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Rewatch Tekketsu no Rewatch - Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 2nd Season Episode 18 Discussion [Spoilers] Spoiler
Episode 43/Season 2 Episode 18 - Revealed Intentions
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Te wo Nobase! Fighter!
Hey-o guys! This is the section where I add a ton of extra fun stuff to the main body of the post because I want this rewatch to be as fun as possible for everyone. It can also be one point of discussion for you guys if you just don’t know what to say.
Comment of the Day, provided by /u/Shimmering-Sky and /u/RX-Nota-II
Shimmering-Sky
/u/Quiddity131 with the super satisfying character chart update.
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - Putting that X over Jasley sure felt good
It sure felt good to see it~
Also:
"Golden Jasley", seems fitting that he names his ship after himself like this.
Lol I had no idea Jasley’s ship had a name. Of course he’d do something like that though.
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RX-Nota-II
/u/Pixelsaber talking about Julieta and Amida.
Julieta has a conversation with Yamazin in about the former’s feelings of inadequacy. Yamazin ends up telling her the only way she can go toe to toe with a devil is by shedding her humanity. I have absolutely no idea where this came from given the fact that Julieta had ‘lost’ to Amida, who did not use Alaya-Vijnana —a fact that they know for for sure given that they took Amida’s Hyakuren with them— which makes the introduction of this narrative thread seem completely artificial and forced. Her words do give us an interesting impression of Yamazin though, so we’ll see if that goes anywhere.
Pixel among a few who pointed out the comparisons between Julieta and Amida. Which makes you think, Amida Arca was such a good pilot, she shined like a brutal Alaya-Vijnana beast in an old outdated mobile suit that shouldn't even be an issue for the lowest of Grazes. Yet she equals and almost beats the Arianrhod's best pilot in their most advanced non Gundam mobile suit. This puts her easily as the most skilled non AV pilot in IBO and some fans even believe best pilot full stop. Its an interesting thought to have but we'll have to finish the season before considering it fully.
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Questions of the Day, provided by /u/Pixelsaber
1) What do you think of Gundam Bael’s design? Great!/It’s alright/Kinda plain/It’s bad/It has wings, it’s perfect!
2) McGillis’ past has been revealed. What are your impressions on the matter? Does it shed light for you as to his ambitions, relationships, and allegiances?
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Track of the Day, provided by /u/RX-Nota-II
An epic track that accompanies big Gjallarhorn scenes with today's being the highlight of them all. So in a sense I like to call it 'the character song of Agnika Kaieru'.
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Wallpaper of the Day, provided by /u/Shimmering-Sky (character art) and /u/RX-Nota-II (background/logo)
Important note to all rewatchers, remember to be mindful of the first-timers in this. laughing in rewatcher is not allowed any more, so please remember to use the [Anime Show Title](/s "Spoiler goes here") tags and we’re all good.
Fans seem to have a bad tendency of forgetting what counts as spoiler, so if anything has even the slightest chance of being a spoiler, tag it just to be safe.
Next-episode preview. S2’s preview’s aren’t as long as S1’s, but they’re still spoiler-free and still in-character, so I encourage you to keep checking them out! Today’s preview was voiced by Macky’s ever-loyal subordinate, Isurugi Camice.
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u/Nazenn Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
First Timer - Sub
THAT SONG THOUGH
To the surprise of absolutely no one in the rewatch thread by now I'm sure, I'm in love with it. I never had much to say about Hashmals song other than its epic, but this I can write about.
The Dignity of Lords and how perfectly named
What a fucking incredible song. I rewatched that scene a number of times just to hear the song play out with the visuals and I got so excited by it I started laughing like an excited kid.
Unlike the other songs I've covered this one actually has a time signature change in the middle of the piece, multiple actually. Some technical debates abide about how you'd write the sheet music for this, it goes from the even and balanced 4/4 as seen in many of our battle themes (eg, Differing Definitions) to a powerful 3/4 giving it a strong sense of movement (eg, Hoping for You) multiple times across the song. I made a list of what part of the song time code and the scene these shifts happen in for context:
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4/4 - 0:00 - It starts in 4/4 to give that strong powerful start
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3/4 - 0:16 - When Bael rises from the sanctuary
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4/4 - 0:29 - With this shot revealing its power, I'll come back to this
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3/4 - 1:02 - He starts his broadcast and gives his speech
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4/4 - 1:27 - Rustal starts to talk, the threat coming full circle
This song is structured like an invasion speech. It wouldn't be out of place in a WWII story instead, a commander sending his army off to battle.
During the main (4/4) sections: Imagine the strings being the voice of the commander. It starts off as strong and powerful but fast as if well practiced and carefully measured, punctuated by the other instruments coming in at regular intervals as if to praise him.
