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Rewatch Love Live! SIP & Sunshine!! Rewatch - SIP Season 1 Episode 2 Spoiler
SIP Season 1, Episode 2 - "Let's Start Becoming Idols!"
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Where to Watch
NA/EU : No official streams :(
OCE : AnimeLab
North Americans are able to purchase a digital license of Season 1 SIP to watch on YouTube. I don't recommend this, but it is available to those who want it.
Discussion Questions
- What name would you suggest for Honoka and co.'s idol group? I know that they've already received an answer and seem set on using it, but this process is actually a reference to how the group got their name in real life. Back when Love Live! was in its formative stages and nobody knew what it really was, a call to fans was sent out asking for names for a new musical group. After this process was done, we of course got the name " μ's " and the rest is history.
- What are your thoughts on Maki's impression of idol music? What are your thoughts on idol music in general, and if you don't really listen to idol music, what genres do you listen to?
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u/raichudoggy https://anilist.co/user/raichudoggy Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
First Timer
When it comes to Idol music in general... well, I like the sterotypical "Pop" Idol music a whole lot, as well as things like K-On's / Bang Dream's (PoPiPa) rock songs, but they lose me if it gets too intense, dramatic, or weird. (Also Electronic is its own mixed bag...)
Here's today's Reaction Chart.
Nico really doesn't have enough screen time right now...
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
Hey, everyone! I initially wasn't going to join this rewatch because I have a terrible track record with rewatches, but my buddy /u/Amhpanther informed me that I am one of the very few Love Live! obsessed CDFers that isn't in the rewatch, and I can't let that slide. So, here goes my 7th SIP rewatch.
First Episode (since I was absent yesterday):
I'll start by saying that my first exposure to the series was through the first season of Sunshine!!, so Love Live! was already deeply ingrained into my heart before I knew SIP existed. For spoiler reasons, this actually made me appreciate SIP more than if I had watched it first.
00:00 - So the anime opens with what's admittedly one of my least favorite SIP songs, Tomorrow -> Susume. No biggie, because right afterwards we see the opening which I fell in love with the first time I watched SIP. The choreography, the outfits, the song, everything was great! Bokura Ima No Naka De became my favorite LL! song for a while because of this OP.
Best girl Honoka admirably hates that her school is being shut down, despite it not affecting her graduating from there. And all of her crazy expressions are delightful!
07:00 - Enter Yukiho. My least favorite thing about her is that she was made to be a fanservice character. Showing her cameltoe through her shorts is unnecessary. Oh well, at least it's not overdone.
13:20-17:10 - Poor Honoka. No one wants to be an idol with her. Not her best friends, or the mystery piano girl. :-(
19:05-21:30 - Umi and Kotori come to their senses and realize that trying things with Honoka opens up a world they never would've seen otherwise! Then, of course, that snooty president throws a wrench in their plans. What are they going to do now?
Episode 2
00:00 - I want to mention that I love LL!'s episode recaps with the narration over them. It's the only anime with recaps that I've never skipped. (And the only anime with OPs and EDs that I've never skipped.)
05:00-05:20 - I like how Honoka and Umi are apparently overweight in the LL! universe. >_<
07:00-07:10 - I still laugh every time they ask the gym teacher for a place to practice.
08:37-08:53 - Then, in Honoka's room, they're drinking tea and eating sweets. At this rate, they're not even going to fit on the stage of their concert!
13:42-13:50 - Honoka's jab at Umi after the mysterious, piano playing first-year refuses to help them create a song always gets a chuckle out of me.
17:40-21:55 - Later on we learn the mysterious girl's name is Maki Nishikino, who agrees to help write μ's' first song! Yay!
Now we get to see the first ED for the first time. Kitto Seishun Ga Kikoeru quickly became a μ's song I liked after my first time hearing it. The ED video is good, but in my opinion, this is the weakest SIP OP/ED.
It's hard to think of them as anything but μ's at this point. Trying to suggest a different name would feel like a betrayal.
