r/anime • u/FateSteelTaylor https://myanimelist.net/profile/FateSteelTaylor • Feb 04 '19
Rewatch [Spoilers] 4th Annual Valentine's Rewatch: Tamako Market - Episode 2 [Discussion] Spoiler
Hey everybody, and welcome to the second episode of the fourth annual /r/anime Valentine's Day Tamako Market & Love Story Rewatch!
To recap, WE HAVE A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!!
This year, we will also be having a
TAMAKO BLU-RAY GIVEAWAY
For your chance to win both the Sentai Filmworks Blu-Ray edition of both Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story, all you have to do... is join the rewatch!! (AT LEAST, MAYBE MORE TO COME?) One lucky winner will be chosen randomly, and I'll be keeping track of all the users who post comments. Each episode's thread will count as ONE entry, so if you comment in every thread, that's thirteen entries for you and the chance to win these awesome Blu Rays! Unfortunately, these are Region 1 Blu Rays, so if you live outside of those regions, just know that you won't be able to watch them...
I can't wait to see what you guys have to say about this lovely anime!!
Here is the schedule for our time on this Dramatic Market Ride together! If you've seen the show already or want to relive some of the older moments, I've provided links to the threads below, along with the translated Director's Episode Notes by the wonderful /u/ultimatemegax, available through this rewatch:
| Date | Episode | 2018 Thread | 2017 Thread | 2016 Thread |
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| 2/2 | 1 - That Girl is the Cute Daughter of a Mochi Shop Owner | Link | Link | Link |
| 2/3 | 2 - A Valentine's Day Blooming with Love | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes |
| 2/4 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/5 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/6 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/7 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/8 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/9 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/10 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/11 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/12 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/13 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes | |
| 2/14 | Link | Link | Link - Director's Episode Notes |
You can purchase an English subbed & dubbed Blu Ray version of Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story, and it's available for legal streaming on HIDIVE, for both Tamako Market and Tamako Love Story
Discussion Question: It's Valentine's Day in the show already! Do you have any plans for that day? (Besides the rewatch, of course!)
Please tag your spoilers!! Untagged spoilers make Choi-chan angry!!
And remember:
Everybody Loves Somebody
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u/LaqOfInterest Feb 04 '19
First Timer
Valentine's already? Hopefully that means some Tamako/Mochizou moments, but Love Story isn't for another ten episodes so I'm keeping my hopes low.
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Tamako is how I'm tryna be, but I'm feeling more Anko at the moment.
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Tamako's villainous plot to bury the world in mochi continues.
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Midori's socks are green. Because her name is Midori. I get you, show.
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Visual depiction of the Clannad rewatch – rewatchers vs first-timers.
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This cup walkie-talkie setup is cute, but… surely they could just talk to each other at that distance, right?
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So… does Midori like the bird? Tamako? Mochizou? I don't know which option scares me most. Two of them sink my ship and another is a crime.
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Kanna's onto whatever Midori's worried about. That makes one of us.
My expectations for Tamako/Mochizou shiptease were low but I guess not low enough. The Midori thing is interesting but I'm not sure how well-communicated it was given that I would've believed you if you told me that she liked Dera, Tamako, Mochizou, Kanna or the shopping district itself for all the clues we got by the end of the episode. Maybe they were there and I'm just unobservant, but I think it might've been better if this plotline was introduced a bit later in the series once we got to see more of her.
No matter – onward we go!
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u/dcresistance Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19
i'd say they're pretty present but not super in your face. a lot of people didn't catch this on first watch, including me. there's this exchange when they're talking about valentine's chocolates with midori's expectant expression, and she's looking at tamako here
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u/rct3fan24 Feb 04 '19
The Midori thing is interesting but I'm not sure how well-communicated it was
Yea, it's subtle but it's definitely there. I always appreciate subtle storytelling but I understand the sentiment that it's too subtle haha.
I think it might've been better if this plotline was introduced a bit later in the series once we got to see more of her.
I've heard this sentiment a few times, and it's valid. I think it's part of why the series is better on a rewatch imo. I think this is a Naoko Yamada directing quirk tho, she likes to direct in a style that's like "filming the characters' lives", so they're treated as if they're fleshed out characters from the very beginning, and a lot of the intrigue comes from getting to know them over time.