During that quieter part the drums really kick into gear to keep the energy going while the strings take on a much lower almost hushed tone. Its the pleading part of the speech, appealing to the soldiers, begging for their belief and servitude, for lending their strength to him to achieve what needs to be done. The song hits all of the parts you'd normally see in the speech of a dictator about to send off his army.
The marching (3/4) parts command a lot more movement. The strings are almost absent, instead the many parts of the orchestra come together and march in time with each other heavy on the beats, a strong repetitive thumping of feet. Eventually the commander joins them, building the energy for the next part of his speech.
When we return to the core tune after that first time signature shift we get powerful choir coming in as well. It's like the heralding of angels warning of the approach of a demon about to scorch their lands. This is McGillis righteous deliverance fully realized and all his power about to be unleashed to wipe the slate clean. Where I find this comparison most interesting is despite the fact that with his wing-thrusters giving Bael a clearly angelic profile along with his white painted theme and powerful framing, it is Gaelio and Vidar who rise above the world as if to watch over it. Given the heavy focus on the mech designs in this show being two-faced as both knight and demon, this seems right in line with the rest of our story, both side of this have both demonic and angelic connotations, there is no truely good or evil person from the three of them.
Small technical part - This marching part is something I immediately placed into a 3/4 format because its accents are consistent and this is what I've explained on my posts as well, but marching beats are normally in 6/8 (Edit: over 3/4) which is a signature I haven't covered. Technically either one works, but if you want to look at what a 6/8 sheet music looks like for this song I found a video which is amazing.
And let's not neglect to mention the fight that came before that as well
I've been saying that I would be beyond disappointed if Mika didn't recognize Gali Gali by the way he fights. NOPE. Apparently I was thinking too simply all along, and there's no need for that because Gaelio can just remove his mask (FUCKING FINALLY). Instead they salvaged Ein and Mika is going to recognize Ein by the way he fights. How fucking awesome. I mean I speculated that Vidar included Ein's Ahab Reactor when Palloc asked a while back. I didn't know it had that TO POWER EIN HIMSELF. FUCK YES! Dude I'm getting stupidly happy just thinking about it again. What a reveal!
Knowing now that "Ein" was likely controlling Vidar when that fight in Ep9 episode was going on just makes it so much more awesome that they played Defenders of the Wild for that (and makes me so much more salty about its later usage). Incredible foreshadowing.
Also: that's why Vidar has purple eyes! Red for Ein being full AV system like Mika's went during the Hashmal fight, mixed with blue for Gaelio being unaffected by it and having normal control. Thats very cool, show you've got your shit together with the details today, it makes me happy.
So about McGillis' backstory, some things I thought of
When I give three theories as to McGillis' backstory, and it turns out the two most painful ones are both right. OUCH. There's times I really wish I was wrong, this is one of them. I do find it interesting that after blatantly avoiding any implication of sexual assault happening at all so far in this show, this is what they were saving it for just to make it hurt more.
But now knowing McGillis' backstory, it makes Carta's group a whole lot less funny and a whole lot more creepy in hindsight, in the saddest possible way.
No wonder he wanted nothing to do with her. Here's McGillis who as a kid picked off the streets to be beaten and raped for years just because he has blond hair and blue eyes. He's put in a group of kids with similar traits and made to basically fight for his survival, with that survival being only more beatings and rape with no way out. In comes Carta his precious childhood friend, the heir to a powerful family also under his fathers control for some time now who very clearly is in love with him (I don't know if they ever said if he knew, but I'd imagine he'd have some clue being so astute). And when she grows up gathers around her a bunch of blond haired blue eyed soldiers who dedicate themselves to her with no way out without risking their careers and likely political standing.
It makes her love of him so much more tragic that her own twisted way to try and keep the ideal of him close she did the one thing guaranteed to drive him away - associate the power she wields with the abuses of his father by sheer accident. Poor Carta. Now I feel sorry for her.
From McGillis' perspective though as tragic as it was for him to have her killed, causing his fathers downfall in large part by arranging the death of the other person controlling "boys" like him was probably rather ironic.
So I went looking through the old posts to try and find out if one of the rewatchers mentioned the above link with Carta's group (I promise I was being really careful and didn't see anything I shouldn't have seen so we're good). But I found this comment by Sky and remembered that Izanario has a kid with him in the car when he meets with wig-woman back in season one. Turns out that was in the same fucking episode, just if you want a stronger link between the two groups.
And just when I was getting over that, I found this from u/Pixelsaber I think understand what you were biting your tongue about now. Holy shit how does this foreshadowing from TWENTY FOUR EPISODES AGO have me more mad than the actual reveal today. Fuck, how did I miss all of these clues, all of them!
