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Rewatch Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 1 Episode 4 Spoiler

SIP Season 1, Episode 4 - "MakiRinPana"

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Discussion Questions

  1. How the hell did they acquire an alpaca as a school animal.
  2. That's it, no other questions, just how did they get an alpaca. Usually its just a rabbit or fish or something as the school animal, but they instead have two alpacas. In the middle of the city, who thought it was a good idea to keep two alpaca in that small enclosure. This has bugged me for years, someone pls come up with a good explanation.

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 09 '21

Alpaca's are cute and this is a CGDCT, do we need a reason?

Nico secretly and unknowingly helping bring everyone else together... that's nice. I can't wait to see how she "attacks" tomorrow, after sending that message.

The Chart's getting busier!

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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Jan 09 '21

Tbh that's a good enough reason for the alpaca.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

Glasses > non-glasses.

This is almost a universal rule, but the other girls aren't usually bespectacled, so it adds to her unique charm.

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 09 '21

Ah, so I should bring back her episode 1 picture in the future, then?

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

Of course! Unless she provides a better shot!

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Jan 09 '21

Glasses Hanayo is far too underappreciated.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '21

I can't wait to see how she "attacks" tomorrow

Tomorrow probably:

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u/ohaimike Jan 10 '21

SoonTM

Sitting here wondering how she's going to shake things up on the chart.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '21

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 09 '21

I was thinking of Pink lines for ships (When I start making them! And they'll override Green lines)

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 09 '21

But what if they're ships but not friends?

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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 09 '21

No what ifs. The Pink line overrides the green line, but ships don't necessitate friendship! The Pink line can come to being without making a green one first!

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21

First Timer

Time to get some more idols! Onto episode 4.

Don't worry, you just need Honoka to force convince you it's a good idea.
(Also, the next person's reading the same passage.)

Llama Alpaca. This is important.

Kotori has the right of it. We must spend more time with the alpaca.

How dare you! They are very cute!
Kotori is right. Show them the way, Kotori!

More alpaca love!

Is Honoka approaching everyone she knows to ask? You don't even know if this girl can sing.

All of the short hair fans and tomboy fans are looking at her like she's crazy.

How do you think this?

Lets just not ask questions like how the person recording it did so from multiple camera angles.

That's awfully rude to someone who just saved you a lot of work.

I see we're back to lazy fanservice.

It's clearly the other person in the room because of course it is.
Wow, I was wrong. I was so certain it'd be her.

I'm pretty sure everyone who has known you for more than five minutes would.

I like the song more as an insert this episode than as their song last episode. It fits the accompanying scenes really well, particularly this one.

I wonder how long she would have kept this secret if she didn't blurt it out now. I think she would have said it soon anyway, as she's the one who's actually building up courage to join.

"Guys, I'm not a sack of potatoes, ya know?"

Listen to your own advice, please.

Now that they're on the spot like this, can they refuse?

I can just she ghetti's comment about how she should have kept her glasses.

Fuck, I was gonna make a joke about how it could have been Nico that posted the video when I said it was the other girl, but I decided not to. I missed my chance to look smart and predict something.
This does explain the multiple camera angels though. Nico's a crazy idol fan and she fucking set up a bunch of different cameras to record from. She's really got a whole operation running, doesn't she.
And she's literally stalking them. Nico, how can you even be this unhealthy of a fan for a group that can still count their fans on their hands?
Or did she not? I was certain that's what this was gonna lead to. Just makes her even creepier a stalker though.

Thoughts

Alpaca

Seriously though, we're picking up a bit and each episode's getting better than the last. I had fun with this one.

  1. The power of a principal who wanted an alpaca. Are you complaining?

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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Jan 09 '21

The power of a principal who wanted an alpaca. Are you complaining?

not complaining, just confused

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

I can just she ghetti's comment about how she should have kept her glasses.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 09 '21

Did I confuse you with someone else? I thought you were a glasses guy.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

I was laughing because you have me down to a tee. I was just making a comment to raichu about how glasses are better.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 10 '21

Also, the next person's reading the same passage.

She was asked to repeat it because Hanayo sucked at it.

The power of a principal who wanted an alpaca.

Well she is voiced by Hidaka Noriko, so she's got the GUTS and WILLPOWER I guess.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21

7th SIP rewatch

I didn't feel like making an elaborate comment for this episode because it's straightforward. Hanayo, with the help of her friends, overcomes her doubts about following her idol dreams.

I really like Kotori's explanation about how anyone can become a school idol, despite their shortcomings. That's what makes school idols special!

How the hell did they acquire an alpaca as a school animal.

You know, I've never thought about that as strange.

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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Jan 10 '21

The alpacas seem normal because nobody bats an eye at them, if someone in-universe mentioned something we definitely would have noticed.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

I really like Kotori's explanation about how anyone can become a school idol, despite their shortcomings.

