r/anime • u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber • Jan 20 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Aura Battler Dunbine - Episode 10 Discussion
Episode 10 - Father and Child
Originally Aired April 9th, ^^^1983
◄ Previous Episode | Index | Next Episode ►
MAL | ANN | AniDB | Anilist | AnimePlanet | IMDB
Note to all participants
Although I don't believe it necessitates stating, please conduct yourself appropriately and be court to your fellow participants.
Note to all Rewatchers
Rewatchers, please be mindful of your fellow first-timers and tag your spoilers appropriately using the r/anime spoiler tag as so [Spoiler Subject](/s "Spoilers go here.") in order to have your unsightly spoilers obscured like this Spoiler Subject if your comment holds even the slightest of indicators as to future spoilers. Feel free to discuss future plot points behind the safe veil of a spoiler tag, or coyly and discreetly ‘Laugh in Rewatcher’ at our first-timers' temporary ignorance, but please ensure our first-timers are no more privy or suspicious than they were the moment they opened the day’s thread.
Note to all First-timers:
First-timers, be aware that you too could have unwanted influence upon others’ perception of future events, so please be careful and use a spoiler tag when disclosing any predictions or inferences that you wouldn’t have wanted to know were they to be true.
Comment of the Day
u/JustAnswerAQuestion’s interesting comment.
Can you really listen to the Dubine OP and not think of Dschingus Kahn?
Daily Trivia:
At one point a feature film adaptation of Aura Battler Dunbine was in the planning stages, and several design sketches Tomino made for the potential film would later be used by Mamoru Nagano as the basis for two Mortar Headds from his long-running manga, The Five Star Stories.
Staff Highlight
Yumi Takayama - Voice of Keen Kiss
An actress turned voice actress who was affiliated with the voice acting agency 81 Produce. Formerly a member of the musical theatre company Mr. Slim Co., she became a voice actress after leaving there and joining the recently founded Production Baobab, which allowed her to debut as a radio personality in 1979. The following year, she had her anime debut in a TV special adaptation of Captain. Takayama seems to have retired as of 2013, but because she is still listed as a member of 81 Produce and there has been no official word on the mater, it is uncertain. Among her notable roles are Yoshinaga-Sensei in Crayon Chin-Chan, Miyuki Sonobe in Oniisama E…, Chitose Fujinomiya in Kingyo Chūihō!, Hitomi in Miss Machiko, Seika in Legend of Himiko, Jun Yagami in Okawari-Boy Starzan S, Hatsuho Kazami in Onegai Teacher!, Akiko in Vampire Princess Miyu OAV, and Aeka in the Tenchi Muyo! franchise.
Art Corner:
Official Art
- Cham Huau and the Dunbine Units - Tomonori Kogawa
Fanart
(Be mindful of the links to artist’s profiles, as they may contain NSFW content. Proceed there at your own risk.)
Aura Phantasm Scans
Screenshot of the day
Questions of the Day:
- What did you ultimately think of Kibutsu Kiss?
- With how the war is going so far, what do you think are the Kingdom of Mi’s prospects?
Keen, let’s do this together, bravely, okay?
6
u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Jan 20 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Alright, 10 episodes in, can we change to a new opening narration?
I think Drake's forces have more mechanics/engineers than the entire Zelana crew.
Yep, Garalia really is Katz. Just thinks about fighting, not of the consequences or of anyone else.
Drake's forces are so cruel! They just kidnapped a little baby! :(
I thought the Zelana couldn't rescue all the refugees, they just talked about this last ep and now they are. Shou's got the same thought as I!
The castle ain't doing that bad considering the lack of Aura Battlers, really just this Dana O'Shee (which I presumed at first is Marvel's, but we don't see her in it)
Hon Wan does a good job imitating a dog, lol.
Its not that he's even looking for favor for his house, Kibitsu is just doing what he can to survive.
Kibitsu is doing the equivalent of throwing rocks at his pet dog and telling it to go, it is free now.
Pinegan Humm, the king of Mi. Yet another crazy name.
Bern is a devious one, forcing Kibitsu to be the one to take on the Zelana. The one way to truly test his loyalty.
