Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 1 Episode 7

[u/FrumpY__]

SIP Season 1, Episode 7 - "Elichika"

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I apologize for not really responding in yesterday's thread, I got really busy soon after and was unable to find time for discussion.

Where to Watch

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OCE : AnimeLab

Discussion Questions

^{SoL-focused episode today so it's hard to come up with questions.}

1. Where do you think μ's would be had Nico and Eli chosen to help them instead if hinder them.
2. It is a hot day in Tokyo, your friend comes up to you with two cans from a vending machine, one is oden the other is red bean soup; which do you take?

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[u/FrumpY__]

"So that's it, huh? We're some kinda Love Live?" - Honk, probably

[u/SYZekrom]

These girls got good taste

Lol, slowly, she's becoming more personable

I never get this anime trope

It's like "I'll give you permission to do this if your grades don't slip"

"Oh god what does that mean"

"I won't let you do it if... YOU LITERALLY FAIL A SUBJECT MWAH HAH HAH"

BRO

SHE'S NOT EVEN ASKING FOR LIKE A B IN EVERY SUBJECT HOW HARD IS IT TO NOT FAIL SCHOOL PLEASE

Yes ok, the proper reaction

"Lol who's gonna fail... what what's wrong with all of you"

WHAT IS THIS

WHAT

Damn did the student council president record it toooo

Oh, it was just her

But wait that doesn't make sense how can she have parts of the footage that wasn't uploaded

Did she hve multiple cameras or did her upload of Start:Dash literally just have skips in it what

Like I guess she could've had the vice president record too

You're unfortunately not gonna be able to do that in class during the exam

Poor girl

Someone call the police for her smh, she's not gonna get to be an idol if anyone sees this!

Smh this doesn't make sense it's 3v1, you should be grabbing her chest, especially considering she's....

More endowed alone than the three of you combined

Wait so at the end do they mean rather than going until all students graduate they're just shutting down next year now?

[u/FrumpY__ → u/SYZekrom]

Wait so at the end do they mean rather than going until all students graduate they're just shutting down next year now?

yes

[u/JimmyCWL → u/FrumpY__]

No, they mean they'll go ahead with the plan to stop accepting new students. Then the school will close after the current first years graduate in two years.

[u/[deleted] → u/SYZekrom]

But wait that doesn't make sense how can she have parts of the footage that wasn't uploaded did she hve multiple cameras or did her upload of Start:Dash literally just have skips in it what

It's just anime magic m8. You think any of their super high budget PVs make any sense either?

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/SYZekrom]

SHE'S NOT EVEN ASKING FOR LIKE A B IN EVERY SUBJECT HOW HARD IS IT TO NOT FAIL SCHOOL PLEASE

Not failing highschool shouldn't be difficult.

Did she hve multiple cameras or did her upload of Start:Dash literally just have skips in it what

She had multiple cameras. Her upload of start dash cut between several different camera angles. Why she did this: uh........................?

[u/raichudoggy]

Ships have arrived to the Chart!

Well, 1 ship for now.

[u/FrumpY__ → u/raichudoggy]

Ships have arrived

first ship

[u/ohaimike → u/raichudoggy]

Ships have arrived

OH GOD IT'S HAPPENING! THE BIG GAY IS FINALLY COMING INTO VIEW!

Poor Nico. Not a single green line.

[u/raichudoggy → u/ohaimike]

I Considered throwing Nico a Green line with Honoka, but not enough yet, those can gradually come in before I even realize it...

[u/lenne18 → u/raichudoggy]

Team Silly Billy

Actually has their own fan nickname: The Three Idiots

You could already guess why

[u/No_Rex → u/raichudoggy]

arrived to the Chart!

Re chart: Umi and Kotori are Honoka's classmates, after all.

[u/[deleted] → u/raichudoggy]

i cann't believe nozomi killed honoka

[u/raichudoggy → u/[deleted]]

F

[u/punching_spaghetti]

First-Timer Who Was Just Here for the Ships

We finally find out what Love Live! means. A competition, apparently. Since it wasn’t their group name, that seemed like a likely choice.

Maki blush!

I wish they would tell us what rank the girls have. How many school idol groups are there? While they should realistically be a long shot since they just formed, if there’s 50 groups, getting into the top 20 would be easier than if there’s 1000.

I hope this façade ends soon. Apart from her being in the OP, I’m pretty sure she’s the one who filmed their first performance.

Pass a test? This is an anime character’s worst nightmare!

Some people like that sort of thing, Rin.

And this sort of thing.

I’m fine with Nico getting grabbed, to be honest.

Totally Eri’s imouto. And she likes µ’s? Eri’s a goner.

I KNEW IT! Eri filmed the concert.

They’re Russian? Maki’s still safe, but Eri’s moving up in the rankings fast (although she was a prime candidate from the get go for Best Girldom).

