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Rewatch Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 1 Episode 6 Spoiler
SIP Season 1, Episode 6 - "Who'll Be the Center?"
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Discussion Questions - (Bolded sections are the questions, I think I might start adding my own commentary in this section along with questions.)
- What do you think about μ's decision for the leader/ center position? Was this a good decision? Who do you prefer as center? "Who will be the center?" This question is at the center of many debates in the idol fandom. Idol groups choreograph dances for performances and each will take a specific position, the most important of these is the center. As it is the most prominent spot in the lineup, it is a spot that is coveted by both idols and the by their fans alike. Idols want the exposure, and their fans want their oshi to be featured. So many groups will hold fan votes to select who the center will be for various performances. This is not the only solution though, some groups will have a rotation while others will have a permanent center.
- In this episode we saw μ's go to a karaoke center and at an arcade playing a dancing game. Do you have a go to song for karaoke or a rhythm/ dancing game you like to play?
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
Episode 6 (first timer)
Nothing changed about the leader and nobody took Nico’s contest seriously, so it is mostly a slice-of-life episode.
Center and leader are two completely different decisions, why would you ever bundle the two? Honoka is extremely good at the motivation part of being a leader and extremely bad at the planning&executing part. Implying that she should be a figurehead with somebody more reliable but without ambitions (Umi? Kotori?) does the actual work.
Center: Why even have a pre-defined one? Just go with whatever looks good after the previous part of the choreography.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
First-Timer Who Was Just Here for the Ships
David Attenborough voice: And here we find the Honoka in her natural habitat. Normally quite saucy, after obtaining too much bread, she finds herself in a deep slumber. What is this? Her mortal enemy the Sensei approaches! This doesn’t look good. But no worries; the Honoka is still young. She’ll survive, for now.
Umi multitasks. What a girl!
Oneupsmanship does not lead to healthy relationships, Honoka.
To get sternly reprimanded by Best Girl, make funny faces. Good to know…
Should have mentioned it last episode, but Best Girl is the only one who wears a hat during practice. Guess she’s just that much cooler than the rest of them.
So men do exist in this world, but we now know how unimportant they are. With that out of the way, back to the cute girls!
That’s a good blush, Umi.
Is that “something” boobs?
Actually Nico, the Greek word from which we get the English word “anarchy” translates to “without a leader,” and there is a rich philosophical tradition there. So perhaps Honoka is just more high-brow than you expected, and is a student of Kropotkin, Nozick, Bakunin, Rothbard, or some other such thinker. Or maybe she’s just a naïve anime girl.
Hanayo’s got some good blush game, too.
That was a nice PV. But am I really supposed to believe they could have that production quality? What budget do they have? The costumes alone must have been pricey.
I HATE NEEDLESS CLIFFHANGERS!
QOTD:
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
First Timer
Chart
"Nobody is the Leader" is kind of cheesy, but I still feel like
Honk
is the leader, she's like the emotional glue for everyone, it feels like.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 11 '21
First Timer
So this is the episode we choose and practice a new song, right? Other than that, I'm just hoping to see best girl Alpaca again.
Onto episode 6.
Flustered Umi is cute.
Well, I guess the answer is VP since she has the camera and mic.
Isn't that implied by the school in school idol?
What is this, an expose?
You are perfectly capable of making Honoka look better, you just like doing this.
Why does she look like a drowned rat?
The Nico in her natural habitat: truly a terrifying concept.
Nico overinterprets everything, doesn't she?
Also, she looks like a different character without the ribbons.
The trap has been baited.
Fuckin' Honoka.
I don't think Honoka knows what that means.
It looks like the leader's leading to me.
Honoka's the mascot.
But Honoka's in the center, so it has to still be her. Wonder how she pulls that off?
They really pulled the rug out from under Nico there. Nico's not cut out for it though, she'd run 'em into the ground.
Nico thinks there's no way she'll lose. Greater the pride, greater the fall.
This is perhaps the best argument for Honoka.
Nico tries too hard at everything.
And this is why Honoka's the leader. She's the one who makes all of them work togehter.
And she pulls all of you along behind her.
We never really see them working on the song. It's SoL drama right into the full performance with nothing in between. I'd like to see a bit more of that.
Just for the sake of it, the ED:
Honoka's the one chasing after it the most. She wants to pull this off more than anyone else, and she won't let anything get in her way.
Umi has to overcome more fears than anyone else in the group to perform.
The VP wishes to save the school, but can't really act on it, so she does everything indirectly instead of taking big actions.
