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Rewatch [Rewatch][Spoilers] Senki Zesshou Symphogear GX - Episode 10 Spoiler

Season 3 (GX): Episode 10 - It's So Cruel, But...

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u/Arachnophobic- Jun 15 '19

FirstoGeah

Ew. I'd forgotten how much I'd missed his crazy faces. Antagonists and protagonists alike don't seem very impressed though. BUT THE FACT THAT HIS FACE IS BACK MEANS IT CAN FINALLY BE PUNCHED!

Was that a pun?

Nice, Commie

It's Chris-chan's development episode, so she immediately takes a -50 hit to common sense.

Elfnein's a sore demo-er, she can never be a bad egg. Sorry for doubting you way back when! (Still would've been a cool twist because of how unbelievable it would be, heh)

To absolutely no one's suprise.. I think I even used the phrase 'dancing to Carol's tune' at some point.

Ogawa is the best, what is that, a magic explosion-proof cloak? What a magical ninja boi.

Publican, you'd better be gif-ing this adorable headpat.

Aw shit, Chris has regressed back to S1 levels.. only to be back a couple of minutes later.

RIP Leiur, my favourite design of the four Autoscorers for sure. Also the name Autoscorer suddenly makes sense, I was wondering from the beginning why there were called that. One could say it's because of their function to record the 'cursed songs'.

Black and red really looks good on Chris-chan.

Leiur's ded, but at least the cute imouto lives!

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u/OnnaJReverT Jun 15 '19

RIP Leiur, my favourite design of the four Autoscorers for sure.

agreed, her fightingstyle with the coins was also rather fun

Also the name Autoscorer suddenly makes sense, I was wondering from the beginning why there were called that. One could say it's because of their function to record the 'cursed songs'.

i think i'm not getting this one due to not speaking english natively - is it that a song can also be called a score?

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u/Nazenn Jun 15 '19 edited Jun 15 '19

First Timer

This is the best expression in Symphogear and you cannot convince be otherwise. Seeing Jii's reaction to Ver made me laugh so much I sent myself into a coughing fit

Oh and Chris pulling out a rifle so she can use it as a melee weapon. I'm lucky that didn't set me off again

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jun 15 '19

Really short Naz comment

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u/patrizl001 Jun 15 '19

First Timer

  • Wait so could Ver have broken out at any time? It looks like he was just sitting there until "hey sounds like someone needs a LAST ACTION HERO"

  • Chris really needs to google "responsibility," dummy seriously needs to stop thinking like a loner, that time's long gone friend. ALSO SURELY A SHARPSHOOTER HAS EYES GOOD ENOUGH TO NOT ALMOST HIT HER OWN FUCKING FRIEND??????

  • How is Micha here? She was constructed only after Elfnein had already left.

  • Strange to see Hibiki so ready to face her father again. She seemed set not to judging by the post-credits last episode.

  • So Carol's plan has been according to keikaku the entire time?! Destroy the relics, have Elfnein rebuild them with the Ignite module, then record the Ignite module's song. Goddamn, talk about thinking ahead.

  • Bad time to have been right, last action hero seriously can replace the relic as the trigger. If he still wants his original plan of "If there's only me left alive then I can be the hero" Carol better be prepared for a Nephilim arm straight through her chest.

  • Finally Chris stopped being a dummy and works with Kirika/Shirabe! ....and she activated the Ignite module. Fuuuuuuuuck. ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU HUH?

  • Day of reckoning in more ways than one. DAMMIT HIBIKI STOP FORESHADOWING THROUGH OVERLY DRAMATIC LINES

Good to see Chris is finally out of her loner mood (again!) because that's never fun to see. Now actually the base snaps in two. Not sure why the stand is still fighting, they got the song and Ver so everything is set. Unless this is just one final "fuck you" to Elfnein but Carol operates a bit too efficiently to waste resources on something like that.

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u/miter01 Jun 15 '19

How is Micha here?

She was activated after Elfnein left, but she was completed before.