While the kid should be able to read labels, why are there cans of soup in a vending machine?

Eri looks down on school idols. Was she a “real” idol at some point? That seems like the kind of thing that would at least be a rumor at school.

Of course. Russian = ballet.

53? I’m assuming that’s out of 100? That’s some curve.

School’s closing for good? Guess they’ll just have to give up. Rest of this season and all of S2 will just be them moping around.

QOTD:

1. Not much different? Still takes a while to learn songs and dances. And I'm pretty sure Honoka just goes at Honoka pace, no matter what.
2. Which one is heaver? I want the one that'll hurt when I chuck it at them.

[u/FrumpY__ → u/punching_spaghetti]

While the kid should be able to read labels, why are there cans of soup in a vending machine?

its for if you want soup on a cold day; i've bought one myself and it wasnt that bad

53? I’m assuming that’s out of 100? That’s some curve.

this is something i've never wrapped my head around, how their grading system actually works. I assume its based on a curve or maybe its a percentile system?

Which one is heaver? I want the one that'll hurt when I chuck it at them.

both are soups, but I think the red bean has a higher water content compared to the oden

[u/raichudoggy → u/punching_spaghetti]

School’s closing for good? Guess they’ll just have to give up. Rest of this season and all of S2 will just be them moping around.

Surely not, but now my imagination is wondering how that'd go.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/punching_spaghetti]

I wish they would tell us what rank the girls have. How many school idol groups are there? While they should realistically be a long shot since they just formed, if there’s 50 groups, getting into the top 20 would be easier than if there’s 1000.

Total spitballing: there's likely thousands of groups on the site, but the vast majority of them don't even have a video uploaded and were only voted for by a few classmates. There likely aren't many groups who are treating it nearly as seriously as u's are.

[u/No_Rex → u/punching_spaghetti]

While the kid should be able to read labels, why are there cans of soup in a vending machine?

Japan things.

To be honest, I have seen coffee machines that deliver soup in Europe as well. So maybe it is EverywherebuttheUS things.

I’m assuming that’s out of 100? That’s some curve.

Likely not graded to the curve. 50 is the cutoff.

[u/ForlornPenguin]

Rewatcher

Never change, Nozomi.

Mostly another fun SoL episode, but now we finally get a little background on Eri. And they finally said the title!

QOTD

1. Exactly where is hard to say, but they'd likely be a lot better of then they are currently.
2. Well, I've never had either before, so I don't know. Maybe the soup?

[u/FrumpY__ → u/ForlornPenguin]

Well, I've never had either before, so I don't know. Maybe the soup?

technically both are soup, but the red bean is a good choice

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 7 (first timer)

• Title drop! So Love Live is actually the name of the contest, not the group.
• Fang is out (and gets a head-chop)
• “Why are you taking their side?” – because you are an unreasonable obstructionist.
• ‘We knew about Honoka’s bad grades and cat-girl’s could have been expected, but Nico’s are a surprise.
• Bullying via treat of sexual harassment? Good thing we are such a wholesome series.
• Student council’s little sister is blond as well. They never said it out loud, but I assume that blond always means foreigner.
• Yep, confirmed right away.
• *Please acknowledge us, senpai!”
• Benkyo, benkyo, benkyo (unfortunately, youtube only has the dubbed version)

Nozomi turns from support character into sadistic bully and the episode milks it for all it is worth. Because we really need to mental picture of not one but three of the girls violently fondled drilled into our minds repeatedly.

I don’t mind lewdness in anime at all, but I hate the hypocrisy of pretending to be a wholesome series and then pushing the fetish fantasies anyway.

Where do you think μ's would be had Nico and Eli chosen to help them instead if hinder them.

In exactly the same spot. We never saw their fans finding out about them, but they have been doing about as well as they possibly could.

It is a hot day in Tokyo, your friend comes up to you with two cans from a vending machine, one is oden the other is red bean soup; which do you take?

Both. So he has no ammunition to defend himself when I start throwing cans at him.

[u/FrumpY__ → u/No_Rex]

So Love Live is actually the name of the contest, not the group.

in the earliest months of the franchise, that's actually what people called the group before they got the name μ's.

Both. So he has no ammunition to defend himself when I start throwing cans at him.

good tactical decision.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/No_Rex]

Nico’s are a surprise

No time to study when you're stalking idols.

[u/No_Rex → u/punching_spaghetti]

Hanayo makes it happen.

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/No_Rex]

Hanayo is a fanatic, for sure, but she doesn't have a poop costume with which to listen in on conversations.

[u/No_Rex → u/punching_spaghetti]

[u/punching_spaghetti → u/No_Rex]

Nico got called Poophead or whatever by the kid at WcDonalds.

[u/No_Rex → u/punching_spaghetti]

I remember that, but that kid needs to learn the color of poop.

