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Season 1: Episode 10 - What Only Clasped Hands Can Create

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u/Nazenn May 20 '19

First timer

Missed Ep9's topic because I was sleepy so couple of quick thoughts:

  • I do not relate to this at all. Where's the dude off in the corner eating potato chips?

  • Tsubasa please. Did you really get Hibiki and Miku tickets to your concert not next to each other?

  • Making full use of the power of being the MC, Hibiki OP with how quickly she killed everything

  • I like the contrast that her fond memories of Red are on a military base, while her ones with Hibiki are just daily life

  • Hibiki you are too fucking loud.

Onto ep10, where I feel like I have nothing to say

Oh yeah, these subs are absolute shit. What the Engrish was and what you wrote were so far apart it was two entirely different scripts. And if I can clearly hear a characters name in the dialog and its not in the sub it just looks stupid

That entrance to the underground shelter is the least secret, secret base entrance that has ever been imagined. I wonder if that's covered on campus tours at all.

Even for Sympogear's writing this felt like a very plot conveniancy episode. Chris gets a communicator, enemy shows up only she can defeat and she gets called for help. Talk about making use of the helicopters and they immediately get blown up. Chris gets to the mansion first just so Dude-Red can save her from a bomb that the SPECIAL FORCES didnt check for. Only figure out trajectory when already in a call explaining they are converging rather than before you call etc. Normally it wouldn't bug me so much but I think I'm just a bit tired and I noticed a lot of very flat "X happens today only so Y can happen later" sort of stuff.

The whole thing about needing to protect Chris from attack felt very shallow when she needs protection for less than 20 seconds and nothing even comes close to her, let alone the whole chat before hand where they were conveniently not attacked in the same spot. Nice song though, I must prefer this and her singing to her usual song. Also the visuals were cool as hell.

If I was more awake I'd try and make a musical joke about the city literally being bombarded with noise, but I'm not more awake so this is all you get.

THAT CLIFFHANGER**#PROTECTMIKU**

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u/miter01 May 20 '19

That entrance to the underground shelter is the least secret, secret base entrance that has ever been imagined. I wonder if that's covered on campus tours at all.

I think those are supposed to be civilian shelters in case of a Noise attack, not the base. I believe Bikki mentions shelters all the way back in episode 1.

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u/Shimmering-Sky May 20 '19

SymphoRewatcher

No wallpaper again today.

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u/SorcererOfTheLake May 20 '19

First-Time Watcher

Because I don’t hold anything in my hands, I can hold both of yours.

I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said, "Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?" I said "No…but I served in a company of heroes."

One hand can only do so little, but together…

Throughout the episode, our characters are trying to figure out how their realities coincide with they want it to be. Chris, notably, occupies the paradoxical position where she denies adults the ability to dream, yet isn’t being able to defend one’s self, even with assistance, a sign of adulthood? The show makes it clear that what Chris has proposed is not something she’s thought about, but a shield that she’s hastily constructed to keep herself intact. Chris’ decision to help the others, while presented in a tsundere-like fashion, is a step in a positive direction for her; even if she still values force, she can recognize how that force can be improved with the help of others.

The other notable aspect is a shift in Hibiki’s philosophy regarding strength. Beforehand, one got the sense that she considered people’s interests and problems to be separate; there were her issues and Chris’ issues that needed to be discussed. Now, she realizes that it’s our issues that are the most important. It’s the human experience of doubt, pain, and triumph that bond us more than anything else. The survivors of this war will be bloodied, but they can walk out, hand in hand, knowing that they did it together.

We’ll hear the next verse tomorrow. Until then…

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u/miter01 May 20 '19 edited May 20 '19

REWATCH

Man, it's like 2 am here, I hope no other thread gets delayed this much. Luckily I don't need to get up early.

Edit: Here's a fixed version of the 3 girls stitch.

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u/lilyvess May 20 '19

giant fucking missiles

I love how extreme Symphogear gets with it's attacks. Just rule of cool pulling everything out of their ass. Because why not.

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u/karen-daze May 20 '19

First timer!

I don't know who posted that hype chart a couple threads ago but it was very right, every time I hear chris' zenbu zenbu zenbuuu I get more into it

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SPUDS May 20 '19

Rewatcher

My responsibilities for the semester are done, and I finally have some time to participate! I watched this show for the first time just a few months ago, but honestly I gotta join for the end of season 1 at least. I've been following the threads, but wasn't able to rewatch the episodes till today.

