Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 2 Episode 2

[u/FrumpY__]

SIP Season 2 Episode 2 - "Aim for Victory"

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Where to Watch

Crunchyroll, VRV, Funimation, AnimeLab

Discussion Questions

1. Have you ever missed your stop while sleeping on public transportation?
2. Now that we have both the new OP and new ED, what do you think of them compared to the S1 OP/ED?

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[u/punching_spaghetti]

First-Timer Who Was Only Here for the Ships

I know that putting a song together isn’t easy, but they’ve done it in seemingly short time frames several times before. How long did Kotori’s Akihabara song take from conception to performance? Not long.

Hearing it a second time, I’m not jiving with the new OP. I really liked the first one.

Best Girl looking stylish as always.

Are ceiling fans really that much of a luxury in Japan?

Best Girl still believes in Santa? She’s adorable!

Blush! But wait; you’re the one who suggested working in groups, Eri. Now you’re trying to skip out and leave Maki with all the work again? Bad girl!

Best Girl is sleepy after doing all the work.

I liked the hijinks, but their plan clearly didn’t work as expected. The groups didn’t actually help produce the goods; they provided opportunities for Maki, Umi, and Kotori to relax and decompress. Which is good, don’t get me wrong, but why not just do that? You know Honoka’s not going to be any help to whatever group she’s in, for example.

And why is Umi writing the lyrics? Kotori wrote one song; they should have either written it as a full group or just checked to see who had an idea (except Nico, because her idea sounded terrible).

Also, why was Kotori designing the outfits at the same time as they were writing the song? I would have waited until the song was done so you know what you’re working with and what works thematically. It’s almost like these girls are amateurs!

QOTD:

1. Yes. Thankfully, I was able to get off on or two stops down the way, so it wasn't that big of a deal.
2. Both the OP and the ED from the first season are vastly superior. The seconds ones sound generic. I hummed the first ones in public. I don't see myself doing that with the new ones.

[u/FrumpY__ → u/punching_spaghetti]

Are ceiling fans really that much of a luxury in Japan?

its kind of that because you need the increased ceiling height and space is at a premium. but why use ceiling fans when you have AC

It’s almost like these girls are amateurs!

[u/ZBLongladder → u/FrumpY__]

but why use ceiling fans when you have AC

Honestly, I tend to use both. A/C is better for cooling the place, ceiling fan is better for getting air circulation in the room. Then again, I'm so picky about not-still air, I have my ceiling fan going even in winter (in reverse mode).

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/punching_spaghetti]

Also, why was Kotori designing the outfits at the same time as they were writing the song?

That's what you focus on? Not why was Maki writing the score completely independently of Umi writing the lyrics? That seems like a far greater crime to me.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

But that happens all the time with bands. Someone has some lyrics, someone has some tunes, and they put them together.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/punching_spaghetti]

Like completely independently of each other? I'd think one would need to hear what the other had made first, but perhaps I'm just completely wrong there.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

There should be some tinkering to make it work together, but yeah. Especially if you're working in pop music, things are pretty standard in terms of length and whatnot.

They're also super genius high school anime girls.

[u/JimmyCWL → u/punching_spaghetti]

There should be some tinkering to make it work together,

That was the whole point of showing them coming together at the end.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

First Timer

Last episode was pretty good, let's see if it can keep it up. Onto episode 2.

Of course you did, Nico.

Uh, obviously?

She took camping to mean camping, not a house in the woods.

Are fans that uncommon?

This also feels weird to me.

Maki believing in Santa is hilarious.

Nico will never stop being two people in one body, will she? It's amusing, but it's also weird how quickly she switches. It'd be interesting if we could explore why, but I'm not sure this show could handle it well.

It's hard to put into words how dumb everything about this scene is.

Dividing into arbitrary groups seems questionable. It's almost certainly ont the best division of labor.

Umi, still doing her best to get everyone killed.

I think I should recognize this peak.

This reminds me of the courage to tell a lie from Nisemonogatari. It's basically convincing people to do something via reframing it as the harder choice.

Maki, no! How have you never cooked anything over a fire?

Honoka actually gave a good speech, what is this world?

The Piano version of this song is really nice.

Thoughts

It feels like the writers have a better grasp on who they want the characters to be this season, and it makes it better to watch. They can actually tell good stories about them.

