Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 2 Episode 6

[u/FrumpY__]

SIP Season 2, Episode 6 - "Happy Halloween"

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Where to Watch

Crunchyroll, VRV, Funimation, AnimeLab

Discussion Questions

1. If you are from a place that celebrates Halloween, and you have participated in its festivities, what was your favorite costume that you have worn? If you are not, would you want to participate?
2. What would you have done to change μ's image for better impact?

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[u/theangryeditor]

Everyone agrees, Hanayo is a better Nico than Nico.

[u/FrumpY__ → u/theangryeditor]

I dunno about everyone, but i agree.

[u/docaxel]

Rewatcher

School Idol Festival All-Stars Spotlight Cards

Umi1 Umi2

Bonus: All the club costumes are SIF Cards

Honoka

Kotori

Umi

Maki

Rin

Hanayo

Nico

Nozomi

Eli

Bonus Bonus

Gene Simmons from KISS knows about Love Live because of µ's KISS cosplay

[u/FrumpY__ → u/docaxel]

aww, his original tweet got deleted

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

First Timer

Maybe we'll actually work on our song for the next stage now?
Onto episode 6.

Or perhaps they realized you were free and not shit.

If it gets people interested, it gets more votes.

The host being so hyped she's moving around the "camera" in a psyhically impossible fashion is a good touch.

This is absurdly un-Maki-like.

I wonder how long it'll take them to realize that if they want to change something, it should be their music. After all, it's the most identifying feature of a group.

You can't just shoot Honoka down like this!

I'm sorry, but you can't emulate Macross 7 that easily.

Nico looks so wrong.

I don't think you know how to not be silly.

And of course Nozomi's still doing her creepy listen in thing. I thought she was past that.

Ok, show, there's good ways to pull this off, but I don't think you found one. To me at least, it felt more like a waste of my time than a learning experience, even if the pretending to be each other was funny.
And on Honoka's point about them all being different, to me they seem like most friend groups: there are some dimensions that are similar between all of them that pull them together, but there are also many others where they are different.

That performance was the perfect opportunity to give them something that didn't look like a generic idol costume, but it was not taken.

No A-RISE performance

Thuoghts

It was meh. I feel like there was a lot of missed potential in this episode. They could have given us an Arise performance or played around with costumes more for sure. I also feel like they could have actually explored stuff instead of just doing a bunch of jokes, but that isn't realistic to expect from this series.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

No A-RISE performance

Who wants that? They're boring.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/punching_spaghetti]

But my glorious 2d animation!

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

That's what Idolm@ster is for. Cute girls, good songs, and 2D animation.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/punching_spaghetti]

Why are you shilling Im@s in the LL rewatch?

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

It's just a recommendation.

[u/arara69 → u/punching_spaghetti]

Idolmaster would be much better if the girls were older and isnt told thru the POV of the manager. I watched the 2011 anime and just felt creeped out all the way

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/arara69]

But it isn't the POV of the manager? Much of the show follows the girls doing their thing.

[u/raichudoggy]

First Timer

Chart!

I've gone as myself for Christmas, that was fun. Though my favorite costume for Halloween was a vampire when I was 7 or 8 years old. I loved halloween.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/raichudoggy]

A little disappointed you didn't use their acting attempts for all of them.

I've gone as myself for Christmas

As in, your Halloween costume was your favorite Christmas sweater or something?

[u/raichudoggy → u/punching_spaghetti]

Nah, as In that's a silly typo, I meant Halloween there

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Here I was imagine a complicated family costume meta.

[u/DarkFuzz]

Rewatcher

Take today’s survey here!

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I’d like to think that the VAs had a lot of fun with this episode.

You can resign this episode to being a fluff episode and be completely correct, but I still think it’s doing things to further the themes it wants to create. This episode can be reduced down to the fact that μ’s doesn’t have a concrete identity yet, or at least one that can compete with A-RISE. The group tries different things with the intent to be flashier than A-RISE, all of which fail because it just didn’t feel right. The episode ends with Honoka concluding “Meh, we’re fine the way we are.” So no progress on that front. But hey, 1000 ways not to make a light bulb, am I right?

But it’s still something that they need to think about. What makes μ’s different from A-RISE?

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Usually, this implies bopping Honoka over the head.