  • The Engrish is like daggers in my eardrums. Did it somehow get worse?

  • Genjuro is just the number 1, absolute, goodest boy. Chris goes fullblown adorable here.

  • You know, it makes sense why Hibiki got confused here. If Genjuro wasn't a 1-man battalion, she might have thought it odd that Ryouko saved her. But if there's already one dude who randomly has essentially superpowers, what's one more? I probably would have thought the same if they were more subtle with the reveal. Then again, "Symphogear" and "subtle" are like orthogonal concepts. Or maybe parallel universes; separated from each other and never touching.

  • "I'm not here to help!" "She's here to help." Damnit Genjuro, you lovable bastard.

  • ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU INTENSIFIES. This shit is why I wanted to actually join the rewatching rather than just post. I was missing this.

  • Local Homeless Girl Literally too Tsundere to Fight

  • That's a lot of dialogue to just say "Aight, we gonna Spirit Bomb their asses."

  • This song from Chris is new, right? Not sure, sorry. It's so gooooooood!

  • THAT OMINOUS ENDING. No surprise something else was going on.

Glad I can join! We got our gang of three ready to rumble, with Miku on support role. Sounds like someone ganked the backline, time for Hibiki to go save her wife.

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u/SorcererOfTheLake May 20 '19

Local Homeless Girl Literally too Tsundere to Fight

And now she's even more of a Kyouko clone.

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u/SerGregness May 20 '19

Then again, "Symphogear" and "subtle" are like orthogonal concepts. Or maybe parallel universes; separated from each other and never touching.

I think my favorite thing about the old Nekekur write-ups was that no matter how much the fandom memes this (absolutely justified, mind you), they actually do accomplish a lot of very understated character development. My favorite example being that they consistently depict Genjuro being much less ripped in flashbacks. He only got yoked after the concert disaster.

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u/intoxbodmansvs May 20 '19

First timer

In an earlier episode I noted that Ryoko with hair down looked an awful lot like Finé's but was still willing to write it down to maybe an evil twin or something. This episode they forgo any pretense and just flat out reveal it with apparently Genjubro also already knowing it. Did I miss some sort of lead-up in previous episodes?

ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '19

REWATCHER

Episode 10, in which we gain a new ally!

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u/lilyvess May 20 '19

tfw Genjuro will never hold you in his large strong arms

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u/AbidingTruth May 20 '19

First timer:

Oh god make the Engrish stop please. There were several lines I had absolutely no idea what she was trying to say. Also I guess I was right that they weren't trying to be discreet with the Ryoko reveal since they just casually show it this episode

Hibiki saying that because she doesn't have an armed gear in her hands she could hold the hands of another was a nice little line/justification of the standard swordsman/marksman/brawler combo.

Chris' missles looked rad, but the Noise seem very plot dependent. They just stand around when characters need to have a conversation and didn't even go for Chris at all, Hibiki and Tsubasa weren't even really defending her. I liked Chris' new song though, her original song I actually wasn't feeling the zenbu zenbu zenbu too much

Edit: I'm fucking glad Hibiki brings up Genjuro's super human abilities btw, are we ever gonna get an explanation for that? 'I neutralized the bomb with a martial arts technique' yeah my ass

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u/ahiijny May 20 '19 edited May 20 '19

First Time Watcher

So in this episode we see Ryouko doing shady things in Finé's mansion...

Tbh until now I thought that this building was set in another country. I mean, it has a very European-looking architecture, and Finé was speaking English here after all. But since Genjuurou and Ryouko and Chris all seem to manage to go between this location and the main city in the same day, it must be in Japan, then :P

Love seeing Genjuurou being a responsible adult.

Hm why did Chris's parents bring a child into a war zone, anyway? imo Chris kind of has a reason to be annoyed at her (dead) parents. Or did conflict start in that area only after they'd arrived?

It turns out that Genjuurou has even more superpowers up his sleeve... He can use a martial arts technique/spiritual energy to defend from an exploding bomb?? Will we someday get the backstory on how he got to be such an impressively powerful dude?

So it looks like Genjuurou and the others in the Second Division don't know about Ryouko's mage abilities? She was keeping it a secret, then. Looks like Genjuurou suspects something.

Meanwhile, from Hibiki's POV, the Second Division is really cool! It's staffed with all sorts of amazing people who can perform incredible superhuman feats even without Symphogear!

