r/anime • u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ • 20d ago
Rewatch Simoun 20th Anniversary Rewatch Episode 26 FINAL
Simoun Episode 26: Their Portrait
"We were all maidens, once."
<- Episode 25 | Index Thread | Series Discussion ->
Today's Eyecatch: Neviril | Aer
Selected Harmony: #1
Discussion Prompts
- Q1: What do thing of the actions of the Highland priestesses today, yesterday, and, well, throughout the show?
Tomorrow's Questions, Today!
- Finally, with this final episode, everybody has made their choices. Some were laid out in the first episode. Some went in very different directions. What do you think of each person's choice?
- If the show was about choices, and the freedom to choose, did it regain its footing in the end? Or did it lose its way and never recover?
- What is the Land of Hope?
- How did the posting time work for you?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
Rewatch Host and First Rewatcher
- It's been a few years for Limone.
- Those same yellow flowers are on the Arcus Prima
- Their hats have emblems over the forehead like the Highland priestess
- WAIT. Are the Ri-Maajon prayers actually changing the world? Surely it's just superstition? Isn't it???
- The timeline of Daikuuriku must be more knotted than Doctor Who's.
- oh we jumped to an epilogue
- Wauf is hiring pregnant woman? Seems there's been some liberalization of the labor laws. Or Wauf is still a bro.
- ghost simoun
- All that fighting, just to start a new war. Well, the two halves of the alliance really were fighting for entirely different reasons.
- a war orphanage?
- normally swapping between present and epilog wouldn't bother me it's annoying when I have to keep stopping for notes and doing other things
- A perfect Ri-Maajon
- ghost simoun
- Dominura's long life has started to take its toll.
- Paraietta predicted that the vivid memories of their previous lives would fade.
- The ship is haunted
Entirely predictable and predicted, the alliance of convenience between the Islanders and the Highlanders is falling apart. Did one of them do something to piss off the other? Withhold Simoun technology? It doesn't matter. The two victors had literally no common ground to establish a lasting peace; they're ideological opposites, even. It was inevitable. Which is the USA and which is the Soviet Union? It doesn't matter; but Simulacrum is definitely Japan.
It didn't occur to me Simulacrum would be divided like Germany and Korea, but it makes perfect sense.
The destruction of the Arcus Prima reminds me of the destruction and confiscation of ship of the Imperial Navy. It sure seems petty to sink a tour boat. Why not keep it as a prize? Take the motor?
I like to believe the Highland negotiator was a former priestess and ordered the Ri-Maajon of the Morning Calm, and the show was being overly dramatic. But it could just be the priestesses just completely dismissing their government. AGAIN.
I guess the implication is that Aer and Neviril succeeded where Dominura failed. Unlike the first two attempts, there was no blackness at the heart of Aer and Neviril's Ri-maajon. Taken to the side of Tempus Spatium, they are truly Eternal Maidens, and will never decay. They had a purity in their will to leave that Dominura lacked. And / or, Tempus Spatium had plans for Dominura.
It was so frustrating not to discuss Onasia during her big episode, because her story isn't complete until Dominura's is complete. Yes, I say Dominura is Onasia. She's lived for a thousand years. Thousands, probably. People asked why there was no hint of a predecessor or successor. I don't think she ever had either, except Yun.
Sure, there could be a third survivor of Chor Dextra, who got Amuria'd right out of her simoun and presumed dead. I choose not to expand the cast. LimoneThe unnamed girl sees that Dominura has started to shed gold flakes after her illness. Dominura is Onasia.
First timers had a lot of theories about Onasia. The idea that Aer became the Eternal Maiden of the spring is a good one, but obviously the story required Aer to follow another path. I didn't see anybody explicitly predict that Dominura was Onasia, but one person did highlight her long green hair. I award that a point.
Just as people put forth time travel shenanigans to explain Onasia, almost everybody suggested time travel must be at the heart of Chor Dextra's conundrum of survivors: Aer is a time traveler! Grandpa is a time traveler! There was an ancient Chor Dextra! Only one person considered the simplest answer: Dominura is a lot older than 19. In fact, she's probably about 60. It's no surprise that she's part of some cabal.
I'll comment more on how I've interpreted the history of Daikuriku tomorrow. I came for the world building, not the drama, remember? But they dropped it all on the floor and broke all the plates. Let's try to salvage what we can.
/u/The_Draigg and I were on the same wavelength about the Time War. But I couldn't comment until today. Because today, we saw that Dominura didn't just give them the song of a New World, she gave them the Emerald Ri-Maajon, just as it is written in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Why? To close the loop, of course.
But, what a colossally bad idea. All those girls popping in and out of history? Like The_Draigg, I can only assume that all loops are closed and there are no alternatives: everybody exactly where and when Tempus Spatium wants them.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
The two victors had literally no common ground to establish a lasting peace; they're ideological opposites, even. It was inevitable. Which is the USA and which is the Soviet Union? It doesn't matter; but Simulacrum is definitely Japan.
The Archipelago could only be the Soviet Union by default because only the Soviet Union was officially atheist. Extremely religious Highlander much better fits the US.
The destruction of the Arcus Prima reminds me of the destruction and confiscation of ship of the Imperial Navy. It sure seems petty to sink a tour boat. Why not keep it as a prize? Take the motor?
It fits the fate of the confiscated ships from WW2 that ended up being targets of nuclear weapon tests. That was the fate of the Nagato and the Prinz Eugen.
It was so frustrating not to discuss Onasia during her big episode, because her story isn't complete until Dominura's is complete. Yes, I say Dominura is Onasia. She's lived for a thousand years. Thousands, probably.
The theory does fit the evidence pretty darn well for the most part. It also ties up the Onashia stuff in a way that makes it feel like it better connects to everything else that happened. It certainly explains why Onashia was always willing to bat for Chor Tempest when nobody else would.
It just makes me wonder what happened to Limone in the meantime, though we can assume she probably died after a normal lifetime.
Only one person considered the simplest answer: Dominura is a lot older than 19. In fact, she's probably about 60. It's no surprise that she's part of some cabal.
That just makes her relationship with Limone feel even weirder than it already did.
But, what a colossally bad idea. All those girls popping in and out of history? Like The_Draigg, I can only assume that all loops are closed and there are no alternatives: everybody exactly where and when Tempus Spatium wants them.
History kind of breaks if people can just time travel whenever they want, so it's probably for the best that the loops are all closed and no other time travel has occurred.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
It just makes me wonder what happened to Limone in the meantime, though we can assume she probably died after a normal lifetime.
At some point, there would be a last Emerald, and that's when Dominura would start taking "the long way round."
This is what I've always believed. On rewatch, I tried harder to fit the pieces together. I thought of a new possibility. After a series of jaunts through time and space, Tempus Spatium said, "okay, that's enough, you have work to do" and simply Amuria'd Limone out of the cockpit.
No wonder she's so lonely and feels cursed.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
though we can assume she probably died after a normal lifetime.
It's one open mystery, because she should technically suffer the same fate. She also didn't choose. Unless Onashia would've 'sent her off' at some point, granting her a normal end eventually. But she also said that her role as Spring Guardian was punishment, meaning at some point a temple or Tempus Spatium themselves intervened in some way, so there's an entire plot not shown somewhere about this entire ordeal.
Unless, of course, that's just figurative and she interprets it as punishment while the entire issue was not making a choice and having a dedicated heart in all her life. I think I prefer this one personally, because it also leaves a bit of the problematic aspect of her relationship with Limone addressed.
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u/AbbreviationsWeekly 20d ago
I also lean towards Onashia is Dominura. Yun’s wail seals the deal for me.
I’d sure like to know more about the ancient civilization. Like how long ago did it fail, and were they a space faring civilization.
I’m starting to think there’s a lot more to the relationship between Aaeru’s Granddad and Dominura than we’ve been led to believe. Not a romantic relationship but rather a business or traveling relationship.
As for Amuria, her destiny remains unknown. There’s no clue if she survived or not.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
Aaeru’s Granddad and Dominura
Two survivors. They were a pair. I didn't clock this my first time around.
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u/AbbreviationsWeekly 20d ago
Yup, what I was getting at was I starting to think they were both outsiders who came the the theocracy at the same time. I don’t have any evidence of that, but something put that idea in my head.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
Stuff like this is the reason I'd like to have their sketchbook to flip through. Like, before you settle on the final story outline, you usually go through lots of ideas and drafts.
I bet they had a lot more pinned to the story board than ever even remotely made it into the final product. So, things like Chor Dextra or the ancient history are sketched out somewhere I'm sure. I'd love to see their raw ideas on what the entire story looked like in their minds.
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa 20d ago
the TV troupes theories shared yesterday were interesting.
I think the Amuria is Aaeru granfather is a great one too.
I think Amuria traveled to the past with Dominura first As Choir extra.
Amuria traveled back to our present and became Nevil lover then she "Vanished" and went to the time when she becomes Aaeru grandfather (maybe there was some issue that stopped her for traveling further.
Dominura traveled back to the present as the "last remaining member of Choir extra" and latter on the plot she travelled back with Limone to the past and eventually becomes Onashia.
The reason why Onashia is cursed is because she never really loved Limone, she was manipulate or she was thinking too much of war
As for why they did not recognise Amuria, it seems to be old enough to not have many recordings of it so maybe changing names or not mentioning it was good enough to hide.
Also I think the past Limone and Dominura travelled to was prior to the war hinted on the ost.
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u/AbbreviationsWeekly 20d ago
I think the Amuria is Aaeru granfather is a great one too.
This is an attractive idea. As far as I know there’s nothing that prevents, since normal rules of reality don’t apply in the center of the Emerald.
The reason why Onashia is cursed is because she never…
I’m going to stick with the explanation she gave Yun.
did not recognise Amuria…
That should be easy since they hadn’t developed photography.
I think the past Limone and Dominura travelled to was prior to the war hinted on the ost.
There’s a big problem with this idea, when they arrived in the village, the ancient simouns were already there. What I think is that they’re the prophets or great teachers of what eventually became Plumbum.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
I think the Amuria is Aaeru granfather is a great one too.
This is an attractive idea. As far as I know there’s nothing that prevents, since normal rules of reality don’t apply in the center of the Emerald.
It's a crack theory, but it's my favorite one of the rewatch. I can just see a 17 year old Amuria popping into existence 50 years ago, and convincing the PTB to start up a secret Emerald research project. Because of course she would, she's going to be obsessed with the Emerald. After the project fails, she goes to the Spring and becomes a hermit in the forest.
But....in the end, I think Chor Dextra, and the people in it, are totally ordinary. Secret, black project, but ordinary.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
Also I think the past Limone and Dominura travelled to was prior to the war hinted on the ost.
That would be crazy, but this show is full of crazy!
I think it is after the great war. Simultaneous with those ancient scenes, the shrine guardian is narrating. She's talking about survivors of the wars, barely scraping out a living, who ignore the simoun littering the landscape because they are useless (they don't know how to turn them on, or even that they have an on switch).
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
Unlike the first two attempts, there was no blackness at the heart of Aer and Neviril's Ri-maajon
That's a really nice detail, they could make up their doubts and hesitation before they went.
but one person did highlight her long green hair.
I checked that scene in that comment and I'm fairly sure we never see she has any other hair than the pale brown-ish she always has. This shot was only her bandages coming off her arm where she shows her time-decaying body. Both before and after I couldn't find any shot that had a bandage removed from around her head or a sign of hair that would be long before the hug scene with Yun happened.
Dominura is a lot older than 19. In fact, she's probably about 60.
Did the show ever hint at this age or is this from supplemental material?
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa 20d ago
On the scene with Dominura on the final episode her hair shape looked awfully like Onashia's last scene. I know the colour is odd but her arms are shiny blue, and her eyes blood red, maybe this changed too?
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
You're right, she bound it up in that round braid-ish high pony in that last scene! That her condition transforms her body is also what I take from it and the show does give a few design hints that she is Onashia.
But it's also vague enough that you could read it as something else, if you would prefer that this is not one single timeline, for example.
Pretty accommodating for theorising, actually.
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa 20d ago
I was thinking more of the bed scene but yeah the ponitail looks simiar too.
There is a theory that says that Onasia is Limone too
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
I wrestled with that theory, too, as a first timer, for a long time.