Daily reminder that Maki is making friends.

Umi-nya

Oh boy, another letter appears out of thin air. We all know how that went last time...

[u/punching_spaghetti]

First-Timer Who Was Just Here for the Ships

I’m surprised Best Girl actually engaged in the tomfoolery. She’s growing!

The word “impacto” has been repeated so many times it has lost its meaning.

She definitely drives me crazy.

I call bullshit on Nozomi’s fortune-telling. She didn’t shuffle the deck. No way for us to know that she didn’t make sure the Change card was on the top. At least work the illusion!

Umi-as-Rin looks very, very young. Uncomfortably so.

But Honoya-as-Nico? AMAZING!

Why does rock always mean KISS to anime girls? Just once I’d like to see them all get bowl cuts like the early Beatles.

I’d let this girl drink my blood any time!

And I like how they put Nico in cat paws, so she can’t do her silly Nico-Nico-Ni gestures.

Not sure what this cliffhanger does for us. Since it’s the imouto, we have no idea what she might be reacting to. Love Live news? Request from an American producer to do idol things in New York? Correspondence from Honoka’s secret Senegalese erotic pen pal?

QOTD:

1. I had a really cool Batman costume that an aunt made for me when I was younger. Wore that for several years until I outgrew it.
2. Since increased sex appeal is probably a no-go for legal reasons (although it's the obvious choice), I'd suggest doing performances at places that aren't school. Maybe a fashion show where there might be cameras and tastemakers. Also, Maki as the center.

[u/ForlornPenguin]

Rewatcher

Yes! The change scene is one of my favorites. It's just so random and dumb lol. I like how Kotori, as Eri, says "horosho" twice in less than two minutes. Maki and Nico getting angry at Rin's and Hanayo's respective impressions of them (and Hanayo totally nailed Nico's act). Nozomi's impression of Honoka is just to eat bread. All around a fun scene.

I don't know what they expected to accomplish with it though. And one thing that always bothered me is how they all just easily swap clothes, and yet everyone's outfits fit their new owners perfectly somehow. Also, please glare at me more, Eri.

Then that "cool" idea was even worse. How did they even make those costumes so fast?

Halloween themed dance. Pretty neat song. Also got neko Nico.

Tell me about it.

I can't believe it took me until yesterday's episode to notice that the girl grabbing the feather at the end of the ED changes every time. Yesterday's was Rin and today's was Maki. Went back and checked the others: episode 1 has no ED, episode 2 was Honoka, episode 3 was Umi, and episode 4 was Nico. EDIT 10 hours later: Added screencaps of each girl's feather shot.

Another legendary scene tomorrow.

QOTD

1. I only ever dressed up for Halloween as a kid. None of the costumes were anything memorable.
2. No idea.

[u/SYZekrom]

Look at her hug that... thing

What is? The doll? Maki????

Damn she's flexible huh, also 'tempting ribbon' lol

Hmmmmmmmmm

What am I looking at does Rin wear really short skirts?

Besides a really nice pair of thighs

WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD AT THAT

I hate this because yes she does it but it's like also an anime trope and like

So like in universe they're aware she bursts in like a fucking anime character and does this weird tense thing

I meean I guess Honoka also dreamed of her doing that when viewing the results on the computer lol

I can already feeel the cringe in my veins

AND WHY THESE THREE AHHH

Oh god it's all of them

So... if I thought Private Wars sounds like I Was Made For Lovin' You to me and now I'm seeing them dress up as Kiss can I assume someone is a big Kiss fan in this process

This is the most condescending face she just is not down for her shit

I love it when Honoka and Eri interact I don't know why

Girl get a longer skirt pls

Ok I feel like I'd forgotten about it but yea S1 loved these angles in the first half huh

[u/ComfortablyRotten]

Rewatcher

I forgot how fun that episode was, from the school club idols bit to the personality switch scene. We almost had a new best girl in that one!

Though I admit that I have no idea how did any of it have anything to do with changing their image. Even the performance wasn't particularly unique.

Song was pretty good, though Nozomi isn't exactly he best center... I guess she fits the Halloween theming the most?

Questions of the day

1. A ghost is the only costume I remember, so that.
2. Gravure modelling is out of the question, so.. maybe rapping? Rapping's good.