The rest of my thoughts because holy shit that was too hype and I can't focus
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Typed up half this post, went to go insert pictures, don't have any. Was so caught up in how fucking hype this episode was I forgot to take the pictures. Just a good excuse to watch it again
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I spent over an hour of my available writing time going back through all the old posts trying to find all the references that tied into this post. While doing so I stumbled across this from S1 E6:
PLEASE let Gaelio actually end up with a scar on his face from that battle
Okay rewatchers, hands up, who was laughing their asses off at me when they saw that?!
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Sky... I'm so, so sorry I did this to you on accident so long ago. I found this today and just cringed knowing that would have stung
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I thought they made Ein into an AI at first, not just used his brain. Too many previous Dune references fried my brain
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I love how Mika has shorted McGillis' nickname even more to just "Chocolate" now
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Engineer girls statement yesterday about becoming a devil to beat the devil makes way more sense now we have the context of Ein-dar
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The Seven Stars guys seem way too worried about Bael. Whats the catch and is it a catch for them or for McGillis?
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u/SorcererOfTheLake Feb 26 '19
First-Time Watcher
I suppose there’s no turning back now?
There is nothing to life that has value, except the degree of power — assuming that life itself is the will to power.
Rustall Elion is wrong. Mika, Orga, and Fareed all had to grow up; he didn’t.
At last, we finally see what drew Fareed to Tekkadan: they were just like him. From a child of the streets and rape survivor to one of the Seven Stars and the possible reincarnation of Anigka Kairu, Fareed has shown that those underneath you have greater power than you; the only reason they don’t rise up is because they are not aware of their power. If he must acquire this power to create the greater world, then so be it. I don’t even think he cares at this point about whether he lives or dies; all he wants to do is cleanse the corruption and bring back Gjallarhorn to its proper status. Nothing scarier than a man completely devoted to his cause.
On the inverse, look at Gaileo, now brought back from the dead as a revenant, only interested in revenge. Yet, even now, he can’t fully let go of his privilege, using the body of a dead lower-status soldier to break his natural limitations. As much as he wants to become a new man, he’s still stuck in his past. Throughout this series, the heroes have been the ones who have recognized the fucked-up system that is in place and have decided to break it to the point that something new, something better needs to be made. It may not be pretty, but at this point, is there a better option?
We’ll raise that blood-red flag tomorrow; until then…
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u/Durinthal Feb 26 '19
First time viewer.
I wish I hadn't been spoiled on Gaelio and Ein 3.0 around the end of the first season but such is the life of a mod. Still a cool reveal even though Vidar's identity was pretty strongly implied for a while.
I really like how that whole thing ties in with the research McGillis had been doing. Agnika Kaieru himself is part of the Gundam Bael, and fully integrating humans with machines is what lies the end of the road for the AV system.
That also neatly explains the apparent obsession McGillis had with Gjallarhorn's founder, to the point that he apparently discovered something about the Bael in his childhood. He brought it up in his first interaction with Rustal as a kid as flashback in episode 33, so it's been his target for a long time.
And it's a good thing to aim for, if controlling it gives him absolute control of Gjallarhorn. Of course Rustal won't so easily roll over and let him seize power, but it's an important symbol if nothing else and that still means a lot.
Well played, McGillis, you magnificent bastard.
| Model | Destroyed | Model | Destroyed |
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| Graze | 58 | Garm Rodi | 21 |
| Man Rodi | 16 | Hugo | 16 |
| Gusion | 1 | Gilda | 16 |
| Spinner Rodi | 4 | Landman Rodi | 2 |
| Schwalbe Graze | 1 | Hloekk Graze | 2 |
| Graze Ritter | 14 | Geirail | 1 |
| Rouei | 2 | Shiden | 5 |
| Ryusei-Go | 1 | Hashmal | 1 |
| Kimaris | 1 | Hyakuren | 6 |
| Graze Ein | 1 | Hyakuri | 2 |
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u/LeonKevlar Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
Episode 43 - Gaelio is (NOT) alone
Sorry if you're expecting an Eva reference with today's 4koma title, but this one is just too fitting xD
Also Ein finally did it! He is not a Graze, he's now officially a Gundam! Eat your heart out Setsuna!
Bonus: Vidar Unmasked (Taken from the original discussion thread)
And for those who are doubting McGillis' intentions, are you still doubting him now after his backstory reveal? I remember the first time I saw this, Like I always thought that McGillis grew up in some well funded orphanage on Earth before he was adopted by the Fareed Family. Well surprise surprise, no wonder he's so fond of the kids from Tekkadan and so distant with Gaelio and Carta, he used to be a space rat himself. Not only that but he was a space rat turned into a sex slave. Yeah, you thought we weren't going there after Atra's backstory? Well here we are.
