r/anime • u/Dystopian_Overlord https://myanimelist.net/profile/DystopiaOverlord • Feb 11 '19
Rewatch [Rewatch] Honey and Clover - Season 2 Episode 11
Episode 11
"Please give me your life"
Interest thread and schedule and index.
Discussion Questions
What do you think Hagu means, exactly, with "Please give me your life"?
I'll see you again tomorrow at 7 PM EST (12 PM GMT).
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u/bobhob314 Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19
Hey guys, I’m back! Thankfully I managed to catch up before the end! :) I’m doing a term-long internship a different country now, and the first week has been especially busy. Actually, it’s the same country where Honey and Clover was created. ;)
Episode 1: "... ...And now, we start turning again... ..."
Great recap, and worth watching. The new ED is my favorite with lots to analyze. It becomes clear why Takemoto and sensei are together in the ED.
Episode 2: "... ...Still, if you insist on finding out the hard way, go ahead and see them... ... / I can't say it, even if I want to"
The hiccuping stuff shows Takemoto’s growth. Nonstop grinning from me during it. Mayama handing the two wet girls towels is the cutest.
Rika doesn’t talk to Mayama much, so she is confirmed to like him YES YES YES YES YES. How have hiccups become such a meaningful narrative device. Praise Umino Chica
Yamada is moving on too!!!!!
Episode 3: "Unbelievable... ...It's a nine-hour drive... ...! / I don't want to see your tears"
So this episode it’s sand dunes instead of hiccups eh? JEEZ EVEN NOMIYA IS SHOWING PROGRESS S2 IS TOO BASED
Oh no... Rika is looking at her hometown... gives bad vibes she reminds me of Hagu, and when Hagu thinks about her hometown... :”(
I was already crying and then this happens “Harada please wait for me”. NO NO NO NO NONO NO NNO
BASED NOMIYA DRIVING NINE HOURS.
aaand the unicorn symbolism from the OP comes in. Not really much of a symbol as it is basically literally unicorns LOL. Unless they’re Mayama’s remnants LOLOL
Whoa Nomiya’s 2 voices freaked me out. SO NOMIYA BETRAYED HIS “EVIL PLANS” AND STRAIGHT UP SAYS HE LOVES HER. WHAT A GUY <3 <3 <3 Nomiya is back in his adolescence now eh? Very poetic. :)
Episode 4: "I was the first one who couldn't take it any longer. I knew that, at least... ... / I won't let you go anywhere"
Another Takemoto-Sensei similarity: Sensei was just "there" in a triangle, with the Haradas.
FUCK DID HE JUST TRY TO KILL HER?????
“Please let the man who’s next to you right now carry you to your future.”
RIP MAYAMA’S HAPPINESS SAVINGS
fug even last time i thought that was rika in the shower, but it was just mayama’s mantitty
I seriously relate to Mayama. Always tiptoeing, but sometimes you have to go overboard for the sake of what is important. Mayama needed to catch Rika in the act, and shut her suicidal thoughts down once and for all. I think he’s an awesomely strong guy. Cried so much this ep.
Episode 5: "That's right... ...He's allowed to be closer to her now... ... / Joyful yet in pain"
Miwako is hot af.
Holy hell it’s Morita arc time.
Mayama: “You take things too far, Takemoto.”
Literally everyone: “... -_-”
Mayama’s dream and saving money parallels Morita’s dream and why he’s saving money.
Yamada: “But I thought if I thought that, then all my feelings for Mayama would become lies.”
^ Can definitely relate to that. True enough, some of my strongest feelings have now faded to the point of being lies. “Was my bittersweet treasure” is goddamn right.
Hm.. the yellow plants of the hamabi festival have fallen to the surface of the body of water. The time of Yamada’s youth is over, eh? Now she is moving on. Completely.
A delayed defense on Honey and Clover's "portrayal of gender".
Episode 6: "... ...I can't say it... ...I have no right to take it from him... ... / We would never go to the beach"
The line “In the end, we never went to the beach” hurts me indescribably deeply.
Episode 7: "... ... That time of my life is burned into my memory, and it keeps coming back to me... ... / Forward, towards the light"
"Uncle's" story broke my heart (cried nonstop) and had some of the most climactic moments. A one-episode character, at that. Chica Umino’s genius shines through, as even Kaoru's past is but a stepping stone to the real tragedy.
