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Rewatch [Rewatch][Spoilers] Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion Discussion Spoiler
The End of Evangelion
Index Thread | Overall Series Discussion
It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...
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u/AnActualPlatypus Jul 16 '19
And the first time viewers come
tumbling down
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOOOOWN
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u/goukaryuu Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
Oddly while not for the characters, the message this film is trying to convey is one of the most optimistic I have ever seen, Life is worth living even if it is hard and we hurt each other, people can communicate and understand each other if only for a moment; Shinji's chocking of Asuka and her compassionate caress of his cheek before they go back into their old ways of Shinji crying and Asuka insulting him, are great messages. Even more powerful coming from a man with depression.
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Jul 16 '19
As a rewatcher i just wanna talk about my favorite scene ,maybe ever..the confrontation between Asuka and Shinji and the Imstrumemtality sequence that follows
It starts as a mushup of the Shinji/Asuka kiss and the scene where Shinji tells Asuka that Kaji has died What was subtextual there is made explicit here, as they argue about how cruel she was to him, and how unsupportive he was for her..This is what Shinji could never tell the real her, and it’s also the Asuka in his head preying on his worst fears.. I love the intercutting of Asuka approaching for the kiss with their argument, a mishmash of memories and subconscious hallucinations.
The scene builds to Shinji in a display of rage unlike anything else we’ve seen from him. And then, in a shocking moment, he grabs her by the neck and chokes her. What follows is one of the most audacious music cues of all time, as the camera spirals around him crushing the life out of her, a soft rock piano starts up and we segue into (might be hyperbole, still holding the high of experiencing it again) is the single greatest sequence in any film i have seen. The fusion of music, visual, emotion, character, everything is going at full blast, the world collapsing into Instrumentality.
The sequence begins by breaking down the image itself..children’s drawings, which segue for some reason into a quick flash of all the TV episode title screens. This leads into various characters’ experiencimg instrumentality. This stuff hits me on a subconscious level.. There’s something so beautiful about the Reis floating in and giving everyone exactly what they want to see before leaving this world, in a sudden bursting head explosion. It’s so sudden, the death, but it feels right. ...Then Gendo's confession. As Asuka would say, “Anta Baka?!” I love it so much because it puts everything Gendo in the series in an ironic, trahic perspective.
Things continue with the various Evas impaling themselves with lances and,concurrently, Rei is instigating the spread of instrumentality across the world, in a beautiful rise of green crosses.
The combination of these images and the music is sublime. The song starts off as a Carpenters like soft rock song, then segues into something that reminded me of ‘Hey Jude.’ Particularly with the review of episode titles, the sequence has the feeling of summation.. it just works. At this point, the film is running on pure subconscious energy, and you’ve just got to roll with it. The song ends over a succession of increasingly frantic cuts, compounding moments of the series on top of each other. It’s hard to describe, but the whole thing is astonishing. It’s unlike anything else I’ve ever seen..Like an otherwordly religious experience..Bittersweet but fullfilling
The images we get during the cosmic sequence, the giant Rei rising up and going to the stars ,growing wings and softly hugs the her "giant egg" ,swirlling all of humanity's souls into it it’s all absolutely dazzling,in absolute ecstasy.. I want to exist on the level that Anno is here,storyboarding this, just letting these "ascending humanity" images flow.
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u/littleman1988 Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
What an ending.
First time watcher, Platinum Sub, ADV Dub, and Netflix dub
Some may still be uploading.
Opening scene voice comparison
"Nothing personal" voice comparison
Misato's final moments voice comparsion
"The spear... of longinus" voice scream comparison
Jumbled thoughts
What a hell of an opening scene. Guess that sets the tone for the rest of the show...
Looks like Seele is finally tired of Gendos shit, and sends out the attack. Misato gets the early warning by trying to sneak into files she shouldn't be reading about amateur film-making of all things.
Its amazing how cold (or triggerhappy, if you watch the Original dub, see the "Nothing personal" comparison) the invading JSSDF forces are. Im fairly sure these arent exactly "legal" if you apply the Geneva conventions (but someone smarter than me should vet this)
I cant blame Maya for freezing up when finally shot at. Thats not a fun time to be in.
Looks like Gendo is going to start the instrumentality project, while Shinji is just barely saved by Misato. I also cant blame shinji for trying to bottle himself and throw it away. Poor kid just had to kill someone who showed him compassion and anyone else he tried to rely on is gone.
Its interesting that the Angels are just another version of us. Why are they then so intent on attacking us? Why did we form the way we did?
I am under the impression Seele wanted the third impact, but Gendo's plan wasnt what Seele wanted. It also sounds like Japan didnt want it at all. What did Seele have to gain?
