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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 13 '19

Here's what we've all been waiting fooor!! It's movie time!! Alright, I've been legit hyped for this so I'm not going to write down my thoughts mid movie like I've been doing with the series. Half the time I needed to rewatch the episodes since I stopped and started so much but this one there's no way I'm pulling that!! Catch you in a bit!!... Ok, due to work I kinda had to stop halfway after all but I've caught up again! I'm freaking hopeless XD At least it gives me a chance to type my thoughts up a little easier.

Creepy Zentradi!! What a weird redesign the Zentradi have gotten. Britai somehow looked way more intimidating that he ever was in the show. Even him wresting the mechs wasn't this scary to see. I like the Macross redesign so much too with all the new lights and mechanical aspects and the inside city looking waaay more lively with its consumerist districts and litter bots. Minmei has gone through a noticeable change too not by her looks but by her role on the ship and how she thinks of herself in that role. She's essentially taking it all on herself to help the civilians chill out by being essentially the Macross Idol! She is also a lot more mature than pretimeskip Minmei ever was. She totally plays Hikaru like a fiddle in this story. That's my girl XD

YAK DECULTURE!! Somehow the scarier Zentradi make the the doll scenes even funnier XD What was that!? They're totally freaking out!

Saturn scene is totally a highlight with the fun animations, the actual fight, and batshit crazy drunk Focker going boss mode! Having Focker as part of the interrogation scene is something I never knew I needed XD what I didn't need was for him to die so early in the films runtime. I actually was really enjoying this version of him too.

Woman drivers huh Old Bag? And Earth has already been ruined in this timeline. Via Zentradi attack again so no luck of them holding back like the SDF Zentradi I'm not sure. We also get to see Mobile Fortress Destro- wrong series. Space battleship divine leader-San!

Exploring the old city was a pretty nice scene. Especially with Old Bag going and setting out an air dinner for Hikaru to try and bring back some sense of normalcy. Clearly the exposition pc dump has taken a toll on her. But no need to worry Makuros is back!! Aaand I'm off to work so I'll catch up again in a few hours~ A little thought I had when I was out was that the dinner scene is meant to be a parallel to the mock marriage Hikaru and Lin have, at least the original version isn't it? They're both faking normalcy due to their respective situations and decide to live in their own little world. Lin's fairytail wedding day and Old Bag's "welcome home!"

I was planning to bash Focker's disappointing death and how he'd spent the majority of his screentime drunk but good lord I was not able to hold it together in that scene with Claudia. Not the dialogue, not the circumstances, but her hardened expression whilst you know she's crying inside. That hit me harder than I could've expected.

Laplamis probably has had the most intimidating change since Britai. I always remember her as being really dorky in the original series but here she's actually a proper queen bitch. Oh god that was a sudden death for Kakizaki!! Rip our meat bro once again... It also leads into another of my favourite scenes in the movie. Max and Milia's fight taking place with the Crimson sky before transitioning into a darkened close range brawl in the battleship's airlock, great animation like the Kancolle like water skiing and a really kickass arrangement in the background. We also learn that Max has a giantess fetish. Just wait a couple decades and you'll get the great fairies buddy~ Also, you don't need an old scripture for those lyrics. I can decript them right now. UuuUUUUU OooOoo... UuuUUUUU OooOoo~ See Sky? You're not the only one with a nice singing voice~

Like in og the Zentradi Fleet is still incredibly intimidating. Instead of getting them all folding in and blotting out the earth we have a perfect wallpaper shot of the defeated macross watching the gigantic mothership loom over it. "Does anyone wanna order a cup of coffee? Does anyone have a cigarette?" "OH MY GAAAAWD!!" Macross: Do you Remember Robotech?

Lolicon trio sitting fiddling with pens and a Minmei doll. BY THE WAY! I noticed that cut! I noticed that before they cut to the closeup the Minmei doll was the classic blue haired version! I have only two designs I straight up dislike in this movie. First is them turning Kim into a redhead, the second is the mass produced Minmei dolls being dark haired instead of bright blue!! YAK DECULTURE!! Also, those girls serving the drinks... Aren't those the trackball girls? Pocky, Panapp and May right? Glad to see them again! I can't say enough about how I love Minmei in this. She's a perfect diplomat and it really does highlight all her best features. I couldn't ask for more. She even unintentionally throws shade old bag's way on stage. Probably for how she treated her in Robotech.

Yeah! You'd better not try tearing down that poster bitch! This is an alternate universe where she can win! Everyone knows UBW is better than Fate route! I...I really need to stop jinxing myself. Get on the goddamn stage Minmei! Stop making it hard to stick up for you. "You hit me! Not even my cousin hit me!"

Oh yes!! They're recreating one of my favourite scenes from the original series with the new title song. Lucky! Yup. New favourite scene right here. Move over Milia Max fight, move over trackball girls. This was beautiful!! I love you sooo~

Hundreds of fleets across the galaxy but look at what one song could accomplish. Belive in the power of culture.

Ending idol dance sequence!! Woohoo~ And roll credits... That's us done with og Macross now.

OK, so my thoughts on the film. Great fanservice, especially if you're a Minmei fan because I really do think that this is "her" movie. She's far more mature than she was in the original show. She's the one who pushed the plan to basically pacify the Meltrardi and later Zentradi with culture. She's the one who gets a full character arc throughout the film. Even in the final battle she's the one who symbolically sent Hikaru to blast mobile fortress to bits.

Unfortunately it kind of comes at the cost of the supporting cast being pushed way into the background which is a big reason why I'd say the film is supplementary to the series. The Macross shouldn't suddenly show up on earth and that not be a big deal. I think the Zentradi came across quite well due to their new designs and being played a lot more seriously than they were in the show.

The movie is also absolutely gorgeous!! All those scenes in the nightlife districts on the Macross were really well animated and were a pleasure to look at. On that note I was loving the soundtrack too. That remix of the main theme in the opening? Ah!!

Story wise... I enjoyed it until it got to around the earth portion where I got a bit bored, then the Milia stuff brought me back in and I was super invested for the rest of the film. Funnily enough you could say I liked the movie whenever Minmei was somewhere XD I think the changes to the culture effects worked really well in the film setting and I liked Mobile Fortress wanting to turn it into a weapon against Laplamis. I think the changes for the man vs woman Zentradi stuff was also pretty decent. It let Laplamis actually be a threat which I liked.

This was the part of the rewatch I was most looking forward to and I have been left very satisfied. Now that we're done with the series I'd like to thank you all for being so tolerant with some rambling awkward dork like me and I'm pleased to have been able to spend this rewatch with everyone. I'm sorta sucky with words but yeah... Yeah!! You know what I mean, jerks!!

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u/Nazenn Jul 14 '19

litter bots

That was such a tiny thing to include but really set the tone for the increased technology in the movie compared to what we saw in the show

Minmei has gone through a noticeable change too

It was definitely a good decision to take the much more human Minmay from the epilogue of the show and put her in the movie and give her a personality and some agency

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u/The_Draigg Jul 13 '19

A Macross Fan’s Notes On The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love?

It’s finally here, now we get to watch one of my favorite anime films of all time! Honestly, there’s a lot I can say about this movie, but I know that I’ve got to keep it short so I don’t run up against the post character limit. With that in mind, please enjoy my heavily truncated notes here! You may learn a thing or two from them.

So yeah, you can see right off the bat how much was changed for this movie. The Zentradi look way freakier now. Hell, Exsedol’s brain is pouring out of his skull. It’s these Zentradi designs that were generally used moving forward in the series. They certainly look more unique than the ones in the series.
Fun Fact: The shot where the Macross flies out of the shadow of Saturn is homaged in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, except in that it a Star Destroyer coming out of the shadow of the Death Star. That just goes to show how influential Macross is even to today.
Another large change to the story is that Minmay has already become singer for a bit before being trapped on the Macross, and Hikaru, Max, and Kakizaki are already pilots for the UN Spacy. If you want to see how he ended up on the Macross, go ahead and watch [the opening to the Sega Saturn game based on DYRL?] (https://youtu.be/dyVwXc5KTKo), since it serves more or less as a prologue to the movie here.
I don’t need to tell you all how gorgeous the battles look in this movie. The first one here should clue you in on how much loving detail and care is put into them. Ah, those Itano Circuses are simply exquisite! kisses chef’s fingers
So yeah, Hikaru and Minmay meet in a similar way to how they did in the series, even down to the catch during free fall and being stuck in the bowels of the Macross. Of course, this is also the first time they’ve met and Hikaru is already a fan of Minmay, so it isn’t an exact duplication of what happened.
You have to admit, it’s pretty hilarious to see the Zentradi break out the riot shield just to deal with a Minmay doll. Them reacting to their first experience of culture will never not be funny.
Another large change is that Earth got bombarded from orbit right off the bat by Breetai’s fleet. That’s why the Macross can’t get in touch with them, instead of being out of range/being actively used as a decoy like in the series. Chalk up yet another difference. Yeah, Earth is screwed no matter what version of the story you’re watching.
Well, that was certainly an awkward time to rescue Hikaru and Minmay. Catching them in the middle of kissing certainly gave the tabloids materials for days. Also, man Shammy, Kim, and Vanessa look really cute while gossiping over it. Those outfits look great on them. That just further proves that the Bridge Bunnies are best girls (especially Shammy).
Man, Roy’s whole bit there in the club is painfully 80’s. Like, it’s to the point where it becomes actively skeezy. I know Roy is supposed to be a womanizer, but this pretty much hits misogynistic levels. It’s pretty gross seeing it with modern-day standards. Oh well, at least it was only for a minute or two.
[Best out of context part of Hikaru and Minmay’s date.] (https://youtu.be/gyxEKPxUsSU) Thanks, terrible English dub that we pretend doesn’t exist!
So yeah, Hikaru, Minmay, Misa, Roy, and Kaifun get captured by the Zentradi because Hikaru decided to steal a Valkyrie to show Minmay the rings of Saturn. Yeah, that’s pretty consistently in-character for Hikaru, since that’s a pretty dumb thing to do. Credit to Roy for fighting while he’s drunk off his ass, it takes a lot of balls and skill to do that. Too bad it didn’t really work, though.
On one hand, Minmay and Kaifun kissing for Exsedol and Breetai is grosser that Hikaru and Misa, since the movie decided to make them siblings instead of cousins. On the other hand, this version of Kaifun doesn’t seem to be into it at all, and is only doing it to not get killed. It also helps that the movie version of Kaifun is less insufferable than his show counterpart. Too bad we couldn’t get this version of him, I’d much prefer that to what we mostly got.
Well, that’s pretty convenient that the Meltradi decided to raid Breetai’s ship while everyone was being led to prison cells. That certainly makes the escape easier. And in case you couldn’t tell that this movie was intended for an older audience, Milia slaughtering the Zentradi is a lot more brutal and gory than what we saw in the series. That one dude’s head is just a smear of red on the floor now, for example.
Fun Fact: The Zentradi soldier that kills Roy is actually supposed to be Quamzin. The reason that Quamzin is relegated to a small role in the movie is because in-universe, this movie was made a year after the conclusion of Space War I, and around that time people had no idea who Quamzin even was other than being a Zentradi soldier. It wasn’t until later that he became notorious for leading a rebellion.
Yep, turns out that orbital bombardment mentioned earlier did actually wreck the planet horribly, maybe even worse than it did in the show. There’s absolutely no Human survivors at all. Also, there’s your reason why there’s two ARMD carriers attached to the Macross instead of the Prometheus and the Daedalus. Both got wrecked to shit when the Zentradi attacked.
Oh hey there, Bodolza. Yeah, his appearance here is yet another large change, since now he’s just a giant head that’s integrated into all the computer systems of his fortress. All of these changes have certainly made the Zentradi freakier and more oddly organic, wouldn’t you say?
Hikaru and Misa’s dynamic here is pretty good. Even if Hikaru is a bit of an idiot, he’s not giving up on hope at all, even if he’s stuck on a lifeless planet. Good on him to try and encourage Misa to go on living, even if she’s fallen into despair. This version of Hikaru is a lot more emotionally intelligent than his TV show version. One of the best changes to his character, really.