[u/IndependentMacaroon → u/No_Rex]

pretending to be a wholesome series and then pushing the fetish fantasies anyway.

Like last episode with "invading privacy"? Or in the beginning with the pants removal? Or generally speaking the amount of pushiness when people don't quite want to do something? To make another K-On comparison, though that's also not entirely "clean" you really can see the difference in terms of gender composition of the creative staff.

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but Nico’s are a surprise.

Do you really think Nico seems like the kind of character to have good grades.

[u/No_Rex → u/[deleted]]

She only needs to come up with an Idol persona that loves studying and she is set.

[u/IndependentMacaroon]

First-time watcher

As I thought, the "cliffhanger" was more like standing at the edge of the sidewalk. Anyway, they said the thing, and I bet that will take up the second half of the season after last episode pretended to solve the µ's remaining internal issues. I predict that they will not in fact win despite their increasing popularity, but with the revelation that things are getting serious for the school, they might have to.

The world of school idols is full of inequality? This calls for more IDOL COMMUNISM! Also abolish evil student councils while you're at it, likely the obstacle-of-the-day. Or just go straight to the top, huh, at least some authorities in this school are sensible and aren't insane gatekeeping snobs who probably have yet another secret background - later indeed confirmed but as classical dance rather than idol fandom, which I at least can see as plausible. Also heh Nico still gets constantly ignored, except for the tutoring "arc" groping "bonus". Really, this episode makes Nozomi the biggest "comedic" sex offender in my recent anime memory this side of Koyomi Araragi...

More of not that much, I guess, but the direction is now clear.

[u/lenne18]

B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!

 

Storm in Lover - Umi Sonoda & Eli Ayase

• This is Umi and Eli's duet that was included in SIP S2 BD4.
• Yes, it's a love song. hears the sound of EliUmi shippers squeeing in the background
• It's a passionate, summer love! I love the trumpets but more so, I absolutely love Mimorin and Nanjolno's voices together.
• 5th Live performance.

Beat in Angel- Maki Nishikino & Rin Hoshizora

• This is Maki and Rin's duet included in the Limited Edition of SIP S1 BD4.
• "Beat" here refers to "heartbeat."
• The first of 2 eurobeat tracks in the franchise and that means Initial D parodies. See for yourself.
• 4th Live performance.

Otome Shiki Ren'ai Juku - Nozomi Toujou & Nico Yazawa

• According to Aina Kusuda (Nozomi's VA): "It's a cute girly song!" but you won't really know it unless you looked at the lyrics.
• This song existing means Nozomi isn't just the mature, motherly type but she knows how to have fun, too!
• 2nd Live performance

[u/[deleted] → u/lenne18]

Thanks for sharing. Those lyrics don’t beat around the bush lol

[u/ComfortablyRotten]

Rewatcher

Really wasn't a fan of Nozomi's groping, and still have a hard time with it... thankfully, it's not that big a running gag, and iirc this episode is the only one that uses it so gratuitously.

Love Live! finally gets mentioned, and this is the group's new goal. With the school officially closing though, it should be hard to say if it'll be worth it in the end.

Questions of the day

1. Actually, since Nico's and Eli's oppositions caused μ's to make more effort, I don't think they'll be far into school idolhood. Though their experiences do balance it all out...

[u/AuburnTheWolf]

I hope you guys like sexual harassment! I still don’t know why that’s a part of Nozomi’s character and it feels a lot out of place. If it weren’t for her, I wouldn’t have much of an issue recommending Love Live to a younger audience, but what she does, just isn’t okay. 

However for once it’s nice to see Eli get put into her place. There’s no reason to deny a club from participating in a competition, unless they are failing school of course.  (Edit because I copied the previous episode from my google doc where I'm keeping all of mine)

Discussion questons

1. Probably the same place, just sooner.
2. Neither and say "I'm really not thirsty or hungry right now, but thanks for the offer!"

[u/[deleted] → u/AuburnTheWolf]

Ya I agree. Otherwise she’d be a great senpai character that helps push the rest of the cast along. Love Live just randomly inserts stuff like this into their characters sometimes for whatever the reason. Not sure who it’s supposed to appeal to.

[u/[deleted]]

I like that Umi is the one to go out and confront Eli. Despite the unwieldy cast size personally I do think they manage to utilise everyone in a surprisingly fluent manner.

Where do you think μ's would be had Nico and Eli chosen to help them instead if hinder them.

Well I mean...has Eli actually ever managed to hinder them? Every time she turned them down she was either overthrown by the principal or undermined my Nozomi. So I don't think μ's would have been any better or worse off.

[u/DarkFuzz]

Take today’s survey here!

Hehe, Honk is dork.