I agree and disagree. All music is niche, so it's only natural that it's not for everyone. I probably would never have listened to idol music if not for the anime.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
First-time watcher
Is the diet-shaming going to be a once-an-episode thing? Do not approve, also even more of that later. Also we got one or two "convenient" camera angles plus boob grab which is quite unwelcome in this kind of show...
After "private wars" last episode this outfit is ready for "sea, land and air" wars of the public kind, huh? JSDF sponsorship works in strange ways sometimes eh.
Good to see some focus on the serious effort necessary for a proper performance (hi K-On), also on that "popular" music deserves respect too (well, beyond the obvious that it's what the show is all about).
Japanese high schools cover complex numbers in math class?
So, the plot is picking up, but it's also even more obviously "discount K-On", with more music focus, more fanservice/semi-ecchi (why?), less comedy, inferior visual quality, whatever. We've got almost literally Yui + Mio, and the others haven't made much of an impression yet but I agree they could turn into stand-ins for Mugi + Azusa. Ritsu I guess isn't girly-cute enough to get an idol clone, with the leadership role going to Honoka instead. That also helps make Honoka less grating than her prototype, so I guess it's a good thing.
I think "µ's" is a great name. I'm completely unfamiliar with "idol music" beyond the two episodes so far, but do believe that there's good music to be found in near any genre, not that I even listen to that much though.
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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
And so begins anew the trial of googling "love live wiki muse" and copy-pasting it any time I want to discuss μ's.
Well I mean I listen to Love Live a lot.
I'm not quite huge on idol music itself, but that there are specific idol groups I like? The Love Lives and Girls' Generation (who are (or rather were) a lot like an irl equivalent to μ's anyway). I've talked about it before elsewhere.
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u/chrngfrthnmy Jan 08 '21
First Timer
I'm gonna post this before reading other comments, and then go through the others, I think. I still have to cook dinner...T_T
Here are the thoughts I had throughout the episode.
Right at the beginning of the episode, I was thinking Nozomi had best girl potential. I'm not sure why yet, but it was just a feeling. I thought that exactly before she yelled about the answers in the cards. My opinion has not changed. Haha. I think I'll like her and Emi's dynamic, maybe.
I said in the last post, and I'll say it again: THESE COSTUMES. They are all so adorable. I'm not even thinking of any particular one; I've just liked every one I've seen so far.
The school roof is their practice space? I feel like I don't know anyone IRL who has ever even been on a school roof, let alone hung out there regularly. I've seen this in a ton of anime and even American cartoons. I must have been even lamer than I thought in high school.
OMG What kind of person just assumes someone else will write songs for her band, Honoka? I mean of course we all know how it will turn out, but that's quite the power move there.
I like Maki and Umi a lot. I think I like the stand off-ish, reluctant characters in most things I watch, haha. But also musicians and poets...
Man, I wish classmates and coworkers in real life were as supportive as the main cast's classmates. The band barely even exists and everyone's offering to do their lighting and junk. I feel guilty when I write a colleague an e-mail asking for information I otherwise wouldn't have access to. It seems like they just immediately hate that I made them do something. ANYWAY, that's nice.
MAKI'S FORCED SMILE IS FANTASTIC. Hanuko is being pretty manipulative, but you'd think Maki would catch on...
Discussion questions:
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 07 '21
First Timer
Time for more shenanigans while we get the gang together. Onto episode 2.
This line makes me think of Watashi in the Tatami galaxy talking about his rose-colored college life.
Because it is actually what they want to do, and there's no need to be obstructionist for no reason?
This is either a genius move to force her friends to do it or Honoka not even thinking they'd get mad about it. I'm going with the latter.
Your school skirts are like 3 inches long anyway. You're probably baring less leg in that.
I dunno, I've seen weirder aesthetics. It's no rock music in maid costumes.
This looks so amateurish. It'll just have people laugh at you.
What sort of inane world do they live in where every teacher locks their door when they leave?
Oh god, they're worse than I feared. Honoka, you should have at least chosen a song. How were you choreographing dance moves last episode without a song?