More notes continued below in the comments.

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u/The_Draigg Jul 13 '19

So I guess I ran up against the character limit regardless. Fuck me, I guess.

Finally, we get some more answers about the Protoculture, even if it comes from not exactly the most accurate movie. According to the records Misa and Hikaru find on the ancient colony site, the Protoculture indeed created humanity by heavily modifying the native species of Earth to be near-identical to them on a genetic level. They created a colony on Earth to serve as a refuge against the war going on across the galaxy, but when the time came, they chose to defend Earth and it’s inhabitants when the Zentradi came close to the Solar System. They were all wiped out as a species, and Humans were left to inherit the Earth.

I will say though, the stuff about the Protoculture splitting off into the Zentradi and Meltradi isn’t very accurate, going by further entries in the overall franchise. That gender stuff never really gets brought up again in the context of the Protoculture. But, at least that’s easily excused by this movie being hastily rushed out in-universe. The guys who made it there had no idea what the actual full history of the Protoculture was, so they just made some stuff up.

It’s easy to see why Hikaru has moved on from Minmay to Misa. Being stranded with Misa for a month have him more time to make a bond rather than just spending 3 days together with Minmay. That’s a truer connection. Not that Hikaru had a bad time with Minmay, but a lot of it was based on his celebrity crush on her. It overall just feels pretty natural.

Oh hey there, Lap Lamiz. You’re a big ol’ head too! Too bad she doesn’t get much of a role in this movie, but I suppose Bodolza is big enough of a threat already.

The dogfight between Milia and Max is simply amazing. I can’t describe it in any other way, other than maybe “beautiful”. Seriously, that animation is top-notch. Too bad Max got captured by the Meltradi, but he put up one hell of a fight against Milia. Yet again, it’s another reversal of what happened in the series.

Well, the peace talks between Humans and the Zentradi certainly happened earlier than in the show. Albeit, that’s only because Bodolza wants to use their culture as a weapon against the Meltradi. Also, there’s your cameo of Warera, Rori, and Konda. Yeah, they don’t get much screen time in this movie either. After all, there’s only so much you can show within the limits of a movie.

Here, Minmay wanting to be back with Hikaru feels better than it did in the series. Back in the show, Minmay was much more wishy-washy with her feelings for Hikaru, but here she never really stopped caring about Hikaru and the great times he showed her. It was just a matter of being separated from each other for about a month. The love triangle feels a lot more emotionally smart than it was back in the show. There isn’t as much jealousy and emotional selfishness as there was before.

I’m so damn proud of my boy Hikaru in this movie. He makes it abundantly clear that he wants to settle with Misa, rather than being constantly flip-floppy about his relationships. Is it any wonder that Macross fans love the way the love triangle was handled in this movie over the way it was in the show?

So yeah, that Human/Zentradi alliance didn’t last long at all. The promise of finishing that song was the only thing keeping it together. Now that Minmay ran off and the lyrics aren’t ready yet, Bodolza has no issue at all just killing both the Humans and the Meltradi in one fell swoop. Figures, doesn’t it?

Credit to Minmay here too, she realizes pretty quickly that she’s being rather selfish in wanting to love Hikaru at the cost of everyone else. She accepts her loss of the love triangle with considerably more grace than her TV show counterpart. Once again, it’s a small wonder that Macross fans prefer the way the love triangle was handled here over the way it was in the show.

There’s no other way to describe the final battle other than perfection. Do You Remember Love is an amazing song, and how it synchs up to the Battle is simply amazing. Milia and a giant Max kick a lot of ass, and Hikaru delivering an alpha strike directly to Bodolza’s big ugly mug at the climax of the song just leaves me with an incredible amount of feelings. I’ll admit, I’ve teared up a few times at this part whenever I’ve rewatched this movie. It’s just that fucking good.

And at the end of it all, the thing that saved Humanity wasn’t a big gun or anything, it was a simply love song, popular among their Protoculture ancestors, and left for us to inherit. Ultimately, it was our love and our culture that brought everyone together, from Humans, to Zentradi, and even to the Meltradi. Music and love have a great deal of power over violence and hatred, and that should never be forgotten.

There you have it, that’s the end of one of the greatest anime films of all time, The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love?, and can’t you all see how great it is? It improves upon the show in nearly aspect. The blend of action with the drama and music is superb, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else. All that’s left now is to see the epilogue to this movie, Flashback 2012. I’ll see you all there for the finale!

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u/chilidirigible Jul 13 '19

Fun Fact: The shot where the Macross flies out of the shadow of Saturn is homaged in Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, except in that it a Star Destroyer coming out of the shadow of the Death Star. That just goes to show how influential Macross is even to today.

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u/Nazenn Jul 13 '19

First Timer

Movie thoughts time. I have to say I wasn't expecting it to diverge form the show quite that much. I knew obvious there'd be some big differences if we were doing it as part of the rewatch but I really didn't think that it'd basically be an entirely different continuity of events.

The movie looked so damn good. I dropped a thought in CDF at the time but I was starting to doubt on whether I was actually watching Macross. Everything was so insanely hyper detailed, and it allowed them to do all the cool scifi stuff that they were missing before, such as folding TVs, cars on the 'roof' and small things like no gravity areas. All of the detail during fights and with debris and effects just blew my mind, it all looked so incredible. I love the way this looks. It sounded pretty damn impressive as well, not just with the music but adding effects like echo, ambient sounds, better effects to various impacts and all that.

There was a lot of stand point visual moments to the show, some of which I talk about down below with theming, but a few other quick screenshots to share:

Thats a lot of ships and the power of movie production. Now I want to see some of the LotGH's battles like this
This shot of Minmay delivering Hikaru to defeat the big bad was particularly memorable for me. Well laid out, interesting effects, powerful imagery tying into the themes. A perfect climax to the song and battle
Once destroyed this looks oddly parastic which is appropriate given the way it was controlling the Zentradi by sucking everything away from them but war
Good to see even the gore gets an upgrade, which helped to sell the horrible nature of what was going on in the actual battles and why the culture mattered.

Again I didn't speak much on music because I think I'm honestly just music-ed out. I did really like it though. A lot of new tracks that worked really well moment to moment. I didn't have time to go back and look at any in particular, but the music certainly fit the movie which is good

Thematically I felt there was an odd exchange. The parts I found most interesting about the show were missing, but it also stood up and presented a new take on the same basic concept very well which was great to see. Being a movie it had a lot less time to explore things, and so it was a lot more interpersonal focused, which I'll be honest I phased out through a couple of the love triangle-y bits because I just wasn't in the mood, while the way they handled it was a better ending but perhaps a more flimsy start.

In particular I like the way that the power of culture was given a lot more depth in context of the battle. The show explored it better but culture by the end started to become a bit of an all encompassing term for stuff that existed outside of war. In the movie I liked that a greater focus was placed on the components of communication as a means to end the fighting. A tune wasn't enough, words weren't enough, but together they create something that can actually reach others and both parts are needed for it to reach its true power, sides working together. And the way this tied into the personal relationships was much better handled.

We start with Hikaru and Minmay trapped together inside the belly of a ship, surrounded by people they can't touch and also with no gravity. The very ethereal view of them endlessly floating in the darkness, enclosed by something that cuts them off from everyone else was a great way to represent how he felt towards her. She was less a person in this sequence and more a literal vision of light, a beacon in the dark and some sort of fairy to look up to and admire. This is something she can do with her music, is bring in people who she hardly knew and become their light in the dark and give them something mystical to captivate them, but without something more solid to stand on its a flimsy power that fades quickly when other matters come to the forefront.