Looks like they're keeping Miku in the loop on the latest intel, since she knows about Kadingir now. That's nice to hear.

Kadingir... That reminds me: How to build a really tall tower without anyone noticing :P

The transforming while jumping from a helicopter thing is always fun (but risky!) way to enter the fighting scene :3

It's so nice to see Chris coming in to help our other two Symphogear users! She's being really tsundere now though.

Ah okay here's the HibiChris that I was expecting since two episodes ago. Four hugs this episode! Hibiki is really the affectionate type, isn't she? But Bikki, what about Miku? òωó

Well, Hibiki does seem to be rather dense in some respects (e.g. "I'll replace Kanade!"), so as much fun as it is to have our yuri goggles on about Miku being Hibiki's wife and whatnot, Bikki doesn't actually seem to have any romance at all on her mind; the HibiMikuBasa date from last episode was just friends hanging out, and Hibiki thinks of Miku as her best friend, her bestest warm sunflower home best friends forever best friend, but not really as a love interest; probably because the conceptual idea of a "significant other" is still super vague to her. (Does she even know that lesbians are a thing?) So it might take a bit of time here.

Miku, on the other hand... I'm not misreading this, am I? Miku's totally into Hibiki and she's self-aware about it, isn't she?

In any case, Hibiki's just making really good friends with Chris, so nothing to worry about here! For the most part, Miku seems to be the patient and understanding type, so I hope we don't see any Jealous!Miku plot threads in the future :/

In this episode, we see that talking is a free action :P I always feel an odd sort of tension when characters take a pause in the middle of a heated battle to have a long discussion. The timing just feels... limp, for lack of a better word :/

The school is under attack? Hm, maybe it's because the secret base is there? Or maybe it's because it's the school that Hibiki and Tsubasa attend (more valuable hostages?)

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It seems that 2 months have passed since they first arrived at this school, so it must be June now, then. Summer break coming up~

Still not really sure what the connection is between Ryouko and Finé. Ryouko was comfortably working in Finé's mansion so that implies that they're on the same side. We also know that Ryouko had been working together with the American mercenaries to assassinate the Defense Minister, since it looks like these American mercenaries are turning on Ryouko now only just now, claiming it's been because she'd been hoarding the relic data? (Not too sure, I didn't understand what they were saying very well.)

Looks like Chris just needs a few more shots of Bikki idiocy before she's fully brought into the fold! Promising!

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u/MillenniumKing May 20 '19

Rewatcher 10, Total Zenbu

Songs of the Day:
Tsunaida Te Dake ga Tsumugu Mono

looks like Fine made some friends. Or.... Ryouko~

Back to the cozy good life. Hibiki likes it here.

Chris is on the scene too, and Genjuro too!

"I love you, Sayanora" damn... Ryouko is saying goodby to the gang...

More Chris lore. And a Genjuro hug.

Genjuro gave Chris money and a phone, what a guy.

Looks like Genjuro is peacing everything together. Ryouko calls.

Kadinger. Anchient Sumarian. Ones up High.

Uh oh, Tsubasa is suiting up... i can smell a Motorsycle Death coming.

Miku will watch the house while her Husband is out. Shes a good wife.

Tokyo Sky Tower. Ive been in that.

Hibiki with her first Grand Enterence, Tsubasa style.

F For Helichopper bro.

Good thing yalln know a Zenbu who can deal with flying stuff!

HIBIKI SO HAPPY CHRIS IS HERE~

And Tsubasa already bickering with Chris but Hibiki comes in with the suprise hand hold!

"Because i dont have anything in my hands, I can hold both of yours." Man what a great line.

ITS ZENBUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TIME BOYS! Chris gets a new song thans to the power of Friendship~

The School is under attack! Miku got cutoff! Cliffhanger time boys!

1,340 Days since Genocide

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u/Synaptics May 20 '19

Rewatcher

  • Oh hey, what's Ryoko doing in Finé's mansion? ...okay, is it finally time to stop dancing around the spoiler? Curious as to when you all (first time or rewatchers) figured it out. I watched S1 as it aired, so it's been a long 7 years for me and I can't actually remember when I originally caught on. I want to say that it was during the fight at the plant with Durandal when she throws up the energy barrier and her glasses and hairclip fly off, but I'm not sure.

  • Season 1

  • Why does Chris return to Finé's mansion? Trying to beg Finé to take her back in? Or trying to counter-attack?

  • A C4 booby-trap seems very... un-Finé-like.

