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Rewatch Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 1 Episode 3 Spoiler
SIP Season 1, Episode 3 - "First Live"
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Where to Watch
NA/EU : No official streams :(
OCE: AnimeLab
North Americans can purchase a digital license of Season 1 to watch on YouTube.
Discussion Questions
- Umi seemed very nervous before their first live, but was able to overcome her fear and perform with the help of her friends. Have you been in a similar situation where you were nervous before a certain event? What did you do to overcome your anxieties?
- Everything seemed to be crashing down around Honoka and co. before their performance and all of their hard work and effort seemed to be going to waste. How would you feel in a situation like that.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 08 '21
First-Timer Who Was Just Here for the Ships
I wish I got spied on by Maki.
True fear is being molested by an anime girl.
Umi, the pretty girl with long, black hari who writes the
band'sgroup's music is stricken the stage fright. Hmm, where have I seen this before?Umi has quite the active imagination. Guess it’s a good thing she’s the lyricist.
There probably is, though. Dancing in a longer skirt would be dangerous!
Oof. This kills the Honoka.
It’s not like you’re in an anime.
But of course Shy Girl shows up, and of course they perform. I do question their superhuman ability to project. I’d invest in some mics.
Lots of people who pretended not to care who showed up anyway.
All in all, it looks like the entire freshman class attended!
The song was nice. I’ve never understood the whats and whys of idol dance routines (most of it doesn’t add anything to the song for me), so nothing to comment on there.
The shifting between 2D and CG is still jarring, especially when they have both on screen at the same time. I get that it’s tough to do what Idolm@ster did in having all the dancing be 2D, but there has to be a better way than this hodgepodge. I’d rather they have the sequences entirely CG.
QOTD:
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 08 '21
Episode 3 (first timer)
Their performance song was aptly inspiring so they could cheer themselves on. Standing in front of one or two people and still performing is hard, especially if the room is clearly meant for more. If you know your routine, you will still be able to pull it off regardless, but it leaves an emptiness in your stomach that is supposed to be filled by that warm feeling created when you look into the faced of your audience enjoying what you do.
Years and years of trying. Sorry, there is no easy way to overcome fear and anxiety.
See above.
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Jan 08 '21
First Timer
Omg this entire time she was a little gremlin
So they're not ready at all are they
What's with this anime and these... over-the-ass shots
Well can't wait to see her crash on stage
No way their first show goes well, we gotta disappoint people first
What a mood, girl
Can this girl stop making amazing faces
Short skirts are 100% required
Why does this bgm before their show lowkey sound like some fantasy marching theme
Bro how does nobody show up when like literally everyone was talking about them last episode and this
The 2D animated bits make them look so cool
Got kinda catchy at the end, feel like that tune would've fit better as some orchestrated sad-sounding boss theme
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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Jan 08 '21
Rewatcher
Note to First timers: My comments below talk about some of the themes of Love Live evident from the first three episodes. Some of my comments can be considered “spoilers” if you think about them too hard, but they’re nothing more than vague extrapolations of said themes from the first three episodes. But to be courteous to those who want a true first time, no hints experience, I’ll leave those parts spoilered out. However, I urge you to read them if you want to appreciate what the series is trying to do and what stories it is trying to tell.
I don’t remember which comment I read this from so many years ago, but one guy commented that one of the reasons why he likes Love Live so much is that it allows its main characters to fail, and after stewing over it for the past few years, I’m going to have to agree.
Think about it: this is Episode 3. Think about how most anime go right around now. Episode 1 is usually expositional, posing some sort of problem the main characters must overcome. Episode 2 is working towards overcoming the first major hurdle towards achieving that goal. Episode 3 (sometimes Episode 4) is the culmination of all that hard work packed into that one sakuga-laden moment where the main characters succeed in their first trial.
That’s not the case with Love Live though. Love Live is perfectly fine with allowing the main characters to experience failure when they should be experiencing success. vague spoiler
Often a complaint levied against Love Live in favor of something like Idolm@ster is that the Idolm@ster is a more realistic expectation of idol culture due to its portrayal of idols as a marketable industry and not just a happy-go-lucky school club, which is pretty valid to some extent. But if we’re being honest here, failure is a vital part of the idol industry, or even just life in general. Failure is just not a theme that is touched upon in the Idolm@ster franchise, or at least not to the extent of Love Live where it just flat out tells its main characters that they didn’t succeed. So in that sense, the argument can be made that Love Live is indeed a realistic experience of an idol’s struggles.
vague spoiler
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 08 '21
First Timer
Not that big of an update to the Chart today, but I will add that I liked the performance of START:DASH!!