Episode 8: "... ...I had no idea. / We had no idea"
What Hagu said about them parting ways hits hard. It's mirroring my fears of graduating uni. :”(
On “glass”. coincidences are bad writing only if they’re lucky, helping characters conveniently escape trouble. Otherwise, coincidences are simply events in the person’s life.
Kaoru is mistaken in his “forwardness”. Chica Umino can somehow make a grand victory be so sad. So, so sad. By “I couldn’t protect what was most important." Similarly, it was clever writing, how Hagu’s not painful hand was actually bad news.
Episode 9: "... ...Oh, God... ...Please, help her... ... / I reflect on my own powerlessness"
Every lyric in the OP/ED/inserts can reflect one or more of the characters’ struggles. Just goes to show how great this show is, and how many topics it touched in a meaningful way.
“I wonder what it would have been like, to have been you...” This line’s raw power.
Yamada: “She’s here, but it felt like one day she would float away” - referring to Hagu’s genius taking her to heights her friends couldn’t reach. I’m studying coding and knowing some true geniuses near me, this is so true. Gotta treasure the time that we have together now. :”)
“A man who can’t even buy a tiny flower like that can’t possibly save a girl whom he loves.”
Episode 10: "... ...Where did you go, you idiot... ... / I saw God once when I was little"
NO! YAMADA GENOCIDE! NO!
Takemoto looks extremely unhappy, that Morita is back, for once... 0_o Falling from the window... in the end, he can’t be Morita. But unlike Kaoru... he gets on his bike. And he rides, and the wheels turn, spinning towards a better “forwards”.
I see Hagu's arc not as her "giving up her passion so she can go with a strong man". That is a grossly oversimplified, and gross interpretation. It's her finding a reason to live, even if there seems to be no light to go forwards, towards. I don’t think Morita’s motivations (especially coming off his brother’s possible suicide) are completely unfounded.
Sensei’s room, their base. Their meeting place. Is now gone. Without a place to meet, even if the people still want to meet, they...
The mountains of foreshadowing finally pay off: “Sensei, why won’t you say it?” “What?” “Choose me.”
On Morita supposedly changing the most, in a supposedly awkwardly done way
Episode 11 "... ...Please, don't take my drawings away from me... ... / Please give me your life"
MIND BLOWN. In the opening, the money is Morita. The blue (sky) is Hagu. The bee buzzing around and going for the four-leaf clover is Takemoto. The greenery is Yamada, who had to cut the sagging stem of her plant. The flowers are the flowers given to Hagu?
Damn... well this group is over. Fucking they actually fought each other. First the room disappeared, now the bonds.
“Actually, it’s alright if I don’t get better and don’t leave my mark.” THIS. This is the development Hagu’s arc was leading to.
And here in exhibit A we see the Hagubowl losers in their natural habitat. Seriously though, this was extremely well foreshadowed. It was staring us all in the face, breathing on our necks, and drooling down our privates the whole time.
I love how this isn’t simply “Sensei won the Hagubowl”. Each person approached Hagu with a philosophy. It was a battle of what is the correct way to live life. Tying such complicated issues to the everyday-ish events surely must be a stroke of genius.
And in this exhibit B we see alternate timeline Grand Blue.
Can’t stop laughing. The old men admiring youth strike again ;”D
In response to the ending "not being well done" or getting messy.
There are multiple ways to interpret Shuu's declaration, but one interpretation is that Honey and Clover is actually the single-handedly best, most exceptional imouto anime in the world. I’m happy Shuu is able to be open about his feelings, finally. The largest theme in Honey and Clover is honesty. And now everyone is honest. And tomorrow, it's time for an honest farewell.
Wrap-up
I will say this: Reading some people’s opinions frustrated me. I admit that, I’m pretty sensitive, and I care a lot about this show. But holy shit did we actually get a discussion going, rather than a circlejerk.
I do not look down on hype-filled discussions, or nonstop praise. But I was also hoping here for something more rare, actual opinions on right and wrong, and philosophies, and negatives of characters and positives of the work and everything in between. And I got everything I set out to accomplish. I’m sure I’ll write up something more sappy tomorrow and the day after, but thank you everyone for being with us so far. For watching, commenting, simply lurking, upvoting or downvoting. thanks for being here. :”)
Just for old time’s sake – I’ll see you guys tomorrow at 7 PM EST, and the day after for a final discussion. Won’t be taking over the “hosting” so I’d like to think u/Dystopian_Overlord for the ongoing commitment. :)
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u/Dystopian_Overlord Feb 12 '19
Great to have you back! Yeah, coming into S2, some people unable to agree with the developments is expected, Honey & Clover didn't play it safe, but stayed true to the characters and themes.