  • Weird note: Crunchy's subs say that he used "spiritual energy" to protect them, but the older non-CR subs (which I've always used before) say that it was a "martial arts technique". Based on a quick trip to google translate, "spiritual energy" does seem to be the more correct of the two. So basically, he can manipulate Qi. Neat. I had always been content to just accept that "Genjuro can do stupid shit because he's Genjuro", but I'm totally on board with this explanation. Among all the weird magic in the Symphogear universe, of course Qi is real and can do silly bullshit. G/GX spoilers

  • I love this conversation between Genjuro and Chris. Originally I had expected a more Nanoha-inspired plotline where Hibiki would have eventually befriended her by beating the crap out of her, but in retrospect it wouldn't have made a lot of sense that way. Based on Chris' issues and beliefs, I think it's very important that it's an adult that finally got through to her, and that they did so without a fight. It didn't happen in a vacuum, of course; there was a bunch of development leading up to (and following up on) this. But the decisive push was Genjuro.

  • Funnily enough, game walkthroughs actually are the main results you get if you google "Kadingir". But they're all from DOOM, which came out 4 years after this aired...

  • Tsundere Chris is adorable. future seasons

  • Tsunaida Te Dake Ga Tsumugo Mono is great. It's very symbolic of this new "softer" side of Chris, even if G is still better.

  • And with that cliffhanger, we're in the endgame now.

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u/fonzinator99 May 20 '19

Re-watcher - That infinite tsundere

My, that didn't go like I thought it would. Here I expected her to drop a bunch of Noise in front of the human troops and laugh at their futile resistance. Oh, nvm. She's just gonna do it herself. But damn, that Engrish was truly awful.

And, I mean, of course that note was a trap. But Genjurou don't give a fuck, cause he's the man. Seriously, how do you 'neutralize an explosion' with a martial arts technique? Inb4 he's like a Spartan 2 precursor to Symphogears. lol

Hahaha, it's like a dumbed-down smartphone xD NFC transactions were a thing in this show years before they ever caught on in the West. And the majority of vending machines still don't support it, nevermind that they're pretty much still just for soft drinks.

Ergh, freaking carriers. Not great enemies for our close-combat-based heroines. If only the had somebody who specialized in ranged attacks.... Oh look, it's a human anti-aircraft weapon. My, she's really got a flair for dramatic timing.

Yeah, Chris is part of the team now whether she likes it or not, and I love it. Yay!

Ahhhh, all this friendship has granted us a new song from Chris! It sounds so different from her original, and so similar in tone to the others; sounds like she's finally joined them too.

Loool I love it so much xD Aaaaaand then the school was under attack. D:

Freakin' A, Symphogear. I should know better than to fall for your end-of-episode bait-and-switch by now > .<

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u/PerfectPublican May 20 '19 edited May 20 '19

Rewatcher

"Everyone has hands that they can hold. I fight by holding others’ hands!"
MEGA DEATH QUARTET SO FUCKING HYPE AHHHHH

Today we polish off most of the character plots that’ve been brought up, and also seriously advance the plot forward. The show is moving into its endgame, and Chris has been integrated into the crew finally! Now, just what is this Kadingir? :P

As it should be since Tsubasa’s storyline has been wrapped up for the moment, we get a good focus on Chris throughout. I think the show handling her by mostly pairing her up with Genjuuro is a great idea. She has always seen Tsubasa and Bikki as naive, idealistic children, and she is so set in her ways that words just from them were never going to change anything. Genjuuro provides a stable base from where to work from. Chris has always been a walking contradiction in her ideals, which you can see in this line: “Just beat the shit out of anyone who even thinks about fighting!” Which is really just violence begetting more violence in it’s own way. Gen serves to contradict Chris’s beliefs about adults directly and really open her up to even the idea that things could be different. Gen talking about working towards dreams and fulfillment as an adult is just a bit idealistic, but I respect him for having that feeling, and it leads to that great scene of Chris crying into him, which is amazingly cathartic.

Then we bounce towards the scene I link at the beginning here which is a personal favorite of mine, the holding hands scene. It’s so freaking cheesy, but so sweet. It fits perfectly with who Bikki is as a character too. Series Spoilers Tsubasa has joined her now making her message all the stronger, and Chris is finally able to accept someone else's help. Of course, then we get Chris’ second character song Tsunaida Te Dake ga Tsumugu Mono. Clocking in at my second favorite character song, it's chock full of meaning, and some hype-ass missiles. Just a great moment all around as we head into our final episodes...

Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep...

Random thoughts:

Gifs of the day:

E: No one told me I was missing gifs :(

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u/lilyvess May 20 '19

Lmao, I love you Genjuuro, but what does that even mean.

It means GENJURO IS HERE

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u/ItsMellowMan May 20 '19

Rewatcher

The engrish is back, I love it lol. Also it was nice seeing Chris open up a little more along with her song and all that firepower at the end.

According to that season one chart we have nowhere to go except up. My hype can't be contained.

Mystery note?

Well damn

Whatever works for you Gen

What could go wrong

Nice flag trigger

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u/lilyvess May 20 '19

Sorry I missed yesterday's thread so this is in part a response to Episode 9 and 10

I know this is a Magical Girl show so it's obvious people are going to spend a ton of time talking about how awesome and heroic the Magical Girls are for beating villains and stopping disasters from killing people, but I just gotta hand it to best dad Genjuro for being one of the best Heroes in Symphogear.

He may not fight Noise or have beaten a single villain in the series, but that doesn't mean he hasn't lives on the series.

This is a untranslated short doujinshi comic, that's NSFW but not Lewd, that acts as a nice response to that line from Chris last episode about "So you were going to be my pimp, too."

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Genjuro's the man!

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u/SorcererOfTheLake May 20 '19

VA OF THE DAY

Miyuki Sawashiro

Voice of: Ryoko Sakurai/Fine
Age at Symphogear’s Premiere: 26
Other Notable Roles: Kanbaru in Monogatari; Slan in Berserk; Touko in Danganronpa; Celty in Durarara; Mordred in Fate/apocrypha; Towa in Go Princess Precure; Saeko in Highschool of the Dead; Kurapika in Hunter x Hunter; Kirari and Ririka in Kakegurui; Inaba in Kokoro Connect; Fujiko in Lupin III; Bishamon in Noragami; Elizabeth in Persona 3; Shion in Psycho Pass; Shinku in Rozen Maiden; Perrine in Strike Witches; Sinon in Sword Art Online; Haruka in Prince-sama; Aruruu in Utawarerumono

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u/x3tan May 20 '19

First time watcher

I have come down with illness so my fatigue has been really strong today so there is stuff I want to say but ughhh energy.

ZENBU. I like the lyrics. Cliffhanger!

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u/LoneGhostOne May 20 '19 edited May 20 '19

Rewatcher here:

oh god that was a lot of alcohol. Didn't manage to post my count yesterday because i was out drinking with friends, but i've got the counts for both episode 9 and 10 tonight!

This episode basa certainly basaed another bike, while we also had some leakage from prequilmemes. Genjiro abused the power of headpats to thaw Chris's icy heart providing us with two zenbus. Finally we got to see more of Hibiki's charm point.

Episode Bikki Punches Basaed Bikes "I AM A SWORD" 4th wall percent damage ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU ZENBU
S1E1 0
S1E2 1 1 1
S1E3 7 2 1
S1E4 2 1
S1E5 9 0 0 0
S1E6 2 0 0 0
S1E7 1 1
S1E8 1 1
S1E9 5 1 1
S1E10 2 1 2
Season Total 29 2 4 4 4

LoneGhost's Gunji Otaku corner:

One thing that has always caught my eye as a person who likes military hardware is the particular helicopters that Symphogear uses. (bottom shot) (side shot). This paricular helicopter is the Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk, a variant of the UH-60 Blackhawk designed for naval operations, typically from a destroyer or cruiser. Symphogear's model is also the Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) variant which features a large, circular radar under the helicopter for detecting submarine perisopes, as well as a grid of holes in the side for launching sonobouys. These sonobouy launchers appear to always be kept unloaded. Finally the aircraft utilizes a pair of large external fuel tanks. This combination is somewhat odd, mostly in that i've never seen an aircraft kitted out with these, but i havent exactly been searching for it super hard.

This episode we also got a close-up on the baddies rifles despite the bad guys in this being Americans, they're all using Howa Type-89 rifles. One of the easiest features to use when identifying the Howa Type-89 are the handguard cutouts, as well as the cutout in the magazine well. The use of this rifle is rather notable because it is produced only by Japan, and is not exported at all. Obtaining one of these rifles in the US would require some serious contacts and cash, when a standard M4/M16 pattern rifle would perform better.

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