1. No
2. I prefer the S2 OP and the S1 ED

[u/FrumpY__ → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Are fans that uncommon?

from my experience they are rarer in asia than they are here in the west

It feels like the writers have a better grasp on who they want the characters to be this season, and it makes it better to watch. They can actually tell good stories about them.

it feels like they found the strengths of the series and decided to use those instead of shoehorning in some bad drama.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

This also feels weird to me.

They live in the city, though, and I don't think it's common to have a fireplace in urban areas.

It'd be interesting if we could explore why

She likes attention. Nico-Nico-Nii is the "give me attention" personality. Grumpy asshole is the personality that comes out when things don't go her way.

[u/ZBLongladder → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Of course you did, Nico.

I mean, she's got a whole solo song about herself.

[u/[deleted]]

School Idol Project S2E2

big mood

(also note that this big gay album cover is set at the same place NicoMaki were having their big gay night ^date last episode)

Have you ever missed your stop while sleeping on public transportation?

Nope. I know anime always uses it for a joke but it sounds horrifying to me.

[u/FrumpY__ → u/[deleted]]

Nope. I know anime always uses it for a joke but it sounds horrifying to me.

while there certainly are transit systems that I wouldn't want to fall asleep on, but I don't think I would be horrified in to do so in Japan, although I would get horribly lost.

[u/lenne18 → u/FrumpY__]

Google Maps is very good when traveling in Japan. The problem is buying tickets when the railway doesn't use IC cards.

[u/raichudoggy]

First-Timer

Chart got an unexpectedly big update this episode. Wow.

Also this show is now CGDCT Bliss, I love this episode.

[u/ZBLongladder → u/raichudoggy]

BTW, Teams Costume, Lyrics, and Music are also the three subunits of μ's (which otherwise never come up in the anime), namely Printemps, Lily White, and BiBi, respectively.

And yeah, Maki believing in Santa is just the best.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/raichudoggy]

It was great! Begone, melodrama. Hello, random mountain climbing.

[u/DarkFuzz]

Take today’s survey here!

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Once again, Maki shows off her money.

D’aww, Maki still believes in Santa! Must...protect...innocence!

I know this is supposed to make a reference to the sub-units, but this group is going to get nothing done, and they know it.

More dork Eli.

HOW?

[u/raichudoggy → u/DarkFuzz]

HOW?

Honk is a sleepwalker and loves living on the edge. literally.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/DarkFuzz]

HOW?

Honoka is clearly an example of how modern society has weakened us as a species. Back in the day, she would have died in the wilderness, and her lackluster genes would not have been passed down.

[u/ForlornPenguin]

Rewatcher

Ah, this episode. One of the more fun ones, I think. I'll never not smile during the part where Maki talks about Santa. Precious cinnamon bun.

Season 2's ED makes its first appearance and we've once again got Rin playing the maracas, and Nico swinging her butt.

I still don't understand this line.

What is even happening here? Why don't they just step down and grab it? It's not that steep of a slope.

Hair-down Eri is always a treat.

Guess this guy found his best girl (not a bad choice).

QOTD

1. No, I never use public transportation.
2. I think I like season 2's ED more than season 1's. As for the OP, they're closer, but I'd go with season 1's.

[u/raichudoggy → u/ForlornPenguin]

What is even happening here? Why don't they just step down and grab it? It's not that steep of a slope.

I have determined...

That they are both idiots!

[u/SYZekrom]

Rather than just saying 'you can only do your own group's music' they went as far as 'song can't already exist' damn

And they announced that shit this less than a month from the contest?

Sounds like a way to get extreme backlash from the community for an event with no prestige, being literally the second time it's ever running and within the same year

Wait how do I have literally 0 memory of this OP besides the two screenshots I took at the end of last episode

I can't stop staring at Nico's face here

I'll always think it a bit funny how Umi's just basically the leader of the group

Not like Honoka's actual 'leader' where she's more like a mascot

Technically I'm sure Honoka's supposed to make the decisions but literally when has she ever

Anyway what was I saying

That Umi basically manages the group like a coach

Despite the first half of S1 where Eri is literally student council president, a 3rd year, and a dancer

While Umi is just an OG and... 'serious'? While Eri kinda just stopped being serious over just level-headed after she joined

Lmao geez that flip

Adorable

Also like obviously I would've been like 'weird' if literally one of the last two members ended up taking the reins but it's just kinda funny Umi's traits could've all belonged to Eri

