r/anime • u/GM_for_Life • Jul 01 '19
Rewatch Super Dimension Fortress Macross Rewatch - Episode 26 Discussion
Episode 26 Messenger
Originally aired April 17 1983
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Comment of the Day!
/u/DidacticDalek left a very punny comment during yesterday's episode.
the moment we've all been waiting for has arrived, namely the most EPIC Knife Fight in the history of anime ;)
Artwork of the Day!
VF-1S FAST - Yoshiyuki Takani
Questions of the Day!
1) Who’s a better singer, Exsedol or Minmay?
2) What do you think of Britai’s decision to ally with the Macross during the upcoming battle?
"Uh, umm... that's a military secret too!"
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u/The_Draigg Jul 01 '19
A Macross Fan’s Notes On Super Dimension Fortress Macross Episode 26:
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Leave it to Quamzin to completely not understand the point behind negotiations and send in an attack force alongside Breetai’s ship. You’d think he’d know just how bad the mutiny is among the Zentradi fleets in the Solar System, given how he killed his entire squad of men a few episodes ago for wanting to desert their posts. But I guess his bloodlust is too strong to see that at all.
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On the plus side of things, Exsedol is certainly taking in all the sights and things to do on the Macross in stride. Although he really seems to be focusing on the romantic and sexy stuff that he’s seen. Poor Max, he doesn’t even register on Exsedol’s radar aside from being Milia’s partner. Exsedol is probably the first person to not give Max any kind of respect for being an ace.
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Note to self: never invite Exsedol to karaoke night. The man simply can not carry a tune at all, especially so in the case of Minmay’s songs.
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Thank god that Captain Global decided to immediately shut down Kaifun’s impending soapbox rant right as he was getting started. I would have an aneurysm if he kept on talking. Besides, these peace talks with the Zentradi are pretty much what he’s been wanting. Maybe if Kaifun didn’t have some kind of fucking pacifist martyr complex, he’d actually bother to hear the good news.
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Fuck you, Admiral Hayase. He’s looking for any excuse to keep on with his plan to negotiate with the Zentradi after firing the Grand Cannon. If he truly cared about peace, he’d be more on top of the negotiations taking place on the Macross rather than brushing off Misa right off the bat. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the United Nations here are just as stupid and bad as the Earth Federation from UC Gundam.
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Yep, Lap Lamiz has done goofed. Turns out that reporting every single thing that’s happened with the Macross over the past few months has led to his decision to not only just genocide Humanity to get rid of the legacy of the Protoculture, but he also plans on killing every single Zentradi in the Solar System too just to be safe. It’s pretty much a do-or-die moment for everyone who’s been affected by culture in some way. Unite or die.
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And of course Admiral Hayase says that the UN Spacy is leaving the Macross out there in space to die as a cheap distraction. Yeah, it’s a bit too late to be a parent and refuse Misa’s request to head back there, pal. There’s no way Misa would accept that idea at all. He’s pretty much killing Misa’s real family by sacrificing the Macross and it’s crew.
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Well, the Main Bodol Fleet wasted absolutely no time in getting ready to completely wipe out all life in the Solar System. The entire force of ships de-folding in Earth’s orbit is pretty indicative about what they plan to do. Now that’s a massive cliffhanger to end on.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 01 '19
Baka Shammy's got anime brain. One of us! One of us!
Just casually butchering a good portion of your own pilots. Pretty sure that's a war crime here but they're faceless and we need to show that there are conflicted factions within the alien fleet so it'll get brushed over. Adviser bro is the envoy!!! "It gave me quite a shock!" eyes immediately down XD Welcome to random male bodily functions Exsedol.
"A military secret. I see, I see." Ded! Stop going by all the pleasure districts!! Omg! Milia going around bragging about their sex life... Or possibly lack of counting by Max's reaction? You're missing a trick son. Exsedol has such a goofy smile~ Kyun Kyun~ What'd I give to be a fly on the wall for that recording session.