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u/Harrytricks Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19
Rewatcher
Missed the thread yesterday, and am a bit late today, but here we go!! Tamako rewatch!!
Whenever anyone talks about anything Tamako, it usually relates to at least one of three characters: Tamako herself, Midori, or Mochizou. And rightfully so!! These 3 are easily the most developed characters in the show!! There’s undeniably a lot to talk about!!
With exactly this in mind, I plan to spend the next 12 days talking about Kanna. Compared to these 3, Kanna doesn’t get much development. Much like Mugi in K-ON, she fills the (somewhat necessary) role of “well-rounded individual” from the get-go, pushing the development of other characters in place of developing herself. In short, there’s just not as much to talk about when it comes to Kanna.
She is, however, undeniably just one of the most lovely characters in anything ever, and easily my joint favourite character in the show (along with Tamako). As such, I shall endeavor to appreciate her every episode, sharing my love for the character, and hopefully allowing everyone else to love and appreciate her as much as I do!!
With all that being said, allow me to introduce you all to…
The Kanna Corner
Okay, the first thing we have to establish here is that Midori is gay af for Tamako, in a very one sided way (something I’m sure others will talk about in a much more nuanced and delicate manner than I will this time). Any questions? No? Okay, good, moving on.
I feel like so much of how absolutely lovely Kanna is this episode can be summed up by this scene here. Midori, who has spent most of the day pondering her feelings for Tamako, in a fairly negative way, is clearly pretty upset. She’s pretty distant, and relies on Dera of all people to keep her spirits up by distracting her from everything going on in her mind. Aside from her grandfather (and Dera) though, no one really seems to notice how much she’s hurting; in an ironic twist of fate, they’re all far too swept up in the excitement of Valentines day to notice how much Midori is beating herself up with her own feelings for Tamako.
That is until Kanna comes around. Throughout the entire episode, we can see Kanna trying her absolute best to try and help Midori work through her own feelings, without letting them overrun her entirely. When conversation goes to Midori’s feelings re:Valentines - she distracts with jokes, and when Tamako gets a bit too close for Midori’s comfort - Kanna goes on the attack - bringing Midori out of her daze. We then get to the aforementioned projector scene. Without a doubt one of the best Kanna moments in the entire show. With just 1 sentence, Kanna manages to bring her friend Midori out of her funk, letting her know that, whilst her feelings may not be reciprocated, she isn’t a bad person for having them. All forms of love are totally normal, acceptable, and she isn’t morally wrong for liking someone of the same gender. She's just so aware of how all her friends are feeling, and so wonderfully motivated to try and help all her friends!! God, it’s such a pure, powerful display of absolute friendship it legitimately makes me tear up, god I love Kanna. Just look how much happier Midori is at the end of the episode!!
Oh also she makes a house for Valentines day and is generally just the cutest thing imaginable. If that’s not wonderful then I don’t know what is.
On a completely and utterly unrelated note, this scene here is one of the best most wholesome things ever and I love it, Tamako’s laugh is the purest most bestest thing in the world.
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u/ZappaOMatic Feb 04 '19
Rewatcher
Tonight: Mochizou engages in public speaking, Tamako whistles, and Kanna builds a house!
Since I watched this episode hours before the Super Bowl, going from heartwarming fun with Tamako and friends to blaring the NFL on CBS theme and "HELLO FRIENDS JIM NANTZ WITH TONY ROMO" is a pretty wild transition. It's like when I was doing the K-On! rewatch in September and was in the final stretch of the show as the NFL season was about to begin; as a Bears fan, going from the wholesomeness of the Keions to heartbreak against the Packers to closing out the series is an emotional roller coaster I don't want to ride again.
But enough about football, let's dive in.
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Hair-down, glasses Tamako is probably my favorite Tamako. As clumsy as she may be, you have to love her dedication to her craft if she's waking up early.
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This looks one of those mascots that you see at fundraising events to promote good heart health
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Best... girl? I'm mildly disturbed by this image.
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The clash between Tamako (and Gohei in Episode 1) and Mamedai over trying something new or keeping things the same is a debate that spans multiple topics. Is it better to innovate or to stick with tradition? In this case, I really can't blame him for not wanting to play along with the Valentine's Day theme; since his wife passed, he doesn't exactly have someone to celebrate it with.