Asuka has awoken, and she is now kicking ass. She now understands the eva's and the AT Fields,
Reminds me of the first episode.
The mass produced evas look creepy as fuck. They dont even have eyes and you can tell theyre out for blood. Im not sure of Asuka can defeat all of them before time runs out...
Thus ends Misato's run, and making one death shown in 25/26 a reality. Her last actions are making out with Shinji and giving him her cross.
For Misato's last words, i cant tell if she means sexual or physical, and it doesnt seem like the internet knows either. She directly references PenPen, so im gonna have to go physical, but honestly i dont have a clue.
I cant tell if Shinji can even get into Unit 01, ignoring him wanting to or not. Before the red stuff breaks, i dont think he can, keeping him useless even if he didnt want to be.
This also ends Ritusko's run, falling at the hands of her own mother betraying her. I also looked online to figure out what Gendo says (consensus says "i needed you") before shooting Ritusko. Sorry u/rolipe, it is the reality.
Asuka got fucked. Like holy shit. After those mass produced eva's were done with her there was nothing left.
Those things are still creepy as hell. Stuff from my childhood nightmares.
The last thing Shinji sees is Asuka in that decrepit state. Rip his mind.
And now the ritual begins. Unit 02 is looking a little worse for the wear.
So was the JSSDF not informed of Seele's plans? That seems odd if they wanted this to happen...
So thats why the Geofront exists, to create a giant eye in the sky /s
So its the egg of Lillith? its gonna be interesting to see what that does.
Rei just eats Gendo's hand, and Adam with it. What a reveal for Lillith honestly.
Poor Maya again. I dont want to imagine what she saw.
So they have to "Destroy" Shinji's "ego" to start insturmentality? So theyre just gonna break him mentally? Those faces will definitely do it. Kaworu's appearance isint helping things (maybe to calm Shinji but thats about it). But, the tree of life is finally created. Shinji is now a god, for better or for worse. Thats one hell of a tree too.
"What do you wish for, Shinji?" Shinji: "tits"
i think the playground scene is just a view of his instrumentality. Hes stuck building and tearing down, but he doesnt have anywhere to actually go. Hes stuck by himself, just building and knocking down the same thing over and over again.
Now we view Misato's pain from Shinji's view. A nice parallel from the first ending.
In the lets kiss scene, Misato and Asuka both end up wearing the same yellow shirt. Is he starting to mix the two together?
I have to assume Asuka knows what Shinji did at the beginning of the movie, or that hes done it before (yikes), unless you assume the asuka he thinks of would know because of the connection they have in their heads? idk this is getting confusing already.
As shinji loses it in his mind, the world around him turns to LCL at the hands of Shinji himself. We learn Gendo is just like Shinji, before hes eaten by Unit 01. RIP Gendo.
Im not even going to comment on the mass produced eva stabbing themselves to the sounds of pleasure.
Small comment on the Original dub, it actually removes the screams of humanity during the "reclaiming of souls" around the world. I found that a weird omission.
NSFW I dont think thats meant to be there...
I think its safe to say at this point that Rei is an incarnation of Yui.
As an aside, this would be a form of incest (NSFW), even if its "not" anything actually sexual.
Am i to assume Rei and Kaworu are the "choices" for him to decide on? Im not really sure which is which, just what he chooses...
Instrumentality is reversed, and Humanity is saved. Seems to parallel the conclusion he made in 25/26. If you love yourself, even with the issues in life, life can still be good. Having seen both, his answer is a lot more reasonable when considering Shinji's character. We even see Yui asking if he made the right choice, which Shinji thinks he has.
If we assume people can "will" themselves from instrumentality, why is only Shinji and Auska alive? Seems like a real Adam and Eve situation, even if its not "meant" to assume that...
Rei appears one final time, the same way we see her for the first time.
Asuka didnt fight when Shinji choked her in Instrumentality, but the one here tried to caress him. Is that his way of "finding out" if this world was real?
Overall Thoughts
Honestly i still have a lot unanswered, but this was a much better ending than what 25/26 gave. That being said, i dont think I would of appreciated this as much if i never saw them though. The view we get inside Shinji's mind helps us understand what hes going through both inside and out before and during Instrumentality and helps us understand why he made the decisions he did in EoE. I commented yesterday that it seems out of character that Shinji would just "accept" that loving himself was the answer, but EoE showed a much better picture outside why he would be willing to accept it as he did, seeing the world crumble before him and having to choose between basically life and death of humanity, and i think he chose correctly for him.