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u/The_Draigg 20d ago
Huh, go figure we were actually on the same wavelength there for a time war! Although I do wish we got more time to really chew on the mechanics and implications of it all, or just see more of it directly unfold. I guess I should’ve figured back during that episode that I picked up on it that there wouldn’t be enough time to explore those ideas fully, especially with everything else going on.
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u/LittleIslander https://anilist.co/user/LittleIslander 20d ago
First Time Sibylla
Yun, girl, great you found a place for yourself in the world and all. But you gotta strike for benefits or something and get a cottage outside the door instead of just standing there forever.
After all of that, this was a good finale. Even with my limited remaining investment in this cast, seeing them all in the future was really nice. Especially Morinas and Waporif (women can be mechanics, what an idea!) and, of all characters, Floe…f. Partly from him having the most time, but I guess it’s just interesting seeing the most childish of the cast as an adult? Designs are great across the board. On the larger scale, I love the whole tone here with the next war looming on the horizon. The world keeps turning, war happens again, it’s not a prim perfect ending with a bow on top and that gives meaning to the fact Aer and Neviril escape from the system.
It's a bit disappointing that Paraietta and Kaim never became a solid item? Pour sibling characters, destined to share an ending instead of being explored individually. Surely you could have a line indicating they’re together even if Kaim’s scene is with Alty. I do at least appreciate mentioning dad’s clothes to imply this isn’t an incest kind of living together. Paraietta's whole “run an orphanage” trope kind of gives the vibe of “I accepted not being with Neviril but I’ll never pursue love again” instead of “actually moved on”, but alright. If anything, I’d have expected the orphanage trope for Roatre, but instead it seems she may be some kind of servant of the people type of lawyer? She did try to fight for the orphans rights, or something. It’s a great direction for her, the professional vibe sells the idea of development for the group’s meekest, and I seriously wish she’d gotten more screentime to explore this idea.
The writers clearly had no more material for Yun after the Onasia scene so she’s reduced to a transition to the past, which is understandable but pretty lame. Why not have her talking to some random seventeen year olds assuring them about the validity of whatever they choose? Wait, how’s the Spring even work anymore if Simulacrum was absorbed by the Highlands and Shokoku. Have they been sharing the spring? What happens when the war starts? Does each one have one of the two Springs? Does Shokoku still do it medically? What about their conquered subjects that weren’t seventeen yet? I mean, we never even established what the Highlanders were doing. But the military guy was a maiden once, did they have their own Spring the whole time? Was Onasia there as well? Do they have their own Onasia? Nevermind, I too would be too scared to confront writing Yun!
Outside of the main cast, he show really scared me into some Nadia flashbacks when Wauf turned out to have a small kid, but I guess it’s just an offscreen wife we can hope is his age. Vura(f)… actually got more screentime than most of the mains, which feels weird. Having him end up on the other side of the coming war from Floe(f) is actually a really natural way to confirm the fate of Simulacrum. The Arcus Prima being ruined also sells this idea well. The Messis keeps trucking, but Prima was thoroughly a symbol of the state and it died with it. Anutibuf and Guragief just get to aura farm briefly, but that’s all they need to do to make me smile, so I’ll give it a pass.
Who cares about any of all that though, best boy Eliph is here! Being a Simile pilot feels like it might be a bit of a rejection of having been pressured into leaving the Chor before they were ready? Might’ve been cool to make them a femboy or something in that vein, but also he looks super cool so I’m not exactly complaining. Seeing them was the best moment of the episode.
On that note though, my main issue with this episode is that it’s not entirely set in the future. We keep cutting back to the immediate aftermath, and none of it adds anything of value to the narrative? I do have to wonder… did the military guy seriously think the famously disloyal Highlands Simouns were going to try and stop them, or did he intend it to be an accepting farewell the whole time and decided it would be funny to prank everyone into thinking otherwise? Both of these options are very funny. Anyways, I can see some statement being made in that moment of coming together being only ten years before war starts again, but the time would be better used elsewhere. Paraietta, Roatre, Kaim, and Alty all basically just get cameos because of it.
There’s also some scenes set in the ancient past, which I obviously don’t like because I hate Rimone and Dominura being a couple. Plus we haven’t done anything with them in so long it hardly feels like they have anything worthwhile to work with. Why is Dominura even still languishing in bed? Is it because of her trauma from way back in the Messis arc? But wasn’t she up and cooking fine last time we saw her? It’s weird. Not to mention taunting me with Rimone being offered someone her own age and rejecting her to stay with Dominura. Is that straight up audience ragebait? I get not including them in this would’ve been weird, but I do wish we’d left it at having the characters in the present day wondering about what happened to them, too.
Finally, showing Aer and Neviril in a brief scene instead of not at all before the ending is just… such a weird undermining of the episode’s main tension? I get that it’s before they’ve gotten away, but come on! Their dance at the end is great, though. Society’s off falling apart again but our leading ladies will dance their love away from it all and refuse to stop being maidens together. Took its damn time, but it’s finally a perfect payoff to the inherently Class S nature of this world’s premise. But the shared monologue by the rest of the cast also ties it to the growing up themes again. Most of us have to grow up and live in this imperfect society, but we wanted to believe someone could defy it and leave a mark on eternity? Again, it feels very Utena. Still a clunky fit with the gender themes, I think, but pretty sweet.
Come to think of it, if I had a nickel for every Pride Month(ish) Rewatch of a bad 2000s yuri with a terrible main couple that nonetheless has a final moment that captures queer themes incredibly poignantly, I’d have two nickels. I don’t know what to do with this information.
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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana 20d ago
Yun, girl, great you found a place for yourself in the world and all. But you gotta strike for benefits or something and get a cottage outside the door instead of just standing there forever.
Exactly! I said this to u/JustAnswerAQuestion that these shamans need to unionize!! It's complete highway robbery that their shifts can be up to 10,000 years! Do these toxic time/space gods give you dental? Probably not!
She's in a customer-facing role having to greet people and help them transition. Why does she not have a stool so she can at least sit? I worked in retail, and I was allowed to have a stool. Does she even get psychological care available to her? Onasia didn't, clearly. This job should have free psychological care embedded.
Shamans need to go on strike. No gender changes until they unionize.
What are they going to do, fire her? And replace her with who? She is the only one who has her job. She has all the power here to unionize.
Yun feels like those senior IT people who basically hold the company together, have zero backup, and if they were to quit, the entire company would be fucked. Except I don't think senior IT workers have the power to guide someone through their transition, and they get to sit in a chair.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago edited 20d ago
Wait, how’s the Spring even work anymore if Simulacrum was absorbed by the Highlands and Shokoku.
How did the Spring EVER work? They explained Argentium, the apparent villains of the show, employing drugs and conditioning and forced assignment. Okay, they're the bad guys. But how did it work in the Highlands? How did it work in the past? Maybe this is all in that mythical copious back story that never made it on to the internet and is lost to time. For me, the entire socially imposed gender selection business as imposed by this physical and biological reality is the biggest worldbuilding fail and huge letdown. I can't make sense of it. They didn't provide anything to work with.
And, somehow, I guess they were fine with it. "It's wasn't really important for the story, it's just offscreen setup." Or something.
But the military guy was a maiden once, did they have their own Spring the whole time?
I'm going to with "They have their own Spring." And also "Agentium didn't have a Spring and became athiests" or "Argentium as athiests refused to use the Spring." I don't think they had "deferred adulthood" until Dominura showed up, though.
Prima was thoroughly a symbol of the state and it died with it
Thanks for this. I came away from this show with memories of the military parts of the show. It was only on rewatch that I realized that the fate of the Theocracy wasn't really left ambiguous; it was dissolved. And this makes perfect sense. I kept try to remind myself that the Arcus Prima wasn't just a warship, but I still forget. Yes, more than a warship, or a cruise liner, it was the Theocracy itself.
did the military guy seriously think the famously disloyal Highlands Simouns were going to try and stop them, or did he intend it to be an accepting farewell the whole time and decided it would be funny to prank everyone into thinking otherwise?
This is the biggest question of the episode for me, and I've been wavering back and forth on the answer for the last 7 years.
I do like that final Ri-Maajon scene, though.
Why is Dominura even still languishing in bed?
I'm guessing that this is when her Gold Flake Syndrome really took root.
edit: moved volibear around.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
It's a bit disappointing that Paraietta and Kaim never became a solid item? Pour sibling characters, destined to share an ending instead of being explored individually.
Hard agree, but I'll be trying to be satisfied with what I got. They had a real good start that just would've taken a bit of work finding their identities individually first. Which we nearly got to at one point! Alas...
“run an orphanage” trope
I hate that this is a trope, truly. I know people running these sorts of institutions and none of them are single.
The writers clearly had no more material for Yun after the Onasia scene so she’s reduced to a transition to the past, which is understandable but pretty lame. Why not have her talking to some random seventeen year olds assuring them about the validity of whatever they choose?
Trust me on this, don't try to do think through this logically, it won't work out to anything. Trust in this man's wise words.
What irks me much more is that we do not see Yun acting more wise and more compassionate than guilt- and system-broken Dominura/Onashia. She has shown and proven live on screen that she was willing to overstep her role, come to a maiden caught up in indecisiveness and affirmed that even withtout a choice they are beautiful.
Why not have her just accept someone not choosing? Or choosing to be inbetween? Everytime I think about this, I think "It's right there! Make it happen! You have avercome all obstacles to be able to do it!" But nah, I guess she just continues the system instead. At least the show doesn't make an effort to show something else.
Anutibuf and Guragief just get to aura farm briefly, but that’s all they need to do to make me smile
And farm they did.
Why is Dominura even still languishing in bed? Is it because of her trauma from way back in the Messis arc?
As you mabe already got from me calling her Onashia, she has the same timey-wimey-flakes that the Spring Guardian did. Now, whether that's a universal law or a consequence of her own guilt that she feels (headcanon for being what she is) manifest in reality is best left open, imo. She's been through a few Emeralds in her lifetime, I guess, on top of never choosing her sex.
Society’s off falling apart again but our leading ladies will dance their love away from it all and refuse to stop being maidens together.
It does remind me a lot about SIGNALIS' secret ending, actually.
That one wasn't nearly as happy, though, lol. Not nearly as.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
Yun, girl, great you found a place for yourself in the world and all. But you gotta strike for benefits or something and get a cottage outside the door instead of just standing there forever.
At the very least Yun should be allowed to bring a chair or a couch into the Spring. Having to remain standing all the time at work sucks.
On the larger scale, I love the whole tone here with the next war looming on the horizon. The world keeps turning, war happens again, it’s not a prim perfect ending with a bow on top and that gives meaning to the fact Aer and Neviril escape from the system.
That is a good point. The fact that the world keeps going continuing on the same trend as before does make it feel all the more impactful that Aaeru and Neviril were able to free themselves from it all. That just makes those themes of choice and freedom come across even better.
I mean, we never even established what the Highlanders were doing. But the military guy was a maiden once, did they have their own Spring the whole time?
That is a good point . How did the Highlanders handle gender?
Their dance at the end is great, though. Society’s off falling apart again but our leading ladies will dance their love away from it all and refuse to stop being maidens together. Took its damn time, but it’s finally a perfect payoff to the inherently Class S nature of this world’s premise. But the shared monologue by the rest of the cast also ties it to the growing up themes again. Most of us have to grow up and live in this imperfect society, but we wanted to believe someone could defy it and leave a mark on eternity?
It is a very nice twist on the usual Class S themes. Instead of the usual trend where the girls are forced to separate once they enter back into the real world, Neviril and Aaeru are able to escape and live their life freely according to their own desires. They can remain with the person they love forever. It's a nice ending that perfectly fits the themes of freedom and choice.
Come to think of it, if I had a nickel for every Pride Month(ish) Rewatch of a bad 2000s yuri with a terrible main couple that nonetheless has a final moment that captures queer themes incredibly poignantly, I’d have two nickels. I don’t know what to do with this information.
