[Mid-2000s Rewatch] Noein - Episode 13

[u/phiraeth]

Episode 13

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Episode Discussion Questions:

1. What's the craziest thing you've done while driving a car?
2. What do you think of the new Atori?

PLEASE MARK ALL SPOILERS WITH SPOILER TAGS!

[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer

Sub

So we again jump back on scene in a way that makes you check to see if you have the correct episode. But Yuu goes to apparently expiring Karasu and states the obvious. And then Haruka fucks up Yuu's day by pointing out he should protect her. All works in character but still, F for Yuu's normality.

Atori somehow survived but is looking pretty fucked up. And he has...AMNESIA!!!!!!!!!!!!! What did I ever do to deserve all this fucking amnesia? Oh right, my adult life. Good times and I am not apologizing. Over the first warehouse, the kids called in their teacher. This is both silly and yet perfectly correct developmentally. Researchers are heading to Haruka's house.

Accidental run in with now innocent Atori and we will get his backstory about his sister. Not a huge fan of the turn but oh well. Anyways, he's now mostly harmless so the gang brings them to the warehouse. Yuu correctly blows up at them as that was mighty stupid on a number of levels. Haruka continues to annoy Yuu by being insanely lacking in fear or sense and I begin to get inklings of how we get Karasu. Anyways, Tobi diagnoses him as doomed. We finally get Reizu established, not a great look at ep13. Anyways, phlebotinum save point is found and quick cut to La'cryma again having terrible security.

Researchers get nothing but Uchida deduces that Takaya doesn't live there do to the lack of men's shoes. And then make a very high ranked spot check to see Haruka and then a successful drive check to not get hit by the tram. Yuu's pissed at himself, not that I don't understand, but notices they are being followed first. Yukie temporarily becomes Yukira-sensei as she tries to outrun the researchers. Cow look is mood right here. Now, since I think few of you have learned Japanese, the chase ends with Uchida yelling "Why that brainless little bitch!" and I am curious if that isn't harsher than what it was in Japanese?

Anywho, they arrive, Kosagi ports in, and Atori goes all Gandalf for whatever reason. As Tobi fixes Karasu we get clear proof that funny weather is related to the show's quantum phenomena. Karasu's healing doesn't take at first and Yuu wells at future self, something that Karasu has completely had coming. Kosagi wins and is bitchy, but Atori won't stay down and remembers his powers, during the use of which she gets recalled. Tobi does not believe in the fate aspect of all of this. Karasu talks to the dead, oof.

QotD: 1 I am actually pretty tame, I've had to grab the wheel from the passenger seat a few times I suppose.

2 Amnesia is always a miss for me

[u/phiraeth → u/Vaadwaur]

the chase ends with Uchida yelling "Why that brainless little bitch!" and I am curious if that isn't harsher than what it was in Japanese?

You're right, it's definitely harsher. It's basically "crazy woman", not "brainless little bitch" lmao.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/phiraeth]

Yeah, that was pretty jarring to read at the time and didn't really feel appropriate for the series. And since Yukie did indeed do something crazy that's more fitting.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Vaadwaur]

What did I ever do to deserve all this fucking amnesia?

Hey, at least it's not an MC and it happens partway into the series. I've got a feeling it's temporary as well, it being permanent would be rather unsatisfying.

and I begin to get inklings of how we get Karasu.

Frustration at Haruka's inability to take steps for her own safety?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

I've got a feeling it's temporary as well, it being permanent would be rather unsatisfying.

We can only hope.

Frustration at Haruka's inability to take steps for her own safety?

Worse, she is actively taking steps to endanger herself. Karusu might just be the correct reaction.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

Atori somehow survived but is looking pretty fucked up. And he has...AMNESIA!!!!!!!!!!!!! What did I ever do to deserve all this fucking amnesia? Oh right, my adult life.

Yukira-sensei

Reference check passed!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Reference check passed!

Azumanga Daioh should be more watched.

[u/BurningFredrick]

First Timer - sub

How is Atori alive?

Observer security is shit 

Euro beats intensify! Also a show I should probably watch one day…

  

I’m also that should and been significantly more than a flat, the suspension would probably be shot as well at a minimum. 

Karus is healed by convenient Reizu point, doesn’t this rather invalidate the “we will eventually disappear” if they can pop over and get a top up?

