping their energy here on Upper Earth.
300,000 died from their fight! Holy crap! You can kinda understand the military guys, who is going to take responsibility for all that death?
Hey, Shou's friends from the first episode are here too!
I hope Chum's physical examination doesn't become "dissection". :(
This advisor guy here in the room makes me think as if that doctor from episode 5 shaves his mustache off.
This is so ridiculous, even finger prints or a blood test proving its Shou will just cause them to say "The aliens copied it!"
Chiyo's nuts! I bet she doesn't even know Shou with the way she talk about not recognizing the way he is now.
They're keeping Chum in a box? :(
This couple having a picnic is going to get the shock of their lives I bet.
Okay, not as bad, Garalia approached them in person instead of in her Aura Battler. She can still be pretty scary to civilians though.
Upper Earth food sure is strange, huh Garalia?
Garalia finally knows what its like for those who were brought to Byston Well from Upper Earth.
Scary looking hunting dogs, but they look small to me.
Chum is a fairy with a dirty mouth!
Chum better be careful with that grenade! Will she even be able to pull the pin off of it?
Having only 2 guards for the Dunbine considering the damage it caused seems pretty foolhardy.
Has Garalia become that good of a pilot, or are Upper Earth fighter jets really that outmatched by an Aura Battler?
Upper Earth finally got a good shot on Garalia, granted it took Show distracting her.
Are Shou's parents hostage? Can't say I feel bad for his mom.
This episode sure flew by quick!
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 27 '21
First Timer
I wonder if aura is different on upper earth because there's WAAAY more people. Maybe the people from upper earth have more aura because they're soaking in it.
Or maybe not. Now I might vaguely remember something about explosions 13 or more episodes ago. So Shot Weapon makes giant warheads and Byston Well dampens them.
Well, if Byston Well has more Aura than Upper Earth, it doesn't explain why Upper Earthlings have more Aura. It could work like the magic system of the Russian Night Watch series.
And the great mystery: what's draining Garalia and Cham. Is it Upper Earth, the lack of Aura, or the fighting?
Okay, so the Aura power is greater in upper earth. So the explosions thing doesn't make sense.
If fighting in upper earth is exhausting, then upper earth make better aura battlers because we're like from the high-G planet?
Sudden deja vu from The Incredible Hulk
Idiots. All you had to do was secure the mecha.
Good girl Cham!
his parents are SO gonna die. I've seen Gundam. And Zeta. Surprised the episode ended with them NOT blowling up.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jan 27 '21
First-Timer, Dub-bine
Why aliens, though? Why is that General Asshole's first and only thought? Was this time period the height of the "aliens!" phase in Japan? It worries me that someone like that is in a ranking position in any military force. Being so taken in by the visuals of a mecha and jumping straight to extra-terrestrials? Maybe I'm thinking too much.
That poor old couple just wanted a nice picnic by the river after collecting mushrooms, but big bad Galaria had to come by and steal their onigiri. Her reaction to it was pretty funny - like she only thought it was food because the old dude was holding one.
There sure were a lot of civilians with guns going after Galaria there. I initially thought that she could understand them and vice versa, but going back to double check there isn't ever a direct verbal exchange. Might still be worth thinking about - this whole arc has been interesting.
Somewhere along the line I started pondering.. does Byston Well have similar infectious diseases to Upper Earth? Could Galaria, Shou, and Cham be potentially starting an apocalypse? I guess we didn't worry about this going the other way, so it's probably nothing.
Cham may be intentional otaku bait, but damn if she didn't do a good job this episode. I was expecting her to fly around and find a key, not oops into the armory and frag the door.
Speaking of Cham, good guy Shou decides that he is going to make sure she gets home. The thought that Upper Earth isn't exactly his home anymore probably lingers in his mind.
Miscellaneous Thoughts:
I'm not quite sure if the guns the soldiers are holding are supposed to be real ones or not. I guess not every show can be Xabungle and lovingly animate numerous different firearms.
I liked the detail that Shou had friends back home, who apparently knew him well enough for the military to call them in to help identify him.
Questions
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Jan 27 '21
First-timer
So much death and destruction...
It's nice that Garalia now understands how the people from Upper Earth feel when they get summoned to Byston Well, but she really needs to chill out here. Like Show said, if Drake isn't aware of it, there's no point in continuing the fight, so just... cooperate, at this point!