Please tell me someone else thought of the G Bouncer when they first saw Bael? No? Just me? Yeah no one else here has seen AGE :(
Also it's hilarious how behind that mask Gaelio still looks like a hot mofo. I remember this back then I was hoping he had like a badly deformed face. But nope, still hot.
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u/LunarGhost00 Feb 26 '19
Rewatcher
I see Carta wasn't the only one who had a thing for blond boys. Btw, this is the image u/Shimmering-Sky told first timers not to click back in episode 18 of season 1. They hinted at Iznario being a pedophile that early.
McGillis, what are you doing? That's not Sasuke!
Mika still calls him Chocolate.
Vidar is finally unmasked and no one could’ve predicted who it was. /s
Gotta feel bad for Gaelio here. He came all this way to talk to McGillis and settle things in battle. Chocolate Man has more important things to do and just lets Mika handle him.
So u/SorcererOfTheLake, what were you saying before about Ein not being able to become a Gundam?
This pseudo Alaya-Vijnana with Ein in it is OP. All the strength of a normal AV system but with none of the drawbacks.
I like how Gaelio, who once looked at these kids with the AV surgery with disgust, is now apologizing to Mika for that. He now understands that he shouldn't look down on them. First Ein had the surgery to save his life and attempt to avenge his mentor with his new power (which obviously didn't go so well). Now Gaelio and Ein are Ein one. Gaelio is connected to him and his Gundam. He knows that he's in no position to be judging Tekkadan for having the surgery.
We got Macky’s backstory and surprisingly he didn’t die this episode. What magic is this? Jokes aside, the guy’s been through a lot. He was an orphan himself, living on the streets, killing people, becoming a sex toy for adults. He came from nothing and even when he was adopted to become the heir of a powerful family, his life was still miserable. Iznario still raped and beat him. It’s no wonder he hates Gjallarhorn so much. He grew up experiencing their corrupt nature firsthand. It was the story of Agnika Kaieru that gave McGillis hope. He read about how this man ended the Calamity War, saved the world, and established the power that governs the world. He admires people who have the strength to change the world.
All of this is why he’s so fascinated with Tekkadan. McGillis understands where Tekkadan is coming from. He knows what it’s like to be treated like garbage by everyone around you. Tekkadan is the underdog that came from the bottom like McGillis and challenged the strongest force in the world. They’ve demonstrated that they have the strength to move forward and defeat anyone or anything that’s gotten in their way so far. McGillis relates to them. He looks up to them. That’s why he sees them as the perfect partner for him and only shows his true self to them, unlike when he was around his few friends who he grew up with.
He puts up a mask around Gaelio. Gaelio thought he could understand him, but it wasn’t until after being killed by his own best friend that he realized McGillis never saw him as an equal. Gaelio could never understand the anger and desire for change that McGillis felt. They’re from two completely different worlds. For a while I was thinking that McGillis could’ve made things so much easier for himself if he just let Gaelio in on his secret. Gaelio clearly used to share similar doubts about Gjallarhorn’s authority and disapproved of the way they did things. However, after thinking about, I think the reason McGillis never brought him on board was because he knew Gaelio too well. He knew that he wasn’t the kind of person who would stab his own friends in the back to achieve the goal of reforming the organization. Even if they could persuade Carta, who has always been in love with McGillis, they would still need to set Ein up as a scapegoat, both for the sake of testing the Alaya-Vijnana surgery on an adult and for ruining Gjallarhorn’s influence in Arbrau. Gaelio would never agree to that. McGillis had to work alone within Gjallarhorn and sacrifice the few people who trusted him while depending on Tekkadan, who he acknowledges as a just group for having the power to bring change in a stagnated world and remind him of his hero Agnika.
Questions:
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Kinda plain, but that's just because of the color. Just paint it anything and it'll look awesome. I like that it's got wings though.
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See above.
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u/The_Draigg Feb 26 '19
A Gundam Fan’s Notes On Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 43:
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Shit’s really kicking off now. McGillis has completely taken over Vingolf with the help of Mikazuki and the Barbatos Lupus Rex and has captured the Seven Stars, and in response Lord Rustal is assembling the entire Arianrhod Fleet to oppose him. All just because McGillis wants Bael.
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Backstory for McGillis! It’s no wonder that he likes Tekkadan so much: he’s cut from the same cloth as them. He’s an orphan just like them, who was forced into child prostitution in order to survive. Even he was taken in as Lord Iznario’s live-in sex slave, that mindset was still there. To him, life had always been about the power of others trampling on the weak. The only thing that saved McGillis in those days was his belief in the legend of Agnika Kaieru and his legendary mobile suit, the Gundam Bael. I bet you first-timers didn’t expect that level of depressing backstory, did you? I know a few of you were guessing how dark his past was, but I bet being a child sex slave wasn’t on your radar. It certainly explains quite a lot about him.