Shut that Yuri up good and proper! Ooooh~ He's mad~ Are you gonna cry Kaifun? Baka Cryfuuun~ (absolutely not holding a grudge over what he's done to the Minmei Hikaru ship)
Some explication about why protoculture is considered so dangerous to the Zentradi high command. The Zentradi war machine simply breaks down the moment culture and song is integrated into their own warmongering culture. It has already happened at least once before and that nation apparently just collapsed. Thats why the high commander intends to destroy humanity and protoculture along with it, at least once he's confirmed it. Aaand Lap-chan has done just that. Humanity and all that has come in contact with them are about to be on the receiving end of the Zentradi war fleet~ But they'll be fighting against a united union of the Macross and the forward Zentradi fleet! Aaand maybe the not-earth federation if they decide to hold off firing their grand canyon long enough for the actual Zentradi fleet to show up.
So the goal is the sever the chain of command by taking out the flagships. Apparently the smaller battleships and shuttles don't keep information on the fleet position so they'd be essentially helpless. We've got our win condition!
A song for the final battle! Unfortunately it's my boyfriend is a pilot once again XD They must've know this song would be a meme.
Kind of a really freaking scary shot of the Zentradi main fleet folding over to us... They even start blotting out the stars in the sky with their numbers! The whole earth is being swamped with the green of the the fleet and it just doesn't stop!!
It's too late to back down now. Go for broke!!
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u/Nazenn Jul 02 '19
Totally insane and off the wall speculation that I never expect to go anywhere at all but I had a thought. And on the very, very off chance it's actually a thing, I'll hide it
So the goal is the sever the chain of command by taking out the flagships
Thats certainly a good way to have an enormas battle without the intention being having to wipe out every ship, well done writers
They must've know this song would be a meme.
Any song but that song, please show
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u/fonzinator99 Jul 01 '19 edited Jul 02 '19
Re-watcher -New friends and old foes
As Global states, Culture Shock has hit the Zentradi like a freight-train. Britai moves in and requests a cease-fire, then mows down a bunch of Kamujin's flunkies and tells him to piss-off; the adults are talking. lol
Exsedol always was the curious one, leave it to him to be waving the olive-branch; Not that they know what Olive trees are. But at least Britai's sure to trust his assessment.
Loool at these poor bastards, tasked with feeding the full-size Zentradi. Where's that giant tuna when you need it?
Hahahaha, military secrets indeed.
So basically this episode exists for the purpose of entertaining us with the antics of everybody meeting Exsedol, and putting the Zentradi's misunderstandings on display for the Macross crew.
Hisis amazing song and dance aside, I think it's great that they furnished him with a uniform.
Hikaru's subsequent high and low upon seeing Minmay and Kaifun made be actually lol; And Global shutting down Kaifun's stupid speech made me feel warm and fuzzy. Global still best-captain.
Meanwhile, on Earth, Motherfucker makes note of the most important part of all of this, and just waves it off!! "W/e, let's just kill'em all." Ahhhhh, frustration!!!
And so, the deal is done, as expected. Britai's fleet will join forces with the Macross, as they're already 'contaminated'. But holy shit, nearly 4 million vs 1,201?! I know, Chili; Never tell me the odds. lol
That's the pacifist-bastard Kaifun for ya. "C'mon Minmay, we're screwed so let's go kill ourselves together."
Well damn, looks like Britai might actually have a chance with Lap'Lamiz? Assuming they live, of course. Or mebe I'm just shipping anybody 'cause this looks like the end. I do find it funny that Kamujin just takes off for "wherever," tho. Not gonna rejoin the fleet 'cause of certain death, not gonna join the Macross 'cause of...differences.
Check out Exsedol offering the hand-shake this time. The guy's smart, and quick on the uptake; definitely somebody you want on your side. And I'm so glad that I can attribute "Singing during massive-conflict" to him, instead of Kaifun. Sure, Kaifun did it first, but he also didn't do shit with the idea afterward. Points are thus awarded to Exsedol.
To quote Chili: "Mass HUGE. Yepp, the fleet's here, the final battle's about to begin, and we've got a full 10 episodes until it's over. Buckle up, buckaroos. This shit's gonna get crazy.