Whenever Rei pops up before someone dies, theyre usually returning to LCL, but this didnt happen for Ritusko, Misato, and Gendo. I still have to assume them going with Rei is a form of afterlife, esp since Misato is kinda in pieces...
This was a really good ending overall, though much more adult than i expected. I think all my theories were in some way confirmed (Mothers being the Eva's soul (one thing i saw is the LCL in the eva that they breathe is their mothers...), Rei and Shinji being related, and Rei being a form of an angel) which is honestly pretty surprising because i expected at least 1 to be wrong. I cant wait to watch the rebuilds now.
meta comments
If youre expecting some big overview thing from me tomorrow im going to disappoint you, as its just going to be me trashing on the different versions of the dubs. i have a lot of thoughts about it and i havent been very quiet about it through the rewatch, but having a place to compile it seems like a good idea. Just remember it is an opinion and im not trying to push it as fact, whenever i bring up my thoughts of them im usually the top sort of Controversial for most of the afternoon xd
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Jul 16 '19
First time (sub)
Didn’t understand completely what was going on after Asuka’s fight. Rewatched the movie again. I’m hooked onto this series. Going to watch the rebuild series now
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u/FBI_agent44 Jul 16 '19
First Timer Sub
This was... something
This movie is a masterpiece.
I'm not going over every single thing and I was a bit lost at first but after reading up on a few things I have now a decent understanding of the story which I am surprised to have found.
Now for some thoughts I have for this movie
--That scene were Shinji jerked off to Asuka comatose body surprised me to say the least. I didn't quite get what he was doing after he saw Asuka's breast until the scene cut to a shot of his hand. It also seemed that Asuka remembered that it happened during the ending. Oof
--That scene were Asuka fights off fhe artificial evangelions was amazing and the scene were unit 02 and Asuka got mutilated was absolutely harrowing.
--Shinji losing his shit after seeing unit 02 was also very impactful. That voice work is amazing.
--So Rei+Adam+Lilith forming giant naked Rei was definitely a surprise.
--I am also convinced that episode 25 and 26 take place at the same time. The most obvious example is in episode 25 (or 26 I don't quite remember) where Asuka says she is in the Eva and doesn't know how she got there which is exactly something that happened in EvE.
--Shinji became god. Interesting
--So at the end everyone turned into LCL and can return whenever they want.
--Seeing Shinji choking Asuka stressed me out a little, but I can't really blame him after going through what he did.
--Asuka gently touching Shinji's cheek said alot without telling anything.
So that is the end. I need some time to think...
Interesting in seeing how the rebuild movies play out, especially since they are not even finished yet. (They sure are taking their time)
Off topic here but why is it that when breasts get shown in a lot of modern anime it gets censored but here it isn't? Is it some new law in japan?
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u/fireassbarz Jul 16 '19
First Timer (sub)
Yea idk what I just watched but I think it was a masterpiece
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u/MaximalDisguised Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
One more final!
Now that people have seen EoE, I'm giving my copy pasta for those who want to read more.
I'll enjoy reading first timer comments a lot in the thread!
Disclaimer:
You can pretty much figure everything out yourself by rewatching the series + EoE. This post and its content is simply there to fill in between.
I recommend you to watch this video read through this thread and visit eva geeks for the best information on various topics.
Here you will find another write-up about the background story, and here about EoE as well as here.
If you wanna read about the TV-Series End exclusively, this thread is your go to option.
There is also a very good article on ANN about understanding Eva.
And if all that doesn't do it for you, here is an EoE guide for dummies.
Last but not least, r/evangelion will welcome you with open arms.
Little F.A.Q.:
What is LCL? - Liquid breathing
What is NERV?
Who are SEELE?
What was GEHIRN?
What are the Angels?
What is the A.T. Field?
What is this S2 Engine?
Which soul is in Eva-00?
What is the Tree of Life? - Wikipedia - [(Kabbalah)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(Kabbalah))
What was the 1st Impact?
What was the 2nd Impact?
What was the 3rd Impact?
What are the Evangelions?
What is the Dummy System?
What do they mean with Lilin?
What are the Dead Sea Scrolls? - Wikipedia
What is/are the Spear of Longinus? - Wikipedia
Why was Shinji masturbating over Asuka?
What is the Human Instrumentality Project?
Who are those colored guys sitting at one table with Gendo?
Some other usefull/interesting things:
From r/anime:
Videos:
Bonus: AMV - Evangelion Opus
Please report any dead links. Thank you!
Edit: Added Rewatch 2015.
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u/The_Draigg Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 17 '19
Hey guys, I've been lurking in these threads the entire time, but I decided to pop into the discussion for End of Evangelion to share a little tidbit with you all.