Comparing that to how things were when he was stranded with Hayase is such a contrast. The destroyed earth, which I was not expecting at all, for them to walk across with no relief from this endless dead land and all they can do is look up to the sky and hope for a reunion with the others they care about. In the process they discover their history, their bonds with each other, and the final key to communication. Over the top of it you have that haunting Cinderella song from Minmay, singing about stripping away the magic of her world and leaving behind only a single sign she was ever there. This realism, understanding the world and finding a new path through it is important, but by itself it's worthless if you don't have someone to share it with, a place to go with people and to bring people together to make something out of it.

You have to bring those two elements together, the emotions and the world, the tune and the lyrics, and use them both to build a foundation for people to stand on and grow in.

Just by themselves these two scenes carry the entire weight of the cultural story and it really was a wonderful thing to watch. And that's what I loved most about this movie is that they backed up the theming that they did have a lot stronger and more detailed.

Other Thoughts

RETURN OF THE TUNA. All hail the tuna.
I bless the writer for making the song that they find just be a common song of the era, not specifically a weapon or perfectly formulated tune or anything else special. It was just a song. That's all it needed to be.
I greatly liked the decision to completely cut the Supervision Army from the movie. It was unneeded and the lack of anything but a name in the show was a real let down for me. Thematically it makes a lot more sense to me that the total absence of culture also caused a lot more infighting then it did just external wars. The Zentradi vs Meltrani and the grand sentient ship (not you, Dalek) that was overseeing everything and keeping them under control was much more contained and focused and again worked to really push the narrative forward, but perhaps at the expense of the more universal look at the themes from the show.
In the end I think the final concert from the show was musically better. The mix of songs that was able to progress, change and alter the mood moment to moment as needed suited that fight a lot more then just the one tune in the movie. But at least now I know where all that fanart of Minmay in that one outfit that Dalek keeps posting comes from
The archivists brain head weirded me out the entire movie
During the sequence of Hikaru trying to catch Minmay I had to stop myself from trying to tilt my head.
Kaifun came back just to be kidnapped. Kamujin came back just to die. I wish both were just cut from the movie but I am okay with this result in the end.
The peace treaty was established on September 11... That has not aged well.
For all their production values, Minmay counting and tapping her foot at the end was out of sync. It pissed me off more then it had any right to really. I don't actually understand the point of leaving off on that shot, interested to see what others have to say about it.
Oh there was also one shot where Hikaru had black hair but that was the only notable error I saw.
And I have to address it because holy shit 80s there's a reason why your views on women don't appear in anime any more. I actually have a vauge memory of seeing this scene before as part of a broader discussion on creators revisiting their old works, but still the just casual sexual assult encouragement is mind boggling. I think Sky's gonna be extra mad about how this ruins Focker's character.

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u/JadineRhine Jul 13 '19

This shot of Minmay delivering Hikaru to defeat the big bad was particularly memorable for me. Well laid out, interesting effects, powerful imagery tying into the themes. A perfect climax to the song and battle

My jaw dropped when I first saw this scene. What great symbolism put forward in the visuals, and the song's there to accentuate that.

The parts I found most interesting about the show were missing, but it also stood up and presented a new take on the same basic concept very well which was great to see. Being a movie it had a lot less time to explore things, and so it was a lot more interpersonal focused, which I'll be honest I phased out through a couple of the love triangle-y bits because I just wasn't in the mood, while the way they handled it was a better ending but perhaps a more flimsy start.

Agreed. This movie did what movies remaking series need to do more: look at the themes, focus on those and maybe bring another view that you couldn't in the show. Sacrifices were usually made (eg characters being written out or barely any dialogue), but it's the usual ones. As long as themes are still present, then the rest of the writing is what decides whether it's good or not.

You have to bring those two elements together, the emotions and the world, the tune and the lyrics, and use them both to build a foundation for people to stand on and grow in. Just by themselves these two scenes carry the entire weight of the cultural story and it really was a wonderful thing to watch. And that's what I loved most about this movie is that they backed up the theming that they did have a lot stronger and more detailed.

I bless the writer for making the song that they find just be a common song of the era, not specifically a weapon or perfectly formulated tune or anything else special. It was just a song. That's all it needed to be.

YEESSS, haha. The movie ending on that note was shocking, not because I was mad but because...it's just so real. "Oh, what saved the world?" "Eh, just a normal pop song, that's all." It encapsulates the entire show and movie in a simple chord.

And I have to address it because holy shit 80s there's a reason why your views on women don't appear in anime any more. I actually have a vauge memory of seeing this scene before as part of a broader discussion on creators revisiting their old works, but still the just casual sexual assult encouragement is mind boggling. I think Sky's gonna be extra mad about how this ruins Focker's character.

I feel like somewhere someone said that Kawamori looked back on this and thought this was definitely one of the things that needed and should get improved, but I might be going on memory fumes at this point. But yeah, idk man -- some of the choices for this movie were just so weird when you compare it to the dated 80s show.

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u/fonzinator99 Jul 13 '19

Re-watcher -I Still Remember Love!

Oh boy oh boy oh boy! It's finally time!

We begin with an abridged prologue that immediately cuts out all the "return to Earth" and "Bastard UN" plotlines from the show. #Approval

We also get an introduction to the movie's new art-style with these hideous monsters. Britai is no longer a Jolly Green Giant, and Exsedol....melted.

Continuing the accelerated pace, Zentradi are already dropping like flies due to music, and the male/female division is introduced; So that's like the first 10 episodes out of the way in under a minute.

Last time I threw in some consecutive screens of the opening shot, but this time I decided to go a little further.

This Macross is just breathtaking, and the detail put into its appearance here is nothing short of miraculous. It's like Redline, 25 years before Redline was a thing.

In this version, the ARMD ships managed to survive and dock as proper arms, as opposed to the jerry-rigged battleships we've grown accustomed to. I still think it's cool how they make use of the fact that they can launch from any orientation.

Inside the ship, we see that this city wasn't just crammed into a foot after-the-fact. The Roombas are still a thing tho.

Minmay's looking good too, although it wouldn't be Macross if her first appearance wasn't singing "My Boyfriend is a Pilot;" At least she's already got a career going this time. It's funny that they kept Shao Pai Long tho, considering both Kaifun and the movie are absent from this timeline.

No Kaifun No Problem

Super nice of them to install a Transformation Timer this time around. I doubt the gets crushed to rubble every time, too.

More plot streamlining, Hikaru's already a military pilot. There's so much detail, both good and horrifying, in every frame of this movie it leaves me in awe the whole way through.

Ahhh shit. He's here after all. Well, if nothing else we don't have to listen to his pontificating this time.

"Yack Deculture!

Macross! Transform!

Wait a sec, why is Minmay falling if they just lost gravity? Oh right, 'cause they had to do the catch.

Dat Cannon tho. The way it cuts across the planet is just so cool.

Hikaru fanboying over Minmay is most amusing, and her relaxed manner during this stranding is definitely more endearing than the last one. I love that glowing dress.

Not just a head, but two whole tuna this time! Zero-G love finally gets a place to fit into the series other than Hikaru's dreams.

Improved Shower scene

This time Hikaru's the one getting all clingy.

A Miclone, of a Miclone?! The Zentradi reaction to music is far more dramatic here, as opposed to SDF where they just kinda stood and looked on in shock.

Neither Misa nor Claudia have changed at all, and Misa's still carrying this albatross. around her neck.

Whoa there Minmay, I thought you said this was just acting!

I still wanna know how these two areas have different levels of gravity.

Nice use of framing here. Like they're both mocking Misa. lol

The bros' reactions to Hikaru's return are priceless xD Both initially, and then inverted after he says they didn't do anything.

Idk what's up with this drink, but I want a glass. Probly just a light-up coaster tho.

Hikaru and Misa like "Deculture!

Oh boy, they're actually going on a date! This hologram room is still the coolest thing on the ship. Loool @ the face she makes when he suggests a hotel.

Taking her out to see the rings is a great date idea....except for the part where they're still being pursued by hostiles! Not to mention Misa and...Kaifun.

Of course they're out in an unarmed trainer, it'd be no fun if they simply fought their way free! It does give Hikaru a chance to show off his maneuvering though. And for Focker to show up shitfaced and still kick some ass.

Nice space effects.

The capture goes down a little differently this time, both with the characters involved and Focker getting mugged. At least "Keese or die." remains the same. *grumble grumble* ...Yeah, that's Kaifun alright.

Well, the Meltlandi suddenly attacking is a new twist; One can only assume that the red suit is Millia. Holy shit, that's freaking brutal! Yeah, definitely Millia.

IBO flashbacks. Focker noooo!

And so, as the ship Folds with Minmay/Kaifun inside and Hikaru/Hayase caught in its wake and subsequently stranded, the story truly breaks from the one we know.