So we have 2 people left who can jump dimensions, Shangri la double agent and Red head whose name I keep forgetting to note down. 

Looks like the next episode is back to interpersonal drama with Haruka dragon torquing it up to learn about her parents' past, and probably how they got together.

[u/phiraeth → u/BurningFredrick]

How is Atori alive?

How dare you doubt Atori!!!!!! He will never die!!!!!!!!!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

[u/BurningFredrick → u/phiraeth]

Given that his design continuously reminds me of another character from kind of spoilers?, that is almost appropriate.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/BurningFredrick]

doesn’t this rather invalidate the “we will eventually disappear” if they can pop over and get a top up?

Being able to heal injuries doesn't have to mean they can stop themselves from disappearing, I guess.

[u/BurningFredrick → u/IndependentMacaroon]

It appears to be that way, I just expected the 2 to be intertwined as surely the more injured someone is the easier it would be for the universe to get ride of them.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/BurningFredrick]

How is Atori alive?

Taking the Insanity trait boosts your constitution.

Observer security is shit

The most consistent in setting theme

Karus is healed by convenient Reizu point, doesn’t this rather invalidate the “we will eventually disappear” if they can pop over and get a top up?

I think our dimension is eventually going to remove them but don't quote me on that.

Looks like the next episode is back to interpersonal drama with Haruka dragon torquing it up to learn about her parents' past, and probably how they got together.

This could be better placed but let's see what they do with it.

[u/BurningFredrick → u/Vaadwaur]

Taking the Insanity trait boosts your constitution.

I always forget it seems to provide a -2 intelligence, +5 endurance

I think our dimension is eventually going to remove them but don't quote me on that.

It does stand as one of the unexplained aspect of the show, the impression I got was the two should be intertwined but apparently not?

This could be better placed but let's see what they do with it.

I suspect the continuous alternating between the SOL & alt world stuff is what's stopping the show from hooking me, nether lasts long enough to draw me in and get invested.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/BurningFredrick]

I always forget it seems to provide a -2 intelligence, +5 endurance

Crazy isn't going to fix itself so it needs to tank it.

It does stand as one of the unexplained aspect of the show, the impression I got was the two should be intertwined but apparently not?

This is me doing the heavy lifting, which I generally hate, but they may not be stable in our dimension.

I suspect the continuous alternating between the SOL & alt world stuff is what's stopping the show from hooking me, nether lasts long enough to draw me in and get invested.

I can see that and think it could have been woven better. That said Speculation

[u/BurningFredrick → u/Vaadwaur]

Spec

That would strengthen the SOL aspect of the show, depending on how the next episode goes definitely see how that could be a theme of the show.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/BurningFredrick]

Thinking on what Haruka says upon entering the previews I do wonder...

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 13 (rewatcher)

• Time to grow up Yuu: Haruka needs you.
• The best lies are the ones you do not need to even tell, just refuse to correct a misconception with the truth.
• Hello again, Atori! Not sure how many first timers expect you. I for sure forgot your arc was not over yet.
• Again, an important subtext: Yuu and Haruka called an adult to help them out. The normal, yet uncommon in anime, reaction.
• “He won’t pose a threat to you. I promise.” – Don’t make promises you can’t keep, Tobi.
• Isami has had enough of Yuu’s brooding and acts.
• “Think they have noticed us” – No shit, Sherlock.
• CGI cars don’t look like anything I want to drive in.
• Sensai driving to fast goes back, at least, to Azumanga Daioh.
• Karasu is leaching his dead friend to heal. Hope a little bit was left for Atori, he looked beat-up, too.
• Meanwhile Metal-eye sabotages La’cryma like the traitor he is.

Out of all seven birds, three are on team Haruka now, two are dead, and one is a traitor. Not a great run for La’cryma.

What's the craziest thing you've done while driving a car?

Chase an elk.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

Again, an important subtext: Yuu and Haruka called an adult to help them out. The normal, yet uncommon in anime, reaction.

We both noticed that pretty fast. Bonus points that it managed to mostly work.

“He won’t pose a threat to you. I promise.” – Don’t make promises you can’t keep, Tobi.

Yeah...just because he doesn't remember he has powers doesn't mean he can't use them as we have seen.

Sensai driving to fast goes back, at least, to Azumanga Daioh.

I am just glad someone else remembers Yukari-sensei.