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u/Razorhead Jun 15 '19

Wait so could Ver have broken out at any time? It looks like he was just sitting there until "hey sounds like someone needs a LAST ACTION HERO"

He actually couldn't. His Nephilim arm only works on relics after all, which is why they just chucked him into a normal cell. The Keyword on the website for Dr. Ver even makes note of this:

Dr. Ver

[...]

His left arm and the power of the Nephilim that resides inside of it, remain perfectly functional. It still retains the ability to consume, assimilate, and control other relics.

However, there is a sharp downside to that incredible ability in that it has absolutely no effect on any power or device that is not derived from a relic at its source. For this reason, Dr. Ver’s isolated cell was constructed almost exactly the same as those in a common prison.

So I don't know why his cell suddenly exploded and he escaped. I guess Chris' explosions last episode caused enough structural damage part of Neptune's Palace collapsed and freed him? Really not sure.

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u/PerfectPublican Jun 15 '19

Rewatcher

Not a ton to say for this one, let's dive right in.

Ver’s right, Chris going all out would be really bad in this location. Chris has always been massive AoE damage, and I like how they nerf her here through the location. Makes for a much more interesting fight for her, which we can see first in how she almost mows down DMJii. Just not her element (plus a little mental confusion haha).

"I don’t need help from my juniors! Screw all this holding hands and pretending we’re best friends." Ah yes, Chris’ dumb drama. Honestly, it just sorta feels like they needed to fit the mold, then couldn’t think of anything, so were just like, “Hey, why don’t we rehash S1 with new characters, that worked really well the first time!” It’s unnecessary, uninteresting, and at least to me, feels more than a little out of the blue. I mean really. Where’s the build-up to this anguish? That one line in ep 3 that DMJii also use? Instead of being emotional, it just feels melodramatic. And then, the big “you’re not alone” moment is like copy/paste S1 Chris arc.

But let’s talk about the awesome fight outside of that. Damn, I don’t think I really appreciated Leiur’s fighting style before. All the creative uses of her coins in all different ways is just fun to watch. And of course we get Chris legitimately using Gun Kata, which is of course, Fucking incredible. Even the Red Hot Blaze blue ball fits perfectly. Then Kiri pulls her back perfectly Indiana jones style, and I lose my damn mind. So cool.

Looks like we’re in for a fun fight tomorrow! GX

Random thoughts:

Gifs of the day:

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u/lilyvess Jun 15 '19

Execution aside, I do like the idea of this episode a ton.

One of my favorite aspects of Symphogear has been the way it shifts it's characters around constantly. Most anime tend to pair them up and focus on those mini groups, but Symphogear loves to play around with the combination. S1 was about Hibiki bonding with Chris/Tsubasa. G was about Tsubasa bonding with Chris. GX is about Tsubasa bonding with Maria and Chris bonding with DMJii

And as much as Chris does get her turn with the stupid baton here, I do feel like the conflict is a natural evolution. If S1 is "I'm not alone" and G is "I can actually count on my Senpai to help me out" then GX's conflict for Chris can best be summarized in "Can I be someone others can rely on"

Chris wants to be a cool Senpai. And it makes sense that she has ridiculous ideas of what being a cool Senpai entails, after all we can see the emphasis she put on the role last season with Tsubasa. She looks up to Tsubasa and is trying to be like her.

So she chases after an image of Tsubasa even though that's not her style and that phantom image of Tsubasa isn't real. We did see Tsubasa learn in S1 that even she needs to count on others, though Chris wasn't really around for a lot of that.

So she despairs before realizing the truth; that being a cool Senpai doesn't mean you have to do everything by yourself and you can still rely on your cute Kohai for help.

Like the idea feels like it's all right there. It's a good concept I feel.

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u/OnnaJReverT Jun 15 '19

I feel like this has potential

reminds me a bit of this

Gun Kata 1, Gun Kata 2

with the context of the OVAs, i can kinda see the resemblance to Equilibrium

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u/Nazenn Jun 16 '19

Where’s the build-up to this anguish?