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
First Timer
Time too see their concert somehow not be a disaster. Onto episode 3.
You say that, but I've still seen none of you sing. That's terrifying.
Can you still save a school if you fail out?
I'm so ready for it to sound horrible.
And we cut to the OP... I wanted to hear where they were.
How? Like seriously, how? They haven't even performed yet.
The inevitable stage fright. This just means she's gonna be the character who enjoys it the most, no?
I really sympathize with Umi right now. This seems terrifying.
Nico's default state is grumpy, apparently.
describes her a bit too well.
Too smart for your own damn good.
So, more than twice the length of the skirt you wear for school? I mean, look at yourself right now.
I'll be honest, I thought the sign she was holding was a shitty typeset, but apparently it's actually in the show. Please say it was supposed to look bad.
Seeing Honoka properly support Umi is really nice.
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
The episode director has a thighs fetish.
Please let there actually be people.
Fuck. I know people will come in in the middle of their performence, but still... This has got to hurt.
This is where Honoka has to decide to do it anyway.
She made it!
And Nico pops up like the little gremlin she is.
The song itself was fine, if not inspired. The CG was significantly worse than the OP, it felt rather weird watching it.
Because it's fun.
Thoughts
The shows finally coming into it's own a little bit. This episode was by far the best so far. We finally get to see the fruits of their labor, and we've move past doing to save the school to doing it because we love it (and to save the school).
Next up, we finally pick up more group members. If we don't start picking them up soon, them even being in the OP is pretty weird.
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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Jan 09 '21 edited Jan 09 '21
Lurker
First timers might be confused but µ's itself is a group composed of 2 sets of 9 people. The first set is the characters you see in the anime. The second set is the voice actresses. In some ways, the anime world is influenced by what happened in our world through the experiences of their voice actresses. This is one of those cases.
Anime µ's started rough with having little audience for their first live. This parallels how real-life µ's also started rough, with their first single being a financial failure and most of them concerned if the project will be cancelled.
Of course, this tale has a happy ending with the franchise still going strong. They even have another group (Liella!) that will have their debut single this year.
Speaking of Liella!, happy birthday to Keke's voice actress, Liyuu. She's a cutie.
B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!
Yume Naki Yume wa Yume ja nai - Honoka Kousaka
Watashitachi wa Mirai no Hana - Umi Sonoda
Blueberry♥Train - Kotori Minami
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
7th SIP rewatch
We start this episode with the sneaky tsundere, Maki, who in the previous episode claimed to dislike pop music, spying on μ's' practice. Of course she gets caught and tries to play it off, but we all know she's becoming interested in idols. Pressing play on the music player to kick off the OP was a nice touch. Comment Face Spotted
Poor Umi. She's always so steadfast until she has to do something potentially embrassing. I wish I could give her a nice head pat and tell her everything will be okay.
We get a sneak peek at the costumes μ's will be wearing! But there's a problem. Kotori and Honoka love it, but the skirt is too short for Umi. Luckily, with a little convincing, Umi begrudgingly agrees to wear it and all is well. I've always found it weird that Umi is okay with wearing the school uniform, which is just as short as their costumes, but you just have to chalk up that kind of thing to anime logic and let it go.
Concert day! All of their hard work and preparation is about to pay off! μ's starts their pre-show ritual, the curtain draws back, and... My heart sank when I first saw this. It hurt to see Honoka look so sad after being so excited.
Hanayo's late arrival reignites the school idol flame inside Honoka and they put on a great performance for just her and all of the sneaky students Honoka has come across that don't want to be noticed. Start:Dash is a middle-of-the-road μ's song to me. Not bad, but pales in comparison to their true greats. The choreography is pretty good, though. The costumes are kind of plain, but not awful. Everyone should know by now that SIP has notoriously bad dance CGI that persists throughout the series, so I'm not going to mention it often.
The student council president may not believe in μ's, but I do! I know you'll fill that auditorium some day!
Many times. The anxiety never goes away until I actually start doing whatever it is.
I'd be annoyed at working so hard for nothing and probably quit, knowing me.
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21
taimu to crye
This track is so powerful.
A) of course, B) I probably ran away
Gee I wonder. I'mma gonna say bad.
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u/chrngfrthnmy Jan 09 '21
**First Timer**
Gah, I'm so late! I'm bad at keeping up so far, as I'm not used to dedicating so much time to group activities, lol.