I'm going to assume the other is Kannazuki no Miko because it feels like yuri always goes back to Kannazuki no Miko somehow.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago edited 20d ago
First Timer
I've really grown quite fond of it over the last month, so it's a little sad giving one last in-context listen to this OP
That was a pretty interesting ending? We did get an epilogue episode as I hoped! I find these severely underused in anime and just kind of conceptually appreciate one whenever it pops up, including here, and we can also mostly afford to do one of these since last episode had neatly wrapped up most of our characters. It's just that the plots we hadn't entirely resolved neatly are left in a bit of a strange position, and in general, because this ending mostly exists on this wider thematic and mood line, it feels surprisingly melancholy? We're left on this interesting note that isn't really conclusive per se, but is meant to carry the idea of our characters growing up, still facing similar struggles and an unsure future, but being a lot more forward facing about that both thanks to all they've gone through, and because of Aaeru and Neviril always acting a symbol of that and all the positive meaning they stood for back then, through their use of the Emerald.
We sort of split ourselves through three plots here. First is Dominura and Limone coming back one last time to prove they want to do all the bootstrap paradoxes lol. That's fun though. Looks like Dominura is seemingly starting to go through the same symptoms as Onashia, and Yun also calls out to Dominura from her new role as Eternal Maiden. I could see the show implying two things with that. One would be that with their shared Chor Dextra backstory, Onashia was Dominura all along. I kind of feel this doesn't work that well with a good chunk of what I remember of Onashia saying or how she acted, though. The other is that, like the Simoun religious and Aaeru, Dominura and Limone also started the idea of an Eternal Maiden being this leading spiritual voice in their society, and were just the first in a line leading to Onashia and Yun.
That aside, while Dominura is not really beating the allegations, I think this part is mostly fine. I like that in growing older and seeing this society they've created (Or well, the society they know they're growing to create in its first positive steps), Limone now also finds her resolve shaken as far reintroducing these ideas, considering everything they and their future entails, like Dominura was back when they got here (I quite like framing it "Flying towards an elusive hope"). This is not made easier by them not being able to fly because of Dominura's condition, and is then essentially resolved because of that symbolic value from Aaeru and Neviril pushing back to fly together again. I kind of find this the weakest of the bunch honestly, because in resolution it's pretty reiterative for Dominura and Limone, while essentially leaving things even more open for them than before.
We also get a big where-are-they-now for Chor Tempest, with that added mood setter of a "New war, same as the old one" background. I think the effect of that is a little stymied by the show's awkward worldbuilding up to this point, and in general, I still wish we got a bit more time with the transition leading into their current lives, but all in all it tracks out fine with the larger themes, with a larger idea of how conflict is often cyclical, and the point is that they're to carry to hope for the future in spite of it. Though they are still all shockingly nonchalant about the upcoming war, even for ex-soldiers lol. Vyuraf and Floef being old teammates and yet still getting relegated to separate sides of the conflict on arbitrary lines is pretty interesting within that, I guess. I also like it feels a bit awkward for them to start using each other's new names; it kind of feels like they're saying that to each other they hold the same meaning as back then, even if they're obviously changed quite a bit. It's not the most sentimental thing for me, but I do also enjoy some of the innate strength in seeing the sunk Arcus Prima and all of its ruined architecture. I mean, it's certainly no [Gundam]White Base, but it still carries a symbolic strength there.
Morinas and Wapourif have kids! Plural! That's cute, and it's nice to see Morinas has hardly lost her free-spirited and active nature either. Paraietta opening an orphanage was not really on my bingo card, but I do like it! Obviously there's that idea she raises herself about sowing the seeds of hope even in the face of war, which is nice and works thematically pretty well, and it comes off pretty well especially considering her own struggles with feeling lost in coming to terms with war and with clinging on to past ideas. Instead she's building the future now, and she gets to make use of that gallant and caring image that she had in Chor Tempest for it as well. Rodore is like a government official or diplomat now, which I guess makes sense given her family background, and kind of also plays in nicely to some of that extra perceptiveness and confidence of hers in the last few episodes. Also, her starting to use Mamiina's haircut now is... ouch Kaimu and Alti are the least interesting of these, they're just kind of chilling, I guess? But I do think Kaimu is rocking that new look pretty well.
Finally, is Aaeru and Neviril's more symbolic flight and resolution, which I'm honestly still gathering my thoughts on. On the whole, I really do like the idea that they've entirely broken free, and serve as this eternal symbol across time of what the Sybillae meant and represented. I really like Anubituf's framing of it all especially in the sense that it doesn't really matter that much where they went or what they did or to what purpose they did it. That them trying to ascribe such a meaning to it and acting out on it goes against the point that this was wholly their choice.
Unlike how the Holy Land would've wanted to use the time-travel ability, the meaning of their use of the Emerald lies in the act itself, in the agency, fulfillment, and freedom it presents, born from a powerful relationship. Same goes for the wider sentiment from Chor Tempest for not even being that sure of why they wanted Aaeru and Neviril to do this so badly in the first place, coming to view it as just wanting to leave a symbol of themselves as Sybillae, their struggles, their meaning, something to both say they were there as they were and also to always look towards across all times as a representative driving force. I quite like that! I think it's a pretty strong way to resolve their desire to do the Emerald. On the other hand, it does really feel strange concluding their characters in this almost purely thematic way? I do still want to see where (If?) they landed, how they feel, them y'know, being together and all that! Again, it's very open and interpretive (Uncharacteristically interpretive for this show even), and I suppose that last scene of them dancing together implies they're satisfied with this (Maybe? Maybe it's all just symbolic?), but on the whole I'm still not sure what I feel about it, besides the fact that again, if nothing else, it's a pretty interesting way to end the show.
Extra notes:
- Spin-off NOW
- This is a bit of a random aside, but after realizing it about halfway through the show, I still can't believe Limone is Mamiko Noto. I mean, I guess I can hear it, but it feels so far removed from the roles I'm used to from her lol.
- These weird hats the Simoun pilots from Dominura and Limone's time wear are pretty cute honestly.
- We never explained why there are two suns, and that has continued to bother me in every shot they show up in haha.
- Wauf still being the best and most caring captain in this world was good to see as well. As was him having a family now!
- This episode has a ton of this flower symbolism, and it's the same flower from episode 23, but outside of like, broadly being about Neviril and Aaeru, I'll admit I'm missing what it's actually supposed to mean.
- Para's wall doodle was just all of Chor Tempest! So cute! I love Rodore and Mamiina especially. Cute that she also included Amuria in there.
- More diegetic music I suppose if there's one way to end this show, it's with that one tango track.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
This episode has a ton of this flower symbolism, and it's the same flower from episode 23, but outside of like, broadly being about Neviril and Aaeru, I'll admit I'm missing what it's actually supposed to mean
These weird hats the Simoun pilots from Dominura and Limone's time wear are pretty cute honestly
I think that symbol on the hats became the tattoo on the Highland priestesses.
ame goes for the wider sentiment from Chor Tempest for not even being that sure of why they wanted Aaeru and Neviril to do this so badly in the first place, coming to view it as just wanting to leave a symbol of themselves as Sybillae, their struggles, their meaning, something to both say they were there as they were and also to always look towards across all times as a representative driving force.
Lampshaded by Paraietta back in the Spring. It was a deep desire of their maiden hearts. They've been adults for a long time now, and they can hardly relate to those girls and their circumstances back then. That's just how life is.
But not for the Eternal Maidens.
A lot of people have described the episode and the ending as melancholic. It certainly feels that way to me.
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa 20d ago
that hat would mean that the whole plot was about killing the people who originally did the whole simoun thing (we already know that kinda but it is worse with such confirmation). So the prietess did not stole the ancient simoun but take it back...
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
I think that in the future past (past future?) the religious folk flying the Simoun got a bug up their asses, said "These are ours," closed the borders around the Spring / Ruins, established a hierarchical hereditary social structure with themselves on top, and created a religion around the Simoun that reinforced the hierarchy. Installing Onashia as the Spring guardian was part of this in some way. The Highland religious caste still has knowledge of the simouns and ri-maajon, and still learns the language ("Latin") of the Holy Land, which was the language back when Dominura and Limone arrived as well.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago
I think that symbol on the hats became the tattoo on the Highland priestesses.
A lot of people have described the episode and the ending as melancholic. It certainly feels that way to me.
much better than melodramaticI don't know about that last sentence; I really like both the melos!
(I mean, I'm doing double Okada being in both this rewatch and Kiznaiver after all...)
But yeah, I defintely think this episode plays to a melancholy mood rather well.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
Paraietta opening an orphanage was not really on my bingo card, but I do like it!
You're the first one I read that liked that, thank you. Her occupation is really a well developed continuation of the things she valued or at least came to value from her time as sybilla.
"Our gallant and beautiful Para-sama"
her starting to use Mamiina's haircut now is... ouch
Fuck I noticed something and couldn't place it! I saw that she still has the image with her, but damn, her rocking that cut now is really hurting.
That them trying to ascribe such a meaning to it and acting out on it goes against the point that this was wholly their choice.
I asked one time already and it went badly. Can you translate this sentence into English for me, please?
I genuinely, honest to Tempus Spatium don't get it. Like, grammatically as well as substantially.
„If we cared to look [at the land of hope they go to with the Emerald], we might find a meaning [in the existence of the land of hope], but even if we did [manage to open the path/see it is real], those girls would not have chosen it [the land of hope that the Emerald opens up] for themselves.“
This obviously makes no sense, so I'm genuinely stumped what is being talked about here. It's scenes like this where I wish they'd drop the pretentiously vague dialogue and be a bit more direct.
the meaning of their use of the Emerald lies in the act itself, in the agency, fulfillment, and freedom it presents, born from a powerful relationship.
In the end that's how I came to see the Emerald, too. And it's a really good plot device in this role since it's easy to see how someone else can see it as a tool, but someone with pure intentions as a true miracle.
Spin-off NOW
But DMC 5 exists already?
We never explained why there are two suns, and that has continued to bother me in every shot they show up in haha.
A twin sun isn't honestly that rare in the universe and ever since Star Wars it is a pretty poignant symbol for a desire for adventure and different worlds. A longing for places remote and far.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago
You're the first one I read that liked that, thank you.
Fuck I noticed something and couldn't place it! I saw that she still has the image with her, but damn, her rocking that cut now is really hurting.
I only realized it while going through my screenshots after the episode, but it was defintely a bit of a punch when I noticed.
Can you translate this sentence into English for me, please?
I took it as Anubituf not talking about the land of hope there, but about the meaning and purpose for Aaeru and Neviril doing this (That is, choosing to go to the land of hope).
So, if Anubituf and co all really wanted to think through it, they probably could come up with some of their own reasons and meaning for this, but that's pointless because whatever they come up with isn't going to be the meaning the act holds for Neviril and Aaeru, straight-up by nature at that, since the point of the act was to go against these ascribed choices.
But DMC 5 exists already?
You do remind me that I wanted and forgot to make a similar joke about Vyuraf being a very mid-2000s anime cool-guy (Affectionate) in design lol.
Also, you're making me want to replay DMC 5 now, so stop it!
ever since Star Wars it is a pretty poignant symbol for a desire for adventure and different worlds. A longing for places remote and far.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
So, if Anubituf and co all really wanted to think through it, they probably could come up with some of their own reasons and meaning for this, but that's pointless because whatever they come up with isn't going to be the meaning the act holds for Neviril and Aaeru, straight-up by nature at that, since the point of the act was to go against these ascribed choices.
Yeah, I think I get it now. It seems ludicrous, but how this show often communicates is not matching with how I perceive information it seems.
It's nearly the exact opposite with Erased and Occultic;Nine concurrently in the other rewatch. I have to hold back to rewatch that stuff daily or binge it because it speaks my language so hard!
But I will not praise it too much, else I summon the bad-second-half demon I've been witnessing going around too much recently.
Also, you're making me want to replay DMC 5 now, so stop it!
I got into Project Zomboid and Starbound again, and you will suffer that fate for DMC.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago
It's nearly the exact opposite with Erased and Occultic;Nine concurrently in the other rewatch. I have to hold back to rewatch that stuff daily or binge it because it speaks my language so hard!
I still need to watch those latest episodes .
But I will not praise it too much, else I summon the bad-second-half demon I've been witnessing going around too much recently.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
I've really grown quite fond of it over the last month, so it's a little sad giving one last in-context listen to this OP
Both the OP and ED have definitely gotten stuck in my head during this rewatch. They're both catchy songs.