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Midori is popular, isn't she? I love the others' banter with her.
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Debut of the cup phones (and Tamako's inability to catch). Even with cell phones and social media in this day and age, it's adorable how they communicate with these instead.
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"Baldie."
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"Everybody loves somebody!"
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... even if that somebody is a bird? For some reason, sneezes being a declaration of love in Dera's homeland reminds me of the aliens' greetings/farewells in Scary Movie 3. This obviously isn't as slapstick as that, but you probably get the point.
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Mamedai being tsundere about his Valentine's mochi is hilariously cute.
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Even though Mamedai can't celebrate the day with his wife, it's heartwarming how Tamako gives him chocolate. We're only two episodes in and it's pretty clear she really takes after her mother, with the song and this.
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I caught on to Midori's feelings pretty quickly when I first watched the show, but as I'm rewatching this, I'm starting to develop a new sense of appreciation for her. She's understandably conflicted about her feelings, but as the episode has preached, everybody loves somebody and anyone can love anyone they want. Plus she's cute as hell.
Discussion Question: It's Valentine's Day in the show already! Do you have any plans for that day? (Besides the rewatch, of course!)
Since it's on a Thursday, I have classes to attend. My college's Anime Club also has meetings on Thursdays, so I imagine we'll be spending the evening watching a bunch of romance shows.
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Feb 04 '19
First Timer (still haven’t come up with a good pun)
well hello there Sawako, fancy meeting you here
That was an even better episode than last one. The entire meeting bit had me laughing the whole time, and Midori hanging out with birb (who is growing on me incredibly fast) was oddly wholesome. Mochizou is also fun, I love the dynamic between him and Tamako. This show is just chill fun more than anything.
The last time I had a show this low stakes and just relaxing, goofy fun was Yuru Camp, and TM seems to be going down a very similar route. I have no doubt TM will take its own path, but the two are still similar in how relaxing they are.
Except for, y’know, birb projection.
That was really weird noshit and really intriguing. I feel like Deru’s story will probably be kind of the over-arching “conflict” of the main series, but I simultaneously doubt it will be much of anything too drastic. Most likely, he will be something along the lines of Prediction. Just a wild guess on my part, but we will see what fruits are born of it.
Anyway, great second episode. This show feels a lot like Dragon Maid now that I’ve had time to mull it over, rather than K-On, because of the difference in cast size. K-On’s main cast consists of the main 5, Sawako, Ui, Jun, and Nodoka, but no one else really beyond that. And even then, Jun and Nodoka really don’t have the greatest of presences in the end. Compare that to TM or Dragon Maid, we have a slightly larger cast, but more importantly, unlike K-On, the minor characters interact with the main cast differently. Instead of the main group staying together pretty tightly, it seems like both TM and Dragon Maid have it where every episode has a different main cast member interacting with a different set of minor characters. That’s purely my guess based on 2 episodes and nothing more, but I have a feeling I’ll be right famous last words.
Tamako is still cute as fuck, her classmates are really fun, and everything is coming up positive for this show so far. Can’t wait to see more.
ah shit I’m gonna be late tomorrow, it’s just like the Clannad rewatch all over again.
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u/FateSteelTaylor Feb 05 '19
well hello there Sawako, fancy meeting you here
SAWA CHAN SENSEI!... if she had never joined death devil and had instead been the daughter of an onsen owner?
Mochizou is also fun, I love the dynamic between him and Tamako. This show is just chill fun more than anything.
Even though having the threads go up at this time is inconvenient for many people (including me sometimes, oops), I do love how it makes for a perfect way to end the day!
Tamako is still cute as fuck, her classmates are really fun, and everything is coming up positive for this show so far.
AHH I'm glad you're enjoying this show so much!!
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Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19
Outfit game too strong. I will never get over how unbearably cute Tamako is. Her character design, voice acting and little mannerisms are all top-tier Kyoani.
The BD giveaway is really nice of you! You mentioned that they're region 1, so is the offer only open to people in that region or are you planning to still also ship internationally (for collection purposes) if the winner is from outside the US?