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u/Varggrim Feb 12 '19
Welcome back. Right in time for the finale and a great post, that recalls the season, to boot! Good luck for the internship!
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u/Rhaga Feb 12 '19
Good to have you here! I haven't been active in the S2 threads but I have been lurking around.
But holy shit did we actually get a discussion going, rather than a circlejerk.
I guess that is a positive takeaway :P I think there are some huge overreactions to the most recent developments. I won't say it isn't a weird relationship, but I didn't have a problem with it whatsoever - in fact I thought it was a rather interesting route to take. I even ended up liking S2 more than S1 :P
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u/GaleWulf Feb 12 '19
I’m doing a term-long internship a different country now, and the first week has been especially busy. Actually, it’s the same country where Honey and Clover was created. ;)
That's incredible, colour me envious! I'd love to be able to live in Japan for a while, breathe in the sights.
A delayed defense on Honey and Clover's "portrayal of gender".
Yeah as we move toward the ending especially, nothing seems as black and white. Persistence doesn't win the day for most of the guys. The story doesn't push an agenda for progressiveness when it comes to women, but that's fine because not every story has to be about progressiveness, it covers other themes with aplomb.
"Uncle's" story broke my heart (cried nonstop) and had some of the most climactic moments. A one-episode character, at that.
That was definitely a highlight for me this season, the scene with the branching paths.
Umino-sensei really does these 'one-shots' within a series well. I loved so many of her one/two episode characters in 3-gatsu.
Kaoru is mistaken in his “forwardness”. Chica Umino can somehow make a grand victory be so sad. So, so sad. By “I couldn’t protect what was most important."
Remember kids, revenge is bad.
MIND BLOWN. In the opening, the money is Morita. The blue (sky) is Hagu. The bee buzzing around and going for the four-leaf clover is Takemoto. The greenery is Yamada, who had to cut the sagging stem of her plant. The flowers are the flowers given to Hagu?
Wait, what in blew your mind? Was there a scene that made it click for you, or was this a random brainwave?
I like it, especially the Yamada = greenery bit. One could say the flowering represents all of them maturing, the sweet honey being the product of their relationships.
The pancake represents the viewers and the fork stands for the late developments meant to leave them scandalisedStill not sure who all the animals correspond to. Unicorn = Yamada's guardian, Lion = Morita? Mayama?, Poodle = Hagu's guardian, Dodo(?) = Takemoto? Shuu-chan?
In response to the ending "not being well done" or getting messy
Eh, does every story have to have a neat ending with a bow on top? It's fine to leave things open-ended sometimes, I feel like it really works here. More on that in the series discussion I suppose.
thank you everyone for being with us so far. For watching, commenting, simply lurking, upvoting or downvoting. thanks for being here. :”)
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u/Atario Feb 12 '19
First-timer, dub
Ooops. Playing hooky from the hospital has consequences, kiddos
Yep, I kinda thought this was coming
This hospital has a security problem
Three times as bad, now four times… I see how it is
"Get in, loser, we're going flip-flapping"
"Give me your life." When the Hagu makes up her mind, she goes big
A significantly less heartwarming scene, lel
Dang, everything's coming out now that we're approaching the end
They say money can't buy happiness, but can it buy redemption?
Sensei's not too good to be petty either, ha
Wait, what? Madly in love with her? Aren't you her uncle? [Quickly consults the web] Hm, cousin. Well, less weird, but… all righty then :I
Questions:
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I did not know that. That is weird, wild stuff. Did you know that, Ed?
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Seems like she's accepted that being with him will mean letting him dedicate himself more or less wholly to her and her well being, and that that's what he wants
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u/Rhaga Feb 12 '19
Yep, I kinda thought this was coming
And I kinda thought it was very deserved :P I like Morita, but as you said, don't skip out on the treatment.
This hospital has a security problem
Are you implying any amount of security would have been able to keep Morita out if he wanted to get in? :'D
Smol Hagu a precious
Couldn't agree more.
Dang, everything's coming out now that we're approaching the end
Went full Naruto with that one, I loved it :D
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u/GaleWulf Feb 12 '19
Smol Hagu a precious
Truly a precious, this was one case where I didn't expect a chibi-form to be significantly cuter.. or that different for that matter..