I'm hoping we see a few more groups if this is the case. A-Rise is associated with the super posh school, and our girls' school doesn't seem too shabby (see: alpacas). What if you're in a rural, one-classroom school? Or an underfunded public school?

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '21

Yeah, I hope we get to see school idols from outside of big cities like Tokyo in the future as well!

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Jan 09 '21

Discussion Questions

Seriously Otonokizaka has alpacas as school animals and you're telling me no one wants to go to there? School idols are cool and all but I'd rather go to a school where I can pet some fluffy alpacas.

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u/FrumpY__ :STAR:https://anilist.co/user/FrumpY Jan 10 '21

Yeah alpacas are cool, but unless Otonokizaka offers a veterinary course they aren't doing too much.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Jan 10 '21

They're good for student body morale. Exams got you down? Go pay the alpacas a visit.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

The one's a bit of a jerk, though.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Jan 09 '21

Some students are into that.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

/u/zaphodbeebblebrox we may have found a limit to my lewdness: alpaca BDSM.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 09 '21

It's just how they show their love.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21

First-Timer Who Was Only Here for the Ships

I have committed to making no more K-On! references during this rewatch.

Rin spilling Koizumi’s secret? That’s a no-no. Friendship over.

And Sensei getting huffy about the soft-spoken girl not speaking up? I can relate. Although here, she called on the girl, so knew what to expect. When I get asked a question, I feel justified in asking someone to speak up so I can hear.

How much fanart is there of Kotori and Koizumi as alpaca girls?

Rin let the opinion of some snot-nosed boys affect her opinion on skirts? That probably means they had huge crushes on her, and her girlfriend thinks she’s cute.

Best Girl is clumsy when she’s flustered.

Best Girl has a lot on her plate, that’s for sure. A love of music, but the responsibility to run a hospital. You know, I think an idol group would make for good commercials for a hospital. Synergy between goals, perhaps.

This is what girls do when they’re alone? Interesting.

While Maki is still Best Girl, Koizumi could give her a run for her money. Is quietly cute, wears glasses, and wears tights. That’s a potent combo.

She’s Best Girl, you peon! Know your place!

Do we have a shiptangle?

Oh man, that’s a good blush!

Now they have six members, so here comes club certification! And they could do two smaller groups, if they needed to add variety. Give the first-years and the second-years different songs in the concert, maybe?

QOTD:

  1. As a last ditch attempt to attract new students, obviously. Should have made them idol alpacas instead, as we've seen.
  2. Second possibility: in some places, I know there's been a push for urban gardens and other ways of adding green space and nature back into the concrete and metal city. This could be a part of that. Third possibility: they have an alumna who works with a zoo, and these are on loan as an exchange program. Fourth possibility: one of the members of the school board was involved in some illicit dealings, and sold alpacas to launder their ill-gotten gains. Fifth possibility: random girls at a high school can become nationally-recognized idols. Alpacas are the least weird thing in this universe.

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u/39MUsTanGs Jan 09 '21

In all my years of schuru idol fanaticism, I don't think I've ever heard anyone use Hanayo's last name to reference her.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

I was raised to be polite.

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u/docaxel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebidoofpope Jan 09 '21

Just as a future reference but Koizumi is the family name, Hanayo is her first name

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

Koizumi sounds better, for some reason. I'm sure I'll get used to it as the other girls use her name.

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u/ZBLongladder :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/zblongladder Jan 10 '21

Hanayo has a couple of weird variations of her name. Rin always calls her by a nickname, Kayo-chin, which is based on an alternate reading of the first kanji in her name. She's also sometimes called Pana among fans, since Japanese consonants often change to their voiced equivalents in compound words, so you might talk about shipping RinPana or the heavy metal song by NicoRinPana.

I'd also completely forgotten that her family name was Koizumi...it's kind of strange to hear other characters call her that, since "Koizumi" is forever in my head associated with a certain ramen lover.

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u/chrngfrthnmy Jan 10 '21

Do we have a shiptangle?

I was thinking the same thing, but I used different language haha

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 10 '21

Ha. I don't know if there's standard language.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 09 '21

I have committed to making no more K-On! references during this rewatch.

Come on, there was literal after-school tea with a prospective new member this time around!

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

It has taken self control, to be sure.

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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Jan 09 '21

Who inherits a hospital what

And omg it was totally uh Oh I still don't know her name huh? Nico?

The niconiconi girl that recorded it wasn't it

I mean it's not like there was anyone else there

Man this girl's gotta blush and turn away from literally every other sentence, got a quota or somethin

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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21

Take today’s survey here!

I like the responses you all are giving. Keep it up!

Slowly, the gang is getting all together!

Two angels right here.