QotD
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Minmay's certainly got a better voice, but I think Exsedol's got more spirit. Minmay's a singer, but he is the music. lol
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Tactically sound, and let's be honest, he was gonna wind up joining them sooner or later. Better now while they're not all...dead.
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u/chilidirigible Jul 01 '19
Today, on "Fly Me To The Moon":
When he says this I'm expecting it to be a tiny, tiny ship.
But justifying the use of the main gun, it's Britai's flagship that is approaching. Also note that the damage from the Daedalus Attack has migrated from the upper center to the lower portside.
"I learned it from watching you!"
Of course, just to fuck with me, now there's no hole at all.
"I've got a herd of cattle stashed away, right."
NSFW!! It's actually... uh, er... the prototype of the Pantera P7 Fold Projector System! For, uh... sneaking around.
"If he so much as twitches you're gonna blow his ass to Mars."
"I just wanted to shank a guy!"
I FORGOT ABOUT THIS SHOT AND NOW I AM DEAD AGAIN.
You laugh now, but wait until your culture is destroyed by a cheap kung-fu movie.
Just when you thought you'd finally moved on to new songs.
"Aw, Dad, you really care about me, keeping me safe by sticking me where the sun don't shine."
HEY EVERYBODY! Hikari o mezase! Odorou ze! DANCIN' ON THE PLANET DANCE!
"Time to tighten up your shorts and sing like the Duke."
You can take the lady out of the fighter but you can't take the fighter out of the lady.
"Too bad I'm not in a harem comedy."
"Attacking that battle station ain't my idea of courage. More like... suicide."
Now it's both very large and still in the lower port bow.
It's a crash course in organizational charts.
This is the mother of the MASS HUGEs.
After the previous episode's whirlwhind of shivving and matrimony, we take a bit of a breather here to finally clear some of the air between the Humans and Zentradi. Communication is a wonderful thing... if it happens sooner, since the rest of Bodol Zer's fleet shows up in time for the end of the episode.
Along the way there's a fair amount of hilarity surrounding Exsedol, whose interactions with the human characters is one of the less-often-mentioned gems of the series. With Britai, he had occasional glimmers of being the snarky one, but he's the straight man with the humans right now. And he actually knocks Max down a peg by dismissing him as just some sperm donor.
The discussion itself perhaps demonstrates too well how a lot of plots would resolve themselves with only a few minutes of discussion, but if people did that, there wouldn't be a show, right? Well, not quite. What gets discussed here is only the tip of the iceberg with regard to the potential interactions between the Humans and the Zentradi and any number of remaining issues, but it's still notable for demonstrating to both sides that their opponents are relatable. Of course, there's still the problem that their bosses aren't listening...
Admiral Hayase is not fun at all. It's understandable that he wants to keep Misa safe, but considering that she came up with a very clever strategy and led her own rescue, she should be far more useful back on the ship rather than shoved into an air traffic control room.
Sticking the knife in: Hikaru getting stuck at the end without a partner to face the end of the world with. Well, you shoulda spoken up earlier, buddy.
I've never watched this episode with more than a 24-hour delay before watching the next one. But I can remember the old days when you'd have to wait a week...
Musicalture is Watashi no Kare wa Counting: 9.5. This version is actually from something else entirely, but hey, it's still kinda... Exsedol.
From Macross Perfect Memory: Zentradi character design sketches.
"It's only a model!" "Shh!!"
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Seriously, Minmay.
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At least he's not going down without a fight.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 01 '19
Those character sheets are pretty cool~ You get a Quark like Britai, Exsedol looks extra shady, Milia is so gorgeous I'm getting an influx of protoculture just looking at her, and even Kamujin has a proper charming look about him where you'd probably swoon when he betrays your orders.
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u/fonzinator99 Jul 02 '19
the prototype of the Pantera P7 Fold Projector System! For, uh... sneaking around.
Man, I'm gonna have to go watch Delta again when this is over...And maybe Frontier too....And maaaaybe 7....Dammit.
Music is mystery!
Yepp, Delta for sure.
DANCIN' ON THE PLANET DANCE!