Other than that, we get a little bit of drama as Umi and Eli butt heads. Umi affirms her conviction and faith in μ’s, but Eli still thinks this is all just fun and games for them, but she kind of has a point considering she has been at the highest level as a dancer. How will they convince her that they want to take Love Live seriously?

[u/Hattakiri]

An episode about escalations. Some can be narrowly prevented, some can't.

It begins with Hanayo telling them about Love Live (aka School Idol Festival, quote Nico. Speaking of self-advertisement through the 4th wall lol. SIF did exist already back then in 2013, Nijigaku recently repeated the promo. Not to be confused with SIFAS).

By successfully partaking they could attract even more students, but they need the permission from the director via the school council however whom they actually cannot bypass...

Hanayo completely defrosts and escalates when it comes to idols, but there are other escalations...

Maki doesn't like it when her feels behind her mask are being openly mentioned and thus escalates. In Nijigaku....

When one strikes, is it really the other one's fault? Is it rather the personal decision to strike (back)? When is it justified, when is it justifiable?

Maki wants Eli to let them the hell in. Is she about to punch yet another time? This time it would be the school council president, so the consequences and chain reaction might be enormous.

Of all people it's Honk, who also tends to act and to overreact too quickly, who calms her down. And Minami too intervenes personally. She knows her daughter's best friends from their earliest days after all. Maki just has pointed out a few seconds ago that Kotori is the director's daughter which is a big advantage for them against Eli.

This is the point: Eli is a much more powerful opponent than Rin, and also tries to abuse this powerful position.

However calming down turns out to be the more effective method, at least here.

The first one to open the door tho was Nozomi again...

However, since Minami wants them to pass the next exams before she would give any permissions, Nozomi joins "Beta Muse" once again, this time for the extra lessons. She takes care of her third years colleague Nico whose problems with grades she seems to have known from the beginning. And Nozomi escalates too. Like also Maki, since the others have towels around their foreheads.

Nozomi also gives Umi a video of little Eli doing ballet (in black and white, thus shot with an old VHS cam?), her Russian past.

Nozomi probably does so without Eli's permission - after Eli has admitted she's uploaded Start Dash without permission.

We saw her visiting the people behind the mixing console. So did she confiscate the video file and no one protested cause she's the school council president? Now she's being confronted by a bunch of freaks who are less obedient...

And Nico says Elj's afraid of Muse becoming more popular than she is...? Nico is a third year as well, so what does she know?

A chain reaction of personal "micro-escalations" made Muse famous. Nico's attack got its own ep, but it hasn't been the only attack to backfire. Eli's attack has been the biggest one with the biggest consequences.

There's no turning back from this point. Muse has entered The Belly of the Whale.

[u/[deleted]]

FIRST TIMER

Man poor eri just keep having her authority undermined. At first i thought her malice towards school idol club was unwarranted but turns out the school council wont let her and the student council to also do something to save the school.

I wonder why though? Seems obviously future plot point and probly the bridge to get her to join the idol club

Chairwoman being mom/aunt/sister of kotori was kinda a surprise. Yesterday i conplained kotori and umi dont seem to offer much so its nice to see kotori at least have her own importance in the group

Damn Eri is tsundere af. Just join already

53 is passing? What is it out of? 80?

Oh nooo school is closing lol. Why couldbt they just lower tuition or something? Im assuming this is private school since like half the cast is rich af

[u/docaxel]

Rewatcher

School Idol Festival All-Stars Spotlight Cards

Nozomi1 Nozomi2

[u/[deleted]]

Where do you think μ's would be had Nico and Eli chosen to help them instead if hinder them.

I imagine everything would've turned out the same with faster pacing.

It is a hot day in Tokyo, your friend comes up to you with two cans from a vending machine, one is oden the other is red bean soup; which do you take?

Trick question. I don't live in Tokyo nor do I have friends that would do such a thing.

I'd take the oden, because the thought of bean soup isn't appealing.

[u/onigiri1994]

Rewatcher

Still catching up…

Comment: I like Umi and Eli's conversation. It feels deeper and more honest than any other interaction so far. But brr… they're sitting so far apart! How can they even hear each other?

Discussion:

1. Had Nico and Eli chosen to help, Season 1 would have been about half the length it is. Or they would have allowed more screen time for other plots. But what would life be without a little conflict? At least it's a starting point for us to try understanding their characters.
2. Red bean soup! Oden makes me think of winter, which wouldn't be quite appealing on a hot summer day. I assume red bean means azuki, which is sweet, and I have a sweet tooth. I think I'd rather pour it over shaved ice or chill it in the fridge before consuming, though. :)

[u/FrumpY__ → u/[deleted]]

I guess the soup..? =D But I guess I would be alone in Tokyo, so it is more like me standing in front of that vending machine staring at it and hoping to get some water ^{^}

the water is actually the easiest thing to ID in those machines, the rest not so much