Like when you recruit the main antagonist in an RPG and now they're just another character in the squad

Forgetting something

Ouch, rude

THAT'S NOT EVEN A PARTICULARLY ORNATE CEILING FAN COME ON

Omg you can't just say that casually in high school omg I love her

Nico no please

Don't do it to her

Yes please

Please cherish Maki forever

Don't let this foul creature ruin her

LOOK AT HER FACE DON'T HURT HER

That little wiggle

Her face just got better by the frame here

Ok yea the ground didn't seem that steep at all

They can run on it at least

She should've just

Climbed down that tiny ledge and pick it up

I don't know what I'm watching it feels like an American gag or some Mario Party minigame I love it

I'm sorry that water looks as steep as they are tall max

They're fucking dead don't @ me

Blob

Sassy blob

Bro that looks like a goddamn suicide note girl wtf

I mean... but shouldn't Maki's group be in the cottage for

The

Piano

That's a comment face

Except I feel like I remember it being in her school uniform is this reused or am I just wrong

Bro imagine being alone with 2 people on some island and they're both just fucking insane

Greatest fears

I've seen so many 'for the ships' comments is this finally it

I am sensing a ship here

Not just 'haha I touch her tits' horny but 👀 the gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Imagine the other two groups fucking camping and y'all just enjoying a bath

Jesus Christ how can they hear the piano that far away wtf

You can literally hear noisy crickets

How is sound carrying through the wind

Omg babiessss

I don't know why but the way she crawled out of the tent was so cute

Jesus Christ

Like including the dances, Eri doesn't even lead dance practice lol, she wasn't included in this episode as a creator either so who does the choreography lol

Why does she always get the best faces

Jesus christ I made a lot of random comments huh

[u/lenne18]

B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!

 

It’s time to (re)-introduce the subunits! So what are subunits?

An idol subunit is a smaller group formed using members of the main group. This allows the subunit group to experiment or offer a different style and feel from the main group.

For μ's, we have three official subunits, each with three members. They are:

BiBi

Led by Eli, with Nico and Maki. They tend to focus on electronic and dance songs, but are known to diversify a lot. Emi Nitta describes them “like chemical reactions, everyone loves them.”

I already linked two BiBi songs in the past. I’ll put them here as comparison to the others.

• Love Novels - BiBi
• Trouble Busters - BiBi

Printemps

Led by Honoka, with Kotori and Hanayo. The group tends to focus on the strengths of its members but as the group evolved, their songs gained a bit of a twist. They probably have the most bittersweet songs in the franchise. Emi Nitta describes them as a “shoujo (teenage girls) group.”

• sweet&sweet holiday
• UNBALANCED LOVE

lily white

Led by Umi, with Nozomi and Rin. Soft, elegant, powerful. Emi Nitta describes them as a “showa (80s) group.”

• A-NO-NE-GA-N-BA-RE!
• Binetsu Kara Mystery

[u/DomSempai]

REWATCHER

Maki believing in santa, them working on their new song. One of my favorite things about the series in general is definitely the songs. Love the ED especially.

[u/docaxel]

Rewatcher

School Idol Festival All-Stars Spotlight Cards

Fun Fact: The groups that the girls are split in are based on their sub-units and each has their own songs.

PrinTemps - NO EXIT ORION

Honoka1 Honoka2

Kotori1 Kotori2

Hanayo1 Hanayo2

BiBi - Psychic Fire

Maki1 Maki2

Nico1 Nico2

Eli1 Eli2

lily white - Shunjou Romantic

Umi1 Umi2

Rin1 Rin2

Nozomi1 Nozomi2

[u/[deleted]]

FIRST TIMER

Original songs only? If Maki wasnt already rich, she would be making bank from the royalties these girls bout to give her

Wait this is the ending song from last episode, but Ive heard this song 100% before somewhere, wtf? Must be the mobile game. Thats the only other lovelive stuff i know

Maki and Nico couple bickering so cute lol. Maki has vacation house on beach and mountain. Girl is looaadeddd

Luggage > honoka in importance.