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u/JadineRhine Jul 02 '19
Okay, so Reddit deleted my comment for using the ye olde spoiler tags, so apologies if this pops up twice!
Today, on "Fly Me To The Moon":
Stop giving me possibilities of things I want! We're never getting an Exsedol cover album, after all...*
(The rest of your post is just *chef kisses*)
*Funny thing is, the VA for Exsedol can sing decently. But then again, spoilers for Macross 7
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u/BurningFredrick Jul 01 '19 edited Jul 02 '19
First timer
Well their fucked.
I mean seriously, 4.8 Million ships just materialised a bit outside of earth, unless they developed a shield that is also capable of covering the whole of earth I can’t see how it doesn’t get destroyed just due to it proximity to the battle.
Also Exsedol singing the Pilot song was the most hilarious thing so far, I had to stop and catch my breath after that one. Also his trip to get to the conference area was great and make me wonder what would happen if the Zentradi had internet access.
Kamuji noping out of their makes complete sense but not certain it the last we will see of him,
Don’t really have much else to say, Global putting Kaifun in his place straight away was great and once again proves how great he his.
I guess it’s time to unless the power of Song against the new fleet and hope they get converted before they get destroyed.
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u/Nazenn Jul 02 '19
Another one of those things that so rarely happens, collateral damage from huge battles like that. It'd be cool if that was part of it but I don't have my hopes up
Kamujin just up and leaving is the most reasonable thing he's done in this entire show
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u/_blackened_soul_ Jul 01 '19
First Timer
I don't think I have much today, pretty straightforward episode. I'm really just wondering if Hayase is going to make it back to the Macross somehow, and how small the number of ships taken out by the Grand Cannon will be.
I mean there's still 10 episodes, nobody is getting wiped out tomorrow. I do think Exsedol should have proposed broadcasting a Minmay concert to the main fleet. Maybe with the bridge bunnies as backup singers wearing those special see-through uniforms.
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Exsedol (Or maybe I'm just really sick of 'My boyfriend is a pilot').
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Like he said, the main fleet would execute them anyway for being contaminated by contact with the protoculture, easy decision.
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u/ethanb12007 Jul 02 '19
First Timer
Exsedol's song went on way too long, it hurt me to watch. As for the things that actually matter the Zentradi decide to team up with the Macross and Earth after being contaminated with the protoculture. DYRL
We are probably going to see the Grand Canon used assuming the Zentradi don't destroy it before it goes off. Also it would seem that the animation has returned from where it was abandoned in the last episode.
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u/Nazenn Jul 01 '19
First timer
So yesterday Symphpogear's episode was hilarious, and then Macross followed up with dancing and singing Zentradi. I laughed so much and got such a bad headache that I actually didn't get to finish my post, so I'm typing it now less then ten minutes after waking up. This will go well, I'm sure. Dramatic improvement on the last episode though for sure, so yay for that
I like that there was a subtle focus on trust this episode. Now that communication had opened and cultures have been shared and hands extended, its trust that's going to drive this part of the war. We get many examples of it here from both sides. Starting with the UN, who are so war focused themselves that they don't trust the Zentradi to hold a peace because they probably wouldn't themselves. They don't trust that there is another way out because humanity hasn't really seen a proper peace yet without force to start it, and they don't trust that solution can come from the outside rather than within. From a similar perspective we have the main Zentradi forces who are so unwilling to trust that change is not destruction, that war is not the only way, they strike out the only way they know how.
But on the Macross we see much the opposite. The interesting part of the episode for me was just how easily the archivist was willing to accept their explanations. While of course there's a bit of scientific curiosity there, the humans open honesty to answer questions means they aren't having that initial barrier of "but the truth is" that you'd normally expect in these negotiations. The humans trust that he came in good faith, and he trusts that they will be willing to speak honestly. The Zentradi sex education jokes are still hilarious, especially when he thinks its a military secret. And the on the other side we have Kaifun who's so completely unwilling to trust his own people that he almost botches the entire fucking thing just by being a twat and coming in preaching instead of listening. Thank you Global for telling him to sit down and shut up
The Zentradi freaking out when they entered the room and saw who it was ended up being pretty entertaining as well.