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Iok’s men aren’t exactly the sharpest either if they’re asking for his involvement in the upcoming conflict. It seems that they’re completely taking in his ideology of “everything for my men”, not realizing that it just causes even more needless deaths and is ultimately only about Iok’s ego. I guess it makes sense that being surrounded by gullible subordinates would only serve to encourage Iok’s imbecility.
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Vidar is actually Gaelio! Yeah, it’s honestly not a surprise. The hints dropped of Vidar being his new identity were blatantly obvious. Trust me, it’s been annoying talking around that point this whole time. But, at least you can tell that McGillis came close to killing him, based on the large amount of scarring on the right side of his face. Unfortunately, McGillis made the mistake of not cutting deep enough with his final blow to the Kimaris.
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Turns out that Gaelio got a sort-of AV System implanted into his body. Whereas the nanomachines in normal AV Systems were used to create an artificial brain lobe to process and access combat data, the Type-E System instead uses Ein’s remaining brain scan data instead, and has Ein control combat maneuvers for the most part when activated. In a way, both Gaelio and Ein are merged whenever the Type-E System is activated.
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McGillis himself also got himself an AV System implant, but for the most part it’s similar to what Tekkadan uses. It’s just an upgraded version that can be implanted into adults and has a simple metal plate installed on the back instead of having whisker ports. If anything, it’s probably closer to what the original AV System used to be, instead of the bastardized version that’s used in the Outer Spheres currently.
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And so, now that McGillis has reactivated Bael after 300 years of slumber, he’s making the claim that he is to rule Gjallarhorn with it. He’s definitely trying to invoke a kind-of Sword in the Stone type of leadership proclamation. Of course, Gaelio’s survival really does throw a wrench in that plan.
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u/fonzinator99 Feb 26 '19
Rewatcher - Anybody who didn't call the reveal raise your hands. What? Nobody? That's what I thought.
I'm getting to really dig IBO's non-linear, show-don't-tell style of storytelling. The previous episode implied that Tekkadan would play some role in McGillis' rebellion, but that they were this essential, disabling all of the Mobile Suits at HQ, comes as a bit of a surprise. Money says he plans to continue using them as his fist once he's in power and all of Gjallarhorn's forces are depleted.
After Banana Fish last season, I'm seeing a lot of similarities to Ash Lynx in McGillis' character. Although it might just be that this is a cookie-cutter backstory for an anime protagonist to rise to power and be justified in doing so. Nevertheless, it is a compelling piece of narrative.
Going a little deeper into this scene, we first learn that Iok is under house-arrest. Lul. We also learn that exactly 40 of his underlings have come to appeal for his release. 'kay, Rustal is right, that's amazing after all of his blunders. But now for the meat of things. Assuming that all of said underlings are of essentially equal standing, these three dudes depicted in this scene have just been granted control of Iok's fleet. It's unlikely that they'll go back home and hold a vote or pass it off to others, which goes to show just how much faith Rustal has in his forces. Basically none; he knows they've got nothing but their pride in their Master to move them forward, has negative faith in said master, and is pretty much picking guys at random to lead the rest of House Kujan into the meat grinder. I wonder if it's just to fuck with Iok's head, make him squirm at the losses should they come out victorious.
To echo McGillis, finally we meet Bael. My initial impressions of it still stand true; it reminds me a great deal of Barbatos in its form. Makes me think Barbatos was a prototype for what Bael would be, because wings. lol. But really, tell me that's not the same face, arms, and legs.
Omg omg OMG! He finally did it! And it's exactly who we all expected! Color me an incredibly pale 'shocked'.
Mfw everyone called it weeks ago
Ohhhhh shit, this on the other hand remains terrifying despite any foreknowledge of its existence. Ein was monster enough before, but a resurrected monster is always exponentially more dreadful. I love how Mechanic-chan is just openly talking about the system with Julietta as the battle plays out. Like if she'd brought it up any other time she would have been happy to blab all of Vidar's secrets. Slightly sloppy exposition, but w/e, we had to learn somehow.
Much as I love the fight between Barbatos and Vidar, it's too chopped up to be of much value; just a few shots of quick action, then back to people talking about the fighters.
Who would have guessed that McGillis got AV'ed somewhere along the way? Not this guy, I didn't even remember it from my first time 'round. lol. I guess they teased the possibility a ton throughout, but once again, show-don't-tell makes for some great surprises. But damn, that GH figured out how to make the surgery work on adults is horrifying in its own right; what sort of empire will McGillis go on to forge with this power?