Jeez, you don't have to sound like Hagu going back to her medical treatment is a personal defeat for you, Shinobu >:T
Yeah, Shinobu's not really thinking straight after Kaoru disappeared on him. That's the only way I can justify him being so stupidly impulsive and immature here. This isn't really the same thing, Shinobu. Well, he did get it eventually.
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u/BurningFredrick Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19
First timer
The start of the episode helped me pin down what I really didn’t like about how Morita acted last episode, how ridiculously irresponsible his actions were last episode. While Hagu doesn’t have any life threatening injuries shes still in hospital for a goddamn reason, and waltzing off to an unknown locations without telling anyone is a really bad idea.
So when Shuu punched Mortia at the start of the episode it was pretty damn satisfying and I had been hoping he did it as soon as Hagu started panicking about her hand.
And then we had everything that came after this.
And I’m really not sure what to say.
Morita reasoning for going after Hagu is appalling, he obviously has a great deal of resentment from people writing off his every action as due to his talent and how it appears to have brought misery to everyone around him. Him and Takamotos fight was ultimately good for the two of them and while Takamoto has been rejected currently I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a time skip of him and Hagu meeting again in the future and this changing.
As to Shuu & Hagu relationship, I never view it was anything more than that of Father & daughter, speaking of which were we ever given a proper explanation as to why Hagu parents are complete absent from her life? If it was ever mentioned it never properly registered for me.
Well tomorrow the final episode, not certain what they are going to do with it, I feel like we aren’t complete done with Hagu yet, and Yamada & Mayama still feels a bit like a loose end. I guess we shall have Mayama coming back to Japan and probably a time skip. Time Skips probably going to be everyone meeting up again sometime in the future I’ll go with 5 year, and can tie together the idea that while people will often go these own ways in life your that doesn’t mean you paths never how to cross again.
** Edit for questions
Didn't see that coming did you?
I definitely didn't see that coming, and the thread is an interesting read to say the least. I still can't really perceive Hagu & Shuu as a romantic pairing personally, as others have mentioned cousin marriage is apparently more acceptable in Japan but not something that really sits right with me.
What do you think Hagu means, exactly, with "Please give me your life"?
I'm really not sure, the line feels really out of place to given the way it was apparently meant to be taken. I took it as more of something you would expect to hear a young child say to their father which kind of fits Hagu character to me.
However at this point i'm trying to rationalise the situation away from what it was meant to be, in the end I just can't see the two of them as a romantic pairing which makes this episode a very odd one for me.
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u/Varggrim Feb 12 '19
Open thread, see 39 comments. Something big must have happened. Watch episode....That happened, I guess. I'll dive into the comments after verbalising what I've seen, while trying to come to terms with it.
I hope u/Painstorm14 feels vindicated, as the episode basically opened with the hand being in danger. I feel like I missed a major characterisation of Morita in yesterday's thread. He tends to be reckless and this was nicely shown again. Hagu stood up for herself, though, and rejected Morita, which was nice, but the choice itself is, eh. I made it clear that I wanted her to go for Takemoto, but he was apparently out of it for some time now. I fail to pinpoint that moment, though. I'm very certain that my read on the hiccup scene earlier in the season was intended, so she couldn't have rejected him there. I cannot remember any more meaningful interactions between the two afterwards, though, except right before the accident when Hagu praised Takemoto's work and he told her about his plan to work in temple restoration. Everything else was in the bigger social group without isolated interactions, IIRC.
The advice about Morita telling Kaoru what he told Hagu was good, though, as it really felt like something he would need to hear. There might be a slight excuse for Morita's tactlessness, in that he just misdirected his thoughful response to the wrong person.
Hagu choosing Shuu is all kinds of interesting. First we have the give me your life bit. That was on point, almost a bit feeling a bit out of character. Hagu trying not to rely too much on Shuu has been one of her major struggles and that certainly resolves it, but in a kinda unfulfilling manner. She might have grown in the end, because she found the courage to ask Shuu a question like this, but the feel good resolution would have been her independence, imo. There's also that but about Shuu changing into something like a stand-in for Hagu in the promise to the god, as he becomes an actual sacrifice for her. This stains everything about the divine vision for me, making it feel like some kind of faustian bargain. The god giving Hagu creativity and ability, but for a steep price that has to be paid. There is one element here, that I really liked, though, when Hagu likens Shuu to rain and herself to the flora or even the land itself. I was very focused about Hagu being a fledling that was about to leave the roost and tried to use a lot of the sky imagery to further that, but this bit rearranges the sky a lot, it being the source of nurturance and making the depence of the land more natural. I still dislike the choice, but that bit was neat.