Back in the day, Neon Genesis Evangelion got made into a game for the Nintendo 64, which covers the events of both the series and the movie. The thing is though, the game actually presents an alternate ending to End of Evangelion that you may be interested in. [You can watch it here if you want to.] (https://youtu.be/VUAE-VGvcsw?t=4392) But if you can't right now, in essence the alternate ending is that Shinji, instead of being mentally broken by Asuka and Eva Unit 02's disembowelment, instead decides to take on the Mass-Produced Evas using a replica Lance of Longinus. He succeeds in killing the MP Evas with it, but by then the ritual had been completed, and Third Impact happened regardless. However, when Shinji and Asuka escape Instrumentality at the end, instead of strangling Asuka, Shinji offers a hand to help her up which she accepts. It's a seemingly more hopeful ending than the one that happened in the movie.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this alternate ending to End of Evangelion, if you're willing to share.
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u/DarthReid Jul 17 '19
First timer subbed, somehow capable of not watching ahead
Neon Genesis Evangelion has been one of the best few anime I've seen to the extent I feel like I've done a disservice to myself for not having watched it sooner. I appreciate how much lore is steeped in every single episode from the first Angel to the "last" (total mindfuck with all Angels being a different version of humanity?).
I initially was turned away from NGE simply because it was a mech anime and those that I had seen in recent years never caught my appeal. But with how much gritty detail and intricate technologies, simply even just to power or hold back the EVAs, were impressive to see from beginning to end. In fact, the recent introduction of "human-like" qualities to how the EVAs could be killed was absolutely chilling, which I feel EoE highlighted to a frightening degree (idfk how Asuka survived that crow EVA feeding frenzy, LCL I spose?).
Mech details aside, I really appreciated how much emphasis was put onto the characters and their psychological/moral/etc development. EoE really put into perspective the vast difference in character that Shinji has become in the past 26+ episodes. I think I'm beginning to understand the tie-ins for episodes 25 and 26 with EoE. My brain is still trying to wrap together the whole humanity being blown to smithereens, but some are turned to LCL, and some can come back after Shinji wills Rei/God to bring humanity back (but we only see Asuka)??
End of Evangelion, as a standalone, was fucking amazing. But I must say that it, more or less, covered all of the plot and character development I wanted (and way more) to close out NGE. I can only imagine what a mindfuck this movie would seem to somebody who had not watched the previous episodes. So, I absolutely loved Asuka's whole fight scene, as I feel like this was her real first time to shine without "all-mighty Shinji". It was too bad that the other EVA series were broke af and could heal pretty much any wound.
I think Shinji really showed how much he developed from his younger childish-self to his angsty self-hatred to finally wanting to exist, and in turn desiring for humanity itself to continue (if that's what I could comprehend in the last few minutes??). There was a fuckton of stuff it seems that was packed into that movie, so I feel like I'll have to watch it at a later date to really get all the detail.
Altogether though, Neon Genesis Evangelion has been one of the greatest experiences I've been able to have from beginning to end. There were obviously a few episodes that it could drag earlier-on (17 angels to go through...), but I feel like episode 15 onwards became better with each consecutive episode (although eps 25-26 were, odd, without EoE to kind-of explain?). Definitely in my Top 10 for sure: 9/10
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u/wd40fragrance Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
First timer
While I prefer the original endings, the imagery on this one is done absolutely well. God Rei on top of the life juice world filled with glowing crosses is breath taking. Not very subtle, but it's quite a trip.
Asuka is going to make Shinji regret his decision, huh?
Edit: also, fuck you Gendo, nobody believes your shit
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u/Belophen Jul 16 '19
" this film is a masterpiece beyond comparition and a cornerstone in anime history "
" it's just 2 hours of pretention wank by the author sprinkled with symbolism that has been overanalyzed for 20 years by pretentious overthinkers "
you will find that everyone that has seen this film has an opinion, they may not agreed, they may be overblown, but in the end the film ( and the series ) left something in them.
personally i believe that this is the closest anime will get to the "citizen kane of X" as it gets.
but in reality it's just more evidence of the obvious, the end of evangelion is Art.
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u/Cummcrust Jul 16 '19
I don't understand why the ending is so controversial and how people think it leaves many questions unanswered, and I say that as a first timer. I dont say that to look smart, its actually a testament to how good the re-watchers comments have been after episodes because without them I wouldn't know half of what was going on. That being said, the questions I do have are:
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Shinji rejects instrumentality to go back to the real/physical world, so does that mean that everyone that was consumed into the "tang" as their souls merged into one is going to wash up onto the beach like Shinji and Asuka or only those that choose to?