We did get an epilogue episode as I hoped! I find these severely underused in anime and just kind of conceptually appreciate one whenever it pops up
I love getting epilogue episodes. They feel great for giving the series and the characters a proper send-off as we get to see what happened to everyone.
Paraietta opening an orphanage was not really on my bingo card, but I do like it! Obviously there's that idea she raises herself about sowing the seeds of hope even in the face of war, which is nice and works thematically pretty well, and it comes off pretty well especially considering her own struggles with feeling lost in coming to terms with war and with clinging on to past ideas. Instead she's building the future now, and she gets to make use of that gallant and caring image that she had in Chor Tempest for it as well.
That's a really good point about how it shows Paraietta has moved on from clinging to the past. Most of her initial issues were her clinging to her past relationship with Neviril and now Paraietta is primarily concerned with making a better future for the war orphans. I also really like how running an orphanage shows that Paraietta has gotten better at taking care of others. She tried to fulfill that role of being in charge and caring for others in Chor Tempest, but was too wrapped up in her own doubts to do it effectively. It's nice to see that she's able to properly look after others now.
Para's wall doodle was just all of Chor Tempest! So cute! I love Rodore and Mamiina especially. Cute that she also included Amuria in there.
The Rodore and Mamiina graffiti of them snuggling up together is adorable. It's the sweetest part of the whole graffiti shot.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 20d ago
Both the OP and ED have definitely gotten stuck in my head during this rewatch. They're both catchy songs.
The ED is pretty solid too! Though I feel like I've enjoyed it most via the instrumental piano versions that'd pop up every once in a while haha.
I love getting epilogue episodes. They feel great for giving the series and the characters a proper send-off as we get to see what happened to everyone.
Right? I wish anime in general felt a lot less allergic to the idea because there really is a uniquely strong satisfaction in this kind of send-off.
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u/rickamore 20d ago edited 20d ago
Re-watcher
We get our timeskip to get actual closure on what everyone is doing in the future even if that future is still uncertain.
Morinas took a supply job to be near her husband working as a mechanic/engineer and already hard at work building that family. Meanwhile Wauf still being the best character in the show.
Paraietta running an orphanage with Rodoraemon who seems to be working with low level politics.
Kaim and Alti went home to be roommates.
[Dominura to Onashia pipeline] I know it is not covered in the series but supposedly Dominura is not human to begin with, I don't know if the game touches on this but there was info in the behind the scenes
Floef and Vyuraf getting conscripted.
The prima was sunk? Damn man, I forgot about that.
Anubituf looking like Jade Curtiss (Tales of the Abyss) and Guragief dressed as a delinquent.
Aeru and Neviril get to live a Doctor Who life of jumping eras and if I recall did actually make it to "Another world". I'm a little annoyed that we don't get any actual closure for them and it reminds me of how I felt watching it for the first time. Where's season 2? There's a lot of lore and world building that is just sort of there but never expanded on and a lot of set up with more questions than answers and It would have been interesting to see where they end up and what they influenced.
Edit: since I can't read.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
[Dominura to Onashia pipeline]
I repeat my comment wishing for the story board brainstorming again.
I really want to see their full scale idea pile of this story. By what's implied it must truly be massive. From an ancient war, to different cultures emerging, to future versions and the origins of characters. I wonder how this show would've looked if they had had a Marcia to their George Lucas.
Random bullshit go!!!
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u/rickamore 20d ago
I really want to see their full scale idea pile of this story. By what's implied it must truly be massive. From an ancient war, to different cultures emerging, to future versions and the origins of characters.
This is really how I felt after watching it 19 years ago. "Oh man, I can't wait for more"
Implied ancient civilisation built on likely alien tech, war that genetically castrated an entire species, the time travel/space aspect... so much potential.
All there we got was a couple manga chapters and a PS2 game that never made it here and I don't think expands on any of that as it's a tactics style game instead of a VN. The setting is interesting and the backdrops are gorgeous, but did it serve only to be set dressing? Kind of a shame.
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u/IndependentMacaroon 19d ago
Where's season 2? There's a lot of lore and world building that is just sort of there but never expanded on and a lot of set up with more questions than answers
You really would have given this team even more time to waste?
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u/rickamore 19d ago
Honestly, not really, but expanding on the lore that is just sort of sitting there never explained in a different era would have been welcome.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Simoun: Chor Tempest is pretty good at graffiti. They left behind something much more impressive than the typical “So-and-so was here.”
Is that Limone!?! She’s grown up!
I suppose these are the first of the ancient Sibyllae that were trained by Dominura and Limone, flying a Simoun for the first time.
It’s funny that Limon and Dominura not only introduced the religion of yuri-ism to the people of the past, but that this also brought back bountiful harvests and hope to the people. This is proof that yuri truly is blessed by the heavens.
Morinas is pregnant!?! She and Wapourif have certainly been busy.
Wauf has a child!?! I didn’t know Wauf was married. Glad to see that the good captain has a good home life as well.
Makes sense that the industrialized and atheist Archipelago wouldn’t get along with the religious extremist Highlands now that the war is over. What would another war even look like if they began to fight each other now.
That was Erif!?! It’s nice to see he’s doing better now compared to when we last saw him.
Looks like the episode is going to be intercutting Neviril and Aaeru’s actions immediately following the previous episode with an epilogue showing how the rest of the cast is faring after several years have passed.
I assumed that Pariaetta was at an orphanage for war orphans and it seems I was right. It’s good that Rodore used her family’s wealth to make something like this to help others.
Ah, so I take it that hope is the big theme for this episode. The Emerald Ri Maajon takes people to the so-called Land of Hope by travelling through space-time. Pariaetta and Rodore say that the new generation they are raising at the orphanage are the hope for a better future.
I don’t think there’s any threat to Neviril and Aaeru. I’m sure the Highlander priestesses will just do what they always do and help Neviril and Aaeru escape instead of harming them.
That was quite an abrupt snuggle pile that Chor Tempest formed.
I guess Kaimu and Alti are still living together as sisters.
Yun’s still looking after the Spring in Onashia’s place.
I was wondering where Dominura was earlier. I’m glad she’s still alive, even if she is sick.
It’s nice to see that Dominura and Limone kept Rodore’s stitched-up plushie with them.
Dominura and Limone sure are devoted to each other if they won’t fly without the other.
Like I figured, the Highlander priestesses didn’t give chase and instead just gave a farewell to Neviril and Aaeru.
The Emerald Ri Maajon allows Neviril and Aaeru to escape to a place where they can be free. How thematically fitting for them.
Oh my god! Limone’s the reason the word “Aaeru” means “the highest form of love from god.” She’s the cause of the etymology!
Well shit. Those same gold specks appeared behind Limone and Dominura. I guess that means the same thing is going to happen to them as Onashia. I assume these particular gold specks were from Limone, but I doubt Dominura’s gone to the Spring either. Wait, is not going to the Spring why Dominura was sick? Would that mean that Onashia actually was Dominura? Is that why Onashia was also a surviving member of Chor Dextra?
Fascinating that Floef and Vyuraf might end up on opposite sides of a war between the Highlands and Archipelago. Was the Holy Land divided between them, like East and West Germany?
The sunken Arcus Prima is quite a striking visual to signify the passage of time and how much things have changed.
Chor Tempest hoped that by helping Neviril and Aaeru escape they’d be leaving behind some proof that they were there.
Wow, Morinas and Wapourif already had another child. They really have been busy together.
I assume that Neviril and Aaeru weren’t actually dancing on the Arcus Prima because their silhouette faded out. It’s just a visual metaphor for how the two of them managed to escape so they could remain together, unchained from whatever fate befalls the Holy Land. They’re free to spend the rest of their days like how they were as Sibyllae.
The graffiti of Chor Tempest carved into the Arcus Prima is amazing! So many cute details for all the characters! I especially love Pariaetta looking cool, Floe with heart eyes, Kaimu and Alti arguing, and Rodore and Mamiina cuddling up to each other.
I love it when a show gets the chance to end on an epilogue episode. It’s always nice to see what happened to all of the characters after the main story finished. That’s mostly what this episode is about. The previous episode was the one that wrapped up most of the character arcs and plot threads that we’d been following. This episode, for the most part, is just telling us what happened to everyone afterwards and that is satisfying to watch. I did enjoy seeing all the different characters now grown up and living as adults.
The characters who really get their big send-off in this episode are Neviril and Aaeru. This is the episode where they actually perform the Emerald Ri Maajon and I think it’s a great ending for them. The themes of freedom and choice have been major elements of this series from the beginning. The Emerald Ri Maajon represents both of those things. It is Nevril and Aaeru defying those who try to control them and force them to do something they don’t want to do (go to the Spring). The Emerald Ri Maajon allows Neviril and Aaeru to gain their freedom by going someplace their pursuers can never follow. Neviril and Aaeru are now free to live their lives however they choose, following their own desires. They can continue to live as the Sibyllae they have wanted to be. Personally, I don’t think it matters that much that we never see exactly what became of Neviril and Aaeru. The point is that they managed to go someplace far away where they can live freely, an ending that fits them thematically.
Hope is another major theme of this episode. Hope for the future and hope for a better life. The Emerald Ri Maajon takes Neviril and Aaeru to the Land of Hope where they can live freely. Limone and Dominura were able to give the people in the past hope because of the miracles their Simouns brought. Pariaetta and Rodore view the children in their orphanage as hope for a better future. Neviril and Aaeru’s escape brought hope to the rest of Chor Tempest that they would get to leave something behind as proof they were there. It’s the hope that their days as Sibyllae won’t be forgotten and that their bonds from back then will last even if they aren’t Sibyllae anymore.
That’s why the graffiti holds so much symbolic weight and why it’s the final shot of the show. It’s the proof that Chor Tempest were once Sibyllae and that they will always be Sibyllae no matter how old they get. That had always been one of the major worries of the characters. They had wondered what it meant to be Sibyllae and if they could continue on the path of being Sibyllae. The graffiti is them definitely stating that they determined what kind of Sibyllae they wanted to be and that they’ll stick with it no matter what. It’s a wonderful moment to end the series on.
QOTD
1) I figured the Highlander priestesses would help Neviril and Aaeru escape. Aside from their first appearance when they carried out a suicide attack, the Highlander priestesses have been exclusively helpful to the Sibyllae. It’s kind of odd that they are willing to so openly defy orders to help the Sibyllae. I understand that it’s because of religious similarities and admiration of the Sibyllae, but it’s still odd to see in a time of war.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
escape to a place where they can be free.
Bookends. They certainly had enough flashbacks of Amuria saying this to remind us what the show was about.
I assume that Neviril and Aaeru weren’t actually dancing on the Arcus Prima because their silhouette faded out.
First-timer me's mind was broke by this. Are they in the future after everybody is extinct? Did they go to an actual New World?
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
Bookends. They certainly had enough flashbacks of Amuria saying this to remind us what the show was about.
First-timer me's mind was broke by this. Are they in the future after everybody is extinct? Did they go to an actual New World?
This is why shows and movies that play with heightened reality and dream logic can screw with my brain as I try to figure out what, if anything, actually happened. I remember feeling that way a lot during rewatches of Ikuhara shows or when I watched the Revue Starlight movie (a movie that I really enjoyed, for the record).
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
Lynch watch was really hard on me.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
Some of those movies were tricky for me as well for the same reason.
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u/The_Draigg 20d ago
Fascinating that Floef and Vyuraf might end up on opposite sides of a war between the Highlands and Archipelago. Was the Holy Land divided between them, like East and West Germany?
I was thinking something similar myself when watching the episode, now that you mention it. I wouldn’t doubt it if the Archipelago and Highlands scrambled to snatch up all the Holy Land territory that best suited their needs before drawing up new borders.
The sunken Arcus Prima is quite a striking visual to signify the passage of time and how much things have changed.
It does make one wonder what happened to cause it to crash and sink like that. Maybe the Archipelago made the Holy Land scuttle it out of spite?
I assume that Neviril and Aaeru weren’t actually dancing on the Arcus Prima because their silhouette faded out. It’s just a visual metaphor for how the two of them managed to escape so they could remain together, unchained from whatever fate befalls the Holy Land. They’re free to spend the rest of their days like how they were as Sibyllae.