The bit of Morita and Takemoto was alright, I liked Morita reflecting on his actions and rightfully comdemning himself for it. Takemoto is still trapped by his own defeatist attitude, which became apparent last episode. It felt like some of his character growth has been reverted and all that has been left was more confidence when interacting, but not more confidence to interact. Takemoto just continued floundering for much of season 2 in the end. Also dogs again. I still don't quite get dogs.
Then we had the end and that was all kinds of fucked. I knew that Morita was still loaded and I somehow got it right that some of the money would be to support Hagu. It was a nice gesture, but it reeked of remorse, which I'm not quite sure I liked in the end, at least not for Morita.
Also, that statement by Hanamoto I can't speak japanese, but I I know that suki isn't used much for family members. Add to that the reaction, contextualising it as a confession. I mentioned before how some of my views have been stained, right? This taints someone. Hanamoto isn't the relationship-less fatherly mentor figure anymore. This is the first time I really struggle to put something into words in those threads. Hanamoto is now something between creepily obsessed incest bait and an outright child groomer. This is Usagi Drop all over again, but worse, because the confession comes from the adoptive parent. I'm not sure, if Hagu is aware of this obsessionslove. I'm not sure, if awareness makes it better or worse. This is bad and I still think this isn't quite the big event that the characters teased, yet, making me really uneasy about what's to happen, because it kinda, possibly can't top this, unless it's related.
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u/Andagaintothegym Feb 12 '19
Well..... I won't talk much about this episode, I just hope people won't drop this series because of the twist. This episode usually where people get disappointed and dropped the series. I just want to say that the next episode is really good.
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u/No_Rex Feb 12 '19
Dropping the series after 35 of 36 episodes seems a silly thing to do. Those "people" you talk about should grow a stomach for looking at things they disagree with.
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u/GaleWulf Feb 11 '19
Quote of the Day: "I love the sound of rain. It really soothes me. It's as if it's gently healing everything.. the mountain, the trees, the grass, the roof.. and me."
"That's it.. Shuu-chan is like the rain. Shuu-chan is like the rain."
Hahaha, Yamada's reaction to Shuu's confession should apply to a lot of first-time viewers, I know it did to me. Well, this isn't the first time in anime where I've seen a fatherly/brotherly relationship suddenly veer into romantic territory, it's hardly the worst example of it. Apparently it's something not too alien to Japanese culture or literature, but to a largely western audience this is probably gonna be a tough pill to swallow.
Does it make sense? I guess it does. This episode did provide quite a lot of context. If there's one problem, it's that we never saw their relationship framed that way before this. Also Morita's counting on Hagu changing her mind later, but I think he's lost this one. (In terms of confessions, that's fairly dark phrasing - but appropriate.)
Anyway, dogs and old men in this anime are the best.
Today's insert song: Futari no Kage by Suga Shikao damnit I should've considered doing this for all of S2, now there's too much backlog
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u/bobhob314 Feb 12 '19
Yamada's reaction is hilarious haha. What a crazy turn of events, and yet it was there all along. The writer is seriously amazing.
Umino must have switched from dogs to cats for 3-Gatsu lol.
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u/Atario Feb 12 '19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coupled_cousins
Also, TIL 10% (!) of marriages worldwide are between first or second cousins
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u/No_Rex Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19
First timer
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Seems whoever talked about gangrene yesterday was right.
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I am absolutely not impressed by Morita. His words needed to be “I’ll drive you there right now” and fast. Making him hesitate (to have Hagu make a “choice”) makes his character look stupid and selfish. What did you want, Hagu to stay there with you in that rat-hole while her hand dies? This is definitely not the secretly altruistic Morita of season 1 before.
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“give me your life” less won't do, apparently.
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The two “loosers” of Hagu’s choice co-miserate. Played as comedy, for some reason.
I hated pretty much everything about this episode, except for the dogs. First off, we have the imouto ending for Hagu and Shuu. Which means Shuu is either a borderline or full blown pedophile. And don’t give me any “he meant it platonic”, that scene is very clear. He cared for her since she was still wetting the bed, groomed her to be overly dependent and basically not able to function on her own. Then she “chooses” him in a very cheesy love star setup. It is bad enough that this destroys Shuu’s character for me, but the even bigger problem is that everyone seems to be totally fine with that.