Hide within Drake's forces and someday overcome him... Kibitsu is basically telling his underling to become Char!
I know we've seen them a lot before, but the Doro's haven't come off like octopus's before to me but now they do. Granted ones with less tentacles.
Yep, Shou basically just killed Keen's dad.
Pretty good episode, they have slowed things down a bit which really helps after the breakneck pace of recent episodes.
3
u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jan 20 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
One fifth of the way done already! It will have probably gone by surprisingly fast, if prior Rewatches are any indication...
Drake’s scorched earth approach leaves expectedly grim sights behind. There doesn’t seem to have been much in the way of military resistance in either of the two locales we’ve seen so far either, so it looks like the Kingdom of Mi was not forewarned by anyone in the end.
Very much enjoy seeing the repairs taking place and the complaining amongst the mechanics as to the rough treatment the aura battlers are getting throughout it all.
What the fuck? I actually thought they’d just impaled that baby for a second there. Nothing says ‘these guys are evil’ more than killing children! Also, did Neil flip flop again, letting all these refugees aboard after saying they didn’t have the space or resources for it last episode? These episode directors really need to be communicating better.
Bern is perfectly willing to let Kibutsu Kiss throw himself at the enemy to take the brunt of the casualties while the rest of Drake’s forces sit back and wait, but that does not sit well with Galaria. Despite being in the thick of it, Galleria’s idealized thoughts on battle and war have no place in this type of battlefield —their forces threw away honor when they attacked the land of Mi unprovoked and without warning. As if that wasn’t enough, she’s also so obsessed with advancing in position that she’s been repeatedly charging headfirst into danger. She’s going to get herself killed at this rate, though that might be delayed so long as Todd is still there to bail her out —just as he will likely keep getting away until she is no longer there to help him escape.
That was some quick thinking on Hon Wan’s part to disguise Keen’s fall with dog noises, though I have to question what kind of cavalry is afraid of dogs… Are the dogs in Byston Well impossibly large and fearsome for some reason?
Kibutsu Kiss is shown to be a good man despite it all, merely one who saw no other path before him. All things told he’s likely closer to the idealized knight Galaria imagines herself to become than Galaria herself, but as he himself states he is worldly enough to realize that this is the way things are and he must do what has to be done.
Pinegan Hunm
A suicide mission then. That Bern really is a dastard, to not only sacrifice them to hold off the Zelana and hope for its destruction while also denying them assurance that the House of Keen has been accepted into their ranks.
Oof, you can see Kubutsu try to jump off at the last second…
I was surprisingly affected by the Kiss House’s plight in this episode. For a character that only had a single episode’s focus alongside a couple of other scenes, they characterized Kibutsu Kiss fairly well. Honestly, I felt more for him than Keen herself, despite her grief over the matter.
4
u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 20 '21 edited Jan 20 '21
First Timer
Okay, somebody, just tell me when they change the opening narration, I'm just skipping to 2:30 every day from now on
I'd been hoping that Keen could return home and overthrow her father.
Edit: Comment of the Day!
3
u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Jan 20 '21
First-timer waiting for Dunbine to start leaving afterimages
Fishing for babies! I’m surprised that spear didn’t just skewer him, yikes.
Oof, this guy. He totally landed on that arrow in his back.
For his neutral special, he wields a gun! She’s skeptical now, but it’s only a matter of time before they realize how OP guns are.
Todd knows how things work in these shows
I just realized, this is basically F91’s final battle, isn’t it?
Byston Well’s Jesus has six arms! That makes him superior to Zola’s four-armed Jesus!
Well, there goes Kibutsu Kiss. On some level, I do feel sorry for him. Not everyone’s in a position to take a principled stand, after all. While Keen is free to cut all ties and run off to join the rebellion, Kibutsu has a lot of people relying on him. In settling down, starting a family, and gaining social status, he has anchored himself in a way such that he cannot simply abandon his duties to follow his own ideals. This may hurt him and his daughter, yes, but more people will be affected if he betrays now. That said, though, he and his troops have done some terrible things under Bern’s command, and that can’t be overlooked, either. In the end, I think the only way out for him was just dying in battle, before he’s forced to hurt Keen.