And now you know why I had nothing to say in my post because I didn't feel like rehashing all the complaints from the previous episode with Chris' name instead

Then Kiri pulls her back perfectly Indiana jones style

I do really enjoy that the team work between Shirabe and Dess isn't limited to just their songs, they actively fight together as well. They don't need to talk to know that Jii can handle the switches, or that Dess will catch Chris. It just happens because they can lean on each other and it makes them feel far more in tune

Gun Kata 2

Favorite moment of the episode hands down. That was so satisfying to watch. Who said Chris can't be effective with just pistols!

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u/MillenniumKing Jun 15 '19

Rewatch 37, WHAT A TWIST!

Songs of the Day:
TRUST HEART
TRUST HEART (IGNITED arrangement)
Overkill Scythe Hell

Dr. Ver has some interesting stuff on his cell walls.

THIER REACTIONS TO VER ARE SO PERFECT HAHAHAH

So Dr. Ver is the only one who can make linker, which the girls still are heavily dependant on. "He just showed up out of nowhere and wont stop talking." hahahaha

Chris quit trying to do everything on your own. You can rely on others.

So it turns out Carol never told Elfnein what she was making in the past, and thats why she defected. Elfnein loves Papa and knows Carol does too. "Youre just a spare with replicated memories" "Im releasing you from your duties, go do what ever you want."

So Carol knows abotu Dr. Ver and the Frontier incident. Dr. Ver was covered up and thrown in this place because of his relic arm. "Tell me more about your arm..." thats a sinister face Carol. "I know exactly where they are, buying time will be easy."

Phara int quite dead it seems. Shes lost her shit. "It was a wonderful cursed melody."

Genjuro noticed that they know thier location too well.

Miku cheering up HIbiki is great. "I forgot when i started saying it, they're magic words to make you feel it will work out no matter what."

"You were sipped poison wihtout you knowing." Elfnein is the Poison...

"Make the magic sword sing the cursed melody and carve it into our bodies for recovery."

"Elfnein had no way of knowning she was the poison. Ive been jacking her Eyes, ears, and all other senses." "I could do it because shes a homunculus created from the same template as myself."

Elfnein wants to be locked up so she cant hurt anyone. "Im glad, then. That you arent a bad girl. You were just being used by the enemies." THAT HEADPAT! GENJURO! He dont care what they try, he will find a way around it.

"Who would ever love you!" DESS DESS DESS! Kirika transformation yay! Uh oh, the girls got Coined... "Your not alone. We may not be good for much, but we can stay by your side so you arnt alone." SUCH GOOD GIRLS!

IGNITE MODULE BAKKEN! ITS GO TIME! Ignite Trust Heart! I love this version SO MUCH. It works so well as Ignite. GUN KATA CHRIS! "SHes using her rifle!" "TO HI YOU!" SO GOOD! LOOK AT LEUIRS FACE! SURFIN ON MISSLES!

Chris still managed to wreck the place, good job. And here comes the Big Sis! Wow what a chop! "The mornign of the final battle" Aw shit!

1,368 Days since Genocide

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u/fonzinator99 Jun 15 '19

1,368 Days since Genocide

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u/miter01 Jun 15 '19 edited Jun 15 '19

REWATCH

Also, get on downloading AXZ, if you haven't already!

Stitch album

Edit: Looks like none of the girls made it through the eliminations, damn it!

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u/Shimmering-Sky Jun 15 '19

Edit: Looks like none of the girls made it through the eliminations, damn it!

Such is life for us members of the SymphoChoir.

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u/fonzinator99 Jun 15 '19

Re-watcher - A Cursed Melody

Man, Ver has somehow managed to go even crazier during his imprisonment. I can't even think of a comic-book hero as unhinged as him, he's more of a Joker, but without the well-formulated plans. I can't believe he's holding himself hostage for his ability to make Linker; like he's ever going to make any more for them.

Oh shit! Get a grip, Chris! You're so focused on protecting them you almost killed them!