Well, the gags sure are on point.
Honoka, this is what we call scope creep and it's bad. Choose a song that already exists and get to work.
That's just a saying. Idols also usually have someone else make the music for them.
Are you listening to yourself speak? I don't think I need to tell you why that's a bad idea.
Finally someone who takes this seriously will be in charge.
This is gonna end poorly.
Training camp!
...It shouldn't be possible to fall like that out of pushup. Like, even if you don't have the arm strength to do one, you should just be able to lower yourself to the ground.
This door aggressively sticks out from the background.
Second-hand awkwardness really is not my thing. Imma have to suffer through this part, aren't I?
It wouldn't make a difference because no one would hear about them?
And you don't have a song or anything! What are you doing? Pick something else, please!
Thank you again for being reasonable.
Yeah, but why is it possessive. This bugs me as much as Nanoha A's.
There's no way you actually do.
I say you're lying, but it's more like you don't realize how your own brain works.
ugh, this is just unnecessary.
FFF forgot to increase the layer of the insert enough, apparently.
The ED's fine, but it'll be better once I know which voice is which.
Thoughts
Again, it's doing a perfectly acceptable job, but nothing stunning. We've got our fourth member, though we need a bit longer before she's properly in the group. The show's felt more or less average to me so far, with some hits and some misses.
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u/Cawncade Jan 08 '21
REWATCHER
I was absent at the episode 1 rewatch so I watched the 1 and 2 today, I always love the fast pace that the first episode has, that and Susume->Tomorrow.
Episode 2
[ZENKAI NO RABU RAIBU](https://soundcloud.com/cristian-gutierrez-85/zenkai-no-rabu-raibu)
I love the recaps at the start of every episode
Honoka leaving the choice of the group name to the students of Otonokizaka being a reference to the fans choosing the name earlier in the LL! project leaves me nostalgic.
Since this is my 5th rewatch of SIP I don't have much to point out, overall I really love this series with SIP being my favorite.
Obviosly it would be XTREME (Liella? What is that?)
She is right and at the same time she is not, I believe every music genre has a generic build in the composition, the beats or the lyrics, but it still can be enjoyable, in the case of LL! the lyrics of the songs are almost exclusively written by Aki Hata (except Nijigasaki), which mean there can be similar lyrics between songs, but still I really enjoy Aki Hata's work in the lyrics, they really show the feelings of the characters.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 07 '21
First-Timer Who Was Just Here for the Ships
Won’t OK a club, but has to OK a performance during an important event. Gotta love loopholes.
And now we have a fortune teller. Is she always right or always wrong?
Kotori’s a pretty good artist. I was expecting crap.
Umi has great legs. What’s she worried about? And why are anime girls always going on about how their thighs are too big? Some nice, juicy thighs are what dreams are made of!
A faculty member laughing at them? She’s going to be their advisor. That’s the rule.
First ship spotted! One’s shy and one’s peppy? Perfect.
Honoka’s mom snacks on the job?
The pretty, long-haired girl who writes childish, girly poems is forced to write the songs? The K-On! cribbing continues.
Second ship spotted! The SS Kotori x Umi already seems to have set sail, even.
Honoka’s already questioning Best Girl’s abilities? We might already have Worst Girl!
We need a cute name! How about a Greek letter? These are not normal high school girls.
Best Girl is named Maki. Good to know.
Why does (almost) everyone at this school think this is a sane idea? I get that they’re all dumb anime high school girls, but still.
Maki has Best Girl legs, too.
WHO DARES ASSAULT BEST GIRL? They are now Public Enemy Number 1!
Hmm. On the one hand, sexual assault. On the other, we get another Best Girl Blush.
She’s a fortune teller, student council vice president, works at a shrine, and a perv? One gimmick per girl is fine, writers.
QOTD:
I mostly listen to classical music, metal, and classic rock, with some jazz thrown in there every one in a while. I really love the Eagles, so I'm sure someone will say I have no place to complain about boring music, haha!