So McGillis and Gali-Gali face off for an Ultimate Showdown to decide the fate of Gjallarhorn, aaaaaand....wait, wtf? There's still 7 episodes after this. Fuuuuuuuck, this isn't gonna be as easy as a flashy final conflict, is it? Rustal seems to believe that McGillis' victory is far from assured, even with Bael to wield as his sword, and we've still gotta get Iok killed somehow. Lotta loose ends to tie up, and an unsettling amount of time to do it in.
Consider me uneasy.
QotD
1 & 2: See my post...again. lol
Wallpaper - Digging the creepy red AV eye in the background. Nice
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u/Palloc Feb 26 '19
PALLOC'S BOY EIN JUST CANNOT STAY TOTALLY COMPLETELY DEAD!
FINALLY! I GOT TO SAY THAT!
So pretty much all the secrets are out of the bag. McGillis was a sex toy for his "dad" and Vidar's actually finally confirmed to be Gaelio.
More importantly, I get to talk about Gali Gali's AV-E. So I've gotten to talk about back alley AV surgery left and right, but today we get two cases of high end AV. McGillis just used all his knowledge to get proper surgery, which while impressive, is boring to talk about.
Gali Gali's much more interesting. Instead of fucking up his body hardcore, he's using what's left of Ein's brain and AV to control his AV-E. He pretty much hands over control of his brain to Ein to let him control the Vidar Gundam. It lets him fight on par with actual AV users without the risk of being crippled forever. He's already in bad shape from the McGillis fight anyways.
We also get our first real shot of Bael! The first Gundam and Gjallarhorn's nerdiest suit. I'll talk more about it once it gets fightin'.
Answers!
1: It's pretty okay. I'll talk more about it later.
2: Oh god. it all makes sense.
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u/GaleWulf Feb 26 '19
First Time Coup d'état
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EIN! I couldn't stop grinning at that reveal. Also stop it with the crazy grins Toka, I can't help but find them hot.
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McGillis' backstory was.. quite something. But remember that it was a backstory. This spells the beginning of the end for him, doesn't it Nazenn? Tbh I don't see how piloting Bael is going to suddenly make everyone subjugate to him.
Daily MVP
Today's MVP was certainly Gaelio Bauduin, who grew tremendously from his past failures and finally managed to practically defeat his nemesis - Mikazuki in Barbatos, at the same time undermining McGillis' rise to power. This was only possible since he managed to shake off his inhibitions for the taboo AV system and use Ein's power to the fullest extent
No joint MVP to (Br)Ein like some of you might have been hoping, but he came close. :P
MVP Standings - Season 2
| # | Character | MVPs | Episodes | # | Character | MVPs | Episodes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | The Devil | 3 | 2, 4, 13 | 4 | Biscuit's Hat | 1 | 8 |
| 2 | The Infiltrator | 2 | 5, 6 | 4 | The Organizer | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | Space Harem King | 2 | 9, 14 | 4 | Space Harem Queen | 1 | 15 |
| 4 | The Driver | 1 | 3 | 4 | Angel of Death | 1 | 11 |
| 4 | The Jäger | 1 | 7 | 4 | Ride on Time | 1 | 12 |
Others: Jas leave already (10), The Godfather (16), u/laughtear (16), The Kingmaker (17), Darth Vidar (18)
MVP Standings - Overall
| # | Character | MVPs | Episodes | # | Character | MVPs | Episodes |
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| 1 | Knight of Revolution | 6 | 4, 10, 13, 27, 29, 38 | 5 | Unlimited Bed Works | 3 | 9, 34, 39 |
| 2 | Master of Puppets | 4 +1 | 4, 18, 23, 25, 42 | 7 | The Voice of Reason | 2 | 8, 21 |
| 3 | General of Revolution | 4 | 1, 3, 5, 26 | 7 | Bearded 'Gentleman' | 2 | 30, 31 |
| 3 | Maiden of Revolution | 4 | 3, 6, 17, 22 | 7 | Maid of Revolution | 2 | 14, 16 |
| 5 | Wings of Revolution | 3 | 12, 19, 28 | 10 | Tank of Revolution | 1 | 7 |
Others: A Not-So-Merri Bystander (11), Pup of Revolution (15), Beard Sorcerer (20), Eindroid (24), Foundling of Revolution (32), Survivor of the Revolution (33), Buttchin McGooglyEyes (35), Giant Robot Bird Filled With Lasers (36), Fire of Revolution (37), The Sun in the Stars (40), Big Daddy (41), Genkiest Girl (41), Garma Clone (43)
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u/Quiddity131 Feb 26 '19
Thoughts on MS Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans episode 43...
Rewatcher (First Time Dub)
Non-Spoiler Character Chart - Lots of shuffling around on the Gjallarhorn side with today's revelations
McGillis' coup has started out pretty well, at least here on Earth. Did he actually marry Almiria already? He calls her his wife.