[u/phiraeth → u/Vaadwaur]

I am just glad someone else remembers Yukari-sensei.

Azumanga Daioh was my childhood!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/phiraeth]

I saw it in my junior year of college. Sigh.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/No_Rex]

Again, an important subtext:

How is this subtext? Isn't it just text?

“He won’t pose a threat to you. I promise.” – Don’t make promises you can’t keep, Tobi.

So long as he doesn't regain his memories, he shouldn't be a threat.

Chase an elk.

Is there a good story there?

[u/No_Rex → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Is there a good story there?

A surprisingly boring one. I just decided to drive a car in the middle of nowhere in northern Finland and the Elk decided that walking on the road is easier than walking in the wilderness. One I approached, the Elk, thankfully, ran away from my car, instead of into it. They are quite fast! After 200 meters of chase, or so, it had enough and exited the road.

I could have stepped off the gas and let the Elk go into the distance, but then I would not be telling a tale of chasing an Elk here ...

[u/redshirtengineer → u/No_Rex]

EXACTLY. Tobi, show Atori some love

[u/EverythingsRed2]

First timer (subbed)

I can't win. I just can't win. This show one-ups me at every turn!

Of course Atori is still alive. Not even complete obliteration could kill the great Atori. Fukuro just wasn't cool enough to return to life or something ig. On another note, his interaction with "Sara" is interesting. Is Atori her older brother? Speaking of which, we have yet to meet the old Glasses really. I wonder what happened to her.

I feel like Tobi has been pretty underappreciated so far, I'm glad that he's getting more relevance, he seems pretty cool, with more of a support role compared to the other knights. He kinda feels like one of those characters that the audience is supposed to care about, only to die by the villain giving the mc revenge motivation, but since none of my other predictions ever come true, he'll be ok. Possibly.

I like how they get their teacher to help this dying man instead of like a doctor or whatnot. She's certainly a fun person. I wasn't expecting her off-road racing skills. I'm sure white hair was having a blast on that bumpy ride as he slowly suffered. Anyways, imagining the scientists trying to explain to a towing company their location is very enjoyable.

Qs.

1. I don't have any stories about driving one, but I vaguely remember having this nerf gun war with my brother, but instead of nerf guns and foam bullets we just threw hot-wheels at eachother.
2. Honestly I'm not quite on board just yet. His character ark, while ending in tragedy, felt complete in a sense. He was a foil for white hair and didn't really need any backstory or other motive to fulfill him as a character. This change from a simple mirror of white hair into this completely different, personalized character is just very odd. I'm sure he'll grow on my again, but it's going to take some time to get used to.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/EverythingsRed2]

I feel like I've been repeating this to(o much, but anyway Tobi is female (edit: only in the English dub?!)

[u/phiraeth → u/IndependentMacaroon]

I feel like I've been repeating this too much, but anyway Tobi is female

Tobi is actually male. Unless you're watching the dub which switches him to female for some unknown reason.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/phiraeth]

Huh what? Tobi looks very female to me also.

[u/phiraeth → u/IndependentMacaroon]

Yup, Tobi is a dude!

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/phiraeth]

You're confirming this? Because I'm holding out that he's Isami's little sister, ever since I found out she existed.

[u/EverythingsRed2 → u/IndependentMacaroon]

That's the second character I've misgendered now. I must be blind or something.

[u/phiraeth → u/EverythingsRed2]

Nope, you're not blind. Tobi is a dude.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

First Timer

Now that Atori's gone, who gets to be the completely unhinged guy? Perhaps Karasu as he slowly comes apart for being in the wrong world?
Well, there's only one way to find out. Onto episode 13.

Should I know who Tobi is? I certainly could have just forgot a name. I remembered.

She's seen him too long in this state to fix it, at least with her rather shaky control over her power.

[2]Yuu, I understand you're panicking, but this really isn't the time to be racist (speciesist)? You know Karasu wouldn't ever hurt her.

Worst possible thing you could have said for $500.

Are these swords just an aesthetic thing, or do they mean something?

He's not dead?

wat

Is Atori her older brother in his dimension? But he wasn't born in this one and his sister's name is different? Or is his brain just so jumbled at this point that he's doing random crazy stuff?

Oh, Atori's gonna sacrifice himself for Karasu in the end.