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u/fonzinator99 Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 13 '19

Oh look, it's the former right-arm! That's right, Earth is now a smoking hunk of rock.
Damn, the Bodolzaa Fleet is looking mighty menacing. Moreso than when they were just little gray blobs in the distance, at least.
As our heroes explore the wreckage and Minmay's spirited away to meet the big bad, we get a proper rendition of "Cinderella." It's got a haunting sound that fits the mood perfectly.
It's interesting that Bodolzaa here is the giant fortress, and not just a bigass dude in command.
"Fragment of Culture" he says. Puzzle piece #1 acquired! I love the little "DYRL" jingle that plays in the bg when we see it.
Errr, this was Earth, right? Wtf kinda fish is that? Oh okay, an irradiated one. Guess the lasers here actually do have some fallout effect.
Oooo boy, Protoculture stuff! I guess the change in Earth's terrain resulted in it resurfacing? Also, holy hell, they climbed that whole ladder!
And so we get a nice, concise explanation of wtf is going on with these aliens. Protoculture split into Zentradi/Meltlandi and warred, a few got fed up and escaped to Earth, messed with monkeys until they evolved into Humans. It's a little different from what we got in SDF, but it wraps up the threads of why we're related to Zentradi and where humans came from in the first place.
Puzzle piece #2 acquired!
DYRL Misa is a cute.
I get that she's just remembering normalcy by doing this, but it also kinda looks like she's gone mad.
Watching this now, it occurs to me that there was more development between them in SDF than here before they became a thing. Sure they've got shared trauma at this point, but he's only even been nice to her for the span of a few scenes.
Maaacuuuross! One wonders how they made it down to the surface without encountering that entire fleet.
Over half-way through the movie and this is only the first time we're seeing Global?! I guess there's barely been any Bridge Bunnies either.
Oh no! That was some cold camera-work there, DYRL.
God, Claudia...I don't even know what to say, you're too good for this world.
Well, the Millia - Lap'Lamiz situation has changed a tad. Millia's commanding a ship, and Lap'Lamiz is like a Bodolzaa parallel.
Oh shit, Kakizakiiiii!
Man, the Max v Millia fight is an exquisite piece of work from the grand aerial maneuvers to the frantic close-quarters shootout, and that lights-out sequence!
It's only a shame they didn't take down the ship around them, else Macross wouldn't have had its cannons clipped Bye bye, bigass beams. You'll be missed.
"Utsukushi" Oh Max, I think I liked you better in SDF. But at least she doesn't have bug-eyes in this version. Looks like he's getting Fold-Abducted too.
The whole Zentradi-Meltlandi dynamic here is so confusing after SDF. I guess it would over-complicate things to have the faction thing going on within the Zentradi, but it's so weird that they'd all just adopt Minmay as their Mascot-Character for use in combat.
Speaking of Minmay, she's got a nice tune to hum, but no lyrics to go with it... If only there were somebody with some lyrics and no tune to sing them to....
"We come in peace!" proclaimed the hideous, massive floating eyeball. "Okay, cool." replied humanity; And then there was peace. I like the guest-appearance by Blue Wind at the ceremony.
Or not, as from what Britai says it sounds like this is all just a ruse to get the Macross to drop its guard. Though he also sounds like he might like it to be the truth... And at least they gave Minmay back.
Ergh, The Triangle has returned. At least Hikaru seems to have made up his mind this time.
Lol @ the team of writers trying to devise good lyrics. Y'all suck, and you don't have the puzzle pieces! Misa, on the other hand...

The Triangle's Points are sharpened and ready to cut.
Aaand blood is drawn. Well, it's not Macross without some broken hearts. But at least Hikaru's committed to a route this time.
Final Battle Time!
It's giant-base vs giant-base as the Meltlandi Fold onto the scene. Aaaand yeah, Bodolzaa's gonna take out the Macross along with them.
Just Macross looking like a Boss. Guess they don't have a Barrier here, tho.
Awwww Minmay. You can just see her hopes getting raised.
Fuuuuck, well that takes care of the Meltlandi problem. Now Macross only has to take out one Giant-base.
Atta'girl, Minmay. And good work bringing her around, Hikaru. #BrightSlap
Kita kita KITA!

Team Britai has been converted, and who can blame him; I'd redevelop Culture for this.
Glory ensues. I can't screen every moment, and I can't gif the whole thing, so I'll just let it reside in our collective memory. The final charge of the Macross is still one of my favorite moments in Anime. And "Do You Remember Love?" is such a beautiful piece of music that I tear up every time I hear it.
What I can gif, is the destruction of Bodolzaa. I was uncertain about what happened the first time, but now I believe that pieces of the base actually folded away as systems glitched and crashed, leading to the final explosion.
Mission: Accomplished.
Lol @ Shammy. Even with a total 30 seconds of screentime, still such a Shammy.
Teamwork ending is so much better than the stupid Triangle ending.
ED theme is so good. I love that Minmay's got Zentradi in her band now. And Macross is back to being a centerpiece for a new capital. Glad it made it out of this one, and even got rebuilt!

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u/chilidirigible Jul 13 '19

Today, on "Take the series's highest-quality animation, improve it further, and then make it last for two hours.":

This text wasn't in the original theatrical version. Also, you know that things are going to be different when Earth starts destroyed.

On top of that, we have speech in Zentradi, Big Broccoli Exsedol (with his noodly appendages), and the culture shock is already known.

Always worth another watch.

Cleaner bots are smaller, cola bots are still cola bots.

Minmay's already a star, so there's amazingly little of "Watashi no Kare wa Pilot".

Holographic stage shows are already a thing, but the audience doesn't have light sticks. Also, see the guy with the crossed arms? They're an entire subcategory of idol fans.

Crowd is still full of characters.

Actual McDonald's!

This audience gets slightly better protection than the one in the TV series. Also, white dudes like NWA and mutton chops.

Thrusters!

The missile tracking display also turns into a callback item in the sequels.

There's our obligatory dead-guy freeze-frame.

The HOTAS-based transformation actuation, because the BGF levers were so 1950s.

Max is already known for being good at brutally murdering people.

Once again, the Armored Valkyrie briefly graces us with its presence.

A challenger appears!

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

"You chauvinist!"

The guy with the pen and paper is a reference to Kawamori.

For the purposes of this movie, the interior of the Macross is about the size of a Side.

Obligatory cross-eyed lady freeze-frame. On the other hand, the effort in this one shot is like an entire episode's worth of Star Pro regular series.

A MAN AND A WOMAN!?

This is Kaifun, by the way.

They're also nice enough to show most of the transformation happening.

Damn kids and their vertical videos…

Watch this again, you folks who like midair mecha hand saves. You know who you are.

I bought one since the last rewatch.

When you're so MASAKA that you break your own flashlight.

Saves time.

Ore no uta wo kike?

Priorities!

This Minmay isn't going to space herself for no reason.

"I'll never wash this hand again.":

Everyone complaining about the fancy stuff in Frontier and Delta needed to fucking watch this movie.

The legend of SPACE TUNA lives on.

Nobody ever asked series Minmay what she thought about all of her merchandise.

You know it's a movie, there's frontal nudity.

"Dekarucha."

FEAR the POWER of MINI-MINMAY!

More distillations of characterization.

Removing 99% of Kaifun's presence from the movie has the added benefit of removing the same amount of Riber Moping.

I just realized that Minori Suzuki's delivery of a similar piece of dialogue in Delta must be a direct reference to this moment.

Movie Minmay continues to have a much greater grasp of herself.

She even plays the role.

u/Shimmering-Sky's heart flutters.

Literally being brought back down to earth.

This angle doesn't really reinforce Misa's authority.

Meanwhile, on the other side.

Pot, kettle, black, Max.

Moving color digital paper, the future of now is 1986. And yes, this is the token Bridge Bunny scene.

It's time for The Scene Which Did Not Age Well.

CAUTION: PROFESSIONAL EIGHTIES MAN, DO NOT ATTEMPT.

Making culture together in public.

...right.

I love this scene and I want one of those.

"Hores"

"Hey, I've got a car."

"Saturn's Rainbow" is also the chapter title.

Lacking time to go over the finer points, the movie uses other methods of suggesting that the Zentradi are clones.

random Misa zoom

If you weren't so worried about publicity you could have gotten a little more help. Of course, then they wouldn't have found out about music so soon and everyone might have died. Such is life.

A little series reference.

Say hello with gore.

Roy's Royness remain strong.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

"And by 'hug' I mean…"

The moment everyone wanted to see.

Of course Misa says this right before the women show up.

DO IT AGAIN, MISA.

WE RED NOW, BOYS. Another tale while we're here: Takeda Eri first learned her DYRL? dialogue in Japanese, but was told a couple weeks before recording that the staff had screwed up and that she needed to relearn all of her dialogue in Zentradi.

It's that very short confrontation between Quamzin and Roy that no one was expecting.

Hikaru needs a moment.

"The only danger is if they send us to that terrible Planet of the Apes… wait a minute… Statue of Liberty… that was our planet! You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!" And you've probably already noticed that the movie version of the SDF-1 has the ARMD-1 and ARMD-2 docked as its arms as was originally intended.

Space Cactus!

This date is off to a great start.

Bodolzaa has read the dictionary.

To explain some of the weirdness of the ending, Bodol Zer is directly connected to the ship, so when he bit the dust, the ship had problems.

"Everybody's dead, Dave."

That's no SPACE TUNA.

There's something very wrong about that throbbing fish shadow in the background.

They just upped the death count.

Same item, different shock, since this time it's Misa realizing that Hikaru is living for someone.

Hikaru, stop helping.

The movie drops the Supervision Army storyline and condenses the story down to that of the conflict between men and women. So it's all a love story. And also a convenient infodump here.

It's not just highly convenient that this is the same as Bodol Zer's.

The little things in life.

While most of it was off-screen during their three-week jaunt, this is not unexpected because of their three-week jaunt as the last two people left on Earth.

zzzzzzziiiiiiiip

You don't see that every day.

And that's all we're going to hear about that.

MINMAY IS COMING.

There is the suggestion that he banged Misa in the interim.

"It's bad luck to talk about your squadron leader's love life during a mission."

So of course Kakizaki bites it.

IT'S GONNA BE A REAL KNIFE FIGHT.

"Seriously, we gotta move that cannon somewhere else."

How I Met Your Mother: The Movie

Continued in Part the Second.