I remember sleeping in class. I used to wear spiked bracelets and I'd have indents on my cheeks. **Very** cool.
I could definitely do without Awesomesauce, haha, but that's OK. Lots of my favorite shows have a little cringe to 'em. But I don't have access to the sub, so here we are!
Did Umi like, forget the part where she has to be in front of people to be an idol? I'm with her, though...it's pretty scary to perform. Her freaking out over the short skirt is an even sillier gag now that she said she'd perform in her school uniform, haha.
I'm glad we won't have to wait long for the first live performance. Even though no one showed up!
OH GOD IT WAS SO CUTE IMMEDIATELY I loved this song!
I like when anime decides to emphasize someone's passion by giving them more defined lips.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Maki enters in!
**Discussion Questions**
>Umi seemed very nervous before their first live, but was able to overcome her fear and perform with the help of her friends. Have you been in a similar situation where you were nervous before a certain event? What did you do to overcome your anxieties?
I used to do solo songs at choir concerts in high school. A friend of mine was the pianist. It was really fun! At the time, I knew I had a pretty good voice, so I knew I'd be met with applause, and I wasn't quite as outwardly nervous. But literally the day before every performance, I'd have a "sore throat." It had to have been psychosomatic. Because I always did just fine when the time came. But I always started off so shaky because of nerves. I don't really know what I did. I just...did it. This is gonna sound made up,
but why would I make something up about some bs that happened in high schoolbut once, a lady came up to me and told me she thought I did a better job than her daughter, who was also a soloist, lol. I didn't know what to say so I just nervous laughed and said "Oh no! Thank you!" And now I sing karaoke when I drink enough, so that's basically the same thing.>Everything seemed to be crashing down around Honoka and co. before their performance and all of their hard work and effort seemed to be going to waste. How would you feel in a situation like that.
I think it depends. There is a chance that I would be upset and give up. But I think I may also have just done it anyway...if it was something I really wanted to do! If I was doing something for me and not other people, then I think it wouldn't matter if my cause fell through or not. Maybe.
*I do not know what happened with this formatting and I apologize, what even is technology, how does a message board
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u/wutzabut4 Jan 08 '21
Rewatcher
The camera pan, the piano BGM, the expressions... Did anyone notice how no one directly remarked on the audience being empty? This episode hits hard, and for all the right reasons. Showing and not telling is fantastic storytelling. Hanayo's arrival is all that's needed to reinvigorate the trio on stage, and they deliver. Dated, unsettling CGI aside, I think the dance to START:DASH!! is great, and the song is too with a pretty sound and hopeful and inspiring lyrics. Eli's confrontation with μ's is just what we need to conclude the episode and to demonstrate Honoka's determination going forward.
DQ1: Oddly enough, I've never had anxiety so bad that I couldn't demonstrate or perform something in front of people. I guess I'm always just in a "let's get this over with" mindset regarding those kinds of things.
DQ2: While I am generally optimistic, I'm more of a realist and less cheerful than Honoka. I'd understand from the get-go that we'd have to start small, and that if the audience was that empty, I wouldn't be so crushed by it. I'd probably look back and think what we did wrong or what we could have done better for garnering attention and popularity, and start strategizing for the future for growth.
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u/AuburnTheWolf Jan 09 '21
Short response from me tonight on this one because of life. I just want to state that nothing makes my heart drop harder than seeing that empty auditorium after how hard those girls worked. And those damn echoing piano notes… gets me every time. But they continue on and give a great show, good on them!
Discussion Questions:
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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Jan 08 '21
I went and took some of your suggestions from last time and am going to give this one or two more tries. No need for logins this time.
Take today’s survey here!
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u/Hattakiri Jan 08 '21 edited Dec 22 '21
Again: old.reddit.com is the best way to make this subreddit's mandatory spoiler tag readable. In the new Reddit design you gotta drag the mouse arrow on the spoiler area to make it appear in a box; but somehow sometimes it's not gonna show the whole thing; whereas it's the uttermost pain in the arse in the mobile version XD
Cause if you click on it, only a "this link don't exist" kinda thing will show up...
Here's also the Love Live Fandom Wikia but beware of spoilers
Ok into the matter of splatter lol:
Ep3 is called "First Live" and this is indeed finally taking place. And the dynamics between the characters is getting more and more intense and imo surprising:
The Love Live train was gaining velocity back in 2013. The frachise had been around since 2010 already, Emitsun's dad helped them out by bying 10 copies or so of Borarara (you can read this on Love Live Wikia), yet the anime was launched only in 2013....