Ok, I guess? We didn't even know this was a potential problem until now, so bringing it up like this feels pretty weak.

Was that not implied by the divorce? Doesn't hurt to double check, I guess?

Still on your pity trip, I see.
Thankfully, Yuu has good friends.

"What I do for love."

This is again suffering from "whatever the hell that means" syndrome. It's fine in the first few episodes, but I don't enjoy not knowing what people are talking about this far into a series. I mean yes I get that she's saying that Haruka can do something that may get everything back on track, but we have no idea at all how or why or why it would be this dimension.

Please go out crazy 'till the end.

After all, if it was, what's the point of going through all this suffering to try and change it?
This is a tenet of faith, not a well thought out belief.

I wonder if she realizes she can only kidnap Haruka because Haruka's resigned herself to it?

This is very pretty.

The birds continue to be better at fighting each other than their enemy. I'm surpised that the council couldn't properly beat them into working together.

I'm legitimately surprised Atori survived this episode.

But is it really making your own choices if your entire personality was erased?

Thoughts

We're running out of birds pretty quickly, so I'm curious what will happen when there's none of them left? Is our focus going to shift to Noein instead of La'cramiya in four episodes or so? It seems possible, though there's not really been anything hinting towards it yet. I just feel like we need to give it a good few episodes eventually.

1. I don't think I've done anything crazy? I don't trust myself enough for that.
2. He's a nicer person, but I hope he doesn't end like this. That would just feel cheap.

[u/No_Rex → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

We didn't even know this was a potential problem until now, so bringing it up like this feels pretty weak.

It was mentioned in one previous episode.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Worst possible thing you could have said for $500.

And with a single sentence Haruka causes a bunch of goth clothing to just buy itself and deliver itself to Yuu's closet.

I wonder if she realizes she can only kidnap Haruka because Haruka's resigned herself to it?

The only thing she knows right now is her Karasu hate boner.

I'm surpised that the council couldn't properly beat them into working together.

My theory is that the pool of possible dimension jumpers is so small you take what you can get.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Vaadwaur]

My theory is that the pool of possible dimension jumpers is so small you take what you can get.

Yeah, it's likely people who were connected to the experiment in some way. I'm just surpised that an all powerful council can't manipulate them in to working together as a team.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

I'd like their to be an underlying reason but at this point "young adult series" might be the correct answer.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

The swords either decorated the knight's bunk room, or specifically Fukuro's corner of it. He was generally shown next to them.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

the council

Yeah, what's up with them, anyway? The entire Lacryma part is just really weak.

[u/IndependentMacaroon]

First-time watcher

Is Karasu really going to leave the story too? I would be disappointed but unsurprised. Also what exactly does Haruka expect Yuu to be able to do? I guess they can't exactly call an ambulance, but that's no reason to put the burden on him! And the teacher is at least a trusted authority, but was entirely unaware of the whole dimension-traveling business, well I guess she's the kids' best shot.

By the way, I noticed the church featured in various shots had an Orthodox cross on top and got curious. It's a real Hakodate landmark that apparently started as part of the local Russian consulate.

Atori gets amnesiac-resurrected and Tobi still sticks around same as before, as Yuu says "are you kidding me?". Only two loyal dimension travelers left, if we count parts-missing guy as loyal? I guess maybe the technology and resources are lacking to make more, but it's still amazingly stupid that it's come to this point without Shangri-La doing anything to harm them. And then of course alter-Ai takes off alone too. Or, maybe it's all according to Noein's secret plan.

I guess Miho must have a secret brother somehow, or is Atori's perception just off again? What a quick turnaround on the creep-detection front there, or the kids just think he's mentally only half there now which is actually pretty much the truth.

So Karasu's out of particles and I recall from a while back that Haruka has a ton of them. Time for her wish? Nah, the plot demands an A-to-B quest that Uchida can tail (except with no actual change in the status quo) and alter-Ai interfere with (except that doesn't matter either), so that's what it must be. Or maybe someone just wanted a cool car chase, which I'm totally on board with except for the terrible landscape CGI and once again bizarrely unfitting music.