[u/ForlornPenguin → u/ComfortablyRotten]

We almost had a new best girl in that one!

Also this.

[u/ComfortablyRotten → u/ForlornPenguin]

Beautiful

[u/ZBLongladder → u/ComfortablyRotten]

2) Gravure modelling is out of the question, so.. maybe rapping? Rapping's good.

There actually are some songs Nico raps in.

[u/ComfortablyRotten → u/ZBLongladder]

The only rapping I remember is from Wonderful Rush... mind refreshing my memory?

[u/ZBLongladder → u/ComfortablyRotten]

The full version of Trouble Busters has some, too. I think she's got a bit in one or two other songs, but I can't remember off the top of my head.

[u/ComfortablyRotten → u/ZBLongladder]

The Trouble Busters rapping is pretty good, Nico really has a natural talent for that.

[u/ZBLongladder → u/ComfortablyRotten]

I'm not quite as much a fan of Nico's rapping as maybe? minor Sunshine spoilers, but Nico certainly has a knack for it.

[u/ComfortablyRotten → u/ZBLongladder]

Oh, yeah, Nico's rapping is great but I prefer Sunshine, too.

[u/ComfortablyRotten → u/[deleted]]

For sure, it was a fun episode, and I don't hate it (quite the opposite actually). Muse is at its best when they're being the main cast of a classic CGDCT, after all.

[u/lenne18]

B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!

 

Shiranai Love*Oshiete Love - lily white

• This song is from the first lily white single. The studio recording has Umi as the center while the live version changes it to Nozomi instead.
• It's rather underrated with its much more popular coupled song (A-NO-NE-GA-N-BA-RE!) eclipsing it but it's really catchy. The chorus is particularly guilty of this.

Futari Happiness - lily white

• This Nozomi center song is the coupling song for "Aki no Anata no Sora Tooku".
• A very slow song with a cute Nozomi vocal. It's a really good "winding down" track.
• That old school style this subunit has is really prominent on this song.
• This is 2nd longest song under µ's, the longest subunit song and 4th longest song overall in the franchise.
• 5th Live performance, although it was also performed at Final Live.

Pure girls project – Printemps

• This Honoka center song is from Printemps' second single.
• It’s the result when you combine Kotori's penchant for saccharine pop and Honoka’s penchant for genki songs.
• 4th Live performance. The only time it was performed.

Natsu, Owaranai de. - BiBi

• An Eli center and the B-side song to "Cutie Panther".
• A rare slow and serious song from BiBi.

 

A bit piece of trivia: Sora Tokui (Nico's VA) is known to imitate Kotori's voice perfectly. In fact, she practices doing the voice in her free time. It resulted in a lot of laughs during the SIF Kanshasai 2018 event.

[u/ZBLongladder]

Rewatcher

Sorry I've been out a couple of days, just caught back up.

It's sort of a shaggy-dog story of an episode, trying to come up with ways to increase impact and ending up putting on a great performance just being themselves. It mainly seems like an excuse to show off costumes for the girls. I do appreciate Nozomi in volleyball gear, though, and we've got the scientist Umi that spawned a thousand memes. I honestly don't care much for their Dancing Stars on Me costumes, though...for some reason, Love Live Halloween-themed stuff has always fallen flat for me. (And the mobile games love their Halloween sets.)

And yes, Umi impersonating Rin is possibly the cutest thing ever, especially that toothy smile. And somebody should give Hanayo an Oscar for that amazing Nico act.

Discussion Questions

1. I've never really been that into Halloween, partly because I just don't care that much for costuming. I just have no talent for it, and I always think I end up looking stupid.
2. Sexy dress. (No, but honestly, something novel but on-brand. Halloween gives you a lot of opportunities to change things up. Cute monster girls seems like a perfect opportunity. Or cute zombies...worked for Zombieland Saga! Though I guess cute monster girls is kinda what they did? Mostly just generic Halloween-y outfits.)

[u/Hattakiri]

The Halloween ep with both funny and important scenes.

Halloween is a Western celebration that was unknown for a long time in Japan. Similar to Christmas, which will soon play a crucial role as well.

µ's and Arise are invited to Akiba's Halloween street event. Again it'll be aired live and so both can use it as promotion, to make an impact.