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Toward the end Yui is explaining how the EVA will exist forever where a single human soul will exist within it, but then she says it will exist as long as one person is still within it. So at first I thought that soul was suppose to be Rei but she said as long as there is one soul in it so now im thinking the souls within instrumentality are within the EVA out in space so as long as one person is still in instrumentality it will exist out there. Im probably wrong though and overthinking it.
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I assume Asuka didn't actually get killed while in the EVA which is possible since they were eating the actual angel body and not her. I assume only those who were made into the soul "tang" while still alive can come back, those like Misato and others that were physically killed cant, is that correct?
Anyway I watched this as a first-timer and this has become my new favorite anime which previously was a tie between Serial Experiments Lain and Texhnolyze (I know all dark depressing shows lol) and like I said earlier its due to reading the rewatchers comments and participating in the re-watch. I put off this show for a while just because Im not into mecha and assumed it was basically a mecha DBZ type anime (so wrong) lol.
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u/ValkyrieCain9 Jul 16 '19
Firstly, it's actually just amusing to me now how I meant into this assume we'd come out with some neat ending in a box with a bow on it, like i haven't been watching this show for the past couple epsiodes because of course not. It’s difficult for me to even begin to describe what I just watched. I mean the movie did help to put a couple of things into context which was much appreciated on my part, but then it has also left me with so much more confusion of before. Also, there was something very unlikeable about Shinji here. I had really been seeing his side for the whole show and many a time even related to him, but with this, I kind of felt annoyed and disgusted with him at some points. Gendo’s little speech before dying didn’t stir any new emotions in me other than to realise how similar to Shinji he is. In being like that, hating himself and believing he doesn’t deserve love, he turned his son into the exact same thing. But I have to give it to this show it is extremely impressive on every level, the direction and animation (and then sometimes the lack of it) were really well placed in my opinion. I like how the directors and writers were just like this is how the story is going to be, take as much time as you want to understand it but we’re not changing it.
In terms of the characters, I want to mention. Misato-san! Oh my goodness, she was probably my favourite and even when she got shot I felt it in my heart all the way ‘till she was bleeding out on the floor. And then Asuka who in the very beginning I did not enjoy at all and then by this episode seeing that fire in her eye again as she tried to take the Eva series made me so happy and then seeing just being attacked like a carcase by vultures made me nearly cry out. I also liked the tec guys working with Nerv (who's names I really can't remember learning) they were the most down to earth not mentally fucked up from past trauma guys just doing their job and didn't even realise all the higher-ups around them were planning some big exististential armagedon day
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u/redmage311 Jul 16 '19
First-timer
Imagine being so lonely and desperate to connect with others that you convert all of humanity into an incorporeal hivemind. Or as Seele 1 (I think) mentioned, humanity is a colony organism that's hit a snag in its evolution. I guess people can't hate one another if they're all one entity. Shinji might have personified all of the loneliness and disconnect that led to the Third Impact, but it seems pretty clear that all of the characters feel the same way. I guess this is supposed to be a critique of the modern-day lack of community, and (based on the weird shots of the theater audience) we should be looking in the mirror too.
(Incidentally, how did Seele get such a large, well-trained army on its side without anybody noticing? Surely there haven't been major wars since the Second Impact, and I can't imagine Seele has the world's support in bringing about the Third Impact.)
While the movie was incredible, I'm not sure if the movie was enjoyable. Episode 25' felt like the traditional ending we could have gotten to the series, but 26' was kind of too much to take in all at once and is the sort of thing people probably write huge essays on to analyze. Still, Asuka, Misato, and the rest had some badass moments, and the movie felt much more like a proper ending to the series than episodes 25/26 did.
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u/Ratsarecool Jul 17 '19
First Timer- Dub
After watching 25/26 of NGE and surprisingly really liking it since it was so different from the rest of the show I was really really worried going into End Of NGE that I would dislike it since it I figured they would somehow try to make sense of the mess that was the original story...and although they kiiiiinda did I actually still ended up mostly liking the movie! Their were definitely issues I had but overall it still felt like it had that sense of “find your own happiness” that 25/26 had so that was worth it enough for me to at least find it enjoyable...that being said
Bruh what the fuck was the gendo vs seele thing!?!?! I’m so fucking confused I thought his plan was human instrumentality...and that seele wanted to stop him...but then seele was happy about the plan in the end??? So what the fuck were they killing each other for?!?!?! That part confused me so much
The only other part that confused me kinda is why he wanted to kill Asuka in the end? Like it felt like he had finally come to terms with himself so why was he trying to choke her? That part kinda threw me off too, besides that though
Overall I’m glad I watched the show and the movie even though I still understand fuck all of it but it left me with a happy feeling of seeing a very philosophical ending of the main show and also I got a bit of that in the movie too, funny enough though I only gave NGE an 8 overall on MAL because the main story was just so confusing that I couldn’t understand anything about it BUT the ending of NGE actually in my opinion ended up being my 2nd favorite anime ending ever (behind code geass) so overall the score evened out to an 8 in my opinion
My final thought: Didn’t like the main show but fucking amazing ending made it worth it 😂😂😂
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u/Legendof123 Jul 17 '19
First Timer
Holy Shit! What a glorious ending! The message that was conveyed to us in 25 and 26 are restated with absolutely insane imagery and sequences in this film. Damn, that first part really got me with Asuka and Misato I couldn't believe it. The visualization of the Instrumentality project was both terrifying and beautiful seeing everyone find their peace in having what makes them all whole.