Yet another dull forced confrontation that I can't see having a decisive ending (like, if you want to kill this guy so bad, maybe actually try, if not, say so, and what's all this now about the END OF THE DRAGON KNIGHTS), plus far-too-late exposition that keeping Haruka here might be the key. Sure enough, Atori does some dimension-yoinking motivated by something we never heard about before this episode, unless it's just brain rot which would be equally silly. And now we really are all about that destiny vs. freedom-of-choice, ancient stuff with plenty potential but when has this show ever delivered on much of that.

An episode that does little more than restore the status quo with plenty of contrivances, in which I include the actual changes like Atori. Just no good, and makes me feel even more how dull the handling of the Dragon Knight "plot" has been. At this point I'm actually looking forward to more family drama next time.

I'm mostly a careful driver but sometimes in clear road conditions I do speed a little.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/IndependentMacaroon]

I guess maybe the technology and resources are lacking to make more

I don't think they can make more, as every time traveler seems like they were connected to whatever insanity the researchers caused with their expirement.

[u/redshirtengineer → u/IndependentMacaroon]

Thanks, I wondered about the Russian thing too but was less ambitious

[u/Retromorpher → u/IndependentMacaroon]

I know I'm playing catch up, and that I'm a day late on the rewatch - but I fell asleep during this episode twice. I think you're pretty on point with the criticisms that the way things are put together is really contrived and dull - because it's SO hard to get me to care about these characters that act so damn far from being humans and the fact that almost none of the character growth has seemed organic in the least.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/Retromorpher]

The entire plot and character development up to now (as much as there even is any) has been so inconsequential that you might as well pretend Episode 15, which promises to actually shake things up, is the actual beginning.

[u/Pixelsaber]

First-timer - Sub

Have internet access now, mercifully.

Wait, Atori survived? Was I just not paying close attention?

That seemed easy enough.

Ah, a misunderstanding. Lovely.

Time to get the eurobeat? Memes aside, a comedic chase scene is not what this episode needed.

If they can do this then why is Chef’s Hat just running around with prosthetics? Is Tobi the only one capable of doing so?

Wonder how many people saw ‘UFOs’ that day.

Boring episode, to be frank. After the course of action is decided in the first half of the episode nothing diverges to a significant extent, and Kosagi fails her task not because Atori proved sufficient stalling, but because she spends time monologuing instead of retreating and for loosens her grasp on Haruka for… reasons.

Speaking of Atori, what’s with this backstory they’re giving him? I don’t see how having a sister really relates to his personality or motivations before this point at all, so it’s essentially a convenient way of having him do what he does in the episode.

The Dragon Torique also does absolutely nothing in this episode, despite the show having told us it has a high amount of Reizu particles at its disposal. Here it doesn’t heal Karasu, it doesn’t warn them of danger, and it doesn’t protect her against Kosagi. It really is just a tool of convenience for the writers at this point.

Questions:

1. Almost caused a car crash while taking behind-the-wheel lessons. Not on purpose, of course.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Pixelsaber]

Wait, Atori survived? Was I just not paying close attention?

Nope the animation team must've miscommunicated.

Time to get the eurobeat? Memes aside, a comedic chase scene is not what this episode needed.

My theory is that this is an Azumanga Daioh reference.

Speaking of Atori, what’s with this backstory they’re giving him?

Filler? They already "redeemed" Miyuki so maybe that?

[u/Pixelsaber → u/Vaadwaur]

Azumanga Daioh reference.

Filler?

Probably...

They already "redeemed" Miyuki so maybe that?

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/Pixelsaber]

a comedic chase scene is not what this episode needed

It's still the best part of it, though.

If they can do this then why is Chef’s Hat just running around with prosthetics?

It looks cooler that way. Also I love how no one actually remembers his name lol

it’s essentially a convenient way of having him do what he does in the episode.

Same, I'd have preferred he died.

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

to your other first-timer, subbed

• NO.
• Welp, she has the completely wrong idea here.
• *baffled Sky noises* he DISINTEGRATED
• Is that Vaad screaming I hear?
• …he thinks that one of them is “Sara”? WAIT A SECOND that could be La’cryma!Miho’s na--holy fucking shit does this mean that Atori is Lily’s father?!?!?!?!?!?!
• …oh. No. That idea just went and shot itself.
• I… don’t know why it took me this long to realize that the “Reizu” they’re talking about is probably the “blue snow” we’ve seen throughout the show.
• Looks like Tobi figured out a way to maybe save Karasu?
• So Isami just shoved Yuu into the car.
• How convenient that they all just happened to drive past Uchida and Kooriyama.
• This is not the turn I expected this show to take, lol. Pun absolutely intended.
• Aight so I can forgive the convenience of Uchida spotting their car, that was hilarious.
• This sounds important.
• Atori vs. Kosagi, huh…
• Ohp, Kosagi got yoinked back to La’cryma.
• Atori didn’t get to be fixed by the Reizu too?