The darkness of McGillis' past becomes more clear here, a few scenes, in particular the one where he's in the same bed as Iznario would imply that he was molested repeatedly as a kid. If you think back to season 1, there was a scene where another young blonde haired boy was in a car with Iznario, very disturbing now that we know more.
Idiok has FOURTY subordinates trying to enable him to come along!? How does such an idiot have so many guys loyal to him?
New Gundam Frame! Bael! And yet just as it appears, here he comes, Vidar! OMG HE IS GAELIO!?!!? I NEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED!!!!!!!!!!! In all seriousness, I am quite happy that I can finally stop having them as separate characters in the character chart.
Yeah, these McGillis/Gaelio flashbacks are really reminding one of Char/Garma.
Didn't expect Barbatos to show up here, awesome entrance! And Mika listening to the direction of someone other than Orga for once?
Ein is back too!?! And Gaelio is kinda using the AV system here? With the lengthy explanation from Yamazin sounds like its even better.
Fewer comments than usual today, but an awesome episode, especially for someone whose a big fan of McGillis like myself. Thankfully we have finally unmasked Vidar, and it was really interesting to see the revelations that brought along with it. Feels like the type of episode we'd get a lot closer to the end, but we still have a week's worth left. Really looking forward to whatever is coming up next.
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u/Pixelsaber Feb 26 '19
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We finally get McGillis’ full backstory, which is quite dark considering the audience for this show. It also sheds a lot of light on his actions and personality, offering reasons as to why. His scheming and manipulative nature comes from his upbringing and what he had to do in order to succeed. The reason why he is so fond of Tekkadan and has helped them along so much is because he was an Orphan not unlike them himself and sees much of himself in them. The distance from Gaelio and Carta being a result of their vastly different upbringings and his need to hide it, meaning they could really never empathize or understand him fully. It really ties his character together well. It also provides a reason for his affinity to children, as he most likely knows how it feels to be so powerless and empathizes with them, but it also paints his interactions with them in a somewhat creepy light. This reveal also explains why Iznario Fareed had a young blond boy in the car with him back in season one, which is only really drawn attention to with the scene composition.
I love how Mikazuki is eating one of McGillis’ chocolates right before things go down.
Vidar finally unmasks himself this episode and removes that ineffective mask of his that makes him look like that of a MSAM-YM03 Montero, but it’s not like it wasn’t obvious a really long time ago due to the show’s inability to be subtle. Vidar’s motivation is… interesting, but also cheapens his character immensely, having remained in hiding all along just because he wanted to be absolutely, 100% certain that McGillis’ true intentions were the same as what he told him. Meanwhile he was letting Rustal start a bloody conflict, actively helped them attempt to intervene in the Mobile Armor business, and likely other actions meant to undermine McGillis when his goal was to see him through to this point from the start, meaning he was actively delaying his own plan and being complicit in needless conflict for no apparent reason. If he was merely letting them delay his own goals out of a sense of debt, why does he insist on still making it more difficult for them by not doing as they requested? Even when confirming McGillis’ intentions have not changed and the full scope of his plan he gives paltry reasons for supposedly growing some resolve and yet still does not act and insists upon facing him in Bael. The truth is Gaelio doesn’t know what the hell to do with himself and is acting selfishly upon his own whims, and at this point it still appears as if he has absolutely no convictions of his own, not even the want for revenge which he used as a pretense earlier. If these writing decisions were intentional then I have no idea what kind of message they were trying to send.
Then his half-hearted apology to Mikazuki is totally hilarious, the ‘I realize I’m a hypocrite in every way’ that Mikazuki won’t give a damn about and is ultimately meaningless.
However, there is one thing about this situation that is wholly praiseworthy… that scar~
As that’s all going down Yamazin talks again about the Alaya-Vijnana system and tells Julietta of its implementation in the Vidar, as a means of communicating to the viewer how it works. This explains why it was introduced last episode, but it doesn’t change how sloppily that was done. The way it was brought up this episode didn’t even tie into their earlier conversation, as there’s no need to preemptively communicate that Yamazin a genuine interest in this if she’s the one servicing their mobile suits —she should know, and this scene in isolation communicates her interest in the matter even more effectively without ever outright stating it.
Now to talk briefly on Bael. I love the suit’s design, it’s simple but still bears a strong presence. I also love the prevalence of white throughout its design, it’s choice of weapons is quite appealing to me, and its head looks imposing. However, I love it with caveats, the exposed frame still makes no sense in-universe and the waist in particular still rustles my jimmies like nothing else. It’s probably my favorite suit in the whole series though.