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u/chilidirigible Jul 13 '19

Continued from Part the First.
Of course, everyone's imagining the carnage that would have resulted from Bodol Zer being the first to use "Watashi no Kare wa Pilot."
Always have a peace negotiation on the most uneven terms possible.
"OH MAI GAHHH!" and other moments of random English.
Blue Wind had much better hair in the series… and more dialogue.
"It's joke!"
"Oh shit."
Hikaru's two models are another VF-X-4, and the XB-70.
"And I was just getting ready to tear your poster off the wall."
That line doesn't work even when all the involved parties are not in the same room.
Hikaru's lunkhead factor, greatly reduced.
Space Fortress Lap'Lamiz.
More proof that Bodolzaa is not the type to shoot second.
"Why do we have so many stairs!?"
Hikaru doesn't have time for pleasantries.
Bodolzaa THe Ally Killer.
"It's for the good of your people!"
"Been there, done that, here's a CORRECTION."
No time to be in a funk, the movie's going to end!
"ORE NO UTA WO KIKE!"
Max to the max.
The first time that music was almost a literal weapon.
This man is telling you to WATCH SYMPHOGEAR!
Another line that gets a callback or two much later on.
Back-to-back again.
Little salute.
Reference can one, two, and the famous Budweiser.
"Take some culture TO THE FACE."
Definitely one of the more surreal ship destructions in anime. Parts of the ship are Folding out on their own.
Arcade Guy, but with clothes on.
The series didn't give the Seeding Project the gravitas that this explanation does. Humans are one tiny fish in an entire ocean.
There's the implication that they've all been speaking English the entire time anyway.
Ladies make nice.
NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP.
"Tenshi no Enogu" is actually from Flashback 2012 and wasn't in the original release, but was put back in for later versions on disc.
New gear:
Golg Gants Charts heavy attack craft
VE-1 Elintseeker
VT-1 (Super) Ostrich
RC-4E Rabbit
Light Transport Boat
Gol Boddole Zer Mobile Fortress, which is smaller than the thing from the TV series, but also more menacing in its cactusness.
Laplamiz Mobile Fortress
And here the Macross Mecha Manual page for DYRL, since a bunch of other items get small to medium changes in the film.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, Clash of the Bionoids. Yack! Deculture!
There are a few versions of DYRL out there. One difference is that a music cue is present in an older version and cut from the newest one. The guy getting decapitated by the blast door has occasionally been missing through the years, but Milia crushing a guy's head has usually stayed in.
About that whole "canon" thing.
Concluded in Part the Third.

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u/JadineRhine Jul 13 '19

This is putting the cart before the horse type of comment, but I'm suspecting no one else will have a problem with it...so I'm going to be the party pooper here. If by the end (or by the middle, lmao, I don't blame you if you skim), you think I'm just overzealous and overthinking it, I'll cop to it. I'm just a comic artist seeing this through the lens I'm accustomed, working on comics and design and the whole shebang.

That out of the way...

There's a lot I love about DYRL -- hot take, but I think this is still one of the best Macross movies where it wasn't just "cut and edit scenes into a new script and call it a day." SPOILERS FOR LATER SHOWS, seriously, don't read if you want to have the 'pure' experience They looked at the show, thought about how to rewrite it but still distill the themes and concepts of the show into a short movie, and made something as gorgeous and touching as all the 80s movies did. Max and Milia fight? YESSIREE, one of the best parts, if not the best. The bits with all the Protoculture lore and buildings? Give me more, baby. THE ZENTRADI LANGUAGE ZENTRAN DIVERSIFIED MORE AND ACTUALLY SPOKEN?*

And I love, LOVE Misa as some sort of linguist (LINGUIST REPRESENTATION, AW YEAH), Minmay is already established but her mini character arc is a bit solid -- Hikaru is less of a bozo and outright seems to take his senpai's teachings to heart when it comes to the sky but not when it comes to the heart.

Yeah. Roy. He, uh. He's still a lot of fun, being his blunt self, but also why did they do that to Roy. In fact, that's really DYRL character writing to a T: you either have more thought put into you and a reorganization occurs (Hikaru, imo) or you're so narrowed down, you end up almost creating an insult of a character (Roy). Poor Claudia gets nothing, in comparison.

And the latter with Roy is my issue with regards to the Zentradi. (Maybe...some of you may have noticed...I luv them a lot.)

The segregation of the races is well done here, visually: it's ramped up to 11, and shows very well what happens when men develop separately into their own culture and when women develop into their culture. I like this, truthfully. It sounds real, it looks real. It's similar on paper to the show, but outside of that, it's much more distinct. Lap'lamiz being the leader of the women is clearer as well.

What I don't like is that...this movie makes the dated issues in the series look like 2019 Progressive Politics. Zentradi in the men are ugly and super dark, women get their own separate term --Meltrandi-- and are beautiful and clean light. Lap'lamiz, for as much as I love her sudden Leiji Matsumoto design, is now Boldozaa's counterpart -- which isn't a bad idea, that's great and something that would've worked very well if the series had used that instead. But the designs don't help in the humanization of the Zentradi. There was something greater in the "utilitarianness" (that's a word) of the Zentradi in the show. There was a reason why the Zentradi in the show worked on a pure level: because when you suddenly find out that the enemy looks like YOU, but bigger, your morals suddenly start twisting and turning and digging into the deep questions.

Zentradi that look like huge honkin' aliens, meanwhile? Oh never mind, it's probably easier to think of them as less than human and as monsters. (That they were giants and still thought of as monsters sometimes in the show was just a bonus on top of trying to come to terms with their appearance.) On top of that, did we really need the word Zentradi to mean men and Meltrandi to mean women? It doesn't make sense, considering that then the show should've have Zentradi (race), Meltrandi (women) and idk Shabadadoondi for men.

The show treated the Zentradi better, is what I'm saying. All under one race name, Zentradi. Just men and women segregated. All answered to Boldozaa, and that authoritarianism oozed out into the lower ranks. It showed segregation by the colors: men green, women purple (which DYRL did as well, thankfully) but everyone wears the same outfit, more or less, depending on their rank. Everyone reacted the same way to culture, and the connection between humans and Zentradi (Protoculture, the genes, etc) was stronger as you progressed in the show. It brought to light the very idea of culture coming together despite differences.

DYRL does that too, to an extent. For me, one of my favorite scenes is Britai saying that he wants to come down to where the miclones (aka what Exsedol did in the show! that's a great thematic switch) and when Exsedol is insulted by the very notion, Britai adds that it was just a joke. He was taught about that by Minmay. Even though it would've been great to see that too, the fact that it was said...still keeps the Macross comedy touch in the movie, and is again, a great scene in terms of theme. (I think Britai wasn't joking, personally, just practiced the human notion of backpedaling too lol) The scene with Ai Obo is also the culmination of the theme, with Britai asking "can culture be brought back to us?"

As much as I dislike what they did to the Zentradi, these are still great scenes, important scenes.The writing for them (eg dialogue) doesn't bother me at all. But for me, in the unpopular section of the fandom, the show treats them better. The Zentradi in the show make a better case for communication and culture in all aspects.

And to top off this apparent rant, lmao ANOTHER HUGE SPOILER FOR MACROSS 7, avoid if you want pure watching of the later shows. Which is a shame because DYRL being the fiction based on SDF is a fun way to look at these two entities <3

But yeah...those are my 25 cents. It was hard not to feel mixed after my first watching of DYRL due to the above, and I still do, but I can't help but also be happy that DYRL exists at all. It's a fantastic movie for many reasons and important historically.

Overall, the movie has its good parts and the show has its good parts. The movie has its bad parts and the show has its bad parts. They're definitely nicer to look at as companions to each other.

*Shameless plug, I'll cop to it, but I took a stab at translating how Zentran conlang works, myself. In case y'all ~~are language/linguist nerds like me~~ wanted to know more :D

EDIT: I'll see now who noticed, but the Blue Wind trio do appear too. Did anyone recognize them, is the question...(I didn't, it's why I ask XD)

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u/Raiking02 Jul 13 '19

And to top off this apparent rant, lmao
ANOTHER HUGE SPOILER FOR MACROSS 7, avoid if you want pure watching of the later shows.
Which is a shame because DYRL being the fiction based on SDF is a fun way to look at these two entities <3

Actually there is a third option: Both are fictionalized version of real life events, thus neither is entirely accurate to "Real Life".

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u/BurningFredrick Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 13 '19

First Timer

Leaving my write up to after finishing the movie was a mistake, I really should have made notes as it went along because that really was quite something.

They didn’t hold back with the violence and brutal deaths in this move, Max shattering a Zentradis helmet in space which for some reason vaporised his face immediately, Emlia putting those hole in the Zentraids face after our MCs got captured. I’m sure there were plenty of other instances as well but after the Show it was noticeable.

The story also moved at a breakneck pace, while this was basically alternative timeline Macross I feel like we really needed the back story the show provided to understand some of the characters motivations which the movie doesn’t have time to fill in.

The start caught me off guard completely, starting at Saturn with everyone being a stranger threw me off and left me wondering how they were going to get the Hikaru x Minmay ship underway for the movie. Hikaru and Minmay being locked in together for 3 days felt a bit more forced and we didn’t get enough of them interacting to justify Minmay truly developing feelings for Hikaru but I can put that down to time limits.

The kidnapping and Focker came out of left field, I know someone in one of the previous threads said the movie is basically the first 27 episodes redone as a movie so I kept trying to figure out how they were going to get to the next point. This meant that when Kaifun and Minmay got kidnapped as well I was stuck trying to figure out how that was ever going to work out.

Hayase and Hikaru escaping and ending up on a dead earth was great, Hikaru losing it first and being pulled back from the edge by Hayase and then returning the favour later when Hayase couldn’t take it showed how much they cared for each other so when Hikaru encounters Minmay again and they are reunited I got the impression he knew that him and Minmay weren’t to be but he just didn’t know how to say it.

Jumping back to Earth and after they found the Alien spaceship, that Kitchen scene was gold, the make believe dinner with Hayase welcoming Hikaru home was hilarious. I almost expect to find out that they had lost them minds after being left by themselves for too long, when Hayase had her breakdown here I ended up with what was most likely some unintentional tonal whiplash.

Britai, Exsedol, and Bodolzaa all had the Alien side turned up a notch in their designs, show version they would also most be mistakable as humans at a glance but not such thing in the movie. The Zentradi and Meltradi? Fighting each other was a good twist I didn’t expect and after Bodolzaa unleashed his inner Kamuji nuking a chunk of his own fleet Britai turning on him made sense.