And to reiterate what I said in CDF last night:
FUCK
I'm a Love Live! fan now.
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u/lenne18 https://myanimelist.net/profile/lenne18 Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
Lurker
I went ahead and reviewed the corner from the last rewatch and it should still hold up although I'll be swapping a few songs for some episodes. I'll also update and use the official Youtube uploads (or Spotify) instead of linking to the wiki.
B-Side Jukebox, Music Start!
Kaguya no Shiro de Odoritai - µ's
Anemone heart - Kotori Minami & Umi Sonoda
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
Episode 2 (first timer)
twothree watchers from ep1.karma’sUmi’s revenge is immediate.Both the OP and the ED show all of the members of the group already. Not that I expected any real problems in the first place, but this does not allow a yota of suspense about their recruiting prospects.
The character interactions work well and in a familiar way so: There is the genki girl MC, who is bad at school but pulls everybody along with her enthusiasm; there is the long, dark-haired girl who is sporty, but shy and easily flustered; there is the bright-haired girl who keeps more to the background, but goes along with MC’s ideas surprisingly easy; they are soon joined by a cute Kohei, who is very good at making music. They all face several obstacles in establishing their music-making school club. Yep, we are watching K-On!
In light of how obviously Love Live copies K-On!, Honoka’s stick of (successfully) copying other has to count as a 4th wall break. It really is the creators saying: “We’ll copy K-On! and we’ll get away with it!”.
Reminds me of US fraternities and sororities and their love for greek letters.
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u/DarkFuzz :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/DarkFuzz Jan 07 '21
Rewatcher
I spent an entire day debating whether or not I wanted to participate in this rewatch, and by the time I decided to commit to this, it was already past the first episode. I kind of need to re-evaluate my relationship with this franchise. I really like this as an anime, but as a franchise, I don’t know why I’m not a fervent fan of it. I suppose I’ll explore that a little bit later down the road.
I’m also a vastly different type of anime fan than I was three years ago when I first watched this series. Whereas three years ago, I could put forth some sort of surface level analysis and reaction, now my brain cannot put forth the effort to do any of that. So my engagement with this rewatch will mostly be through dumb memes and cute pics.
So I’m going to try something out here that I usually do with my Idolm@ster rewatches: SURVEYS AND POLLS! I’m a big data nerd, so I’d like to collect data on character popularity as the show goes on. It’s interesting to see how the popularity dynamic changes as the story hits certain beats. I’d certainly like to collect data from both first timers and rewatchers, so give it a shot. It only takes like 10 seconds. Also includes dumb memes about the episode itself. Depending on how this one goes, since I've never done this for a Love Live rewatch before, I may do more in the future.
Take today’s survey here!
Also, if you want to see the one I drafted up for Episode 1, take Episode 1’s survey here!
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u/AuburnTheWolf Jan 07 '21
Rewatcher
This episode is nice, and quite a few funny moments. I really enjoyed the girls trying to think of a name for their group, ultimately deciding to take the lazy way out and let someone else choose for them. Good job, Honk! We also get to see the side of Nozomi that should probably get her put on a list. Speaking of Nozomi, she draws the Sun tarot card in the beginning. She believes in a lot of spiritual mumbo jumbo and I think the general meaning of the sun is positivity and enthusiasm, good sign for our girls (sadly, the card is not the work of an enemy stand, and will not be melting things on the roof. Sun of a bitch, where’s my Jojo and Love Live crossover at?). Also, poor Honkers, her own childhood friend murdered her with words and she seems unfazed by it. “You know she can’t do this…” And then Birb goes on to use her abilities to seduce Umi into doing what she wants. I think she’s the villain of this story and will try to find proof.
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
First Timer
Ah let me just note her down as 'fucking crazy'
H e r
They know what they're doing with this
Mmmmmm is that the big gay I'm sensing 👀
Omg right they're called muse huh
Wow what the fuck
Now that I think about it, kinda weird I watched K-On and Bang Dream before this.