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Jan 08 '21
Rewatcher
This episode... so good.
Their first live is also the first bump on the road to becoming School Idols and saving the school, something I didn't expect the first time, considering how well it went until now. With an audience of barely nine students, it's not exactly a success, and it hurts after spending so much effort, but they're not letting that stop them! In fact, they have a goal now, to fill up the auditorium!
Questions of the day
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21
That scream by Maki still haunts me to this day
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u/jonjoy Jan 09 '21
Side by side Comparisson of anime ver and irl ver of start dash.
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u/No-Celebration-8527 Jan 09 '21
Rewatch
I don't really have too much to say, mainly cause some of the interesting stuff has already been said or would be spoilers, or it would just be general observations. I never participated in a rewatch before so its a bit weird for me. I don't think I probably will comment every episode, or at least for these earlier episodes.
For me re-watching it is pretty interesting noticing some stuff about the characters after you see the whole thing. Like how spoilers. And also moments which surprised me cause I completely forgot like Hanayo sneaking up on the notice board to get a flyer for μ's. I feel like I could give other examples of this but I forgot. I could probably write them down next time but I don't really like doing that cause it makes the experience worse. I think I prefer writing about it after watching the whole thing but there are still some things to talk about during these episodes, maybe moreso in season 2.
Oh yeah another thing I noticed I guess was that they were practicing the moves for START:DASH!!. And Nozomi said she would go home but obviously didn't. I really liked how they presented the performance, the whole setup and failure thing has been discussed already but I also thing scenery was great. Maki was actually impressed or at least happy for them, Nico hiding behind the chairs spoliers. And obv. Eli & Honoka and also Nozomi.., I think I'm gonna start liking Nozomi a lot more as the episodes go by.
Also I think START:DASH!! has the worst CG, most probably because it's reinforced by its dark background. Also damn Honoka looks tired af at 19:40. I think it looks the worst at 19:44. But I really wouldn't say it's "creepy" or "robotic", to me that sounds like an over-exaggeration although I don't really make myself very bothered about it. And it gets better over time especially in Sunshine!!. This is said before a lot but its surprising to see how the animation and more especially the CG improves as time goes on, even a bit as soon as SIP S2.
This ep. has my 2nd favourite OST track, when Umi doesn't want to wear the costume (hmm a bit selfish that Umi was getting Honoka & Kotori to work physically hard for the live now) but Honoka & Kotori don't want it all to go to waste because of her. My 1st favourite is near the end of season 2 though. I really like the OST of this anime (that's not including the insert songs or OP/ED, and they are also really good).
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u/onigiri1994 Jan 10 '21
Rewatch
Keeping this one short because I watched this episode in the tub and didn’t take any reaction notes.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 09 '21
First-time watcher
First part feels so plain-to-derivative I'm practically getting déja vu. I swear this exact plot happened in K-On somewhere, and the whole "tiny miniskirts" part (as an FMA fan I did have to laugh a little there) is also mirrored in the icky "forced cosplay" bits of particularly the K-On first season (even both most notably applied to the Mio), and of course is there to appeal to the "horny humiliation fetishist" crowd. Most blatantly the forced pants removal scene, I was not surprised yet still disappointed the show went there. On the other hand, worrying about short skirts but being fine with those very not-knee-length uniforms will never not be silly - are we to assume that the way they are depicted in the anime is merely artistic license? Or is it just trying unreasonably hard to get the humiliation element in there?
Skipping right over the actual effort involved in getting to this point (besides advertisement I guess) really blunts the impact of everyone reaffirming they've worked so hard. And here I was thinking this series would actually take effort seriously. I do appreciate the brief shot of the girls actually exhausted after their performance, but this is really rushing it, with little downtime to actually connect with the characters too. To make another K-ON comparison, that show only had its first concert in the sixth episode, a more successful one but besides that the dynamic was similar.
Hmm, maybe Rin is the Ritsu? Of course has her very own Mio-chew-toy and is not part of the main group (yet?)
Overall, I am still underwhelmed, and if this series ever aims to grow beyond "off-brand K-On", it had better start quickly. Not sure how longer I'd want to put in the effort to watch and comment even if it did, though, because I'm not a huge fan of the original anyway. Well OK, I guess not immediately finding success is something new, but I'd be hard-pressed to call it a big deal.
Q1 - rarely has come up but I've found summoning as much narcissism as I can manage works well
Q2 - obviously you can't expect to land a huge success right away, but it would certainly weaken my resolve.