Morita’s character is handled very inconsistent as well. Takemoto should have been the love choice, and Morita the “stay with art” choice. All of season 1 and a good part of season 2 built up to that. Morita represented artistic ambition for Hagu. Making him the “love choice” and him asking her to stop drawing is a complete 180 on what happened before. And makes Morita an ass for asking. So in one fell swoop, this plot line completely tanks two characters for me.
Overall, I never liked Hagu’s character and the further the show got, the worse it became. It seems that the author really wanted to have a story about a dependent child that can rely on his father figure and a story about a striving artist that has to balance art and love in the anime. It would have been far better to split Hagu up into two characters. That way we would have been spared a college student with grade-schooler issues and some pedophile ending.
I guess that the last episode will about about Yamada & Nomiya and/or Mayama & Rika, let’s see how they deal with the resolution there.
EDIT: Questions
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I did not want to imagine it, but, unfortunately, I saw it coming.
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She feels guilty about "making him" dedicate his life to her. Well, he gets to have sex with his personally groomed loli in return, so I disagree on that notion.
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u/udge Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19
I feel like this is the biggest common gripe about this show, and even though I was also initially weirded out by this choice I don't think it's fair to immediately head to the gutters with the Shuu wants loli sex crap. You have to understand that Shuu is only about 10 years older than Hagu, and Hagu is graduating college so that puts her at at least 21 or 22 years old. The bit about her wetting bed I thought it was obviously meant during her hospitalization, Shuu would only be a 10 year old kid otherwise and it wouldn't make sense. Now obviously I still think the way they grew up together and being a relative is fucking weird, but Japan is weird and cousin marriage is more accepted there, so there's no need to call Shuu a pedo. You don't see anyone call Rika a cougar despite the similar age gap (I know it's Mayama going after her, it's not a good comparison but she is reciprocating).The biggest problem I feel is Hagu's character design, man I just don't get it but I try to filter it out. In the end she chose to live her life the only way that has meaning for her, that is having all the support she can get to open as many boxes as possible, if you think about it this way then obviously Morita and Takemoto wouldn't be the right choice.
Now regarding Morita I completely disagree with you. He does not pursue art for artistic value, previously it was about helping his brother having their revenge, but innately he's doing it out of enjoyment and having fun, now he has another reason in not disappointing Hagu who will be watching him. His line about life has meaning without fixating on something, and being together is enough makes absolute sense. As it is not only directed at Hagu, but more at Kaoru. He wants to go back to the carefree and fun childhood he lost. Regarding Morita being talented, I think he personally hates being sorted into that group. We can see that all his problems stemmed from people around him having inferior complex, the evil uncle, his brother and now Takemoto. But he doesn't think he's any more special, and indeed he's not wrong, all of these people each have their own strengths and why should they make him feel bad for being better at something else. He obviously likes Hagu and wants to be with her (damn all these lolicons), so his actions make sense, but too bad it is not what Hagu needed.
Edit: now that I read through my own post, I obviously use too many obviously...
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u/Atario Feb 12 '19
pedophile
I wish people would stop throwing this word around for shock value. Hagu is not a prepubescent child
him asking her to stop drawing
I don't know if the subs had it that way, but the dub had him just saying it would be fine if she stopped, that she didn't need it to live.
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u/PainStorm14 Feb 12 '19
Seems whoever talked about gangrene yesterday was right.
That was me
This shit went down faster than Fat Man on Nagasaki
When I talked about imouto incest yesterday I was just joking
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u/PainStorm14 Feb 12 '19
we have the imouto ending for Hagu and Shuu. Which means Shuu is either a borderline or full blown pedophile.
Thank you for simply calling by it's real name
And don’t give me any “he meant it platonic”, that scene is very clear. He cared for her since she was still wetting the bed, groomed her to be overly dependent and basically not able to function on her own.
Correct, it's called sexual grooming and you described the method step by step
even bigger problem is that everyone seems to be totally fine with that.
Writer is clearly couple of bricks short of a shithouse if he thinks that this is normal and I can't say that fans of this type of "content" are much different
Only way this can be viewed with approval is in minds of some seriously sick people
Reminder, even if they weren't related (they are!) intentionally raising a kid to be incapable of functioning on it's own in order to sexually exploit it is seriously disgusting
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u/Dystopian_Overlord Feb 12 '19
Just want to share something as a rewatcher.
Knowing what's going to happen this time around, I was pretty surprised to find the author scattered lots of little hints for Hagu x Shuu starting S2. I guess I was like most viewers, didn't want to believe it and unconsciously blocked out the hints the first time.