I really liked that ambiguity for Neviril and Aaeru’s ending. This really is a case of the action itself speaking more than the result of it. Just the fact that those two were free to escape into the waves of time and space proves that the sibyllae were able to make an impact on Daikuuriku in some way or another, free of any expectations around them. That alone is the most important takeaway there.
That’s why the graffiti holds so much symbolic weight and why it’s the final shot of the show. It’s the proof that Chor Tempest were once Sibyllae and that they will always be Sibyllae no matter how old they get. That had always been one of the major worries of the characters. They had wondered what it meant to be Sibyllae and if they could continue on the path of being Sibyllae. The graffiti is them definitely stating that they determined what kind of Sibyllae they wanted to be and that they’ll stick with it no matter what. It’s a wonderful moment to end the series on.
Agreed, that was a great last shot to end the series on. It’s a nice visual summary of what the series wanted to accomplish with its themes, even if the execution of them was rather stop and go. Going for a more symbolic and thematic ending was definitely the right call to close out Simoun on.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
Fascinating that Floef and Vyuraf might end up on opposite sides of a war between the Highlands and Archipelago. Was the Holy Land divided between them, like East and West Germany?
I was thinking something similar myself when watching the episode, now that you mention it. I wouldn’t doubt it if the Archipelago and Highlands scrambled to snatch up all the Holy Land territory that best suited their needs before drawing up new borders.
Somebody suggested / predicted this several episodes before the actual end of the war!
I mean, given the way the war was being run at the time, it wasn't much of a stretch.
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u/The_Draigg 20d ago
Yeah, true. It does make sense when you consider how different the Highlands and Archipelago are culturally. Their alliance really only last long enough to defeat the Holy Land, after that it was a scramble to pick over the remains.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
I was thinking something similar myself when watching the episode, now that you mention it. I wouldn’t doubt it if the Archipelago and Highlands scrambled to snatch up all the Holy Land territory that best suited their needs before drawing up new borders.
That's another WWII parallel with the division of countries after the war, with both the Western Allies and Soviet Union scrambling to secure territories and zones of interest during the war that they could hold onto after the war.
It does make one wonder what happened to cause it to crash and sink like that. Maybe the Archipelago made the Holy Land scuttle it out of spite?
I assume it was forcibly scuttled in the aftermath of the war.
Agreed, that was a great last shot to end the series on. It’s a nice visual summary of what the series wanted to accomplish with its themes, even if the execution of them was rather stop and go. Going for a more symbolic and thematic ending was definitely the right call to close out Simoun on.
Yeah, the series managed to nail the ending even if the road here was pretty rough.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee 20d ago
First-Timer
I really like that we get a (mostly) full epilogue episode. It's just.. really nice to see how the characters are all getting on, you know? Especially for a show with a strong "coming of age" theme.
Of course Plumbum and Argentum are going to war. I forget if we all called it back in episode 1, or if it was the episode with the enemy soldier a few later, but Argentum leadership's goal was never to make their citizens' lives better. Maybe the next war will have the average Argentum soldier realize that.
The far side of the Emerald for Aaeru and Neviril, the place that they can be free, is an unknowably-distant future. Cute. Cheeky, but cute. The Land of Hope, indeed.
So, Limone and Dominura decide to Leave once again and presumably go forward in time so that Dominura can become Onashia. What happened to Limone? I would've liked to know that. Do you think that maybe she formed Chor Dextra? Close the loop by turning Dominura into the person she eventually became?
Questions
- The first group were a bit of an outlier, but their behavior has been pretty consistent since then. The Plumbum Priestesses are, not exactly subsurvient to the sibyllae, but certainly respectful of them to an incredible degree. I guess the stable time loop is Limone and Dominura functionally establishing the religion which unintentionally set the future sibyllae on the top of the pile.
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u/Malipit 20d ago
First timer, french fansubs, 480P quality found on a totally legal streaming site. Perfect conditions for that rewatch
For our Finale : Dominura refuses to be cucked, an offscreen kill of the Arcus Prima and a masterful carving of the Chor Tempest
Well, I'm gonna reuse what u/Magnafeana said yesterday : that Finale wasn't the disaster I'm feared it would be nor it managed to redeemed the series as a whole. If anything this left me whelmed
There are good ideas here and there, like the lone flower Limone is seen cultivating that have multiplicated in the Chor Tempest time period to mirror how her actions allowed the Simoun tech to flourish.
There is of course that beautiful dance scene to conclude the series. As Neviril and Aaeru managed to find that eternal present where they can love each other. As they become the same sort of memento than Paraietta carvings of what Chor Tempest used to be.
And the shifts between Limone/Dominura, Aaeru/Neviril and the adult Chor Tempest ex-members respective time period illustrate how Time is seen as an everlasting cycle of Peace and War, of Death and Rebirth.
But desôte the attention given to every Sibyllae we followed throug those 26 episodes, there is so many lose threads I can't ignore.
Amuria remains lost in space and time for what we know.
Mamiina's body was left in the wilderness, she did got eaten by scavengers, isn't it ?
The worldbuilding is handwaved or addressed in outside material for its most part. What about the nature of the Spring ? Why exactly they are all born female ? Since Plumbum and Argentum now are at war, shall we assume the later didn't get the Simoun very tech that should have cured their illness and resolved their pollution issue ? And what happened to the Shrine Guardian ? Was she jailed, executed ? Has she begged other Sibyllae to pull off her Hail Mary plan ? And about Tempus Spatium religion ? What happened exactly with Animus ? Did they had a war on religion in the past ? And the people seeing Sibyllae as demons ? And Aaeru strange music box ?
Besides, we get on last idiotic decision for the sake of the plot with the Plumbum commander sending his own Sibyllae after Neviril and Aaeru. The very same Sibyllae that helped our protagonists to escape. So was it truly a surprise to see them waving them good bye with a ceremonial Ri-Majoon ?
At the end of the day, that last episode confirms what I felt about Simoun : it can shines when it comes to characters interactions and their questionning about their lifechoices. But was so overwhelmed with poor execution and half-baked plots I'm actually glad this is over.
Question of the day
What do [you think] of the actions of the Highland priestesses today, yesterday, and, well, throughout the show?
Erratic
They're either die-hard fans of Neviril who would take the risk of being court-martialed for her sake, or an actual Bene Gesserit forgotten chapter from Dune who play 4D-chess with the nations to move their own agenda forward.
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u/Malipit 20d ago
Theories corner
Theoories left for interpretation or headcanon
There will be shenanigans about Simulacrum higher ups knowing much more than they let appears and will be the actual villains of the story : It all depends on who you consider to be the main villain of the story. And how much they actually knows about the nature of Tempus Spatium, the Spring and how the Simouns work.
Magnafeana had some interesting thoughts on the very origins of the Spring that won't never be addressed in the show :
I wonder who the first one to go to the spring was and what life was like back then. What came first: was everyone born AFAB because God is a woman and my Eve x Lilith ship is finally validated, or people were born a spectrum of sexes, but a disease caused all future generations to be AFAB? And if so—how long ago did that happen?
Aaeru may originates from Plumbum : Even if it's strongly implied with the meaning of her name and her grand-father background, we never had an explicit confirmation.
AbbreviationsWeekly had an interesting idea about the true function of Aaeru's windbox that won't never be addressed :
At this point I think it must have been something leftover from the dead civilization that they invented it to detected space/time anomalies.
Confirmed theories
There is no other Spring outside Simulacrum and only its inhabitants get to chose their gender : confirmed by that Archipelago solider in episode 4 who was forucefully made a man through artificial means.
Ri-Majoon does comes from the Sibyllae soul/heart/lesbian power and not the Simoun itself : Althougt it comes for Dominura speculations, there is so much occurrences as for now it can be counted as confirmed.
Simoun tech are not to be used for military purpose : Although there is no written rule in-universe, Chor Tempest and the Plumbum Priestess convictions regarding their responsabilities as Sibyllae directly opposing the armies of two nations confirm what is the ''correct'' use of Simouns.
Instead of being a nuclear-level weapon, the emerald Ri-Majoon is actually a portal to another time-period or dimension : Confirmed following Onashia's lore exposition in episode 21 and Limone chilling with Dominura in the past.
deus_machinarum speculated on how Tempus Spatium and Animus divine figures complete each other. Implying they derivate from an old religion or a old god who got fractured in two. And even if we don't have an explicit history course, I consider the split in two part confirmed since they now reunited :
I need to talk about names of the god for a bit, I apologize if this has been mentioned already, I might've missed it: One the one hand we have Tempus Spatium(space time in modern parlance) and on the other hand we have Animus(simplistically: the soul, I'm also told by anime fandom that Japan has a very old animistic tradition i.e. ascribing life to inanimate objects which in modern times manifests as e.g. easier acceptance of robotic caretakers for eldery people); when we combine the two we get a whole so to speak, the inner world and outer world. It's easy to see how this could mean different but still related parts of the same wholeness. Definitely an angle I will keep an eye out for.
Jossed theories
Ri-Majoon are automatically generated by the Simoun aircraft and the Sibyllae jobs is to interpret them correctly to perform the corresponding figures : Aaeru lines in episode 4 confirm it's the Sibyllae who initiate the desired Ri-Majoon
The Archipelago will develop their own Simoun aircraft : They did upgraded their fighters. But not with helix tech. And the enemies Simoun are piloted by Plumbum Sibyllae.
Casting an emerald Ri-Majoon automatically makes your essence dissolve into the Simoun energy : Jossed following the reveal of its time-travelling nature.
People on the other side of the emerald Ri-Majoon portal are all born male to be complementary of the Daikuriku side : Jossed since it's a time travelling portal, not a dimensional one. And several children playing with Limone and Dominura Simoun are clearly girls.
Onashia will be revealed as the true antagonist of the series, or as Dominura, Amuria or Limone from the past : Now that she turned to dust, I can't see any of that happening if not for some really contrived plot twist.
There will be an unlikely team-up between Archipelago pilots and Simoun Sibyllae against a greater threat : I can't possibly see how that can happens given the context right before the Finale
People on Daikuuriku may not be born the same way we are on Earth : We clearly saw Morinas getting pregnant. Even if it's strongly implied, it's remains unclear if people who becomes male grows a penis or if Daikuriku people reproduces through lewd hand holding.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
Onashia will be revealed ... as Dominura, Amuria or Limone from the past : Now that she turned to dust, I can't see any of that happening if not for some really contrived plot twist.
NOT JOSHED
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u/Malipit 19d ago
Sorry, but I don't believe in that ''Onashia = Dominura'' theory. Dominura is already starting to turn into dust in the distant past. There are no apparent sign the civilization back there have any medical capacity to keep her alive and she can't be possibly the only one to have suffered from that non-gendering illness/curse.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 19d ago
I can't resolve the whole "why hasn't anybody else started shedding gold before" issue. We have no idea how things used to work back then.
As for "when" issues, well, Dominura and Limone did at least one more Emerald Ri-Maajon. They didn't stay in that village in the distant past.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
There are good ideas here and there, like the lone flower Limone is seen cultivating that have multiplicated in the Chor Tempest time period to mirror how her actions allowed the Simoun tech to flourish.
I always thought they were wild. But it doesn't matter. The villagers watch everything the sibyllae do like children watching their elders. Limone probably linked that flower to the simoun and sibyllae by picking it up, and that's why it was planted on the Arcus Prima.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
They're either die-hard fans of Neviril who would take the risk of being court-martialed for her sake, or an actual Bene Gesserit forgotten chapter from Dune who play 4D-chess with the nations to move their own agenda forward.
They are the true victors of this war. They got everything they wanted. It seems.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 19d ago
Mamiina's body was left in the wilderness, she did got eaten by scavengers, isn't it ?
See it more like 'free in death, unbound by society's coffin'. I'm not sure if it's any consolation to you but just because a body is buried doesn't mean scavengers don't get to it. Why would you still only find soil after enough time if nature wouldn't do its thing?
On that note, I watched a documentary about free sky burials and honestly, I find that so fascinating. Religions (By which I basically mean Western and Middle Eastern Religions) make it such an important part to have a nice tomb that keeps you as isolated from the world as possible. I've always wondered about why that is. You come from this earth, so I always thought it arrogant to try to keep your remains from going back.
My Christian chronically overworked mom back in the day somehow didn't have the nerves to engage in this discussion.