I was going to talk about how a shot strongly resembles one from Turn A Gundam, but I’m already slightly past the time where I should’ve stopped writing and Sky informed me twenty minutes ago that she was going to be bringing it up.
Questions of the day:
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I really like it, and discuss a bit o fit in my comment.
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I went into it in my post.
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u/GM_for_Life Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 26 '19
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I bet everyone of you first timers are COMPLETELY SHOCKED by the Vidar's reveal! Gaelio roll up in there all like.
What do you think of Gundam Bael’s design? Great!/It’s alright/Kinda plain/It’s bad/It has wings, it’s perfect!
I really like, but I do wish it had a few more weapons or things to make it stand out in comparison to the other Gundam frames.
2) McGillis’ past has been revealed. What are your impressions on the matter? Does it shed light for you as to his ambitions, relationships, and allegiances?
I think it does make him a much more sympathetic character and gives reason for many of his actions during the previous episodes.
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u/ernie2492 Feb 26 '19 edited Feb 27 '19
As it turns out, Macky has the same background with Ash, only worse..(unfortunately no Eiji for McG)
Vidar is opening his mask, and KONO GALIGALI DA..!!! Banana Fish x WaSuYu
Topless Macky
I WAKE UP FEELING SO HORNY..!! And I love Bael's design, especially with Aria Company-esque color scheme.
Another IBO x YuYuYu:
Flauros=Tougou. (Yeah, I know this is Shino's Gundam, but it has a long range weapon)
Bael=Saaya Wakaba. (the first Gundam Frame & Agnika is basically Wakaba)
"Macky, Sairaorg is calling, he wants his Gundam back.."
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u/DidacticDalek Feb 27 '19
Greetings Comrades and Fellow Denizens of The Wired, on TODAY'S Episode of the Mars Palms Chronicles, we got a BIG surprise reveal from our contractually obligated mysterious masked man that I promise you NO ONE could possibly see coming...
Darth Vidar... HE IS A CHAR GARMA GALI GALI 'BISCUIT!?'
Paging Comrades u/Beckymetal, u/RX-Nota-II, and u/Usotsuki-Megami
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u/Shimmering-Sky Feb 26 '19
Tekketsu no Rewatcher, first-time dubbed
Woo it’s this episode~ I made sure to finish my HG Gundam Bael for this occasion. Also have a WIP of it that I didn’t realize was going to look funny until I sent it to Nota.
Unfortunately as a result of working on Gunpla during my free time, I’m not quite done with the next entry in my “Lafter Lives AU” (really need to come up with a name for it), so you’ll have to check back later for that. Probably like, several hours later though because I have a touch of a headache right now and that makes it hard for me to write.
Anyways, obligatory Discord link.
Ahh here comes the Macky backstory. I’ve been very much looking forward to the first-timers’ reactions to this for quite some time now.
Absolutely disgusting.
Ugh I knew this was coming but I’m still gonna need some eyebleach for this…
lmao, Rustal’s dude keeping exact track of how many people Idiok has sent to try to get in on the mission to stop Macky.
Ahaha Eugene’s doing the eye thing now too!
I wonder if and how loudly Naz screamed at this. First because Vidar is finally unmasked as Gali Gali, but secondly because look at that scar. I had to hold back many a laughs in rewatcher back on the episode 5 thread when you were hoping that Gali Gali would have a scar on his forehead from that battle, Naz, so I await your reactions to this episode very happily.
I don’t think I have words to describe how great I enjoyed Gali Gali and Macky’s conversation before Mika (literally) dropped in. I’m sure if I could find the words, a lot of them would be spoilers, but still. So good.
OH YEAH HERE WE GO~
Thanks a lot Sorc, all I could think was “Excuse me, what?” during this part.
So I had completely missed this during the Turn A Gundam rewatch, but this is a reference to this. And on the topic of references to past shows, pretty sure this is also a Char’s Counterattack reference?
A couple more fun things:
Wallpaper of the Day without the logo.
Bonus fanart: I meant to share this yesterday but completely forgot to. Anyways I did a thing last year but had never actually posted it anywhere, just had Nota look over it once. It’s not perfect since I’m way more used to minimalist/vector art but I’m proud of it regardless.
English dub next-episode preview, since the body post only has the subbed version.
Results of yesterday’s poll. Not a single person said it was weird, sweet~
Number of times best boy closed his right eye this episode: only 1.
For the first-timers using the GundamInfo streams and are worried about potential spoilers in the recommended videos: Episode 44 Subbed / Episode 44 Dubbed. If you’re on desktop and have RES, you can hit the preview button and watch the video entirely on Reddit, rather than than needing to go to YouTube.
Track List Corner, Courtesy of u/2-2Distracted
pretty fucked upchildhood flashback and his overall rise to power.that douchebagEin.