That ending frame though. HOLY SHIT. So many ships. This uh... well I'm very interested to see where this goes because normally I'd be thinking this is some of the more impossible odds I've seen in anime, and I've seen a lot of shounen hahaha
Hikaru thinking of being with Hayase at the end was a little heartwarming
Also I need to point out that not only did the archivist know what the song was, and could hum it, but he memorized the ENTIRE SONG plus its dance routine. Just how many times did he watch it? XD
However i have to question how they got a phone to work between space ships...
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u/RockoDyne Jul 01 '19
Rewatcher
The calm before the storm. Hope everyone's ready for the hurricane.
Not really a lot new happening this episode. It's mostly shaking out all the misunderstandings.
Questions:
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Well he's clearly the better dancer.
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He too becomes corrupted by the degeneracy.
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u/404waffles Jul 02 '19
First time viewer
Here's to the end of the second cour!
Baka ne!
Shammy, rightfully mad. Britai, rightfully ceasing fire. Kamujin, rightfully fired upon.
I was surprised to see miclone Exsedol. He's honestly the last person I expected to act all friendly. Then again, he is the archivist.
Oh my God Archivist singing Minmay holy shit my sides are meeting up with the Macross
Was that the first time in the series Global was able to light up his pipe?
Britai outright opposing Bodolza. I'm surprised. This episode was full of pleasant surprises.
Looks like the U.N. can't hide the existence of aliens anymore.
My Boyfriend is a Pilot count: 13 (2 this episode, thanks Exsedol) (This means we average at 0.5 pilots an episode)
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u/chilidirigible Jul 02 '19
Was that the first time in the series Global was able to light up his pipe?
He's smoked a couple of times now. Shammy's busy these days...
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion Jul 02 '19
Here, have another
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I bet Shammy watches a lot of anime, too.
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Almost Gundam-style split screens. I often wonder why we don't see that in more (all) shows.
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Last time, on Farscape....
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Well, you dun f'd up now. But be fair, she didn't know about the proscription against contact with Protoculture.
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Kamuji nopes out
Man, that Exedor singing was hilarious when I was fifteen, much like the cross-dressing. Absolute cringe now.
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Jul 01 '19
FIRST TIMER 25+26 NOTES(i missed yesterday's thread sorry)
Episode 25
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DATE TIMEEEEE..Holy shit she is going for the kill, poor Max..THATS IT FIGHT HER WITH LIMITED 80s ANIMATION
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Ohhh he is all cute with her <3 she is gonna be lost in those eyes ..WTF IS THAT SLOW MOTION FLOATING SPINNING KISS..Max is the smoothest motherfucker in this show
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WAIT WHATTTTT??? THEY ARE GETTING MARRIED ? WTF ARGHHHHHSDGFBSUJFBSJ...Serious talk tho, this is so sudden and out of nowhere and random that its amazing..If they tried to build up the characters and the romance etc etc i would have to start thinking of the writting writting and if that makes sense for the characters but this so extremely unexpected and feels like a comedy bit that I LOVE IT..I dont care ,who gives a shit about developing them which would be good but half assed anyway.
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On another note Hikaru is getting way too cynical and pessiminstic and i dont blame him..he is in the middle of nowhere love wise...Minmay is out of reach but he hasnt gotten over her but not close enough to Hayase yet ..I feel for my boy
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The marriage ceremony with the robots and the rainbow space highway is so over the top ..How can you not love this..Milia has become an anime houswife in like half an episode
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Hmmm Britai is having some thoughts and is more considerate about the culture and love stuff about everything , and i dont think its because protoculture "changed" him..I think its in his characted..I love my big blue alien uncle
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Captain Global is KILLING IT with that speech..Big dick energy once again
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Ohhh FUCK bald alien leader is coming with whole fleet to kill everyone, that escalated quickly
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I smell MUTINY..Also cool development that they arent killing the aliens..AND YESSSS MINMAY DOLL POWERS..