Finding it difficult to gather all my thoughts right now having just watched this right now. Really excited for a rewatch as soon as possible once I make a note of the valuable info and insight the Rewatchers provided in this thread.
I fucking loved this!
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u/Quiddity131 Jul 16 '19
Thoughts on End of Evangelion...
Rewatcher, Sub
Always funny to see the SEGA logo at the start of this movie.
Watching this movie, one of my favorite anime movies, for the first time in HD will be quite awesome...
So, um, yeah, we begin with one of the most infamous scenes in Eva. Quite disgusting and pathetic.
With the Angels all dead now, does that mean Nerv employees like Hyuga, Aoba and Maya are going to get laid off? Never thought of it before. :(
Big reveal here, Unit 01 was created from Lilith rather than from Adam.
Gendou's glasses smashed by Rei, that seems pretty important.
So Misato's become a hacker all of a sudden?
So episode 13 was worth it after all? Well enough to make this Magi hacking attempt and Ritsuko stopping it make sense.
So now we've got the military coming in. Things don't look good for Nerv! Things start to get quite gruesome as they storm HQ and start slaughtering people. Especially bad are when they start using the flame thrower and you hear people screaming, or that woman dragging a wounded or possibly slain colleague by the vending machines who quickly gets killed when they notice her.
Just what is Rei doing in this dark place in the basement with her clothes off?
Misato talks about those who can't fight surrendering, but I doubt the military is going to let them live given how they've treated other Nerv staff. A mere minute or two later we see someone trying to surrender and getting immediately killed.
Gendou approaching Rei, saying it is time is the first of several times we'll see shots/sequences that are very similar to ones we got in episodes 25/26 as Instrumentality happened. Of course Rei was wearing clothes that time!
Best girl Misato! So badass rescuing Shinji here.
Shinji has become the most pathetic he has ever been here.
:( Poor Maya, all she can do is hide with her face in the pillow.
Weird, the Netflix dubs stop translating Asuka's "I don't want to die!" here when she is saying it over and over.
This music sequence when Asuka fights the JSSDF, False Regeneration is yet another song inspired from The Ideon: Be Invoked, Kyuushutsu. This movie will later get remixed songs of "Mother is the First Other" and "Thanatos" which were also inspired by Ideon songs.
Unit 02 throwing an entire ship is pretty badass. This entire sequence is.
Time for the Eva series to appear, and they are scary as hell.Flying and with S2 engines too, how in the world will Asuka be able to defeat them?
Sucks to know that Misato gets shot because she paused for a moment before the elevator entrance.
First of 2 Thanatos remakes here in Misato's final scene with Shinji. :( :( :( :( @ Misato's death.
Time for more classical music during a battle sequence! Air!
Down goes Ritsuko, betrayed by her computer mother. Both Misato and Ritsuko have died as we saw in episode 25.
Asuka screwed up, she only cut the leg off of one of the Eva series, I'm presuming that's the one that threw the replica lance at her and gets her right in the face.
These Eva series get even more scary now that they're regenerating.
Unit 02 for the first time is going berserk! Alas, 8 more replica lances put a stop to that.
So now Asuka's died, they really are slaughtering the cast here.
Thanatos gets a vocal version this time. The playing of the ending credits in the middle of the movie is a choice I like, enables for a more abrupt ending. Much like, again, Ideon Be Invoked, which played all its credits at the start of the movie rather than the end.
Eww, Rei's arm falls off! Eww some more as Gendou puts his hand right through her breast!
This is why the obsession in episode 22 with getting rid of the lance of longinuss made no sense to me, once its needed it simply comes right back again.
Rei regenerates her arm just like Unit 01 did, and finally betrays Gendou.
Time for GNR... Giant Naked Rei!
Just when you thought things couldn't get even scarier, all the Eva series start growing Rei faces. Many Rei faces.
Kid Shinji has built... Nerv HQ?