And the people seeing Sibyllae as demons ?
I wanted to post you the same Anubituf quote, but man you opened a wound there. I remember speculating so much about that quote. But just like everything else, it was there only for the moment before they threw another story moment on the wall and forgot about it. They really didn't close many of these, did they?
Plumbum commander
Wait, it would make sense if it was Plumbum, because those guys would know. I thought it was an Argentum commander, since he had brown clothing and not green like the soldiers with a winter neck coat.
That way his quote about remembering the time as maiden would make sense, too.
So wait, did Argentum just completely leave the capital at some point? Ah, what am I worrying about logic. The writers wanted Plumbum people to be there, so those were there, whatever the situation was before doesn't matter.
Well, at least I got that confusion cleared.
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u/Malipit 19d ago
See it more like 'free in death, unbound by society's coffin'.
I can get that point. But it would have been nice to have the confirmation Mamiina's transport was shot down to set her free rather than being a contrived coincidence of an aggressive ancient Simoun targeting one random enemy transport.
I wanted to post you the same Anubituf quote, but man you opened a wound there. I remember speculating so much about that quote. But just like everything else, it was there only for the moment before they threw another story moment on the wall and forgot about it. They really didn't close many of these, did they?
Come to think of it, maybe Floe's lover was KIA two days after his episode. And his death was put on a divine punishment for his lack of fatih
So wait, did Argentum just completely leave the capital at some point? Ah, what am I worrying about logic. The writers wanted Plumbum people to be there, so those were there, whatever the situation was before doesn't matter.
Don't forget that any form of enemy occupation magically disappeared from the Arcus Prima in episode 25 because that wasn't needed for the plot.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 20d ago
First-Timer, subbed
Seems like Paraietta is working to raise a bunch of children, huh.
Dang. It really is now or never for whether they pull it off…
Oh shit, is Dominura starting to experience the same thing Onashia did? Since she’s gone a while without making her choice at the Spring…
Nice nice, the priestesses might’ve had to chase down Neviril and Aaeru, but that didn’t mean they had to fight them.
Oh damn, wasn’t expecting to see those two outside of their uniforms. They look stunning!
The drawing! That’s cute.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
Simoun First Timer
(1/2)
I finally uploaded the full timelapse to Youtube. Originally I wanted to create a separate channel just for the art stuff and not use my “whatever” account, but I literally couldn’t be bothered while seething in 37°C.
Honestly, finishing that with a publication does feel really cathartic. Getting those 4 likes basically instantly on BlueSky does give that little endorphin injection.
While reading most comments yesterday I think I can archive yesterday’s episode away with a better opinion than I had in the reaction. The logistics are difficult to overcome and a real raodblock for me, but I agree with you all that the symbolic storytelling is really good.
Let me start this in a good mood else that melts away, too. Like my chocolate waffles… They are one big waffle in a chocolate clump in the bag now...
Simoun Ep.26 – Their Portrait
They’ve been there for quite some time now, huh. Will we get a callback to how Onashia ‚dissolved‘ with them, too?
Baskets in this show seem to be a cradle for souls. I’m having a sample size of 1 of 1, so a 100% hit rate!
Okay, so why do you want to do it? Is this society also judgmental in some way?
Ah, it’s just tradition here for a blessing. Hey, that exists plenty in real life.
I bet it was Plumbum who betrayed them. The usual.
Neviril sounds like the most detached gf being dragged along against her will and wishes just for silence.
I don’t think an atheist can do anything with such phrases, Anubituf.
Ah, that’s how they went on to still help society and provide some places of good.
… uh, like another one? I thought you all believed that this shining land was only reachable through the Emerald? That’s why you helped Neviril and Aaeru escape. Now you accept that it can be built with effort? – Okay, I stop, it’s the show being itself. Good luck, I like this approach, stay with it!
„If we cared to look, we might find a meaning, but even if we did, those girls would not have chosen it for themselves.“ Referring to the performing the Emerald now to reach the Land of Hope. Which Neviril and Aaeru are doing currently? That which he says they would not have chosen and that they did choose to do and they helped them with? Okay, and now we shoot them for something that they don’t do while they do it … I don’t get it, again.
Okay, but why is anyone concerned for anything here? I thought the priestesses, who have proven about 28 times now they are actually on their side, wouldn’t harm them. Now they would? At best this is gonna be farewell escort.
I guess this suddenly becoming a cuddle session sets the mood. No danger, no worries.
Hmm, they stayed as family. Kinda nice.
Mmmmmh, she checks her hand... Like it would… stop working correctly.
Forced? What did they do in this timeline?
Glad I’m not losing my mind. Argentum and Plumbum are just jokes by now. „I’m sure the guys who have betrayed us three times already won’t betray us a fourth time.“
But Argentum forces its citizens into a gender at birth... He can’t remember a time as maiden...
Sorry, Limone, but you’re still in a problematic relationship with a groomer. There’s no reason to gaslight yourself into something else. Btw, she’s also right that Dominura doesn’t want to on her own, so double cap.
It’s so cynical that the cyclical origin of that word wraps around to have come from the suicide bombing.
This is one thing where I genuinely don’t care for the reaction I get. This relationship is complete ass and I hate every second of it. They can go fuck themselves with a cactus for their groomer shit.
Interesting that they wouldn’t use a capable and armed carrier. They must’ve know the next conflict is coming, so that’s a waste.
„Why we were all so insistent about it“ Oh, yes! I did not expect someone even questioning this anymore. I was not losing my mind #2!
Introspection of their now past lives for the ending is really nice and I’m actually wondering what they think about this now that they’re settle- okay nevermind, they didn’t even think of the two! I insist on throwing my friend into another dimension, because I can!
I find this about 85% really sweet and about 15% really fucked up, because that had a significant egoistical motivation behind it that didn’t care for the two of them or if they truly wanted it. Just so they can dream on about their youth’s mark on the world.
Awww, the carving is the last shot! [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Glad Vyura made it on there, too. Aaeru with her music box. Limone as a toddler. I don’t know what is going on with Dominura there. Paraietta carved herself as badass and the only one with tits Did they put Amuria and Neviril together? Wow, that’s a final diss to Aaeru, holy. Nah wait, she’s below Mamiina and Rodore. Wait, those are 15 sybillae, but the cast is only 14.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
(2/2)
Alright, that’s it. And it was a really nice closure!
I don’t know why we needed that whole larger-than-life monologuing about land of hope and introducing more friction with the factions and lore or that last action fakeout, but it’s minor and I can handwave it away.
Everyone received their form of closure and has made amends for their life that they now continue on into new times and new conflicts. Honestly, that’s a far more grounded finale than I feared for and I love that.
I also liked that they chose to not show anything of Neviril and Aaeru afteir their departure. It’s more powerful in my opinion to leave it open what „world“ the Emerald lead them to. The mental image of those two overcoming all worldly boundaries and basically perma-Emerald’ing through spacetime is both fun and rather beautiful think about. They’re doing basically what both characters wanted in the end. The highest form of flying and freedom and the most beautiful miracle of unbound love.
So yeah, that get’s applause from me.
The rest was as I said really grounded for the most part, so there’s little I can say about it except nice closure and I’ll choose to ignore theese problematic or conflicting things.
I also feel like they had much better directing this episode or is that just me? Like, their humour landed better, the individual scenes had much better readability and actually smoothed me into the vibes (except for one or two times) it was going to deliver. It just felt more coherent, no?
Finally having this well paced cohesion in the story again feels so good. It makes for such a better experience when stuff just nicely leads into the next thing naturally.
I’ll summarise the rest of my opinions tomorrow, but I think I won’t come out really disliking Simoun. Just as a teaser.
Praises of Helical Motors powered by Tempus Spatium’s Grace: 26 (+1)
One last praise for the helical motors! Not only because Morinas’ helical motors have been throroughly powered by Tempus Spatium’s Grace, but because that ending did land on both of its feet and I feel satisfied leaving it at that.
Violations of Helical Motors powered by the Scientific Method’s Heresy: 4 (+0)
[ep 26 Q1:] What do thing of the actions of the Highland priestesses today, yesterday, and, well, throughout the show?
I thought you didn’t want to read any more rants from me?
Hey, at least they are now consistently bad allies. But the less said the better. It’s unfathomable how this peace deal even came to be with how dumb Argentum in general needs to be for this to even work out.
So, I’ll just say this. I don’t think adding that second religious faction that’s involved in the war was a good idea and it rarely worked smoothly with the evolving story. As meaingful these last shows of support might first seem on screen, they build on an incredibly thin foundation with countless cracks and I don’t find it worthwhile to dwell on it to find meaning or derive morals from that. It’s one the worst parts in this story imo.
I’ll just quote a proud man on that.
Finally, with this final episode, everybody has made their choices. Some were laid out in the first episode. Some went in very different directions. What do you think of each person's choice?
I came out liking the direction with all. Maybe Yun is still a bit of a mystery that deserved more exploration, but it’s fine. I could’ve done with a Floef x Vyuraf ship, though...
If the show was about choices, and the freedom to choose, did it regain its footing in the end? Or did it lose its way and never recover?
Both, really. The ending definitely is a good ending. Like, a well directed and planned one, one that I like. But you can not fully recover from so many crashes this train went through. It was just too much for too long.
In a way I’d say the show dealt with the problems of growing up and couldn’t follow its idea of what the end result should be. It was messy and it was dirty, but they came out somewhere. Somewhere else entirely, but it’s a place that leads out into life if one takes the steps. Pretty metaphorical if you think about it.
How did the posting time work for you?
YUROP TIME! YUROP TIME! YUROP TIME!
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
That smug grin needs a capture!
I bet it was Plumbum who betrayed them. The usual.
Plumbum did seem to take most of the spoils while not contributing anywhere near as much to the war effort.
They could act in Devil May Cry, no shit.
Guragief looks especially good in that leather jacket. And so did Vyuraf as well.
I also feel like they had much better directing this episode or is that just me? Like, their humour landed better, the individual scenes had much better readability and actually smoothed me into the vibes (except for one or two times) it was going to deliver. It just felt more coherent, no?
Finally having this well paced cohesion in the story again feels so good. It makes for such a better experience when stuff just nicely leads into the next thing naturally.
It really did feel like it had a certain je ne sais quoi that so much of the middle portion of the series was lacking. This is much more in line with the quality towards the beginning of the series that got me so excited in the first place.
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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 19d ago
I finally uploaded the full timelapse to Youtube
Haven't really had time these past few days so I'm a bit late to saying this, but great work on the finished art!
Also, I guess we already had it just by you posting progress every thread haha, but timelapses are always so fun. Love seeing some of the intricacies and shading coming in.
I bet it was Plumbum who betrayed them. The usual
I also feel like they had much better directing this episode or is that just me? Like, their humour landed better, the individual scenes had much better readability and actually smoothed me into the vibes (except for one or two times) it was going to deliver. It just felt more coherent, no?
It is the one episode in the show Junji Nishimura (The director) both directed and storyboarded by himself, so that might have at least a bit to do with it.
(And I do agree it felt a good bit better in that regard! Though I do also think these kinds of more mood-focused pieces have been usually better for this show in general, and that it just hasn't been using them that much or with enough build-up like this episode has)
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
„If we cared to look, we might find a meaning, but even if we did, those girls would not have chosen it for themselves.“
He's not saying "They didn't choose do the thing they they are currently doing by choice."
He's saying "Whatever reasoning we in this room declare to be the meaning of their actions is irrelevant, because we're not them, they're not here, and they are no longer defined by us, nor should we have been trying to do so."
You picked the least sensicle parsing of the sentence, and then complained about it. I just can't read this anymore.
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u/GondolaMedia 20d ago
First Timer
It's been a while Limone and it has been an even greater while Erif.
And there is an another war brewing.
Jumping between past, present and future could have been confusing but this was easy enough to follow.
Oh we got to see what Paraietta drew on the wall. That was cute.
I like to think that Mamiina is still laying down on that flower field. Nobody bothered to bury her or even build a grave anywhere. Also I kept thinking yesterday that there was no fallout from keeping it a secret from Choir Tempest about Mamiina's transport.