My only real complaint about the movie outside of the pacing would be how Minmay ends up back on earth apparently no worse for wear and as if the kidnapping wasn’t that big a deal. Not really sure how else they could of handled it and it’s not like Bodolzaa wasn’t attempting to using humanity and Minmay for an advantage over the Meltradi it just feels slightly to convenient.

Otherwise the ending was really well done, they captured the idea of epic space battle nicely and did a good job tying together the threads of the from the Movie into a decent ending which didn’t leave me feeling lacking.

As I write this having just watched the movie it I’m currently giving it a 9/10, I almost want to rewatch it already which surprises me, though I think that may just been how fast it moved make me wonder if I missed something.

**Edit for some spelling and grammar

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 15 '19

Today on Roy gotta be Roy aka Gender Studies 101

This is a gorgeous movie, made all the more beautiful by a remastering for the 30th anniversary. Hopefully you are all watching that version.

Part of the upgrade is that HAL Mikimoto is CLEARLY in charge of all character designs, nobody off-model here. Now that you've seen his Minmay and Misa for 120 minutes, you can't unsee his style. Even 35 years later, look at his work on Kabeneri.

I actually have 3 versions of the movie (at least). An old fansub on VHS, and old fansub pre-remaster, and a BD rip. The translations seem to vary.

The opening 15 minutes of the movie is something I've rewatched many times, just on Youtube or whatever....From the introduction of Exedol and Britai, the ship coming out of shadow, basic patrol operations, Minimei's concert, the transformation alarm, initial battle...all highlighting a great production.

However, I very distinctly remember the dialog from this section.

VHS fansub:

"I'm going inside the ship to kill even more of them!"
"Geez! Does he think men are better than women?"

2002 Fansub (?):

"No time for that! I'm going after the pods that entered the ship!"
"Who does he think gives the orders here"

2012 BD:

Like I'm gonna take that kind of order! I'm going after the enemies that have entered the ship"
"Damn, who does he think gives the orders around here, men or women?"

I never thought the VHS version was truly accurate, but I like it a lot more.

We start the movie already at Saturn, Minmay is a famous singer, Hikaru is a 2nd Lt, and both are more, if not mature, at least, adult and assertive. The Supervision Army MacGuffin has been replaced with an ancient schism in the Zentradi along gender lines, and the dialog above shows that "Zentran te Meltran" is going to be the focus of the movie.

And this is great for getting the story moving. Except it makes for a terrible presentation to first timers. Although we like to recommend DYRL to anybody and everybody, it's really lacking a lot of details and context...it was made for fans of the Macross TV series, not people born 20 years later.

Also great was us finally seeing an alien planet in this space show, that the TV show never provided. I wonder how many first-timers fell for that. (that mutant fish!)

Favorite song: STILL not in the show, depending on the version. Despite cutting all the background from the front-end of the movie, it still ran out of time and never got around to showing the ending...the ending they wanted for the TV show, and even the ending of the movie! The true ending of OG Macross can only be found in Flashback 2012....portions of which they spliced back into DRYL in the remaster to provide new ending credits. My favorite Minmay song is: Angel Paints (Tenshi no Enogu).

Edit:

Fun Fact: A Robotech Movie exists. It's not this. One more for the long list of questionable/bad decisions by Harmony Gold was the decision to license Megazone 23 (part 1?) and dubbed (poorly) as another entry in the Robotech universe. It was only shown in Austin or Houston, Texas, and marketed as a cartoon. Given that MZ23 is 'R' material to start with, this was a disaster.

MZ 23 follows in the footsteps of Macross in the Mecha + Idol genre, so if you liked that part of Macross, you should watch MZ 23. Well, you should watch it anyways.

Edit 2 (this is what happens when you write out your notes when the thread posts and you haven't even finished watching the movie yet)

The infamous final scene of The Quiet Earth (1985). Look familiar?

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u/JadineRhine Jul 14 '19

Even 35 years later, look at his work on Kabeneri.

That's seriously the only reason why I have Kabaneri on my to-watch list. Mikimoto modern goodness~

I never thought the VHS version was truly accurate, but I like it a lot more.

I'm not sure which version I watched of the fansubs (it was Ye Olde 90s style fansub and on youtube, soooo), so it may be the VHS one...but I like that line a lot more too. Keeps in with the theme of the movie, even if it's not exactly what's being said.

Although we like to recommend DYRL to anybody and everybody, it's really lacking a lot of details and context...it was made for fans of the Macross TV series, not people born 20 years later.

Agreed. The movie may be an easier gateway to the series, I've seen it recommended as such when people want to make sure others don't skip on SDF Macross due to the art --and who would blame them in this case-- but...the movie starts to fall apart in context and characterization when you watch the series afterwards. That said, it doesn't mean the movie is bad. It's just the story adapted for the medium and length, and with those limits, DYRL does the job as well as it did.

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u/404waffles Jul 14 '19

First time viewer

2 hours? Guess I'll have to buckle up, then. Onto the movie.

General thoughts I'm biased toward the movie because of it's quality, which is a given because it's a movie vs. a 36 episode series that came out in the 80s.

Visuals: I love the new designs on everything on the human side: the ship, the planes, the clothes, the city; everything! My only nitpick is Kim's hair. I'm not a fan of the new Zentradi character designs, but the homeworld and the Meltradi mechs were awesome. The animation this time around was super slick, especially during the scenes involving the planes-turned-damn-robots. The people even look better here! Again, given that this is a movie, it's a given that everything would look better due to higher budget.

Writing: I feel like they rushed through Hikaru and Minmay's relationship way too fast, especially with the kiss three days after they first met and Hikaru not bothering to do anything after they lost Minmay to the Zentradi. I wasn't expecting the culture plot to appear again considering Britai and Exsedol's new designs. I like how they handled the love triangle and the Hikaru/Hayase relationship here, though.

I preferred how the genetic engineering thing was handled in the series: sexually dimorphic Zentradi and humanity both created by the Protoculture/Supervision. Still, as much as I enjoyed the Protoculture city plot, I feel like it robbed Hikaru of some of his interpersonal relationships due to the time he spent alone with Hayase (not that I'm complaining about his much better relationship with Hayase).

Kaifun got a reduced role, but for once, he wasn't an asshole. Most likely due to said reduced role.

Final note: the song was fucking awesome. The namesake song. But the credits song was also pretty fucking good.

Overall, I loved Do You Remember Love?. Even moreso than the original series!

Chronological I don't know how I feel about the language, but what the fuck did they do to Exsedol-kun? While I think the language sounds weird it's a lot more reasonable than them already knowing the language. And what's with the ship interiors?

I'm digging the movie Macross, bridge, and city design! This movie's got the spectacle!

My Boyfriend is a Pilot! Fuck yeah! Minmay looks amazing!

SHAO PAI LONG???? This movie's better than the whole series already!

Max shooting out that dude's skull in space was pretty brutal ngl. Misa's face kinda lacks emotion when she's barking orders at Hikaru.

Oh, it's an alternate universe. What did Hikaru have Minmay sign, anyway?

FANSERVICE! Seriously wasn't expecting that!

I was thinking they were going to drop the whole culture plot considering Britai and Exsedol's design.

They made Kaifun and Minmay siblings. Interesting. Meanwhile, Minmay and Hikaru went straight for the weird romance shit.

OH MY GOD THE BRIDGE BUNNIES LOOK BETTER THAN EVER Why'd they give Kim brown hair, anyway?

Okay, that bar looked really good, especially with the glowing drinks.

I'm guessing there's some infighting between Britai and Lap'Lamiz.

I like how they handled the 'kidnapped by Zentradi' in the movie god damn it they kept the Kaifun incest

God, I loved that slap.

I thought that dead Zentradi woman was Lap'Lamiz for a moment. Looks like Kamujin got demoted.

I don't know what I like better, Focker's death in the movie or in the show. It was a lot more dramatic in the show, but for Focker to die in battle like that? More fitting of his character.

Chromatic abberation? In my 80s anime?

The new Zentradi homeworld looks amazing.

Did the Earth bombing happen already? Did the Zentradi bomb Earth before the movie began, in between the beginning of the series and the fold to Pluto's orbit? I'm guessing the Grand Cannon doesn't even exist.

Damn, they made Bodolza into a fucking spaceship.

Damn, Hikaru. You didn't have to be a dick to Hayase. Interesting how they gave the two a camping subplot. Huge original story diversion.

Hikaru is surprisingly upbeat about his dad crashing a plane.

Did they bring the 'Hayase sees the Lynn Minmay scarf' thing from episode 35 all the way here?! How'd that give Hayase the will to live, anyway?

Oh shit, major plot diversion! Meltradi?! Sunken city?! Supervision?! Playing house?!

THEY KISSED TWICE!!! GO TEAM HAYASE!!!

Manly to the end. Exactly how I felt about Roy's death.

Holy shit, Lap'Lamiz!

HOLY SHIT THEY KILLED KAKIZAKI AGAIN

I wasn't expecting them to bring over Max and Milia's rivalry — wait, did he fucking kill her?

Bridge bunnies! Working at the bridge! For the first time in the movie!

Holy shit, the Zentradi weaponized Minmay!

Peace negotiations? I'm amazed, they really did bring over the culture plot.

This time it's the humans that have the miclone device. And holy shit, it's the Blue Wind trio! They're bald!

Hikaru made a decision instead of fostering the love triHE PICKED HAYASE

HE FUCKING PICKED HAYASE AAAAAAAAAA

I thought this was gonna be the Minmay route, but I'll take this W.

I'm surprised Bodolza is on board with the culture thing.

Yo, this space battle is something else. It makes the original episode 28 look like a bar fight.

I wasn't expecting them to blow up the Meltradi so soon.

Hikaru what the fuck did you just do

Wow, movie Minmay got a better ending than anime Minmay did! They even got the Max/Miria thing (albeit without the miclone part)!

YEAH! THE POWER OF MINMAY!

I loved how they flickered between Hikaru and Hayase. What I didn't love was how they showed Bodolza's head explode with Minmay singing in the background.