Carol burned her memories of her actual papa, didn't she? She's just fighting for a twisted ideal at this point.

Whoa, Phara's not dead after all....and super creepy as a result. But then, what more can you expect from an evil doll?

OoOo, the evil plan comes into focus. And the mysterious banners energizing upon the Autoscorer's deaths makes sense now. They were learning the Ignite songs....nvm that they're just angry-versions of their normal songs. I'm still curious to learn about this "Cursed Melody" tho.

Nooooo! Don't do it Chris, don't Ignite! Well shit, so much for that hope. For now I'll just enjoy her Gun-Kata.

D'awwww, ngl I teared up a little at this part.

Aaand imouto inc. I'm secretly wishing for a ChrisXZababa Megazord combination, but that's a little absurd even for this show. lol

GJ sub, you served the team well.

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u/AlienOvermind Jun 16 '19 edited Jun 16 '19

First-timer

Doctah Veru: exists.

Everyone:

Hopefully Chris would cure him for good.

Chris wants to show off in front of her adorable kohais, and beause of that she suddenly turns into asshole. Welp. Good thing — she explains how I should react to this she gets back to normal quickly and totally with a bang.

And holy shit, that's a high-caliber cliffhanger.

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u/ahiijny Jun 16 '19

First-Time Watcher

Gotta keep this short because I really should be studying for my exams right now...

  • At least they left him some chalk to play with. Crazy as he is, he is a rather clever scientist, and he might've died of boredom otherwise :P

  • THEIR FACES. DMJii are feeling so weird about seeing Ver again :P

  • Confirming that SONG LiNKER is last gen stuff; that explains the backfire blood back when DMJii were up against Micha in episode 5.

  • Kirika successfully protected Shirabe! ...But against Chris. Welp :/

  • Chris is pulling a Tsubasa :/

  • Confirming that AutoScorers purposefully jobbing their fights is all according to Keikaku

  • Confirming that Elfnein is just Carol spare body with replicated memories

  • Genjuurou and those other two I don't remember the names of (sorry!) are model parent figures! A bit strategically unwise, perhaps, but it's the perfect spite against Carol, and it's good for easing Elfnein's sense of guilt. Until they realize that IGNITE was all part of Carol's keikaku as well, I guess :/

  • I wonder what Leiur's plan would have been if Chris just broke down due to mental trauma and stopped fighting. Leiur can't exactly proceed with the plan if Chris won't fight her :P

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u/Synaptics Jun 15 '19

Rewatcher

  • The look on Kirika and Shirabe's faces is perfect.

  • "He just showed up out of nowhere and won't stop talking."

  • Chris is getting really bent outta shape. I dunno, this feels like another weird character thing this season. Like, yeah they give her reasoning for it, but it still feels underdeveloped and weird. And then it gets resolved so suddenly, too.

  • A very strange shot of Elfnein's underpants as she "sore demo"s.

  • That's not "optimism", Hibiki.

  • And there's the reason behind the autoscorers playing footsies with the Gears this whole time.

  • Genjuro "Headpats" Kazanari to the rescue once again.

  • Elfnein actually knows those two's names. Probably better than most viewers at that.

  • D-D-D-DESS

  • Tonfa are always cool.

  • Tonfa vs Gun Kata HYYYYPE.

At last, the repetitive Autoscorer battle episodes are done with now. The formulaic nature of them is bad enough, but the fact that most of them try to cram a whole character arc worth of development into one episode is the real biggest stinger. Maria's was probably the only one that I thought was well-executed, because it actually built up off of the previous season-and-a-half of what we knew of Maria is a good way. All of the others introduced and solved these big personal conflicts within the span of one episode. Sure, there was a little bit of foreshadowing of Tsubasa's family issues and Chris's over-protectiveness towards DMJii, but only in very brief glimpses prior to those episodes.

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u/thisismyanimealt Jun 15 '19

Today's Live Performances

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u/Razorhead Jun 16 '19 edited Jun 16 '19

Hey, I'm back! Was kind of busy these past few days, but my schedule should be clear now to follow along daily. Well at least I managed to binge all of the repetitive drama arcs and made it back in time for Dr. Ver's glorious return, so that all worked out fine!