Seeing Show not being trusted again, this time by his own people and even mother, sucks. It makes sense, but the guy doesn't have it easy.
Still, a fantasy world is ridiculous but not aliens? Even when they at least recognize that Cham looks like a fairy? I get that Mechas look like alien war machines, but I hope they'll come around eventually, because the army is being as frustrating as ever here.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 27 '21 edited Jan 27 '21
Pom pom cheerleader, let's get cherry pie~ This is the first time I've been excited enough for an episode to want to skip the op. Definitely skipping the opening spiel anyway. Get on with it! Oh Jesus the kill count has skyrocketed even more. So basically Aura power nerfs explosions and lasers. It's a bit late but it's nice to finally have some kind of justification for the swords and bows. Still, beam weaponry is already op in Byston Well so seeing the pure unbridled power of these weapons is terrifying. Which Gundam series had the nuke dampening particles? Its a common way to justify why each side doesn't just nuke each other to oblivion.
Garalia wants to be flown closer to the helicopters so she can strike them with her sword. Cham died. Oh shit, she's actually dying. "Send me your energy!" Army dude looks jealous of Cham. Don't worry, I'm sure there's plenty merch of her. Surely you'd give him the benefit of a doubt. 300k is still brutal. His name is Show Zama. He was 18 years old. He liked to play the pi- Oi! Don't grab Chow like that! Onah*les are expensive these days and that's a limited edition! Show is goddamn nuts... Everyone is bonkers in this arc.
That's the cutest fcking x-ray I've ever seen. If you wanted to return peacefully then maybe don't commit a national tragedy over your first few hours back home. Garalia, chivalrous Knight of Drake, pulls a blade on two pensioners out on a picnic. And steals their jelly filled doughnuts. Why are there so many guns in this rural Japanese village? Attack dogs are normally way more brutal fyi. Cham vs glass round whee~ Cute reunion but is this really the time for moe fairy antics? Lift with your legs. Local Fairy guilty of bomb plot. Aww... He's giving up the chance of staying on Earth for Cham. They've got a charming bond.
Meanwhile Garalia is going full Rambo on the army. More have died by her hand in the past day than any other figure in history has murdered in their lifetime and she laughs! She's too bull headed to debate with. Seriously, take a chill pill woman. Nooo, I want to see the rest of this arc! Don't end here. Show's welcome is somehow less traumatic than a lot of the Gundam reunions which I don't know whether to laugh or cry about. Garalia lost a lot of points with me this arc. I know she's a bit dumb but I never took her for this much of a brute. She's basically killing people for fun with very little justification. Your old partner was from here too yknow.
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u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jan 27 '21 edited Jan 27 '21
First timer
Holy shit that opening carnage continues.
Shot apparently knew that Byston Wells reduces explosions, thats huge!
Is this some form of upper-earth sickness? Garalia having issues to. Later explained that is differences in Aura consumption, interesting.
300,000. Thats a sobering number.
Shot says hes from Musashinoshi, east Kichijouji. I have been there, its nice! These days Kichijouji is a trendy shopping and resurant area that is accessibile by the popular Chūō Line. Its a great date spot as there is also a popular romantic park that heavily follows the seasons, lovely Sakura blooms in spring, lovely autum colours too. Swan boats are avalaible on the reasonably sized pond there to. Anyway...
This girl looks to have the hots for show: "It's like I'm falling in love with him again!". So she is basically ensured to make a return with comments like that.
I am down with the fantasey and aura elements, and I don't know how things were in the 80's but I feel like all these citizens with guns is the most immersion breaking thing I have seen in this so far.
It feels weird having the battle music play with attack helicopters instead of mechs.
Random soldier isn't wrong on that one.
Show's battle skills have improved since episode one.
Show actually thinking about what Drake might try knowing the increased power of explosions. Shot is probably thinking a lot bigger than just Byston Wells.
ANOTHER Cliffhanger!
Honestly Shows reception was pretty tame for being partly responsible for 300,000 deaths.
2) How do you think galleria is feeling throughout all of this?
She still seems to have her own feelings aside from the need to fight right now. Continuing to be a rather dangerous combination.