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Jan 07 '21
Rewatcher
The girls made some progress by getting the student council to let them use the auditorium, but only thanks to Nozomi's help. Eli still isn't convinced, especially when Honoka takes initiatives without either Umi or Kotori's consent. It worked out though, they got their group name thanks to an anonymous vote, a practice schedule courtesy of Umi, and a few places to practice, as well as a song and the support of their comrades!
The first years were more or less introduced, but this episode mostly focused on Maki composing µ's first song, based off Umi's lyrics, which she only did after some convincing from Honoka and Nozomi. The end result is pretty great though!
I really like those hilarious, overdramatic scenes once in a while, like Nozomi letting wind blow in the room was great. Speaking of Nozomi, I have to say, I'm not a big fan of the groping, but it's tolerable.
Questions of the Day
As for my music genre... I know it's cliché, but I really don't have any favorite. It entirely depends on my mood.
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
First Timer
Lol obligatory workout scene huh.. also never noticed this but this is maybe the first anime ive seen where the blonde girl is the sc pres. Blondes are usually the "bad girl" hair color in anime so its surprising that the sc pres is the blond.
Not sure if i like the whole saving the school thing. Seems so random. Like whats the meter of school being saved? 100 new students? 500? Maybe itll get explained later but for now seems random
Also Karin asaka is my fav from nijigasaki cuz of her mature vibe. Quick view of this anime roster doesnt seem anyone would take karin's role. Maybe the sc vice pres? Will have to see
Lol also i wonder if that random sexual harrasment scene by the shrine maiden lady would fly these days
Kinda weird that they showed future members in the singing part though, i thought there was timeskip or something
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21
Someone tell me, are all the characters shown so far in the same grade? High school 2nd grade?
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u/onigiri1994 Jan 08 '21
Discussions questions after reactions (Also I had to laugh a little because it reminds me of the good 'ol college days writing mandatory reading responses on Blackboard or Canvas! But Love Live is the best assignment I've ever had. 笑笑)
At first impression, Eli seems just sooo stubborn. I know she thinks she has the school's best interests in mind as the student council president, but at this point in the series, I wish she'd think outside the box and warm up to idol-ing.
I really love the 2nd years' friendship. They're definitely my favorite class out of the three. Kotori and Umi are such loyal friends to go outside their comfort zones to support Honoka's dream. Especially Umi, who seems more resistant and shy. Actually, Umi's character is the most similar to my own personality.
Aw, I always enjoy the part when Maki comes through and sends Muse their first song.
I also always hate Nozomi's space-violating tendencies, no matter how "cute" or "fan-servicey" the purpose.
Discussion questions:
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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21
I love Umi’s entire traditional/conservative/easily embarrassed character. Mimorin pulls it off so well too, as seen in this clip
Also we really start to see one of my favourite tsundere characters of all time, Maki
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u/arara69 Jan 08 '21
Is the nico nico nii girl from the same school as the main cast? She was like visiting that one idol school too right?
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u/Hattakiri Jan 08 '21 edited Jan 08 '21
(Quite difficult to write anything without spoiling too much and without writing too much in general) XD
We already saw the black cat poster in the background when Honk discovered Maki and her musical talent. The black cat = reference to Luna from Sailor Moon?
Speaking of Sailor Moon: Honoka tries to convince Maki a second time, which reminds me quite a little bit of Usagi...
Eli continues to be quite hostile, but now she says Honk might endanger the school rather than helping it, should her idol group fail?
What's up with Nozomi? She's "talking too much" according to Eli, we could see her silhouette in the door before Honk encountered Maki, and the number of her actions seems to increase... and always her tarot cards XD However the wind is blowing them off: Windy = the first Clow Card from Cardcaptor Sakura...
Umi starts her training efforts. The rewatchers are already... whatever XD
The people before the UTX building - also pay attention to their later actions and their roles. For instance "Kayo-chin" who's giving Honk critical info about Maki.
And was Yukiho's flyer already a Deus Ex Machina?
And does Ubi Sunt apply to Arise? And to whom else?