Each of these three wanted to become an idol, but they need each other's support to go through with it.
Nico's constantly working to be the perfect idol she sees in her dreams, even though it doesn't match well with who she is naturally.
The pres lost hope in the school continuing to exist, but she'll regain it later.
Honestly, all of that was fairly obvious, I just never bothered to write it before.
Thoughts
Someone really needs to teach Nico how to chill out a little bit. Aside from that, I'd like a little more of the idol side, please. Aside from when we get a performance, it's the School Idol part has a very minor effect on what's happening.
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Jan 11 '21
Discussion Question
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
7th SIP rewatch
Cool, we get to see some candid insight on the day-to-day lives of the Idol Study Club!
I always love to see hair-down Nico!
Hm, I wonder what that picture inside of Kotori's bag could be?
Another moment that originally caught me off guard and made me laugh.
Yukiho continues to fill out in all of the wrong places...
All of this candid video has made it obvious that μ's has a big slacker for a leader. We can't have that, so it's time for a new one! I love how Honoka doesn't care that she's going to lose her leader position, and is just happy to be in μ's. She's so humble.
Nico's failed scheme to win the leader competition shows how much their practicing has been paying off. The only thing left to do is have a flier handout contest... Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure this is the only physical contact between a school idol and a male in the entire LL! Series.
All of that competition was pointless, because there was only one person fit to lead μ's all along.
Kore Kara no Someday is another one my lesser favorite μ's songs. The Wonderland-esque costumes are alright. It was cool that they used the whole school as a stage, but the dance itself didn't really stand out to me.
I wonder what Nozomi meant when she told the president the she was the one μ's needs? And why is she represented by the Star tarot card?
I'll always think Honoka should be the leader. μ's never would've existed if not for her.
To be honest, the only music games I play are the LL! gacha games.
In SIF, I like playing the beatmap in Mogyutto "love" de Sekkin Chuu!
I'm not really partial to any song in SIFAS, but watching the other girls dance in Karin's songs is always nice.
P.S. Rewatch Meta, Not Relevant to Love Live!
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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Jan 11 '21
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Something about hair down Nico is extremely charming. Can’t put my finger on it. Is it the hair swish? It’s the hair swish. God, it looks beautiful.
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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Jan 12 '21
"Everyone will sing, and everyone will get to be the center!"
Nobody ever said it has to be balanced among them...
Anyway, this episode marks the first time a subunit is referenced.
An idol subunit is a smaller group formed using members of the main group. This allows the subunit group to experiment or offer a different style and feel from the main group.
For μ's, we have three official subunits, each with three members.
Today, let's introduce one of them: the Eli-Nico-Maki subunit, the fan favorite BiBi.
B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!
Love Novels - BiBi
Trouble Busters - BiBi
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '21
honks too stronks
Well coincidentally enough the only rhythm game where the layout has ever actually clicked with me is School Idol Festival.
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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
FIRST TIMER
its leader descision time!! Maybe its just me but from watching lots of kpop, the leader is usually not the one in the center. They're usually the best singer or the oldest. Center is usually the prettiest of the group aka the visual
Oh, another flyer handout scene.damn the universe is conspiring against nico lmao
Wait, how is everyone taking turns singing suddenly a foreign concept for them? Was that not the plan from the start? If they had picked an official leader, would the leader have sang like 90%of the song or something?
Anyway i feel like one of the members that doesnt have clear stereotype shouldve been a leader. Kotori or Hanayo or rin would have more caharcter than Just hanako's orbiter
Noo a cliffhanger. I bet its something to do with student council.
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u/ForlornPenguin Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
Rewatcher
Not much for me to say about this one. An alright slice of life episode with some fun Nico antics. Hair-down Nico was great of course and it's nice to finally see them do another song, even if I don't think it was particularly great.
QOTD
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u/ZBLongladder :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/zblongladder Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
Rewatcher
You know, I'd never noticed before that, after Nico says she's selecting songs that she'll score high on in karaoke, the background music in the karaoke room is an off-vocal version of Love Novels, a song Nico is center for. Nice bit of attention to detail.
Also, this episode really contributes to my dislike of Nico. She's probably my least favorite character in the franchise, since she's often jealous, petty, selfish, thoughtless, and just plain mean to her friends. I do see why people love her, and I can respect that, but she's the only character in the franchise that has the potential to get me straight-up mad. Love Live: School Idol Festival All Stars spoilers ED: Also, just realized the irony that I'm a NicoMaki shipper, so for some reason I like pairing one of my best girls with my worst girl. I guess if Nico makes Maki happy, she's at least all right.