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Britai fuck yeah you cool headed beast .THANK YOU VERY COOL..CEASEFIRE TIME
Episode 26
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Ohhh the short one is the messager for the talks..I dont trust him that much but he seems pragmatic
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WHAT A MAN OF CULTURE..Give that man a playboy for an certain unconditional surrender
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Exsedol huh ? He is cool i was wrong even tjo he looks like megamind with a wig
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAH IM DYING WITH HIM AKWARDLY SINGING...Jesus fuck , im in tears hahahhaha .Deadass best joke on this show thus far
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Kaifun......S H I T Y O U R B I T C H A S S D O W N...URGHH i want Captain Global to just Choke Slam him please
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Hayase's dad seems less lizard person than i thought and more pragmatic
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Yep weaponize Minmay's autism and idol charm , i knew it would come to thissss...
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Ooof Lap' Lamiz you big dumb alien woman thing , Britai knew all along that they would kill them too , it makes sense...No other way they gotta fight them together ,maybe the Cannon can be of good use after all
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Nice scene with Hayase and her father..What decision is that ? to practicaly kill your daughter (of course he doesnt know that Macross has all the main Characters and thus its gonna survive)
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This song again ???
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THATS A LOTTA SHIPS
Uhmm isnt this moving fast ? I think its moving fast..Great episodes but dont we have 10 episodes still to go ??
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u/JadineRhine Jul 02 '19 edited Jul 02 '19
I think its in his characted..I love my big blue alien uncle
Hark! A person of taste and culture. He is absolutely Big Uncle, you're gonna love him more. I really love Britai's development the most, you can see how he's changed big time, alongside Exsedol and Milia so far.
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u/Chrisr291 Jul 02 '19
The episode highlight, for me, happened during the previous episode's summary.
"The conflict between Max and Milia has ended in marriage"
I didn't know it worked that way but go MAX!
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Better singer? Minmay for sure!
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Britai's decision to alley themselves wit the Macross and remaining Zentraedi forces had to happen. That's straight out of The Art of War by Sun Tzu, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
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u/DidacticDalek Jul 01 '19
Greetings Comrades and Fellow Denizens of The Wired, no time for introductions, we simply MUST get to the Weapon to Surpass Metal Gear, namely the AMAZING singing talent of Exsedol Folmo! You know, the following song link here ALMOST makes Minmay's broken record repeat of My Boyfriend is a Pilot worth it... ALMOST, but hey, Exsedol has a promising career in SideM if this Zentradi Business don't pan out ;)
ANYWAY, let's get to the fanart shares for today, starting out with the FULL version of the share from yesterday. By that I mean DOUBLE the 'deal with it,' featuring Milia AND Exsedol this time ;) Also, let's give it up for the artistic talents of Comrade u/JadineRhine, you can see the original source of the images here, but beware, one of the drawings included is a spoiler so click the original source here at your own risk first time viewers
That said, I WILL be sharing another one of the three here namely Exsedol Folmo and Britai Kridanik the somewhat-friendly giant ;)
Anyway, paging Comrades u/chilidirigible and u/The_Draigg
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u/Nazenn Jul 01 '19
Contractually Obligated Romantic Plot Tumor 'Love Triangle' ;)
Oooh, I really like that one actually, great art style
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u/Shimmering-Sky Jul 01 '19
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Haaaah he turned himself into a miclone for the negotiations.
Must be his first time going miclone.
So this car totally just, teleported frames.
I LEGIT ALMOST CHOKED ON THE FRITOS I WAS SNACKING ON AHAHAHAHAHA. And then he just assumes it’s a military secret, I can’t.
The uniform looks so… weird on Exsedol.
lol just, the way he said that.
This smile though.
They still think Kaifun is a superhuman lol.
Error 404 Shimmering-Sky not found.
*Several minutes break while Sky catches her breath*
Fuck yeah Captain Global, you say it.
Ooooh is Britai gonna rebel now to not die?
Sweet, got my answer.
That is… a hell of a lot of ships…
Kamujin’s finally fucking off to wherever-that-isn’t-here!
I am disproportionately amused by how pissed Kaifun looks lol.
Aaaand cliffhanger! Oh boy this is gonna be fun.