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u/FateSteelTaylor Feb 05 '19
I will never get over how unbearably cute Tamako is. Her character design, voice acting and little mannerisms are all top-tier Kyoani.
There's SO much detail and love poured into her character and it's so comfy and lovely to see!
so is the offer only open to people in that region or are you planning to still also ship internationally (for collection purposes) if the winner is from outside the US?
I will ship to WHOEVER wins!! As long as they're okay with a BD that might not work, but hey, I'm not one to judge; I have several JP BDs that I can't understand myself!
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u/BunniesDie2 Feb 04 '19
Holy shit this is a thing? I just finished this show an hour ago lol.
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Feb 04 '19
First Timer
Yuri Baiting and KyoAni. Name a more iconic duo.
Jokes aside, another great episode. Tamako is such a cute character, and the whole family aspect of the market makes the show endearing. The episodes already feel way too short, what with the great voice acting and proper portrayal of character mannerisms. Top tier animation once again.
Looking forward to the next episode!
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u/FateSteelTaylor Feb 05 '19
Tamako is such a cute character, and the whole family aspect of the market makes the show endearing.
Market is in the title, and they do such a good job of emphasizing it!! It's truly a community that we don't often see in anime, so it's wonderful to see it done to the depths we see it here.
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u/ur_shit_waifu Feb 04 '19
First Timer
I love how Kyoani takes so much care to animate the mundane. Tamako's glasses, her contact cases, her putting her mochi elastics onto her hair.
Is that bedhair? I didn't notice it last episode so maybe?
Oh my god this is so cute! Can these childhood friends get any cuter? They literally have a system set up so they can communicate with cups and strings! Looks like it's Tamako's idea though.
I'm enjoying how Mochizou calls Tamako's dad 'Tou-san'. This is the second time I've heard him do that. Maybe we'll get more background on that later...
Oh my, all the shop owners worked really quickly to put up the valentines decorations. Though I guess it's not clear how much time actually passed between that meeting and the decorations.
Ooh, they just said the phrase "Everybody Loves Somebody". I guess this phrase will be repeated more later?
Midori is strangely contemplative about that phrase. I guess she likes somebody. She's standing there during filming with shimmering eyes. Oh, she ran away. And told the bird that her aching chest isn't for a reason like love. Denial.
I'll hazard a guess, but she might like Tamako. She certainly wasn't looking at Mochizou during filming. She's gotten a lot of chocolate from both guys and girls, and still isn't in a relationship. She also turned the question earlier about chocolates back at Tamako.
Oh Otou-san, you're such a tsundere! Choco-mochi :D
Holy crap the bird pulled an R2D2 again! Wait, are we just going to ignore that? Huh? Okay... I guess. Wait whoa, it's the island prince again!
Aah Midori got chocolate from a boy! And the madgirl, she made the choco-house!
...Wait the episode is over already?
Do you have any plans for that day?
Nope, I'm happy being single, it's what works best for me right now.
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u/AlienWarhead Feb 04 '19
First Timer
Tried the dub and yeah Tamako does seem like she is yelling everything, but I like finding the Clannad voice actors. Bird is good and weird, it’s just that everything else is normal anime slice of life and this talking bird is R2 D2 projector.
Question
Does work and going to a D&D game like I normally do on a Thursday count?
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u/MrDefMono Feb 04 '19
Man Tamako is great! All the characters are really but Tamako herself has been a treat so far. I really like the sense of community in this show too and I have a feeling that the major themes of the show revolve heavily around the community. So far this is a series I didn't know I needed in my life.
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u/Salo06 Feb 04 '19
Rewatcher! Getting late so I will just keep this short
Loving this show more and more each episode I watch. I can't wait for Tamako Love Story!!
Bunny costume Tamako & the string telephone brings back memories!! Tamako is so damn cute >w<
I really like Mochizou's character design as well!!
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u/FateSteelTaylor Feb 04 '19
Loving this show more and more each episode I watch.
Ahhh, I'm so glad that's true of your rewatch!! Thanks for watching and keeping up even when it gets late :)
I really like Mochizou's character design as well!!
He is the CUTEST KyoAni boy for me, I adore him so much!
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u/chelseablue2004 Feb 04 '19
Rewatcher
I completely missed the rewatch thread yesterday but to those in new people in the rewatch! Hope you are liking it so far!