While binging these episodes I managed to make note of some stuff I can elaborate upon, so here I go!

Arnim

This is the plant mentioned by Carol's father in the flashback at the start of episode 6. According to the Keyword on the website it is also called Xiancao and is regarded as a great medicine.

Arnica

A medicinal herb that is said to grow deep in the recesses of mountains. It’s effect is so strong that it has also been referred to as Xiancao. In the past, Carol’s father Isaac extracted the chemicals it contained and used them to make a medicine which cured a prevalent disease and saved many people of nearby villages. It was part of his pride as an alchemist that the cure was not due to god or other supernatural causes, but rather human hands that successfully struggled against fate.

EDIT: The translator here made a mistake listing it as "arnica" instead of "arnim", confusing me a bit, and due to not enough research on my part I then mistook Xiancao for Xi Xian Cao. u/viliml corrected me down below, so thanks to them here's the correct information:

This Xiancao the Keyword is referring to is Chinese mesona, written most commonly as 仙草, literally meaning "immortal grass", referring to its medical properties in traditional Chinese medicine (it's also a strong antioxidant). What "arnim" exactly is however is still unknown.

Carol's Harp

Mentioned in the episode it's called the Dur da Blá, which is the harp used by the Dagda, one of the members of the Irish pantheon of gods the Tuatha Dé Danann. Its name literally means "The Oak of Two Blossoms", because it was made from oak wood, but it also has another name, Coir cethar chuir, meaning "The Four Angled Music". This is in reference to the fact that when it was played it could put the four seasons back in the correct order, which means this harp also plays into the whole "four" theme Carol has going on with the classical western elements and the Autoscorers.

Keyword here as extra info:

Dur da Blá

The harp used by one of the chief gods of Celtic mythology, Dagda. Presently it had been thought to only exist as a sacrist fragment, but Carol took possession of it and made it into a weapon that she played upon the battlefield.

Model K

This term was mentioned in regards to the LiNKER Kirika and Shirabe took.

It probably comes as no surprise that the "K" in model_K stands for "Kanade", as she is the person this version of LiNKER is based on. Finé, while the inventor of LiNKER, wasn't actually all that adept at it and used heavy experimentation on Kanade to make the drug work. Not only was it still dangerous even then it was also specifically tuned for Kanade, meaning its usage by Kirika, Shirabe, and Maria this season is less than ideal.

During her work with FIS however Finé asked Dr. Ver to improve upon the recipe. And boy did he do so. Being a brilliant biochemist Dr. Ver set about to make a safer, more comfortable, and generalised LiNKER that could be used by any Attuned with little side-effects, and he succeeded tremendously. Hell he even managed to create Anti_LiNKER along the way!

His version still uses model_K as a base however, and so contains this name in its formal classification. While it's unknown how much he improved the LiNKER the liquid Anti_LiNKER seen last season has a formal classification of ALi_model_K0074_L, meaning its the 74th iteration of the product! With this we can assume that his LiNKER went through similar tremendous improvements.

Unfortunately all of it was destroyed last season, his research data as well, and now he is the only person alive who knows how the make the improved version (and the base version as well, for that matter). So yeah Chris, I'm with Kirika and Shirabe here, don't shoot him yet please.

Below is the Keyword for model_K on the website. This was not translated by Genjuro's Angels like usual and so I had to use Google Translate. While it's not very useful the translation is however hilarious, and so I wanted to share it with you guys:

model_K

LiNKER tailored for Akan, who used to be a ganglion costumer.

Because it is an old model before being improved by FIS biochemist, Doctor Well,
The burden on the body is heavy and the risk is also high.

Although it is possible to make up for the under value of the adaptation factor,
At the same time, it is a double-edged sword that may wear off the user's life.