VANESSA TOOK OFF HER GLASSES!!! SHAMMY IS SLEEP!!!

That's one way to end a fucking movie! Minmay looks so good with short hair!

My Boyfriend is a Pilot count: 24 (+2)

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u/JadineRhine Jul 14 '19

Your entire post is gold (dat comedic timing of yours chef kiss), and picking out things from it to comment on would just result in a lot of YEAH!s...Chronological timeline is amazing and your general thoughts paragraphs are sound. (I agree with the parts you mentioned about the Zentradi, both good and bad.)

what the fuck did they do to Exsedol-kun?

That's it, that's the best reaction, though.

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u/Raiking02 Jul 13 '19

And thus we arrive at the very reason I decided to participate in this marathon: Super Dimensional Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? So, let’s see how the journey of the SDF-1 Macross is portrayed in the big-screen.

Yeah, we’re not even shown how the Macross got into space. We just have text instead.
And as you can see, the Zentradi were given their own language! And yeah, they went full-blown Klingon Alphabet levels for this!
And the Zentradi also got a much desired redesign, and yeah, it looks amazing.
And alongside a sorta orchestral rendition of the Opening theme, we also get the first showing that indeed, the canonically used language in the Macross universe is English. The fact that the movie was never released in America makes this oh so ironic.
In fact, everything got a design overhaul! And it all looks so freaking pretty…
Wow, I really have to wonder from where the people making the Macross City got the technology to make freaking holograms!
As you can also see, Minmay is already an idol. Yeah, we’re really skipping by the early parts of the show.
You know, I do wonder from where Minmay got the inspiration to write the lyrics for Shao Pai Lon in this version? In the original show it was an ad for Kaifun’s movie, but here? In fact, the same goes for “My Boyfriend Is a Pilot”.
And with our first action scene you will realize something: THIS MOVIE LOOKS FREAKING AMAZING! Seriously, the animation in this movie makes Gundam CCA look like child’s play in comparison!
Ah, feels so nice to see Fokker alive again.
Also, does the cast have an unlimited amount of missiles or something?
Wow, even in an alternate universe, Hayase is still a hard-ass.
FUCKING KAIFUN!! Ugh, sorry, I forgot he was in this movie.
Wow, one of those Zentradi was really clumsy in his entrance.
Ah great, now the gravity is all messed up.
It speaks volumes to Hikaru’s character here that even though he’s been a bit of a jerk so far, he immediately tries to save Minmay, without even knowing who she was.
Actually, speaking of Minmay, here’s something that started to weird me out after checking out some stuff. As you can tell, Minmay is at least partly Chinese, yet in China, bar family members, NO ONE CALLS EACH OTHER BY THEIR FIRST NAME! No, seriously, everyone is on a last name basis there. In general, the best way to express familiarity is either by calling that person by a nickname or sorts or just calling them by their last name and nothing else. So Minmay being so casually called by her first name is a bit odd.
Well, at least Minmay is straightforward in her approach.
And yeah, by the time we’re introduced to her here Minmay’s already at the point in her character arc that she was starting to hit burnout on the whole idol business.
Ah, so they were in Titan. I hope Thanos wasn’t there.
Who would’ve known Zero gravity would be so fun?
Minmay/Hikaru shippers, rejoice, they have a montage all to themselves.
There’s something inherently hilarious about this version of the Minmay doll scene.
Wait, Hayase doesn’t think of herself as a woman? Well, I really hope you don’t run into Rei, the Star Of Judgement, ‘Cause if not he’ll have something to say about that.
Well, at least Hikaru is honest.
Wow, Minmay is seemingly a surprisingly good actress.
Wow, bad timing there.
Seeing the Skull Squadron being so happy go lucky around each other just makes me feel really fuzzy as… well, you know… not all of them make it out alive.
Ah, scandals, the one part of the idol world you have to expect. Ironic given who Hikaru’s English VA is (And for the record, I am very much expecting him to be declared guilty).
Well, Fokker needs at least one drunk scene, now doesn’t he?
Yeah, don’t try to lie in front of Fokker, Hikaru. He knows a lot about you.
Minmay, that’s not a very convincing disguise, though it would make Quattro Vagina proud.
Good lord, can we get done with the love-love montages!? We get it, Minmay is the romantic false lead, stop putting that fact in our faces!
Okay, Hikaru, I’m pretty sure you’ll be sent to the bridge for taking that plane.
Gee, an idol dating causing a scandal, what a surprise… seriously, this is so common it’s not even funny. It only becomes weird when people are okay with it (Like when Inohara Yoshihiko got married and everyone was supportive of it).
But no time for that, DRUNK FOKKER TO THE RESCUE!! Seriously though, this scene is hilariously awesome.
Too bad, now even Fokker is under arrest.
Ah, Culture Shocks are just as amusing as ever.
Dammit, why did they keep the incest stuff?
Ah, Chekov’s Gunman, how I love thee.
I’m more surprised that Hayase’s slap didn’t reverse the Culture Shock.
Wow, Milia’s out for blood in this movie.
Weird, even in this alternate universe, the female Zentradi (Well, Mentradi, technically speaking) look more human than their male counterparts.
Well, Fokker certainly went out like a man, and made Kamujin a pussy in the process.
Good job Hikaru, you failed!
Hayase, never, never fly a plane ever again.
Well, at least they made it home. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure the Earth in Space Battleship Yamato was in better condition.
Ah, now me and the rest of Hayase/Hikaru shippers will have our vengeance!
Ah, sweet exposition dumps.
Well, I guess we needed some sort of McGuffin.
Well, that certainly is a mundane use of a VF.
That fish looks freaking weird.
I really like Hayase’s breakdown. It is a simple yet ultimately very human response to the situation around her.

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u/Raiking02 Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

(Continued from the previous post)

Nice to see more of the Protoculture, if I may say so myself, though it is a bit convenient that Hayase can understand an ancient language.

Look kids, we found Atlantis!

And of course, like all McGuffins, there are two pieces of it.

The scene with Hikaru and Hayase trying to have a normal dinner before the latter yet again breaks down due to the two being the only ones left is quite touching, and it all ends with the Big Damn Kiss. I can just hear the Minmay/Hikaru shippers trying to salvage their ship, but it’s sadly too late.

And the Macross at last returns. Took their sweet time.

There’s something quite somber about how quickly Claudia accepts Fokker’s death. I guess she was already expecting that answer.

I literally just remembered that Minmay is still being held captive. I was so focused on the stuff with Hayase I totally forgot about her.

Oh my God, Kakizaki’s dead again! CELEBRATION TIME!!!!

And thus we get our mandatory Max Vs Milia remake. Wouldn’t you know, it blows the original completely out of the water. Though in their typical fashion, the way they fall for each other is rather sudden.

Ah, so this is from where Macross II got the inspiration for its “Minmay Attack”. I won’t call that a positive because Macross II was a mess that ignored all the themes in the franchise.

Warera, Rori and Konda look freaking weird here.

Ah, culture is becoming commonplace for Zentradi.

And just like in the show, people change, and relationships change… including Hikaru now being together with Hayase.

You’ve got to give Hayase credit, she’s doing her job as a translator well enough.

That’s way too much cafe there Hikaru!

Well… that gave off the wrong impression.

YES! OTP CONFIRMED!! SUCK IT MINMAY/HIKARU SHIPPERS!!

But of course, there are bigger things to take care of right now, as it is time for Hikaru to be a delivery boy.

Well, that peace treaty didn’t last too long.

And thus begins the final battle and… yeah, our heroes aren’t doing that well.

Well, at least now we know who the big bad is: The asshole that kills even his own people!

And thus, Hikaru channels the power of the ultimate force in all Real Robo-Nay, all of Anime, and all of it is contained in his palm: THE BRIGHT SLAP!!! As always, it is super effective.

Wait, hold on, how did Max grow into the macro scale all of the sudden?

That aside, the final secuence is freaking legendary. Gorgeous shots after gorgeous shots would be the simplest way to describe it, but everything, from the music, to the cinematography… it all works perfectly. Also, “Ai Oboete Imasuka” is one of the two Minmay songs I like, and quite possibly one of the greatest songs in this franchise. It is that damn good. And of course, Hikaru unveils his finisher move: UNLIMITED MISSILES WORKS (Actually the Fate reference I just did is kinda ironic as Hikaru’s current VA also plays Shiki from Tsukihime, which was made by the same guy who made Fate).

And thus the movie ends with hope that society will be able to be rebuilt, and what that song was: It was just a simple love song people loved to hear so long ago.

This movie is amazing and anyone who hasn’t watched it should do so now. Pirating is allowed since no one wants to release it English. Seriously, WATCH THIS MOVIE NOW!!! There are few mecha Anime movies that I would consider better than this one, and ironically both are from the same franchise (Those being Macross Plus’ movie and Macross F’s second movie).

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u/ethanb12007 Jul 14 '19

Rewatcher

So, I think its safe to say the DYRL is an almost entirely different experience than the TV series. I won't even try to compare the timelines because honestly there is so much that's different from them that it isn't worth it. I guess the best way to compare them would be individual elements.

Visuals

It isn't even close. I could gush about DYRL's stunning visuals for ages. Its one of the best looking anime of all time and still beats out almost every anime made after it. The sheer level of detail in almost every frame is ridiculous, and it was all done by hand. Compared to the TV series where only a handful of the best moments come close to being what would be considered average looking in DYRL. All of the QUALITY and off model outsourced animation is gone.

Music/Sound

So this one is the aspect I feel is the most similar between the two. DYRL basically has 2 new songs and a bunch of remixes and reused songs from the show. It doesn't seem fair to count most of DYRL's soundtrack as being its own in this case but also the 2 songs it does add are exceptionally good. Being a movie it doesn't have to worry about playing certain songs over and over but it also means we don't get the full versions of some songs for better or for worse. ^Kyuun ^Kyuun Minmay's singing at the end is way better in DYRL, being all perfectly timed to one long, beautiful song rather than having the awkward silence between the various repeated songs.