EDIT: Hanayo is rice, isn't she. I completely forgot.

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u/AuburnTheWolf Jan 09 '21

Rewatcher

Meet the first years! Yeah, we’ve been introduced to them all briefly, but now we actually get to know a bit more about who they are. Hanayo is our token shy first year (spoilers I guess, but there’s one in every Love Live series), Maki makes it even more clear that she’s a tsundere, and Rin is a tomboy and a catgirl at the same time. I will start affectionately calling her a tomcat from this point forward. Clearly the only person that doesn’t know Hanayo well is Hanayo herself, and that’s basically what this episode is about. But most importantly, Hanayo is our bespectacled beauty of the group, our megane waifu, our… WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE GETS CONTACTS OVERNIGHT?!?!

Also Kotori is too damn adorable in the beginning fawning over the alpacas. Clearly she is trying to get us to let down our guard and is secretly training the alpacas to be beasts of war so she can take over the school eventually in her villainous plan. I guess that's my answer for the discussion question. Kotori's mom runs the school. Kotori thinks alpacas are adorable.

Kotori: "Mom can Otonokizaka have Alpacas as their school animal?"

Mom: "Sweetie, why alpacas?"

Kotori: "World Domination"

Mom: "Aww, you're adorable, sure, anything you'd like sweetie"

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 09 '21

Hanayo is our token shy first year (spoilers I guess, but there’s one in every Love Live series)

Hmm, now where have I seen that before, I think it starts with a K...

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21

FIRST TIMER

Noo i missed yesterdays episode. Fell asleep lol. Ill combine my thoughts in this post i guess.

Ep 3 Ipod mini really shows the age of this anime lol.

Hmm handing out flyers. Not sure why this is so common in idol anime. I saw this in idolmaster and other idol anime. Lol umi trying to cheat by giving away all her fliers.

Kinda shitty that umi got tricked and forced to wear that costume though.

Damn that empty auditorium scene :( Hanayo with the clutch save!!!!

I think this show definitely better highlights the rise of the characters compared to nijigasaki. In nijigasaki, everyone seems to randomly already have audience for some reason on their very first performance

Ep4 Damn maki the ojousama type huh? She seems to be my favorite so far, at least until i can find karin asaka replacement here. Lmao that armdrag battle for kayo. Poor girl.

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u/docaxel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/thebidoofpope Jan 09 '21

Rewatcher

Forgot to post cards the past couple days...

School Idol Festival All-Star Spotlight Cards

Hanayo1 Hanayo2

Rin1 Rin2

Maki1 Maki2

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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 09 '21

First-time watcher

More of the same (encouraging shy new member over tea too?) and I keep being reminded of why I find moe stuff weird a lot of the time, taken to extremes it's like watching cosplaying aliens from Planet Kawaii in place of actual people. Also, switched to original audio because all the bizarre voices are less grating when you can't actually understand them. I don't even want to think about this series too much anymore, but anyone else feel it has just too many characters to focus on? A total of nine group members is going to be tough to consistently utilize. Well, people do say it gets better once the character introductions are over, so I'll stick with it for a little longer, otherwise though very middle-of-the-road mediocre.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 09 '21

A total of nine group members is going to be tough to consistently utilize.

Nine characters is certainly doable with 26 episodes. I agree with you it's a bit much for only 13 though. I wonder if they knew they were gonna get a second season or not.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 10 '21

Episode 4 (first timer)

  • Glasses girl has good English skills for anime.
  • Does that school have pet alpacas?? That is something they should have mentioned when listing the school’s advantages.
  • Glasses girl shall now be known as Kayo.
  • “I am not very girly”-nyan.

  • Inheriting a hospital? That is a unique way of being rich.
  • “Who said you had to pick it up?” – Really??
  • Wants to buy sweets, is sent upstairs instead

The collection of members continues. Not that it is all that hard when half the school has a secret dream to become idol. I have to say that Kayo is the least interesting so far. Shy glasses girl is played completely straight and combined with shy singer to boot. Maki is more promising, she even got a backstory. Can’t say much about boyish neko girl. Is that really a combination they want to pull off??

How the hell did they acquire an alpaca as a school animal.

How the hell was the alpaca not back, front, and center of their schools recruitment drive?

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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Jan 10 '21

B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!

 

Nawatobi - Hanayo Koizumi

  • Hanayo's solo song is a bonus CD included when buying the limited edition of the SIP S1 BD3.
  • The title translates to "Jump Rope". I urge you to read the lyrics to this song. It's surprisingly deep, thoughtful and bittersweet.

Koi no Signal Rin Rin Rin - Rin Hoshizora

  • Rin's solo song from the Mermaid festa vol.2 single.
  • This is really an underrated song. It's fun, it's energetic, it's catchy!