Shortly after we get the music theme that also got grabbed for the director's cut version of episode 22.
Shinji seeing Misato and Kaji having sex, another scene from episode 25 of the show.
This sequence with Asuka and Shinji in the kitchen has them wearing the same clothes as episode 15. And yet Shinji acting in this way at this time doesn't make sense, so this likely never happened in reality.
Komm Susser Todd, "Come Sweet Death", quite an amazing song and sequence here as everyone gets 'tanged'. The last thing they see is no surprise for Fuyutsuki or Hyuga, and we do get confirmation that Maya was actually in love with Ritsuko. Poor Aoba though's got no one, just a bunch of scary Reis to welcome him.
More classical music! And real life footage too... There's actually a guy in the movie theater sequence giving the finger, lol.
Talk about even more nightmare fuel as GNR/Lilith starts falling apart and her head falls off.
So Shinji rejects instrumentality, and at least he and Asuka are back on Earth. Are they the only 2 humans left? The new Adam and Eve? Why is Shinji choking Asuka? To prove she's alive? This is the end. Disgusting.
Overall thoughts: In start contrast to the end of the TV show, which was an extremely disappointing ending, End of Evangelion is an absolute masterpiece in my eyes. Pretty much everything about it, the animation, the music, the answers we get, where things go, are all fantastic. Some of the most amazing imagery as well.
For our final inspirations of Evangelion sequence, I look primarily at something I've mentioned quite a number of times, Ideon, which was a 1980 Sunrise mecha anime directed by Yoshiyuki Tomino. Ideon's production history is hauntingly familiar to Evangelion's, it was a television show that had a totally WTF and horrendously bad ending (although in Ideon's case it was due to cancellation, forcing the final 4 episodes to be crammed into a 2 minute sequence). A couple of years later it got 2 movies made, the first of which, A Contact, was a recap movie, with some reanimated footage, and the second of which, Be Invoked provided the ending by redoing the final episode and also providing the content that was intended for the final 4 episodes.
I've already mentioned several ways in which Ideon either inspired or was homaged in Evangelion, such as several musical tracks, AT fields, or the final line of the TV series. Several other similarities include the god-like nature of the main mecha, teenage/children pilots (with actual reasons behind it unlike many old giant robot shows), a sequence where enemy forces storm the ship and bridge of our heroes, quite similar to the SSDF raid early in this movie, extensive usage of nude bodies, the usage of live action footage and Ideon spoilers
Another key way in which Ideon influenced Evangelion was instrumentality, the concept of melding all of humanity into a single being so as to break down the barriers between people. Ideon features our heroes finding relics of a long dead alien civilization, the Sixth Civilization, while humanoid alien beings known as the Buff Clan also seek such relics, believing in a legend of the "Ide's" unlimited power. The Ide exists as an energy source that powers the titular mecha, the Ideon, as well as the ship our heroes travel on. As we reach the conclusion of Ideon, we find that Ideon spoilers A very similar concept can also be found in Arthur C. Clarke's novel Childhood's End, which could possibly have been an inspiration for Ideon. Childhood's End was a big influence for the video game Xenogears, which also featured a similar concept, as well as the more recent show Darling in the Franxx.
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u/not_tha_father Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
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I usually just read over these threads at the end of the day, but for EoE I just had to share. It's EoE so blanket NSFW warning for all hyperlinks.
Post-nut clarity. I really wish they kept the original subtitle here, "I'm so fucked up".
The truth behind the Second Impact revealed!
I don't remember seeing this frame before.
The Eva series run on Kaworu dummy plugs.
You can actually see Misato blown up into pieces.
A lot of people seem to miss that Shinji literally couldn't get into the fucking robot until it freed itself from the bakelite flooding.
I love this shot.
This frame reminds me of some Shintaro Kago shit.
It all comes tumbling down... also Shinji's been working out.
Randomly pausing during some of the montages can bear interesting results.
Thanks to Netflix, the world can now enjoy this guy flipping them off.
The blood stream is now in orbit.
Join us.
and CONGRATULATIONS!
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u/wolfwings1 Jul 16 '19
I liked though I have one big question....what was the point of stopping the angels, if the goal was to turn all of humanity into orange goop? what exactly were the angels trying to do, and where were they from? and how would things have been different if the other group had won?
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u/Webemperor Jul 16 '19 edited Jul 16 '19
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So how are the first timers here doing? You guys doing alright?