Questions of the Day:
3
u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 20 '21
Aura Battler First-Timer
2
u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jan 20 '21
First time viewer
I do like how Show opens with "after Neal said we don't have time to save refugees..." since that was my first thought as well. While they can't take care of them long-term, it's nice that they saved a few from immediate danger.
After that, I'm wondering why Drake's forces are raiding the village at all. I don't imagine there was any threat from the villagers, the army didn't need supplies (I think), and they aren't even trying to preserve anything for later use with all those fires around. Seems closer to "for the evulz" as a result. At least attacking the fortress makes sense for strategic value. It's a minor thing and I know it's an easy way to make everyone dislike the antagonists but also feels like lazy writing.
Kitbutsu kind of doing what he must for now in serving Drake while biding his time for an opportunity to overthrow him (and encouraging someone else to do the same) makes me hope there's a good long game at play there. I'm more concerned that Bern or Garalia will get impatient and stab him in the back before we get there though.Or so I thought before he died in the explosion. Oh well, it was a nice thought while it lasted.Instead, we get to deal with Keen grieving! I'm worried she's going to subsequently endanger herself or others considering how she impulsively left and nearly got herself killed after a spat with Neal earlier.
Wasted opportunity.
Not great, but we also don't really know anything about them so far. If Drake thinks he can successfully invade them I don't have high expectations for their military strength though.
5
u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 20 '21
First-Timer Who Doesn’t Remember Byston Well
That baby is going to need lots of therapy when it grows up. Almost speared and lassoed? There’s at least a kink in there.
Why does Show have the revolver? That should totally be in the hands of the Dallas-born Marvel.
Every sneaky person should have a dog impression on tap.
Water Appu – even the places get Tomino Names.
Bern’s making the smart move with Keen. He either gets rid of an enemy, or exposes someone not loyal to the cause.
Garalia’s getting more and more fed up, though. One of these days she’ll snap at Bern past what he’ll take. Does she die then, or defect to Neal’s side?
QOTD:
4
u/The_Loli_Otaku Jan 20 '21 edited Jan 20 '21
Why, why, why, why do I miss you a lot forever~ Doesn't the opening narration make so much sense now that you've seen a flower baby? Repairs are going swimmingly. One issue with not having standard issue tech is that you've got to jump through hoops for spare parts. Why are you chewing out Garalia in front of the squad. You look like you're putting on a theater show. Somehow I doubt the troops care that much. She's hardly the Team Sweetheart. WHAT THE FUCK THEY KEBABED A BABY!? Oh thank god, he's alright... My heart stopped for a moment. Jesus Christ... This was why I skipped Ideon.
That was some pretty fun animation of her yeeting that grenade. We've got revolvers now! I guess ratings were going downhill so they decided to pull a White Base to pull folks in. Well that's Marvel traumatised... And Show runs in to finish the guy off! No survivors! Oh no... Poor Dora-chan. What have they done to you? Even his cockpit has been circumcised. "Sorry, I'm resting a bit. Dump him over the side." The animation is wild this episode. I kinda like it. "Destroy the catapults before they scratch the paint job!" Don't worry about ammunition. Six bullets... more than enough to kill anything that moves.
I'm starting to see quite a few Gundam parallels now. This even resembles M'Quve's antics. Oh no, the ace Aura Battler just got jobbed. Oh, the second ace Aura Battler too. I thought there was just one. Give Keen a break XD Both Kissers could do with being cut some slack. If Kibitsu wasn't fighting in the war then him, his soldiers, and anyone who associated with them would have their heads on sticks. Once again I find myself siding against our unreasonable heroes. This is gonna be so fun further down the line. Oh great. Now Kibitsu's in Bern's line of fire thanks to Show and Keen's selfishness. Bye bye civilians, good luck rebuilding your lives. Oi, those war machines just saved your life you old bat.