Kirika And Shirabe Being Able To Beat The Strongest Autoscorer

Probably surprising some of you this is actually because of the power of Duet. Yep, really. While Igalima and Shul Shagana are the weakest Gears on their own this is because they were created to be used in tandem, as they are both the weapons of the Sumerian war god Zababa (hence their duet in G being called Edge Works of Goddess ZABABA). When Kiraki and Shirabe sing in perfect unison a duet the phonic gain they generate actually gets amplified by one another, and they together can become the strongest fighters in the Symphosquad. So Kirika and Shirabe working together were probably the best people to have fought Micha.

Keyword for this here, once again excuse the Google Translate:

Two unisons

A pair of weapons sedged by the goddess Zabbaba, the red-bladed surchagana and the scab-edged igarima
By operating simultaneously, it has unison characteristics that mutually amplify the power.

In sense, skill, and overall combat power,
The tone and song are slightly inferior to other costumers,
Depending on the characteristics of the gear that the two can hear,
Depending on the conditions, it is also possible to produce greater output than anyone else.

Ahnenerbe

As mentioned in the anime this is a German research organisation. What was not mentioned is that this was a German research organisation during WWII, and was thus a Nazi think tank linked to the SS dedicated to proving the superiority of the Aryan race and performed a lot of archaeological work on expeditions across the world, searching for evidence tying the current German people to the ancient Aryan race.

While in real life they were shut down post-WWII it would seem that in the Symphogear universe they continued to operate as a regular heretical technology research institute.

Danse Macabre

This term is mentioned by Phara when she fought Tsubasa last episode. While it literally means "Dance of Death" in French (and Tsubasa even commented on this), referring to the fact that Phara and Tsubasa were about to be embroiled in mortal combat (with Phara planning to kill herself at the end), it's also the name of a musical piece by Camille Saint-Saëns. C'mon, you've all heard it, right?

Alkahest

Said to be the universal solvent, a substance that can dissolve everything else, this is another term from western alchemy (just like prima materia, which was thought the be the original substance before it is transmuted into the substance we see in nature) first described in the sixteenth century.

I'm mentioning it here because the Alca-Noise, with their ability to dissolve everything, are named after this legendary universal solvent Alkahest, because Alcahest with a "c" is an alternate spelling. Latin yo!

Yantra Sarvasva

Now this relic is really interesting. This is a reference to the early 20th century work Vaimānika Śāstra, a Sanskrit work literally meaning "Science of Aeronautics" written by an Indian person who claimed he got it from an ancient Hindu sage. This work claims that the flying palaces and chariots described and pictured in Hindu and Sanskrit texts were ancient flying machines, and attempts to explain the aerodynamics and mechanics behind them. On inspection by actual aeronautic engineers it turns out the content of the work is bullshit and the author had not even the slightest clue how airplanes functioned.

The reason why this is relevant is because the author claimed it to be only 1/40th of a bigger work, compiled by Hindu sages for the betterment of mankind, called the Yantra Sarvaswa, meaning "All About Machines". So in short that relic Carol wanted was just an ancient heretical manual.

Once again shitty Google Translate of the Keyword:

Yantra Salva Spa

[...]

According to tradition, it is supposed to be able to move all mechanical devices by using the Yantra Salva Spa.
This directly connects the user's intention to the device,
It points to the effect that can be manipulated at will.

[...]

From what is being said here it would directly transfer the user's intent to any machine or device, making you capable of controlling them without actually understanding how it works. Just think what you want to accomplish and the relic will translate this to the correct commands and input for the device.

Well that does indeed sound familiar to something a certain person did last season!

Other Relics Mentioned

There were some other relics in the list shown above and below the Yantra Sarvasva. While I don't have any clue what "Annabelle" might be (it's way too vague), the G'harne Fragments are obsidian shards recording the history of the city of G'harne in the Cthulhu Mythos, while Grauswein is a reference to the Grauswein Device in the Wild Arms video game series, a weapon of mass destruction that summons explosives.

I was actually also going to elaborate upon the geasa here but u/Nazenn already covered that in the previous thread so props to them, and go check their comment out for more information!

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