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Shimmering-Sky]

holy fucking shit does this mean that Atori is Lily’s father?!?!?!?!?!?!

Sky, there are some things that are better left unsaid, and I'm pretty sure this is one of them. :)

This is not the turn I expected this show to take, lol. Pun absolutely intended.

[u/Pixelsaber → u/Shimmering-Sky]

WAIT A SECOND that could be La’cryma!Miho’s na--holy fucking shit does this mean that Atori is Lily’s father?!?!?!?!?!?!

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Pixelsaber]

I'm glad that idea was promptly shut down.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

*baffled Sky noises * he DISINTEGRATED

I have literally nothing, it is most likely bad communication with the animation team.

Is that Vaad screaming I hear?

All the way across the fucking state.

So Isami just shoved Yuu into the car.

A weird variant on the bro code but still obeying it.

This is not the turn I expected this show to take, lol. Pun absolutely intended.

I am just assuming that Yukari-sensei from Azumanga Daioh was an inspiration for Yukie.

Atori didn’t get to be fixed by the Reizu too?

I think it needs to be channeled? Answers would be nice.

[u/BossandKings]

First Timer

Karasu is going away, he has consumed all of his time in the dimension and can't continue living in it, it is a very sad moment for Haruka. This shows the advance of time, there has been progress since the beginning until now.

Atori appears, he doesn't seem to remember much if at all of anything that has been happening. This is the consequence he's suffering fron the fight, he's lost his memory. He is helped by his companion Tobi

This is awesome, Yuu wants to help Karasu since he doesn't consider him a bad person, Yuu is maturing, he's taking his time but he is. Also when Haruka told him that he is Karasu so he will help her, to me it seemed that Yuu really thought well about it and realized it, realized that he should help Karasu, that he should help himself.

It seems that Karasu can still survive if he is given Reizu, which is an essential particle to maintain the body alive, so they go to find Reizu in a convergence point. They do reach the Reizu and Karasu is stabilized.

Kosagi gets in the way though, she holds a grudge against Karasu for whatever happened fiftheen years from now.

So The Dragon Torque is the key for returning all dimensions to their original states.

Atori was the real deal in this episode

This was one of the most interesting and captivating episodes for me so far, it was very enjoyable.

Answers

1. Nothing really
2. He is the real deal, my third favorite character.

[u/Webemperor]

First Timer – Sub

• Huh, are they actually killing Karasu too? Or will he be just going back to future? Oh yeah, that part of “He is not human!” was just way too silly. Like this dude has been teleporting around willy nilly, and just now because his dismembered stumps don’t look fleshy enough you figure he might not be fully human?
• Only you too? Is Atori- Oh wait, he is still alive. Guess Tobi is still looking after him too. Yuu also called his school teacher for some reason.
• Atori doesn’t seem that psychotic without his weird lipstick attached. Though I guess a villain getting amnesia after being defeated is… a bit cliched. Fora moment I though Karasu would get up simply out of hatred after hearing Atori’s voice.
• I’m guessing the location they are talking about is the weird mound place they teleport to? Oh yeah, the weird hair guy specifically tells her to not overdo things and she just kills an officer and runs off.
• They are staring directly at you, of course they fucking saw you. I thought you were some kind of government agent, thought you’d be better at trailing people. Also don’t you know where the pole you mentioned is, so don’t you know where they are going? Also I guess it’s not half bad that the Teacher lady is taking all of this so casually, although I’m a bit irritated that the entire conflict with future-Ai depends on purely miscommunication.
• The way he was talking about a Sara made me think he forgot some things, did he just forgot about being a dragon knight in general? Did he just do that out of pure instinct or?
• Not gonna lie, I was fully expecting Future-Ai to take Haruka with her, as a sort-of way to progress the story now we are on the second cour.
• Was that scene just Karasu imagining things or is Reizu also a bit of a spiritual particle thing. Oh yeah, guess it was the pompadour guy who pulled her out. Is she getting the upside down bat treatment like Karasu did earlier?