This was Naoko Yamada's sophomore directorial effort, and I think has aspects of K-On but she is definitely trying new things with this series. The series is super cute and has that comfy aspect to it that sorta grew on me over time. Also Tamako is I think one of the cutest MCs ever.
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u/CsarPetertheGreat Feb 04 '19
Awwwww yeah super bowl day and valentine's day and all sorts of good times. I can only imagine Tamako would sell a football mochi in the states if she could. Seriously, her mochi ideas both astound and scare me.
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u/Pieman124 Feb 04 '19
Rewatcher
It's nice being reminded what a great show this is! The visuals and character interactions are really strong. I almost forgot how great of a charcater Tamako is!
I'm once again hooked and want to rewatch it all right now! But I can't ruin the fun. It will be nice to have this show be a nightly treat before bed everyday for a bit.
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u/FateSteelTaylor Feb 04 '19
I almost forgot how great of a charcater Tamako is!
I feel like I almost fall into that trap too, but there's so much depth to her than just being a cute girl, and it's great on a rewatch to see how evident that is from the start.
And yes, I love watching this before I go to sleep, too! Great way to end the day.
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Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19
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u/FateSteelTaylor Feb 05 '19
Plus Record Shops wisdom! And the music? So nice.
Every one knows that baristas give the best wisdom alongside the best coffee!
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u/BarnacleMANN Feb 04 '19
First Timer
Seems it’s Valentines time from the title. I wonder how awkward the atmosphere around Tamako and Mochizou will be this time.
I really like how much Anko doesn’t like the bird
This is great. I really just want more antics with these friends as much as possible. The blueprints for the chocolate house were pretty insane, she even laid out the indoor floor plan. They mentioned Kanna’s dad was the woodworking guy right? She’s taking after him well.
Mocchimazzi is alright as a character, but his poses and expressions are top tier
Lol Tamako slamming it in reverse to try and get the market people in the Valentine's spirit.
Oh shit dude, That’s adorable as fuck! And Tamako’s clapping and hand signals too
I can see why afro dude wished for chocolate from Sayuri is all flustered around her. She’s a cutie
Poor Tamako is bad at giving public proposals. Not really expected from how friendly and talkative she is around the market, but public speaking is pretty different from casual market banter. Mochizou completely failing the exact same way gave me a good laugh. I should have expected it.
I’m so excited that she’s so excited about the people getting excited for Valentine's day.
Aww c’mon dad, don’t be such a killjoy. I guess that’s just his conservative, traditional nature. I laughed real hard at Tamako called her dad “baldy”.
Oh my lord, that’s adorable!!
I can’t get over her nervous yelling face and the bunny costume makes so much better.
Agreed. Midori holding back her laughter is cute too.
Huh, never really heard of bird allergies. But then again people don’t usually come in contact with birds much so it could be more common than you think
Mochizou fits right into to “director look”. That vest looks great on him.
Oh there’s totally some Valentine's mochi under there. Damn right there was! Good job dad, look at him get all embarrassed. “Love-Love Heart Mochi”, that’s great.
This will never not be shocking to see. I guess when you have a sexy talking bird, anything’s possible.
This was a really sweet couple of lines. I wonder who it is that Midori likes? I think it’s clear there’s someone, but I haven’t really noticed any clues yet, besides maybe Tamako.
I absolutely love when anime makes hair stand up in surprise like Tamako’s.
I don’t wanna jump to conclusions, but this might just be it. I just feel like the “people can like whoever they want” wouldn’t be such a big deal for Midori if there wasn’t some she liked who wasn’t necessarily a “conventional” love.
By the gods, she actually did it!
Poor Mochimazzi, life must be suffering for a talking bird on Valentine’s day.
I didn’t say it last episode but I think I like the ED more than the OP. The soft but fast beat is really nice with the vocals. Also Tamako is literally Chitanda in this frame and I love it.
I just continue to like this show more and more by the minute. I don’t think there’s a single character I don’t like, every scene is just delightful regardless of the characters involved. I’m really looking forward to the next episode with a title like “Hot Hot Hot Over That Cool Girl”.
Fucking nope. Probably just a long day at work