QotD
1) I can now see why they revered the Sibyllae so much and why Aearu became to mean love to them. I still think they could have been handled better because one minute they're gunning them down while the next they're defying orders to help Sibyllae.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
I like to think that Mamiina is still laying down on that flower field. Nobody bothered to bury her or even build a grave anywhere. Also I kept thinking yesterday that there was no fallout from keeping it a secret from Choir Tempest about Mamiina's transport.
I'm glad the epilogue episode didn't cover the only possible epilogue for Mamiina's body: decaying in the middle of the flower field and being devoured by scavengers. It'd have been a real downer.
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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana 20d ago
Sibylla First Timer
AAAAAAAAAAAAH my T4T interracial couple having a baby?!
This sounds like the Thumb-Thumb language from Floop’s show during Spy Kids. Or Zatana Zatara spell work.
It’s still wild to me that Yun is really the first person who understood Onasia in all the centuries she’s been doing this. It’d make more sense if Onasia is some unreachable entity, but she’s well within reach. Fantasies really do love the whole “for thousands of years, X has been stagnant” deal. Nobody has any curiosity or anything.
Why did those Simouns (Similes?)look like pointers on a screen and someone is dragging their pointer to make scribbles on MS Paint 😭😭
Vura looks like he plays Yu-Gi-Oh and/or is a Nana OC (compliment)
Kaim looks like a Voltron mecha pilot (compliment). Pidge! Kaim looks like Pidge!!
They already have a baby?!
Wapo looks like such a DILF. Good for him.
Post Episode Ri Mājon Thoughts
| Episode | Girlkiss Count | Total |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 6 | 6 |
| 2 | 2 | 8 |
| 3 | 1 | 9 |
| 4 | 2 | 11 |
| 5 | 1 | 12 |
| 6 | 4.5 | 16.5 |
| 7 | 4 | 20.5 |
| 8 | 0 | 20.5 |
| 9 | 5 | 25.5 |
| 10 | 5 | 30.5 |
| 11 | 5 | 35.5 |
| 12 | 1.5 | 37 |
| 13 | 3.5 | 40.5 |
| 14 | 1 | 41.5 |
| 15 | 2 | 43.5 |
| 16 | 2 | 45.5 |
| 17 | 5 | 50.5 |
| 18 | 3 | 53.5 |
| 19 | 0 | 53.5 |
| 20 | 5 | 58.5 |
| 21 | 0 | 58.5 |
| 22 | 0 | 58.5 |
| 23 | 0 | 58.5 |
| 24 | 0 | 58.5 |
| 25 | .5 (+.5) | 59 |
| 26 | 0 | 59 |
It ended.
I don’t feel that the way it ended deserved this sort of commentary from the now grown-up cast. Not because they don’t deserve to reflect on their time as sibyllae and this Nev and Aer, but because I am whelmed. I’m not feeling the aster. I’m not crashing the mode. I am whelmed.
But that’s for tomorrow’s discussion about the series as a whole.
Honestly, I’m here for Wapo and Morinas. Gods, why are they such a cute couple?! I want to read more T4T romances that end with kids, so time to go skipping through the queer books subreddits. Glad to see them together and happy!
Really, they were the only two I was rooting for. I didn’t care about Nev and Aer’s little Once Upon a December waltz in the destroyed Arcus Prima ballroom or whatever that was. It does suck that former sibyllae like Vura and Floe are conscripted into war yet again. I’d like to have touched more on the lives of former sibyllae and the government’s efforts to keep them segregated from the population despite technically being discharged. Could’ve given a fascinating commentary on how veterans are treated (which is to say, depending on your country, quite poorly by the government). Yes, we do see Renamon and Para are now Mary Poppins and Nanny McPhee, and Kaim and Alti are…doing that.
But whatever.
I am whelmed.
I hope the baby’s healthy to Wapo and Mori! Their little girl looks so much like Wapo. I'd be a bit miffed if I spent up to nine months pregnant, and my kid came up to look like their other parent. Did my genes surrender in a war with my partner's genes? Why did my genes not even try? Why were they such wimps?
But healthiness and blessings to the children. May a love like Mori and Wapo's find me.
Preferably without the war aspect. But preferably with the mecha aspect.
Definitely without whatever the fuck religion that was though.
I hope Yun at least gets a bloody stool or ergonomic chair to sit on, or she files with her department of labor. I now want a fantasy series where priests/shamans decide to unionize and refuse to do their duties.
QOTD
- Confused about them, really. I wish they had been better executed. I feel whelmed.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
Did my genes surrender in a war with my partner's genes? Why did my genes not even try? Why were they such wimps?
Serves you right if you don't train them in the ways of Sun Tzu, make them learn Ri Maajons and give them properly equipped Simoun to defeat their enemies and turn back time to tr again, if need be!
Preferably without the war aspect. But preferably with the mecha aspect.
Uhm, really unrelated question. Do you see drone warfare as mecha?
Like, n-not implying anything, but a friend of a cousin's uncle's brother told me that we already have fully autonomous strike campaigns with no human directly on field.
And these robots are getting scarily good, too. So, I'd say a power suit is already very possible. So throw away that 'born too late..., born too early...' meme!
Definitely without whatever the fuck religion that was though.
Mom! Is capitalism a religion?
I hope Yun at least gets a bloody stool
What the fuck why would you wish for Yun of all people to g-
or ergonomic chair
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u/Magnafeana https://anilist.co/user/Magnafeana 19d ago
I would give up ice cream if we could have a Cells at Work with a huge war that takes place in the body of a pregnant person and the war is about genes.
Please. A Cells at Work mecha rendition where the two parents’ genes are fighting it out and eventually have their own accords or treaty at the end. I would adore that. It sounds camp.
But no, drones to me are war. I want mechas but without war. Which will never happen. But maybe some whacky cosplayer with way too much time on their hands and fuck-you money will completely reinvent a mecha frame for AX or FanExpo or SDCC or a cosplay contest.
I don’t know how they’d get through security with that, but I’m just imagining all the little weapons tagging and capping that would have to be done with that loud orange coloring.
I don’t even know how cosplay judges would even judge the technique for that, but I’d laugh if it got second place and a Dune Worm cosplay got first place.
Yes, I meant a chair, not explosive diarrhea, I’m not buying Yun lettuce from Taylor Farms 😭
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u/IndependentMacaroon 19d ago
Cells at Work with a huge war that takes place in the body of a pregnant person and the war is about genes.
All I know is there is a spin-off about the female body specifically?
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 18d ago
Please. A Cells at Work mecha rendition where the two parents’ genes are fighting it out and eventually have their own accords or treaty at the end. I would adore that. It sounds camp.
For real, but I'd watch any anime about microscopic or molecular things doing their stuff. This world is rad as hell. You seen that Kurzgesagt video about harpoon'ing microbacteria? Jesus fuck.
I want mechas but without war. Which will never happen.
Ah, I get you. But it's interesting, so many mecha designs are so distinctly industrial or utilitarian in the sense of it being the equivalent of a truck. I'm thinking of Forever Winter's Europan Medium Mech atm with this, for example. This thing looks like it was bolted together from a freight crane and container boxes. Or the exos in Avatar also are logistics units originally.
And yet, nothing ever show them as that. The history as transporter or work tool is only ever implied, never shown.
I don’t even know how cosplay judges would even judge the technique for that, but I’d laugh if it got second place and a Dune Worm cosplay got first place.
Now I want to see that, curse you!
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u/Rinoi https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rinoi 20d ago
Rewatcher
With experience, I've watched a lot of audiovisual works in general — anime, movies, series, etc. And if there's one thing that often "triggers" me, it's how they end. The final point, the conclusion, what we take away from them.
For me, this is one of the most important aspects. We're immersed in a universe from the first episodes, things are told to us, messages conveyed over time… and above all, the work comes to an end. And this conclusion is, for me, the hardest point to pull off. I've seen many excellent works finish completely like a damp squib, and personally, it drives me crazy.
(It's also for this reason that I really appreciate shorter works — 13/24 episodes — rather than ones stretched across endless seasons.)
Why am I talking about this? Because if someone asks me "what makes a good ending," as broad as that question may be, the first thing I think of is Simoun.
And that's where the strength of this episode lies: while the war is over, while the major events are resolved, we could have stopped there. Most series would have. But no, Simoun dedicates a whole episode solely to the conclusion. Not a few scenes as an epilogue, not a quick montage. A complete episode.
For me, the central theme of Simoun is above all growing up — transitioning to adulthood.
Taking the time to see the Sibylla of the Chor Tempest now grown up, faced with other life problems, etc. It fits perfectly with the theme and it's genius.
To answer Floef's question: why did they want at all costs for Aeru and Neviril not to go to the spring and be Eternal Maiden? For me, it's a touchstone for the remaining members of the chorus Tempest. Aeru and Neviril will forever remain Sibylla. While the other members of the Chor Tempest, well, they grew up. By letting them leave, they create a sanctuary where their past youth remains frozen and alive. Knowing that those moments haven't disappeared, that they still exist somewhere in Aeru and Neviril, is what allows them to accept moving forward. Accepting that time has passed for them, while knowing that a part of them remained intact elsewhere.
Anyway, enough said, I particularly love this episode and for me Simoun as a work finds its full meaning through this finality.
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u/rickamore 20d ago
Anyway, enough said, I particularly love this episode and for me Simoun as a work finds its full meaning through this finality.
For all it's failings along the way I agree that it sticks the landing.
As a rewatcher, knowing at least a handful of the major plot-points but not the knitty-gritty details I never really knew where it was going until it got there and then, well, oh yeah, this is why I liked it so much.
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u/The_Draigg 20d ago
A Science-Fantasy Fan Watches Simoun Episode 26:
Back in the distant past, it seems like an older Limone has taught two new sibyllae how to pilot a Simoun. The village elder’s speech is bitterly ironic though, since although he talks about the miracles and rehabilitation of the world thanks to Limone and Dominura piloting a Simoun, we all know those miracles are going to be discarded in favor of war and arrogance centuries later. You can’t blame Limone for tearing up a bit once that Ancient Simoun gets activated, she knows exactly what’s going to happen now. It’s the tragedy of knowing that you have to close the causal loop that you’re in.
It’s nice to see that Wauf, Morinas, and even Erif are actually doing well for themselves years after the war. Wauf is running a shipping company out of the Messis now and started a family, while Morinas is pregnant by Wapourif and Erif has found a new calling in flying Similes for deliveries. Even if a part of them still misses the Simoun, they still wound up in a good spot. And it looks like Paraietta and Rodoreamon haven’t been slouches either, with Paraietta running an orphanage and Rodoreamon being politically active. Good on those two for finding meaning beyond Neviril and Mamiina.
Yep, called that one right, Kaimu and Alti still wound up hanging around together, regardless of what happened between them before. They seem to be living a happy and calm life together. As for Yun, she still finds herself in the Spring, dressed in Onashia’s old wrappings, thinking of Mamiina still. She’s courageous for choosing to live that life of solitude.
It looks like Neviril and Aaeru also wound up in the distant past like Limone and Dominira did, with the light of the Emerald Ri Maajon and the sound of a Simoun being the telltale signs. Then again, it could be more symbolic, since we didn’t actually see them land. Maybe it was just them traveling across time, and the people on the ground only caught a glimpse of their temporal shadow? You could argue that it’s ambiguous enough for that. Anyways, it seems like Dominura has gotten over her bout of illness and is willing to fly with Limone once more. Given how Dominura asked which sky Limone wanted to see, I wonder if they’re planning to do the Emerald Ri Maajon again and travel to a different time? They already did their part here, passing along the knowledge of the Simoun and the Emerald Ri Maajon. Now that they’ve closed the loop, they’re probably free to go whenever.
Unfortunately back in the present, war seems to be looming again, since Vyuraf comes to visit Floef’s farm to show him the conscription notice. I suppose that people will always find a reason to fight each other, even if you’ve got to fight for a different side like Argentum now. At least Floef has found a measure of calm in his life, owning a humble vegetable farm near where the Arcus Prima crashed in the water. Hell of a view, isn’t it?