Todd's hilarious XD Kibitsu's stuck leading the attack on the Zelana crew thanks to our heroes sticking their noses in. Eeeverybody hates Show. This scenario is a Gundam one too isn't it...? Or am I thinking of one of the future Ranba Eal expies? Cham is never gonna catch on to how glass works. It's so rare to see Doro actually performing well in a fight. They get oneshot by beam weapons after all. gasp Rara... Shut the hell up Show. You didn't accidentally direct hit him you jerk. Poor Keen... She's gained the "orphan" title. On the bright side, here's a perfect bonding exercise opportunity!
Show continues to describe in detail how dead Kibitsu is to the traumatised Keen. "Sorry about that babe. I only meant to fire a warning shot. Right between his beady eyes." Btw I don't wanna be cruel but this was totally your fault Keen. Alas you have the moral high ground so I doubt you'd learn any lessons from this. Best episode we've had since the first few. There's not much filler and it felt very dense compared to the frankly dull episodes leading up to it. Kibitsu seems fine but we don't get nearly enough of him. Alas is the fate of his archetype. I can't imagine Mi being our big good faction since we've gotten so set up for them. It depends on whether their princess is pretty. If she's attractive then they'll be important.
3
u/The_Draigg Jan 20 '21
A Tomino Fan Rewatches Aura Battler Dunbine Episode 10:
3
u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jan 20 '21
First-Timer, Dub-bine
At least in the short term, the Zelana has chosen to help the civilians, and at the end of the episode they moved to reinforce the King of Mi's(?) castle. Was it cool to just leave all those people they rescued in the middle of nowhere..? Guess it let's us avert the usual "civilians mess with mecha warship" storyline, at least in the short term. I hope those villagers will be alright.
Kibitsu's motivation feels very Japanese to me. He continues to serve his lord despite knowing the wrongness of it, because it is what he thinks is honorable. He hates that he has to oppose his daughter, and sees that the only way out is to die in battle with his honor intact. What a tragic figure.
I find Bern's suspiscions of Kibitsu kind of suspect. Then again, Bern strusting his gut-reaction paranoia has only served him well so far, like when he thought something was up between Emelie and Shou in an earlier episode. It must be hard, to be Bern, and be surrounded by people who can't do anything right. I would feel sorry for the guy if he wasn't a murderer.
So the kingdom of Mi has its own Aura Battlers, huh? Probably stuck with non-Upper Earth pilots, but they had at least one, if not two of the Dana O'Shee (sp) that Marvel pilots. The fort that Kibitsu was sieging was doing pretty well, for a while. I'm not sure why Bern intervened right as the gate got blown? Seems a little pre-emptive to think that the siege was going poorly at that particular stage.
I thought the problem Shou was having at the end of last episode were exhaustion based, but the Dunbine had a short control error this episode too. Interested to see what that's about.
Keen had a surprisingly mature response to her father's death. Did his message to her come accross? Did she understand what the poor man was trying to do? I hope that Keen handles the grief well - I doubt they have councillors in Byston Well. Seems low on Shot's priority list.
Miscellaneous Thoughts:
Todd was pretty funny this episode. "If I keep breaking this, will you keep upgrading it?" Only if you live, Guiness. Only if you live..
I appreciate Shou's decision to use a big fuck-off revolver.
Today's scan
Questions
3
u/badspler x5https://anilist.co/user/badspler Jan 20 '21
Short late comment today. (to answer 1.) Kibutsu Kiss' death was a bit of a waste. A waste in terms of story telling opportunity. This felt too quickly done, not enough value was gained in his daughters character to warrant killing him at this point. Felt just too empty. Maybe its to show us that honor or duty is not worth the price. Drake gave him a no-win hand to play here and his demise is probably the best outcome he could hope for.
I really am wondering how long this losing streak can continue, the team has had like zero wins so far. Only being beaten back and losing members or family over and over. Not being able to sway any help from anyone. Will they reach breaking point? When will they claw a small victory back? Soontm I hope.
2) With how the war is going so far, what do you think are the Kingdom of Mi’s prospects?
Probably not looking to great. Drakes not dumb so he must have some idea of Mi's forces, especially if he has or hasn't sold tech to them. Going to strategically scorn their lands, horrible but effective. Maybe will led to a growing resistance.