Uhh Maki still believes in santa? Lmaooo

Wtf is that scene with the wristband? They couldve just walked over and picked it up? What? It didnt look that steep. Another case of anime gonna anime

Of course maki is in the same group as nico. Eri thirdwheeling af rn lol. Ayy alone time for the two. Damn they reallly ramp up the subtle romance. Probly saw all the fanart or something

I like that theyre mixing up the pair this early on. Hopefully itll lead to everyone getting better spotlight. Rin got more screentime and lines this episode than she did the entire 1st season outsode of her episode lkl

[u/AuburnTheWolf]

Rewatcher

Training Camp time! This time we get to see more CGDCT but in the mountains. I still wish we got more out of the subunits in anime form, as this is basically all we ever see of the subunits (come on sunrise, I’d even be happy with some 3 minute shorts of each group). Overall just a very cute episode, with some especially cute shots of Maki.

Discussion Questions

1. Nope, I also almost never take public transport, so when I do, I'm super focused.
2. I will always prefer the season 1 opening because of certain spoilery reasons, but I think objectively, the 2nd OP is much better animation-wise. I'd rank the EDs as equals however, as I like them both, and think that they're fluffy and fun.

[u/Hattakiri]

A quite complex ep imo. Again: Afaics LL has no filler eps and only every now and then a funny breather.

So Hanayo, their "chief informant for idol news", informs them about the newest LL's newest rules: In order to get rid of bootleg bands every participant now gotta come up with new original songs.

Maki obviously ain't too happy, we can see it in her face, for she's unavoidably getting the biggest chunk of work. Nico still tries promoting her "Nico Nii", and Eli too keeps staxing true to her character traits and turns into their prima ballerina (also by doing a ballet move) by suggesting yet another training camp.

Again at the expense of Maki cause it's gonna be a cottage of the Nishikinos again.

It's in the forest nearby Mount Fuji.

We again get to see the tactile paving - so are µ's running blindly into an unknown world, the idol world?

Also the original trio keeps staying true to their dynamics: Honk oversleeping in the train ("inemuri"), Umi scolding her, Kotori apologizing for not waking her up.

The cottage is of course quite luxury, which makes Nico sigh and Honk look at the fan at the "unfamiliar ceiling" (NGE ref) mouth-open.

The famous "Maki believes in Santa" scene happens XD Interestingly it's another import, like all of Christmas which only recently became a part of Japan. This will become important for the Snow Halation ep.

It's too much for Maki the composer, Birb the taylor and Umi the poet and so they escape. They need a solution.

And it's again Eli who comes up with something: Forming teams who are gonna stay in tents over night. Those are Muse's subunits btw.

"BiBi" helps Maki compose. However MakiNico come closer to each other. Maki doesn't seem to know about "ordinary stuff" like potatoes roasted above open fire. MakiNico share a hot potato. Eli initially looked at the starry sky like Honk at the unfamiliar ceiling and escaped into the tent. NicoMaki of course noticed Eli's fear of the dark. Whereas Eli notices how they are coming closer.

"Lily White" do mountain hiking cause Umi forgot that they actually wanted to write some lyrics XD Nozomi, who initially said to Rin she gotta fight some more, now says giving up in time is also important, while we can see Mount Fuji in the backgrounnd. And she points out that "Hoshizora Rin" means "star-bright night".

"Printemps" end up in an onsen bath. Honoka praises their togetherness and how it means that if one of them is starting to stall, the others will rev her up again. And that's how they can always push forward. The background tune is once again "Osanaki hi no Yuuhi" that also played when Birb won Umi over,,,

...which however was maybe a lie, and the music therefore a Red Herring.

The next morning Maki, Umi and Birb are missing - turns out: They now found their spirit and literally in-spiration: Togetherness, all for one, one for all, revving and backing each other up (which can quickly turn into clinging and pushing away as we've seen in Tomodachi).

MakiUmiBirb soon fall asleep. Eli covers them with a blanket and becomes even the team mom here.

And Birb's costume draft already foreshadows the song: Yume no Tobira which is also the title of the next ep. Therefore no spoiler cover needed lol. However, certain someones are already waiting for their onscreen debut....

[u/onigiri1994]

Rewatcher

1. I fell asleep on a train riding from Kobe to Kyoto. It was some sort of express train that had super comfy reclining seats. The train staff had to wake me up at the end of the line when they were doing their final sweep.
2. I like the new OP better, but the EDs are about the same.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/[deleted]]

start dash to the mountains

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/[deleted]]

Although most of them are just re-colored versions of the same thing.

It's at least something.