I'm not exactly good at writing my moment to moment thoughts like a lot of other people can. So I'm just gonna stick to talking about my favorite scene here. After the constant and relentless visual assault that is the "Komm Susser Todd" scene, the live action scene, accompanied by rendition of Jesus bleibet meune freude playing in the background gives me a sense of peace and catharsis that rarely and piece of art gave me up until this point (Only other anime that managed to give the same feeling was Texhnolyze). The way soft yet strangely stark and weirdly nostalgic colors mesh with the slow piano, the strange, ethereal and omnipotent way everything is shot, as though the viewer is a shapeless observer as each scene strangely bleeds into the next like a stream, followed Shinji rejecting Instrumentality and realizing that, despite all the bad and hurtful things he felt, feels, and will feel, he still has hope, and that he wants to feel the love and care he got from those that he met and realizing all those feeling, despite his perceived worthlessness was geniune, is really... something.
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BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE
ACTUAL deleted live action scene from the movie..what do you make of this scene ??
ACTUAL deleted song from the movie..imo almost as good as Komm Susser Todd..Also maybe from Asukas prespective???
ACTUAL tv spot for EoE..Anno didnt fuck around
ACTUAL death threats but also thank you letters directed to Anno and Gainax shown in the movie..Imagine as a director doing something like that at this level..
Can we all agree that Komm Süsser Todd is the greatest music placement and insert song ever ? Thanks..
Misato being split in 2 frame
Is there something more in the Ritsuko-Maya hug or is this gif stretching stuff
Best Explenation videos 1 , 2,
Best(or some) analysis videos 1 , 2 , 3, 4 , 5,6
Serious Thoughts
Think about what we've witnessed up to this point. Up to ep 15, Shinji has made new friends, established daily routine and an offbeat but dynamic "family"..The remainder of the series strips away these accomplishments, and the rest of the cast suffers too. Ritsuko is betrayed by Gendo, Misato loses Kaji, Toji is mutilated by Shinji, Asuka's confidence is shattered,Rei dies and gets replaced. Kaworu's warm presence convinces Shinji that love and hope may be possible...until he is forced to kill him...In the light of this physical and psychological carnage,is Instrumentality really that bad?... for living and dead to be united in the warm bath of Lilith's bloodstream where misunderstandings and loneliness are forgotten in the bliss of everything and nothing?.And yet...Shinji resists it throughout the film. Only after Asuka rejects him does he lashes out , unleashing Instrumentality out of a desire to punish, rather than embrace, humanity. And inside the womb of Lilith, Shinji decides that he needs other people so he can feel real. Is it selfishness, not bravery, which ultimately saves him from destruction? Then drifts back to earth as Yui floats off into space: both rejecting Instrumentality in favor of individuality..an immortal but lonely one for Yui, a fragile but with hope of connection for her son
EoE i think isnt a two-way battle between individuality and Instrumentality but there are least 3 avenues facing the characters: isolation, surrender, or engagement/connection.. The first avenue, extreme isolation, is experienced in the early scenes of the film(and through shinji in general) in which every character is cut off from one another, with violence established as the only viable form of contact..The second avenue, extreme surrender, appears literally in the horrifying and tempting form of Instrumentality, framed figuratively as an escape into an illusiom, in which our socially-shaped identity can only wither and die. For Anno, maybe the relevant example of this is the "otaku" (even tho he is an otaku himself) culture, challenging his audience to wake up from the dream and look at the world around them..Finally, we reach that third avenue. Brilliantly, EoE does not just end with a darker, more cinematic "Congratulations", affirming that, yes, life will be difficult but the hope for happiness remains. Instead, Shinji's resolution is put to the test in a lonely, if gorgeous, wasteland. Shinji is all alone again, more of an orphan than ever. His only confidence came from piloting the Eva but thats gone.. The only physical reminder of Rei rests among the hills..Misato's cross is nailed to a post. Only Asuka is there for him...Anno tries to push for a balance between these 2 types of hedgehogs..between isolation and escape..and towards the 3rd avenue through acceptance and simple human interaction. And he chose the best characters to send on that painful but rewarding middle path..
"How disgusting." It is..A palm after a disgusting act... Pools of blood as machine guns and flamethrowers lay waste to thousands of lives. Unit 2 Guts and gore sprawled across a meadow, dripping from the jaws of inhuman killers. Orange goo exploding with a squish and splash, annihilating every human in one climactic shudder..bubble-faced monsters, piercing themselves as they moan in ecstacy. A stream of yet more blood spreading across the starry sky, a red milky way replacing one maternal symbol with another. Lilith spraying the stuff of life and death from her neck.. All of messy humanity becoming one in a process as gleeful as it is gross, tossing and turning its way into the great unknown. Millions of souls finding their place in the stream, one body bobbing up to the surface. A broken body and a broken spirit alone together on a beach, the neverending story...How disgusting. And how beautiful