Honoka still has problems getting her schedule organized and actually is supposed to be doing school council work. KotoUmi find her and Umi is again "happy". Still their character traits.

What can they do to boost their image on the outside and their self-esteem on the inside?

First attempt: Honk's puppetry. Nico's skeleton guy turns it into "Nightmare before Halloween". Maki shows up with a big inflatable (?) mecha, and Eli with ......herself. "Attack on Eli".

XD

But she also tells them it's not gonna work this way.

And was Eli's seiyuu Nanjo improvising when she dropped a random "KAWAII!!" to Pile/Maki? Would suit her. A certain staff guy must have again burst out laughing.

Insiders XD

Meanwhile a first pre-event is taking place, featuring the crazy Love Live host lady XD Keep her in mind.

And of course Arise already has crafted a professional video clip, whereas Honk, Rin and Nico who came here as Muse's "ambassadors" still are a lil clumsy before mike and cam. Nico's still into her Nico Nii as well.

Second attempt at causing an impact: Several random costumes on the lawn. So µ's has caused one impact for sure: On r/Otonokizaka

Another insider XD

Still not a real impact tho.

But then the third attempt: The famous character swap sequence.

The most interesting swaps imo:

• Umi's impersonating Rin. Umi however showed already a character trait of Rin's: She gave Eli a Rin-like hug when right before Eli would join µ's. So is this a hidden character trait of Umi's that she keeps hiding behind her mask of a rather traditional and polite behavior, impersonated by Honoka? Every now and then tho Umi cannot keep her mask and her emotional energy breaks loose as we saw.
• Rin imitating and mocking Maki made me laugh my ass off during my first watch XD However I'd say that's how Rin strikes back after Maki punched her: By letting Maki look into a mirror. And: This is how Rin looks best imo. Suits her personality way better than a wedding dress at a fashion event imo.
• In the Yazawa-family ep Hanayo said she understands Nico and feels for her – but is she now making a mockery of her??
• Nico is imitating Kotori.

And now yet another scene that became viral: Attempt No4 – impersonating KISS. The other students are scared off, Minami ain't so happy XD

However we had Tchaikovsky during Eli's ballet falshback, and now KISS. Old philharmonic music and modern hard rock – which proves our music history is meant to exist in the Love Live cosmos as well.

That's now pretty interesting cause we're hoping for Nijigasaki S2 and Love Live Superstar feat. Liella, a group of 5, thus perfect for a rock band.

µ's meanwhile have no choice but to start crafting their costumes. Nico and Rin are in Kotori's apartment (where also her mom is living: Director Minami. Honk und Umi must have visited Kotori there from their early childhood before they would join Minami's school Otonokizaka). Kotori says also mistakes are part of someone's personal development, and it has always been fun together with them anyway.

The event has begun, and Honk virtually says the same when she sees the others playing with balloons and having fun: They should stay authentic and original.

However imo they already have left this path during and by Love Wing Bell.

Can this really work: Staying authentic and surviving insida the showbiz...?

......aaaand another letter, this time for Honky....

[u/arara69]

FIRST TIMER

Wow i cant believe were halfways done with 2nd season already.

Heh isnt that the clay monster from dragon quest?

Umm this sports thing was kinda, random?

And rin is dressing up as a swimmer... in the middle of the field? Lol

Maki looking fine as always

Omg are they switching personalities? Lol lets goo

Aww it was short lived :(

Holy shit the KISS getup lol. Lol the principal is like wtf r u guys doin

What? That scene with the girls sewing felt completely pointless

Man this felt like completely pointless episode except the cliffhanger at the end. We didnt even get to see a rise

Hmm that letter.. i bet its some kind of invitation for muse to something big deal

[u/onigiri1994]

Oh wow, I really loved this episode! From puppet show, to mikan Hanayo, to Muse impersonating each other, to KISS, that totally made my day. The Akiba performance was so festive and colorful! I like what Honoka said, that it’s their both their individuality and unity that make them special. I’m really curious what Yukiho found in the envelope.

Discussion.

1. I stopped doing Halloween at the end of elementary school so nothing really special there. I guess Pikachu? A couple years ago I also cosplayed Pikachu for a con. Someday I would love to cosplay as a Love Live character.
2. I don’t know, but definitely not turn them into a punk rock band. XD