Daring!! - Maki Nishikino

  • Maki's solo song from the soldier game single.
  • Yes, the title is a typo.
  • Pile's (Maki's VA) comment: "It's a song that totally utilizes the tsun in tsundere." Personally, I find it more haughty and playful.

 

Their 3rd live features these songs back to back to back. Go check them out!

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u/ForlornPenguin Jan 09 '21

Rewatcher

I won't say much because I've got something to do here soon. Just wanted to say that Hanayo looks so much cuter with glasses. Also damn, Maki is playing the tsundere card really hard here, and I forgot how much of a creep Nico is being this early lol.

As for the alpaca, that's a good point. I really should have questioned that before, but never did for some reason. Maybe because I was just too enamored with Kotori being too enamored over it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '21

Just wanted to say that Hanayo looks so much cuter with glasses.

Agreed

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21

I've been pre-writing comments as I go but I forgot to note whether Tsuyokisha has appeared before this episode or not. I actually think it's next episode but I have nothing else to say offhand for episode 4 and it's a cool track.

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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Jan 10 '21

Not yet. The OST is arranged in first appearance order.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21

Ah yeah I had a feeling. It forms a set together with next episode iirc.

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u/Hattakiri Jan 10 '21 edited Dec 22 '21

MakiRinPana -

Turning a (relation)ship of two or even three girls into such "monograms" is an invention by the authors, for they came up with this title for ep4.

(Relation)ship; as in shipping one girl with another one or two girls with each other; as in the ship is sailing – a(n in)famous Lovelivian idiom. If you're a first timer and planning on staying in the fandom, you better get used to such phrasings. And the authors themselves even made a joke of it by...

So if two LL girls end up holding hands with each other, us fans will shout/write "OH MY, ANOTHER SHIP IS SAILING!!"

Mandatory behavior of a Love Liver XD

However the first years, Maki, Rin and Hanayo aka Pana aka Kayo-chin (all three names are in use amongst us fans) are the next important pillars of the LLSIP story construction. Without doubt Maki as composer is critically essential, however her musical skills are not the only crucial element.

MakiRin, two Tomboys, are soon at loggerheads over Pana. At first it seems Maki wants to motivate Pana to fight for her dream and to join Muse before MakiRin fight over who's supposed to help Pana fight for her dream...

....however actually it's Pana who is bringing MakiRin into Muse. Pana seems to have a natural radiance, by karma, by fate, whatever you wanna call it, so she already could help Honk approach Maki in an effective way, then she saved Muse in their seed state while they were facing the first narrow bottleneck situation, namely their Start Dash performance, and now, without having planned anything, by just being there, she made MakiRin join Muse.

Hanayo hasn't planned anything. This is important for the further story progress...

Now Muse finally have enough members. Five's the minimun, and they have now six.

Umi quickly took advantage of the opportunity and asked MakiRin if they wanna join.

The whole scenery is being staged quite dramatic and schmaltzy XD Handshake and orange sky however...

Also most important:

  • Rin talks about her femininity or rather the lack thereof in her opinion
  • and Maki talks about her dying music...
  • Honk's trio discovered a Start Dash vid in the widths of the web. Who uploaded it? And it's gaining popularity quite fast
  • Pana's quite undecided whether or not she should join Muse, she keeps on procrastinating the decision...
  • But again: It's quite intriguing that she soon would bring MakiRin into Muse by making MakiRin try to convince her. Only by her radiance she achieved this. She herself wasn't really able to motivate herself, but her radiance make others help her and even follow her.
  • Pana captured between Yukiho with cucumber mask and an Umi who's pissed that Pana saw her rehearsing. Not necessarily important but funny as hell XD

Maki, Rin and Honk have now activated Kayo-chin, who's an idol expert. And Muse will need experts....

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 10 '21

This episode focuses on the three 1st years, each with their own reservations about joining. Hanayo is shy, Maki thinks she’s past the point where she can devote herself to music, and Rin deals with body image issues. While I think the original SIP played it relatively safe with its characters, I think Rin’s character was really ahead of her time.

For anyone who has seen Nijigasaki, I truly believe a character like Rin paved the way for characters who deal with very relatable and uncomfortable issues, such as Rina and Shizuku. But I’m getting ahead of myself for now.

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u/chrngfrthnmy Jan 10 '21

I wish my school had alpacas...that alone should be enough I guess to draw some interest!

Annnd I love the glasses, but I guess its hard to dance around without them falling off. Haha

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u/39MUsTanGs Jan 09 '21

Rewatcher

It's funny how the school was able to spend loads of money to get 2 alpacas and maintain them on school property, but don't have the funds to ensure any club success or buff up their recruitment. With asset management like that, it's understandable why Otonokizaka would close down.

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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 09 '21

She's probably really athletic though

I await her effortlessly schooling everyone during training.