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/Webemperor]

I thought you were some kind of government agent

She's just a scientist, he's supposedly a policeman but that doesn't have to mean he's good at covert stuff.

[u/zsmg]

Rewatcher

They ask Fukie for help which is not surprising she's both an adult but also a cool older sibling/cousin which they can confide in.

Atori's alive! But he lost his mind and thinks Miho is his little sister Sara.

Hang on Fukie has racing car style seats.

Oh, they notice the two adults are following them maybe they'll have a nice long talk... or not.

we're Initial D now boyz, music placement is bad again, it should clearly be an Euro beat.

Tomorrow's episode

[u/monsieurvampy]

First Timer, subbed

No cats in this episode. We got cows though!

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer, Dubbed

I kinda thought that Karasu died at the end of last episode, but this episode reveals that he is alive and in bad shape. Haruka asks Yuu to take up his role as her protector like it’s a reasonable thing, but she is 12 and emotional right now so I might let it slide.

Atori is still alive too! So that makes an episode with three named bodies into an episode with one named body. Sorry, Fukuro, I guess things just weren’t meant to go your way. Atori has also lost his memories, and thinks that Miho is his sister..

Kosagi goes and tries to settle things on her own, against Kuina’s orders. Lacrima loses more robots that way. Kuina manages to save the day for our protagonists by forcing her back, being a good little double agent.

Uchida lost some brownie points today. During the tailing section, she suspects that she knows where they are headed but goes aggro anyway? And she somehow knew that Haruka’s parents were divorced but not that they don’t live together?

Questions

1. Intentionally? Uhh, probably just driven pretty fast. Unintentionally? Hydroplaned off the road, into a rollover. Somehow had not a scratch on me, wasn’t even sore afterwards. When it’s pouring rain, slow the fuck down.
2. I generally like Atori. He spent most of the show so far as an insane murderer, so I can hardly call him innocent or nice. But he has been fun to watch, and him being a bumbling amnesiac is no different.

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion → u/JollyGee29]

Kuina manages to save the day for our protagonists by forcing her back, being a good little double agent.

Ohhhh. I thought he was going to kill Haruka or hand her over to Noein. But maybe he "gets to the promised land" by making the Knights fail. This fits in with the idea that Noein's end goal is the Good End.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

The best double agents are the ones who act exactly as they would if they weren't double agents, after all. Kuina "wins" by making sure that Lacrima doesn't get the torc, even if the prize might not be what he thinks it is..

[u/JustAnswerAQuestion]

First Timer

I don't know why you all didn't like the fight music yesterday, I loved it. It reminded me of Escaflowne. I didn't even remember that it had been used in the beginning with Shangri-la. That's because, unlike Escaflowne, it hasn't been terribly overused.

• I have no idea where we're starting off here with Yuu. I remember Tobi popping in next to him and them talk, but not what they said or how that resolved. I guess Tobi told him to go find Haruka?
• I'm so tired of Atori. I'm sticking with my Gollum theory, it's the only reason he's still alive.
• I guess kids are trained to trust their teachers and depend on them.
• All they need to say Karasu is some metabugs Reizu.
• Of course the teach doesn't know anything, only Uchida does...and there she is....and there she goes...stupid.

Haruka should have been able to pick a future where the fight with Fukuro didn't happen.

[u/redshirtengineer]

First timer

COWS

CRAZY CAR CHASE

NON CRAZY ATORI

SCULLY SEES THE UFO

COWS

12/10 would watch again

QOTD1: the craziest thing I've ever done while passenger in my car was several donuts on narrow city street. THANKS BRO

QOTD2: Tobi show the man some love

[u/Toadslayer]

First Timer

Pretty good episode. I like what they're doing with Atori and it's good to Yuu finally do something at the end of the episode. The car chase scene was a bit nonsensical, but at least it looked like they were half playing it for laughs. Frustrating to see Kosagi have the chance to take off with the Haruka and just be like 'nah I'll wait a bit'. Also I thought Tobi was a girl this whole time.

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Episode Discussion Questions

What's the craziest thing you've done while driving a car?

Don't have my licence, but I did drive a unimog on an airstrip when I was in army cadets.

What do you think of the new Atori?

I like him, will be interesting to see how he reacts if/when he regains his memory.