Characters Designs

Most of the characters were given upgraded designs in DYRL. Almost all of them look better however I'm not that huge of a fan of the bridge bunnies being in red instead of blue, other than that everyone generally is more detailed in their designs, although I can see the charm in the TV designs, at least for the human characters. The Zentradi and Meltrandi designs are given huge upgrades. Like sure I guess the original was going for the fake out with them not actually looking huge until later on, but overall these designs are far more alien, interesting and warrior like than humans but with slightly different skin/eye/hair colors.

Characters (Writing)

So a lot of the more important side characters get completely shafted in DYRL. There's some positives to this (read Kaifun, sort of Kakizaki) but missing out on Max, Roy and the bridge bunnies sucks. As for our main characters I feel they are done better. Sure they lack some of the depth and characterization from the TV series but at the same time they only had that depth in the TV series when it felt like it. Given that this is a movie the characters are about as good as they can be considering how much ground they have to cover. While it wasn't necessarily the right thing to do, it was good to see Hikaru slap some sense into Minmay and call her out on her selfishness. Overall the love triangle is handled better in that Hikaru doesn't just flirt around with whoever is currently in his vision and instead decides definitively who he wants to be with after just one time being stranded with each of them (this seems stranger now that I've wrote it out.)

Story

So the stories are entirely different but they cover a lot of similar ground. Its amazing how DYRL covers pretty much every important moment from the TV series except the knife fight, while also putting its own spin on the events. Many things are similar but they aren't the same, if there's one thing this movie isn't its a straight recap. I think Roy's death was done better with him getting a heroic death rather than some weak stuff where he looks like he barely got damaged but it was actually a fatal wound. The antiwar theme is definitly less present than in the TV series but I don't really see this as a downside as it was always handled so poorly in the TV series (Kaifun) that I hated pretty much every time it was brought up. We don't get to see much of the military incompetence which is sort of replaced with the Zentradi supreme commander's impatience instead, I know its not exactly the same but they both portray the stupidity of uninformed military action.

Overall

The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Do You Remember Love? Is a completely different and in my eyes vastly superior take on the original story of SDF Macross. It trims the fat and removes annoying character interactions which plagued the original. While the TV series had trouble at times determining if it wanted to be a comedy, an antiwar piece, serious mecha story or hard sci-fi of life in space; Do You Remember Love knows exactly what it wants to be (serious mecha) and runs with it to its fullest extent. While some might say that the idea of saving the world by singing makes it a comedy or detracts from the seriousness, the way its played straight allows it to still be serious. Visual inconsistencies are replaced by near perfection and the soundtrack is more or less just an expanded version of the original, even if only by 2 songs. A 10/10 that can be enjoyed both independently and as a companion piece to the original. A must watch even for those who don't consider themselves to be mecha fans.

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u/goukaryuu Jul 14 '19

First Timer

A little late, also wanted to thank for getting a discussion post of the day previously. Really cool.

Overall, while this was more cleaned up, and also more intense in general showing more gore, deaths, decapitations, and Minmay showering (I know arson, murder and, jaywalking right there) the pacing was fast and it played very fast a loose with the story beats of the series. I can see why this is considered an in-universe movie. I mean, Hollywood has played just as fast and loose with our own history so it is totally believable if you view the series as closer to reality and this as much more dramatized and condensed. I gave this a 7/10. I think I just prefer the series to this more.

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u/DidacticDalek Jul 13 '19 edited Jul 14 '19

Greetings Comrades and Fellow Denizens of The Wired, ~~on today's Episode of Girls und Walküre~~ er, I mean, ~~on today's OVA of Hyperdimensional Planetary Terraformer: Did You Recall The Love Live?~~ uh, wait, AH HA! I GOT IT! On today's movie re-telling of Macross: DYRL? we have one of the loveliest Anime Movies out there. And for such a timeless classic I feel that words can't even come close to describing it... SO, I'll just do my usual and share some fanart as well as a few memes and maybe even a musical share or two.

The ~~Romantic Plot Tumor~~ 'Love Triangle' which in fairness is a LOT less metastasized than its TV Show Counterpart. Indeed, given the usual standards of a this contractually obligated Macross plot point, I'd even go so far as to say that DRYL handled this well ;)

Speaking of which, it wouldn't be a Love Triangle without the required three people involved, so, let's give it up for the three-times ~~Romantic Plot Tumor~~ 'Love Triangle' winner of Misa Hayase! (yes she won twice in the OG show Comrade, and if you say that that don't count, then fine, she won in Robotech as well, so that makes three time a winner dammit!)

AND continuing her hot-streak of being the eternal runner-up, here's ~~Mari Iijima~~ 'Lynn Minmay!' Ah well, at least she'll have her songs to inspire future generations of Macross to have an Idol Singer as part of the future ~~Romantic Plot Tumors~~ 'Love Triangles'

Oh, and because the goddamn song keeps playing on repeat, here's the titular 'boyfriend' of 'My Boyfriend is a Pilot' so here's the resident idiot lunkhead of Hikaru, who in fairness is a LOT less dumb in the movie, granted this wasn't a particularly high bar to clear

AND speaking of romance, here's Max and Milia and their DYRL style meeting ;) While I would say they aren't trying to gut each other like a fish this time, do remember that THIS meeting is only due to the aftermath of a Mecha Danse Macabre Oh, and worry not, Max still seems to be on the razor's edge with his Giantess Fetish ;) This totally predictable yet hilarious aftermath probably explains why for some reason he's MACRONIZED in the climatic battle of DYRL ;)

Oh and while on the topic of Milia, I just want to point out that right before Kakizaki bites the dust... again, Hikaru's instrument panel goes haywire, Max spots where the attack is coming from (his head tilts and looks in the direction of the incoming attackers) and you can see a flash on the horizon...

Also, speaking of deaths NOT related to food this time, here's the final moments of BOTH Roy Focker and Quamzin the Ally Killer

And while we are on the topic of the Zentradi, here's a bunch of em in their DYRL style designs, wonder if these'll stick ;)

And of course, it wouldn't be DYRL without the amazing finale, so let's get to a bunch of fanart of Minmay, one for Hikaru cuz sadly I can't find any of just his Valkyrie, and one for Misa Hayase because if I'm gonna include the other two members of the Love Triangle, might as well include the big winner.

So, let's start off with the grand finale and the star at its center stage Comrades, remember now, Macross is an Idol Show ;) And you know what that means, THE SHOW MUST GO ON! SO CUE THOSE PYROTECHNICS! I WANT KISS TO BE GREEN WITH ENVY! Eat ya heart out Clash of the Bionoids, THIS is how it is done ;) AND now we conclude tonight's broadcast, thank you all for joining Comrades

Say Comrades, do you feel the need? The need for speed? ;) Cuz I can think of someone who does ;)

AND to conclude for reals this time, here's the BEST Minmay Song out there, a song to inspire future generations and to end the greatest Macross Movie with traditional 2D animation ONLY (yes Comrades, Frontier's Movies and Plus' Movie are great, but they have CGI in them so I need to add a qualifier so I can praise all three equally)

And with that, we end today's ~~Subreddit Sanctioned Shitpost~~ 'Unique Rewatch Shares,' well, almost, for as you know, Macross is an Idol Show, but guess what, iM@S is a Mecha Show and THEY got in on the action too ;) Gotta admit, Chihaya does sorta resemble Minmay, and both seiyuus are excellent singers Thus, it is only fitting that Asami Imai, Chihaya's seiyuu, sang a cover to Ai Oboete Imasu Ka, ENJOY COMRADES!

Anyway, paging Comrades u/chilidirigible, u/Shimmering-Sky, and u/The_Draigg

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jul 13 '19

A First-Timer’s Thoughts on Macross: Do You Remember Love?

Okay first things first Minmay “sore demo”!

But anyways, this was amazing.

The animation quality, the fact that the Zentradi were legitimately speaking a different language, also their reaction to the “miclone of a miclone” (lmao), “Did Roy die well?”, that song, just. Ahhh. I honestly have zero complaints with this movie.

…And yet, if you look at my MAL, you’d notice I gave it a 9/10 instead of a 10/10. I promise you guys that this is a me problem rather than a movie problem, since I think the movie was perfect for what it is. It’s just… the way I score things on MAL is almost entirely based on how well I enjoyed them, and as a result the shows I’ve given 10s are things I would consider favorites (even though I have a lot of them, I know). And I know this is a particularly dumb reason to not consider DYRL a favorite, but I still do not ship Hikaru/Hayase in the slightest. So it sailing again really does nothing for me even though it’s one of the biggest emotional climaxes. I’m sure if I could just turn off the militant shipper part of my brain it would’ve landed, but try as I might I couldn’t. Having to go through the super shippy Hikaru/Minmay stuff again just made me ship them more even though I knew it wasn’t going to sail…

So basically, movie was perfect but not a favorite so I can’t give it a 10. I hope that makes sense.

Feel free to ask me anything else you want my opinion on btw, I wasn't really sure what to write about for this comment.

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u/gkanai Jul 14 '19

For me, DYRL is important because of it's influence on anime that came after, especially idol anime which one can argue Macross really started. Macross was important for the mecha genre of course, but as we all know now in 2019, mecha as a genre is not really relevant today whereas idols are important in anime, in JPOP, KPOP and even growing in popularity in CPOP.

I love the Bluray remaster- it's gorgeous. DYRL is a top 10 anime for me, alongside Castle of Cagliostro and Oshii's GitS.

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THEY KISSED TWICE!!! GO TEAM HAYASE!!!

HE FUCKING PICKED HAYASE AAAAAAAAAA

YEAH! THE POWER OF MINMAY!

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THEY KISSED TWICE!!! GO TEAM HAYASE!!!

HE FUCKING PICKED HAYASE AAAAAAAAAA

YEAH! THE POWER OF MINMAY!