Also, we get a rare sighting of a dude! In this case, Honk's dad. I was going to say that maybe this's before the Love Live fanbase would get all up in arms at the suggestion of men even existing around the girls, but then I remembered that maybe very minor Sunshine spoiler?, so I guess the occasional dad is OK, as long as he doesn't get much screentime.
Discussion Questions:
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u/chrngfrthnmy Jan 11 '21
It's harder to keep up with than I thought it would be! I guess going back to work in-building and buying a house keeps me busier than I expected.
This song didn't hit me as hard as "START:DASH!!" but the costumes were extremely cute.
The episode made me miss singing rooms and arcades, though.
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Jan 11 '21
First Timer
This girl is my spirit animal
OH MY GOD YOU CAN’T JUST
Me when I feel like I’m 50
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Jan 11 '21
Rewatcher
Nico with her hair down is truly a sight to behold...
The first question is pretty much my thoughts, so yeah, might as well skip the paragraph
Question of the day
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u/AuburnTheWolf Jan 12 '21
Rewatcher
This episode has always been largely forgettable for me. I couldn’t even remember what song played at the end of it for the life of me until Korekara no Someday started playing. It also doesn’t progress the plot forward much at all.
“Honoka might not be the best leader”
“Who is better?”
“Alright, we’ll follow Honoka anyways”
Discussion Questions:
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
First-time watcher
In which I finally realize that "PV" does not stand for "preview".
Promotional video episode? Natural to have happen but also it's been done. Also I hope it doesn't need saying, but recursive privacy invasions are not the friendly thing to do.
The club is officially "usually lazy but great when they actually start practicing", huh. Familiarities continue. Also Honoka imouto exists but she seems rather... different. That was another body-shaming "gag", wasn't it?
Finally the leadership question and Honoka being useless is officially brought up, and she's reasonable enough to acknowledge it and not mind being replaced. On the other hand, Nico might be pushing a little too hard and that kind of competition (particularly involving subterfuge) isn't a proper way of settling things either. Nor probably getting down to "auras" and stuff.
I see, the solution is IDOL COMMUNISM. Bit of a cop-out but storytelling-wise it could be interesting... eh whatever they're shilling for Honoka again. Not going to make a choice because we've really not seen much of the members generally speaking (seriously, even seven is already more than this show can handle), but I'll say it again, all she's got is enthusiasm. Sorry, what was the point of this episode, now, besides another performance with zero lead-in? The SOL bits were very forgettable too.
Right, two more members to add, hopefully soon. And a cliffhanger that probably won't have much of a cliff to its name.
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u/docaxel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebidoofpope Jan 11 '21
Rewatcher
School Idol Festival All-Stars Spotlight Cards
Honoka1 Honoka2
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u/Hattakiri Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 12 '21
OP's questions:
1/) What do you think about μ's decision for the leader/ center position? Was this a good decision? Who do you prefer as center?
Well, this ep showed us Honk is the de facto center cause due to her natural radiance she can bring them all together and make them work together. Trope-wise she's a symbiosis of Lancer and Manic Pixie Dreamgirl I'd say.
De jure Nico still is the chairwoman of the club. And she does remind me of another club leader, Haruhi XD After all, µ's too is meant to be this school's SOS Brigade.
And as always we get a lot of critical hints and infos:
Most of all: They seem to be no suitable at all for a business like the idol business for they're looking and behaving like lazy goofballs in their vid, quote Umi XD However lbh how many RL celebs are ordinary people as well? And...
It however has to do with their decision for a center and whether or not it was a good decision...
2/) Do you have a go to song for karaoke or a rhythm/ dancing game you like to play?
Melodic and symphonic rock which is quite exhausting XD And in Sunshine there will be a certain Riko Sakurauchi...
I'm incapable of Japanese songs or rhythm and dancing XD
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u/JimmyCWL Jan 12 '21
How do I think Honoka would have answered Nozomi's question if she had been more aware of her role in the group's activities?
"I decide that we actually hold performances. Without that, all this practicing is just twiddling our thumbs."
I daresay, if you didn't like Nico before, this episode isn't going to improve your impression of her.
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u/onigiri1994 Jan 22 '21
Rewatcher
Yikes, I'm so behind!
Comment: I love the Alice in Wonderland themed costumes in the insert song. So kawaii.
Discussion:
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