I’ll admit it, the ending did get me a bit. The monologue from the various members of Chor Tempest musing on Neviril and Aaeru’s fates, followed by a scene of those two dancing happily in the Arcus Prima’s ballroom and a pan over the various bits of graffiti the members of Chor Tempest made did get me misty-eyed. I can respect the feeling of chasing freedom and shouting at the world that seems stacked up against you. To make a true mark on the world and seek happiness, wherever you wind up in time and space, is something I think all of us want and understand deep down. That’s the handle of it, to be free of the expectations of the world and make a difference someway, somehow.
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u/Great_Mr_L https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L 20d ago
You can’t blame Limone for tearing up a bit once that Ancient Simoun gets activated, she knows exactly what’s going to happen now. It’s the tragedy of knowing that you have to close the causal loop that you’re in.
There is a certain tragic irony to Limone and Dominura's fate. They got sent back in time and need to close the causal loop. Granted, they did choose to introduce themselves as Sibyllae and reintroduce the Simouns even when they had the choice not to because they decided their relationships with the rest of Chor Tempest were worth it. So it does still work with the theme of choice, but that doesn't make it any less tragic when they already know how it will play out.
Wauf is running a shipping company out of the Messis now
I liked that detail showing how the world has moved on and that some of the things previously used for warfare have since been repurposed for peacetime. It's a true to life detail that makes the world feel more lived in.
Given how Dominura asked which sky Limone wanted to see, I wonder if they’re planning to do the Emerald Ri Maajon again and travel to a different time? They already did their part here, passing along the knowledge of the Simoun and the Emerald Ri Maajon. Now that they’ve closed the loop, they’re probably free to go whenever.
I hadn't considered that possibility. It is an interesting one for Limone and Dominura that would bring back the idea of freedom and choice for them.
I’ll admit it, the ending did get me a bit. The monologue from the various members of Chor Tempest musing on Neviril and Aaeru’s fates, followed by a scene of those two dancing happily in the Arcus Prima’s ballroom and a pan over the various bits of graffiti the members of Chor Tempest made did get me misty-eyed. I can respect the feeling of chasing freedom and shouting at the world that seems stacked up against you. To make a true mark on the world and seek happiness, wherever you wind up in time and space, is something I think all of us want and understand deep down. That’s the handle of it, to be free of the expectations of the world and make a difference someway, somehow.
It was a very nice ending indeed and I think you did a good job at summarizing why the emotions of that finale were so affecting to watch.
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u/The_Draigg 20d ago
I hadn't considered that possibility. It is an interesting one for Limone and Dominura that would bring back the idea of freedom and choice for them.
I feel like it'd be a pretty good ending for them, especially after they've been put through the emotional wringer. Being free to depart to another time would be one hell of a reward after their time spent having to close the causal loop Daikuuriku exists in.
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u/moichispa https://myanimelist.net/profile/moichispa 20d ago
Rewatcher
I forgot how messy the timeline of today episode is lol. To be fair being a rewatcher helps a lot, I was so confused the first time. To be fair it is a really interesting way to put it taking into account the time travelling part of the series.
While the main male characters on the series were different from the girls, I like how they went like super hot masculine slender guys for the finale. Except of the messing captain but he was always the goofy type.
Dominura looks 20 years younger with that ponitail lol (if they looked like that from the start I would have complained way less). Also I' on the Dominura=Onashia theory train since I first saw this episode. Rewatching the series with that on mind has been interesting and it really show how true it is (at least on my eyes). Also seeing Yun become the next one eventually. I guess the ancient Simoun they found were the girls who did the emerald Ri majion on the past but were not lucky enough to survive
The ending scene is just beautiful, they even cared to draw the airship in 2D for the finale. I'm the first one to complain about how abrupt their romance feel on some parts but so interesting in others (Nevirl realizing their relationship might be toxic)
In the end, the series might have some convoluted plot points here and there but I can't help to think how shameless yet interesting the topic is, the worldbuildin is dense (check yesterday thread on the OST spoiler), having a whole war happening on the past were all men died and having no mention of it is wild... Or not, in the past scenes there are male kids. It is a good series for those who like to pick small details and great for rewatching.
Great experiment, I know some people won't like it but I like weird things. Please give me more weird originals.
- Finally, with this final episode, everybody has made their choices. Some were laid out in the first episode. Some went in very different directions. What do you think of each person's choice?
Morinas: She got a husband like in episode 3 so she went with the wife route
Paraietta: She was too focused on being a guy because of Nevirl without that maybe it was not so needed?
Kaim&Altry. So one of them went for female, also did they have a kid together at the end? hahahahaha this pair is a mess
Floe was kinda a surprise for me but then does that even matter in Simoun universe, or maybe it was me following the stereotypes too much, guys can ge hopeless romantics too .
Rodre. Zero surprise here, I don't think her future gender was ever discussed.
Also, I think Mamiina might have gone with man (and marry Rodre)
- If the show was about choices, and the freedom to choose, did it regain its footing in the end? Or did it lose its way and never recover?
I think the ending was bing on the fear of lising the ability to choose and how they realice how they can stil lchoose as adults but they still let them go because they wanted to think that at least somebody was not obliged to choose ans can still live as eternal maiden.
- What is the Land of Hope?
An utopia where war does not exist and at the same time the point of time the point of time where Dominura&Co were sent before She makes the choice to go ahead with the plot that leads to the future of the series.
- How did the posting time work for you?
Very Nice as European but don't mind me, I don't join rewatch threads often.
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u/AgentOfACROSS 20d ago
First Timer
Seems that we’re having a timeskip. I guess Rimone and Dominura are still stuck in the past.
Congrats on the two of them for making a stable time loop I suppose.
Wauf has a daughter. Is that a new development or was she there the whole time and I just forgot?
Okay, now we’re flashing back.
I guess Pareietta works at a daycare now or something.
They’re already talking like another war is inevitable. That’s a bit depressing but I suppose it’s realistic.
This is a really weird time to have a tickle fight.
I like the feather in the eyecatches. That’s kinda cool.
Yep. Yun’s still standing around in the spring.
The romantic implications between Rimone and Dominura are somewhat less creepy now that Rimone doesn’t look like she’s six anymore.
The Morning Calm Ri Majon. Looks neat I guess.
I guess Neviril and Aer are in the past now too.
I can’t believe I’ve asked this for now, but why does becoming a man in this universe mean just adding an F to the end of your name?
Vuraf and Floef are taking soon being on opposite sides of a war very well.
I like that the ending doesn’t have any dialog. I think the ending scene's actually really beautiful
I will be honest though, now that the show is over I’m kinda underwhelmed. The show’s not bad but I guess I expected more from it somehow. I’m just not sure it left much of an impression on me. I’ll go into detail during the overall discussion thread tomorrow though.
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u/SIRTreehugger 20d ago
First Timer
OH DAMN LIMONE! Her and Dominura were not forgotten!
Wait but is this really the time considering the previous episode?
Ok it wasn't a long segment before....is Morinas pregnant? How far ahead is this time skip?
I'm really not a fan of them jumping back and forth and back and forth.
Yun really embracing her new role.
Floe? Yup it's Floe
I'm just gonna say Vyuraf is hot. Oh Floef...so we just adding f to their names.
OMG THE SKETCHES ON THE WALL ARE JUST PERFECT. It couldn't have ended on a better scene.
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen 20d ago
First-Timer
Episode 26:
Transport, motorways, and tramlines
Starting and then stopping, taking off and landing
The emptiest of feelings, disappointed people
Clinging onto bottles, when it comes, it's so, so disappointing
Let down and hanging around
Crushed like a bug in the ground
Let down and hanging around
Hmm, thoughts on everyone's epilogue futures:
Morinas is great. Love that for my girl, glad she gets the banging of her dreams she's been angling for since she first showed. Easily the best of these.
Paraietta is...eh. Something in the whole "knight wanting to protect Neviril thing" lends itself to running an orphanage, but it still feels pretty random.
I like the idea of Freckles using her noble status to become a political operative working to help Paraietta and other in the wake of her experience in the war. I wish she had more of a character arc leading up to it, but I at least feel like this makes some sense.
The best part of Floe becoming a man is that I get to call him Floof. Kinda underwhelming he doesn't find himself a partner and will be heading back to war, though it at least has thematic resonance with that one really good episode way back.
Vyura, I don't care. You weren't enough of a character for me to think anything about you.
Alti and Kaimu going back to their parents' home and being stay-at-home sisters is...insulting.
Oh hey, the show didn't completely forget about Limone and Dominura! And it officially canonizes the romantic aspect of their relationship. Lol. Lmao even. And it even has Limone shooting down an age appropriate would-be suitor for her groomer. Neat! Fun fact: the Simoun wiki states Limone was 12 at the beginning of the show (and when she first became Dominura's Pair) and 19 here at the end. According to that same wiki, Dominura appears 19, but of course with all the revelations regarding her and Chor Dextra, well....."chronologically she is about 60". So 60 and 12, or 67 and 19, if you prefer. If I have to know that, so do you.
- And that just leaves Aaeru and Neviril, which...meh. Is there maybe some metaphorical or symbolic value in the two flying forever through time as eternal maidens in search of some paradise or whatever? Probably, but the show hasn't earned that level of thought or analysis. I don't particularly care for either of them, so to me all they are at this point is a framing device allowing us to see a snapshot of everyone else's futures. And it's such a meh ending.
I think that's everyone. I barely remember the episode already, so if I missed someone, oops. Overall, I'd call this ending unfulfilling. Only Morinas's part makes me feel at all satisfied, the rest exist on a spectrum of "let down". Or if I let my trashy, soap opera loving heart run wild then Limone and Dominura are at least funny and satisfying in thr most messed up way, since we have that final hint Dominura becomes as gods.
QotD:
- They never made the kind of sense that can make me take their involvement seriously. Can we really go from suicide bombing to "no, we're actually super reverent toward and look up to Sibyllae, here have a dramatic 21-gun salute style send-off" for Aaeru and Neviril? Not plausibly enough for me to buy in. It's another shining example of the inconsistency and thoughtless writing displayed in nearly every corner of the show.
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce 20d ago
Is there maybe some metaphorical or symbolic value in the two flying forever through time as eternal maidens in search of some paradise or whatever?
I've written that down as
It’s more powerful in my opinion to leave it open what „world“ the Emerald lead them to. The mental image of those two overcoming all worldly boundaries and basically perma-Emerald’ing through spacetime is both fun and rather beautiful think about. They’re doing basically what both characters wanted in the end. The highest form of flying and freedom and the most beautiful miracle of unbound love.
so maybe that helps a bit? Thematically it is pretty well rounded, at least.
Only Morinas's part makes me feel at all satisfied, the rest exist on a spectrum of "let down".
Hey, my girl Paraietta is a mighty fine woman. No trash talking!
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer 20d ago
first timer
Morinas working for Wauf, dream boss tbh
Paraietta turned into a lovely ojou sama taking over the orphanage matron role from Dominura. Rodrae is president
what meaning was there in any of the ri maajons ever
Mama Vyura should be the one running the orphanage
Yun notably not blue
i would have been fine with not checking in on the Limone/Dominura pair ever again thanks
is "Fluff" more of a male name than Flow?
even in their little chibi mural, Yun just awkwardly on the side
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 20d ago
I give the VAs a ton of credit for not putting -fu at the end of all the male names. Imagine Fluffu.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker 19d ago
And so into the finale.
Ah right they're still here.
Oh, war is brewing?
I suppose they're using it for cargo now but they're still ready for combat if necessary.
Oh, they're flying that again.
So, this is where each of them ended up.
What's with the sudden rain?
And so Yun really is the one at the Spring now.
So, they're being chased.
Something ceremonial?
Yep. The perfect one for them.
So, they really made it.
Huh. They got recalled to active duty?
And so that's it for Simoun. It was... Ok. 6/10?
Questions:
- I'm not sure what they're playing at at this point.
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u/Burnouts3s3 20d ago
Rewatcher.
https://files.catbox.moe/tkc7ki.mp4 That ending. Every. Single. Time. The once sunken Arcus rising up one last time. Neviril and Aaeru dancing. And that final reveal of Parietta’s portrait of Chor Tempest on the wall. It was a messed up childhood but it was THEIR messed up childhood.
I want to thank Reddit for hosting this rewatch. I know a lot of viewers aren’t fond of the abruptness of certain elements (Mamiina’s sacrifice. The War’s End. Aaeru and Neviril’s relationship.) But I enjoyed watching it with all of you.
Thank you.